Curr Avon Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 All those posters calling for Pearson's removal, I ask you simply. What. Is. The. Point? As painful as it is, losing ineptly to a mid-table League 1 club, Pearson's position won't be under threat unless we're cast adrift in the relegation zone of the bread and butter, Championship. Better times lie ahead with our burgeoning Academy, but it will demand patience. We'll be safe come the end of this season and with more big earners cleared out, combined with savvy recruitment the club can build a tight knit squad to challenge in 2023/24. 11 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redrascal2 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Curr Avon said: All those posters calling for Pearson's removal, I ask you simply. What. Is. The. Point? As painful as it is, losing ineptly to a mid-table League 1 club, Pearson's position won't be under threat unless we're cast adrift in the relegation zone of the bread and butter, Championship. Better times lie ahead with our burgeoning Academy, but it will demand patience. We'll be safe come the end of this season and with more big earners cleared out, combined with savvy recruitment the club can build a tight knit squad to challenge in 2023/24. I think that is where we are heading. The calamitous defending that has typified most of the City teams he has selected , he seems incapable of stopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 "What's the point?".......exactly my thoughts after a 300 mile round trip to watch the dross that was served as "entertainment". 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: All those posters calling for Pearson's removal, I ask you simply. What. Is. The. Point? As painful as it is, losing ineptly to a mid-table League 1 club, Pearson's position won't be under threat unless we're cast adrift in the relegation zone of the bread and butter, Championship. Better times lie ahead with our burgeoning Academy, but it will demand patience. We'll be safe come the end of this season and with more big earners cleared out, combined with savvy recruitment the club can build a tight knit squad to challenge in 2023/24. I would say stick with him for now but don’t you think it would be nice to see a team that can defend a set piece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Curr Avon said: All those posters calling for Pearson's removal, I ask you simply. What. Is. The. Point? As painful as it is, losing ineptly to a mid-table League 1 club, Pearson's position won't be under threat unless we're cast adrift in the relegation zone of the bread and butter, Championship. Better times lie ahead with our burgeoning Academy, but it will demand patience. We'll be safe come the end of this season and with more big earners cleared out, combined with savvy recruitment the club can build a tight knit squad to challenge in 2023/24. You think safety this season is a foregone conclusion and that we we will challenge next season...?! Challenge for what...? League 1 mid-table obscurity....?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champfan45 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I don't know whether it's realistic to take for granted that the club will engage in savvy recruitment but I admire your optimism 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Curr Avon said: All those posters calling for Pearson's removal, I ask you simply. What. Is. The. Point? As painful as it is, losing ineptly to a mid-table League 1 club, Pearson's position won't be under threat unless we're cast adrift in the relegation zone of the bread and butter, Championship. Better times lie ahead with our burgeoning Academy, but it will demand patience. We'll be safe come the end of this season and with more big earners cleared out, combined with savvy recruitment the club can build a tight knit squad to challenge in 2023/24. Oh come on I've been hearing the we can rebuild and challenge next year bullshit every year since longer than I care to remember, and as for what is the point well why not? whatever the excuses that keep being trotted out if we carry on like this relegation looks a very likely scenario, personally I would at least like us to try something different it is broke and I would like us to at least try and fix it and before anyone inevitably says well who else I don't know who but surely there is somebody out there who could do better because they could hardly do much worse could they. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 6 hours ago, pillred said: Oh come on I've been hearing the we can rebuild and challenge next year bullshit every year since longer than I care to remember, and as for what is the point well why not? whatever the excuses that keep being trotted out if we carry on like this relegation looks a very likely scenario, personally I would at least like us to try something different it is broke and I would like us to at least try and fix it and before anyone inevitably says well who else I don't know who but surely there is somebody out there who could do better because they could hardly do much worse could they. Yep. And let's be honest, anyone decent who comes out our 'burgeoning academy' gets sold within 1-2 seasons, only for the money to be wasted 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbytheriver Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I love the optimism! But look at the table! We are sliding down the league quicker than shit off a shovel. We are officially now in a relegation battle. Can anyone seriously see us beating Watford! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I've been firm in the stance that we'll stay up as I believe our squad is simply too good not to. 2 wins in 12, and no teams really cast adrift via a points deduction or something, has me nervous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I’m a supporter of Pearson but don’t agree with the OP at all. If we were comprehensively beaten on Saturday then I think he’d be under huge pressure, especially as we then have a 4 week break to make a change if we wanted. Last night isn’t important in the scheme of things but as part of an indicative direction of travel it is going to be a factor if Saturday goes badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Copy n paste season after season - "clear out 'top earners' (talent) and wait for better success next year". Sleep. Repeat. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I’m a supporter of Pearson but don’t agree with the OP at all. If we were comprehensively beaten on Saturday then I think he’d be under huge pressure, especially as we then have a 4 week break to make a change if we wanted. Last night isn’t important in the scheme of things but as part of an indicative direction of travel it is going to be a factor if Saturday goes badly. The WC break and the Jan window approaching could be seen as a perfect opportunity to change the manager, if that's what we are considering. It doesn't make Pearson a good or bad manager, their job is very short stay on the whole. Football clubs are pretty unstable throughout regarding staff. It's just a case he might not be what we need now. I doubt he's enjoying life much either, but it's probably just a job for him. He has no real emotional attachment to the club that we all have. Yes he has worked under restrictions, but unlike some clubs he has talent at his disposal and has been allowed to recruit. Last night our more senior Pros let down the younger players, but it's deeper than last night. I don't think he gets the best out of his players often enough. Lastly. I understand how the financial mess has had long term negative impact on us. But as a fan I am getting increasingly bitter and frustrated on how it was allowed to happen, did no one ask questions. Did Ashton not have to answer to anyone? Shocking. Also I am totally fed up as a fan for being 'penalised' for this, none of this was our fault or doing and we can't have the football club we want due to past employees gross errors. Financially we have lost out on a potentially rewarding tie. Gates have been fairly decent this season. What happens if they start falling off a cliff. Granted ST sells have propped things up, but things could still be worse financially, especially if going to a match becomes even more of a choice. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slippin cider Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 9 hours ago, Curr Avon said: We'll be safe come the end of this season and with more big earners cleared out, combined with savvy recruitment the club can build a tight knit squad to challenge in 2023/24. I’ve pretty much heard the same thing for a few seasons now …and what’s changed? … 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 10 hours ago, Curr Avon said: We'll be safe come the end of this season I’m sorry what are you basing this on exactly? West Brom won’t be relegated. They will sort it out. We’re in VERY big danger of getting relegated. We’ve been dragged right in to it, which is no surprise. I’d say it’s very much 50/50 for us now, so please stop with this foolish “we’ll be safe” because it’s a load of old shit, much like the current team from staff to players. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazelboy Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 10 hours ago, Curr Avon said: All those posters calling for Pearson's removal, I ask you simply. What. Is. The. Point? As painful as it is, losing ineptly to a mid-table League 1 club, Pearson's position won't be under threat unless we're cast adrift in the relegation zone of the bread and butter, Championship. Better times lie ahead with our burgeoning Academy, but it will demand patience. We'll be safe come the end of this season and with more big earners cleared out, combined with savvy recruitment the club can build a tight knit squad to challenge in 2023/24. Genuine Question, Is this something you would trust him with? I'm not sure i would, do you honestly think the signings hes made have been good? Im not giving him Baker & Weimann as they didn't actually leave the club. Naismith - has gotten much better since hes been out of the side and cost a lot of points when playing, better in the attacking sense than defending. Atkinson - looks to be a good player at times but goes through pretty poor patches Wilson - Wasn't given a sniff before his injury Tanner - Looked ok in patches, another who got a lot better the less he played!! Klose - Legs have completely gone Sykes - Looks exactly what he is, a free signing from league 1! James - His best signing by a distance King - Being polite, very poor especially as a 'leader' Bajic - For the future, can't judge The club has a massive decision to make and quickly. If they back Pearson they have to extend his contract beyond the end of next season. This summer is the perfect opportunity to reset and build again, you need somebody in charge who is in for the long term project. Where is the sense in allowing him to reshape the squad how he'd like, if he or the club don't see him here after that season, for a new manager to come in and be stuck with Pearsons squad, with players all on 2/3 year contracts, completely counter productive. If they don't see him being in place after next season, pull the plug now get the new guy in during the 4 week break, mini preseason so he can assess what he likes/ doesn't, ready for the big clear out in the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Slippin cider said: I’ve pretty much heard the same thing for a few seasons now …and what’s changed? … Because for one, FFP still overhangs us majorly, a £28m loss last year (how??) and I'm actually surprised that we seem to be likely to avoid sanctions in all honesty. A lot of the high earners still in contract, we literally have to try to work through with what we have as it stands. This season, look at who is out of contract... Bentley Kalas DaSilva Wells Martin To name 5, there are many more as well but these are some of our most expensive players. Think 14 might be out of contract in total. Edited November 9, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 10 hours ago, Curr Avon said: All those posters calling for Pearson's removal, I ask you simply. What. Is. The. Point? As painful as it is, losing ineptly to a mid-table League 1 club, Pearson's position won't be under threat unless we're cast adrift in the relegation zone of the bread and butter, Championship. Better times lie ahead with our burgeoning Academy, but it will demand patience. We'll be safe come the end of this season and with more big earners cleared out, combined with savvy recruitment the club can build a tight knit squad to challenge in 2023/24. Remember to state your views on the Pod Mark I applaud you for eventually doing so a couple back when you politely put the interrupter back in his box , and continued with your point 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 9 hours ago, RedM said: Lastly. I understand how the financial mess has had long term negative impact on us. But as a fan I am getting increasingly bitter and frustrated on how it was allowed to happen, did no one ask questions. Did Ashton not have to answer to anyone? Shocking. Also I am totally fed up as a fan for being 'penalised' for this, none of this was our fault or doing and we can't have the football club we want due to past employees gross errors. Also a huge gripe of mine. SL - how’s it going Jon? JL - Mark says it’s going great SL - great, you’re doing well Jon i joke, but I’m staggered an accountant couldn’t see the mess / mess building up. 8 hours ago, Hazelboy said: Naismith - has gotten much better since hes been out of the side and cost a lot of points when playing, better in the attacking sense than defending. Are you saying you think we’ve been better since he’s been out? Or am I misreading it? I couldn’t disagree more. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Notgetinya Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 I like Nige, I’d keep him for now, I think. The problem is I want to see steady progress year on year…..and there in lies the problem. If we slip in to the bottom three Saturday evening maybe the time has come to accept it’s not working. I’m torn on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellspokenman Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Good evening chaps, my word don’t emotions run high this evening… A little bit of perspective one thinks… If, and it is a big if, Nigel were to leave, do you really think things would improve ? Really ? Better the devil you know at this point in time. We have a reasonable first 11, and a poor subs bench. Not Nigel’s fault, not in the least. The blame goes far higher up the management scale I’m afraid. After 12 games the situation may look terrible, but I believe in Mr P. If anyone can, he can…well let’s hope so anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazelboy Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Are you saying you think we’ve been better since he’s been out? Or am I misreading it? I couldn’t disagree more. No, not at all. I just think, similar to Tanner last season, that as he’s out of the team people are thinking he’s way better than he is. People were begging for him to be dropped before he was injured because of his persistent errors, now these same people are acting as though he’s Rio Ferdinand! Thats not to say he’s not been missed, in my opinion he has, but the defence was still shit with him in it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BasSavage88 Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 20 hours ago, Curr Avon said: All those posters calling for Pearson's removal, I ask you simply. What. Is. The. Point? As painful as it is, losing ineptly to a mid-table League 1 club, Pearson's position won't be under threat unless we're cast adrift in the relegation zone of the bread and butter, Championship. Better times lie ahead with our burgeoning Academy, but it will demand patience. We'll be safe come the end of this season and with more big earners cleared out, combined with savvy recruitment the club can build a tight knit squad to challenge in 2023/24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 10 minutes ago, Hazelboy said: No, not at all. I just think, similar to Tanner last season, that as he’s out of the team people are thinking he’s way better than he is. People were begging for him to be dropped before he was injured because of his persistent errors, now these same people are acting as though he’s Rio Ferdinand! Thats not to say he’s not been missed, in my opinion he has, but the defence was still shit with him in it! There were errors but data would be interesting to see. Clearly stats aren't all, but the intangible of the extra attacking threat (in mindset not numbers as such) for us, which in turn gives the opposition something to think about can't be understated IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 12 hours ago, AshtonGreat said: Yep. And let's be honest, anyone decent who comes out our 'burgeoning academy' gets sold within 1-2 seasons, only for the money to be wasted Such as? Last time I checked we still have Semenyo, Scott, Conway, Vyner, O’Leary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dredd said: Such as? Last time I checked we still have Semenyo, Scott, Conway, Vyner, O’Leary Pring too was our academy wasn't he? Benarous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 28 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: There were errors but data would be interesting to see. Clearly stats aren't all, but the intangible of the extra attacking threat (in mindset not numbers as such) for us, which in turn gives the opposition something to think about can't be understated IMO. Where has this myth that Naismith gave us an "extra attacking threat" come from? He doesn't come forward like Atkinson and his long passing is just average. He can pass short (though tends to prefer a Cruyff turn on the edge of the penalty box giving away goals) just like Klose.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 11 hours ago, Slippin cider said: I’ve pretty much heard the same thing for a few seasons now …and what’s changed? … Ha ha....I've heard the same thing for about 50 years! All that changes is the manager! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 55 minutes ago, Dredd said: Such as? Last time I checked we still have Semenyo, Scott, Conway, Vyner, O’Leary For now. Do you honestly see most of those being here come next summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 (edited) Well one baseline stat pertaining to Naismith is...League games only. 11.30 shots per game when he is on the pitch. 9.06 shots per game when he is off the pitch. Up to and including 1st half Coventry at home for period 1, from 2nd half Coventry at home to present for period 2. He just gives us that extra thrust, dimension IMO. Edited November 9, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Wellspokenman said: Good evening chaps, my word don’t emotions run high this evening… A little bit of perspective one thinks… If, and it is a big if, Nigel were to leave, do you really think things would improve ? Really ? Better the devil you know at this point in time. We have a reasonable first 11, and a poor subs bench. Not Nigel’s fault, not in the least. The blame goes far higher up the management scale I’m afraid. After 12 games the situation may look terrible, but I believe in Mr P. If anyone can, he can…well let’s hope so anyway this table should be a wake up call for all including SL time to roll the tombola Steve you must get lucky soon; doing nothing could well prove even more expensive. and while what ifs are around what if they across town do indeed swap places with us ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Hazelboy said: No, not at all. I just think, similar to Tanner last season, that as he’s out of the team people are thinking he’s way better than he is. People were begging for him to be dropped before he was injured because of his persistent errors, now these same people are acting as though he’s Rio Ferdinand! Thats not to say he’s not been missed, in my opinion he has, but the defence was still shit with him in it! Ta, got you 1 hour ago, Chivs said: Where has this myth that Naismith gave us an "extra attacking threat" come from? He doesn't come forward like Atkinson and his long passing is just average. He can pass short (though tends to prefer a Cruyff turn on the edge of the penalty box giving away goals) just like Klose.... Quite simple, he enables our midfielders to place facing forward, or at least on the half turn, by being able to pass through the opposition press / block. Without him we have to play square and around the outside….and as our WBs can’t cross, it all becomes a problem. That’s the basic answer anyway. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champfan45 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 On 09/11/2022 at 15:31, Chivs said: Where has this myth that Naismith gave us an "extra attacking threat" come from? He doesn't come forward like Atkinson and his long passing is just average. He can pass short (though tends to prefer a Cruyff turn on the edge of the penalty box giving away goals) just like Klose.... I think he's got a good delivery on set pieces but I agree he's too blase at times in possession Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 10 minutes ago, Champfan45 said: I think he's got a good delivery on set pieces but I agree he's too blase at times in possession Surely that can be coached out of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Just had a look at championship "super computer" on some site as of 3rd Nov we have a 2% chance of going up this season and 18% of going down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 I suppose the point is we want to see obvious progress on the pitch. Yes, we have all the infrastructure, the coaching team, recruitment network etc etc but a modicum of consistency in our results wouldn’t go amiss? It’s not that we lost to Lincoln in isolation. It’s that we can’t string together a run of form to inspire any great confidence in the team. Ashton Gate, whilst historically always on the quieter side, really is like a library these days and for me that comes down to the total apathy with which fans regard this squad. Since we are financially hamstrung and unable to recruit big in January, it then becomes a discussion around whether another manager/head coach could extract more from these players on the pitch - and for me, I now sadly believe that someone else could get better performances out of the team than NP and his team are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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