Minutes silence

[A Horse With No Name]

Was it just me or did we mess up again. The announcer clearly said the bugler would play the Last Post, then it would be followed by a minutes silence which would be ended by the referees whistle. That's how it's done.

What we do, and have done in previous years is, as soon as the Last Post finishes a loud roar goes up instead of the silence. The referee blew his whistle immediately but it was just wrong. Just a small thing but needs pointing out because technically we never gave the minutes silence.

[The Gasbuster]

It seemed like the Watford fans started cheering & clapping before the  silence had started, then the rest of the ground joined in ?

[italian dave]

We do seem to struggle with it.

They did it with the last post at Middlesbrough last week and it all worked fine and was very respectfully observed. 

[Rudolf Hucker]

3 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said:

It seemed like the Watford fans started cheering & clapping before the  silence had started, then the rest of the ground joined in ?

Exactly this. 

[Aipearcey]

Yep, it’s at least the second time it’s happened too. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but personally think it’s incredibly disrespectful that people can’t manage it. It was very clearly explained what would happen.

[Rossi the Robin]

The announcer said it would be a moment of silence, and that it was 

[Dr Balls]

Definitely Watford fans started clapping after the Last Post finished and then it seemed large sections of the rest of crowd joined in and the ref decided to blow his whistle.

That said it did seem to be the longest version of the Last Post I have ever heard…

[Robbored]

4 minutes ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

Was it just me or did we mess up again. The announcer clearly said the bugler would play the Last Post, then it would be followed by a minutes silence which would be ended by the referees whistle. That's how it's done.

What we do, and have done in previous years is, as soon as the Last Post finishes a loud roar goes up instead of the silence. The referee blew his whistle immediately but it was just wrong. Just a small thing but needs pointing out because technically we never gave the minutes silence.

I get what your point but I thought the silence was impeccably observed. My father never wanted to listen to the Last Post because of his wartime experiences but even he would have chuckled when the bugler played a wrong note.

Today there was over 21k in AG and it’s worth remembering that the same amount of British troops were killed on the first day of the Somme - the worse amount of casualties in British military history. Such a tragic loss of a generation of men. Personally I find it very poignant. 

[italian dave]

2 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

The announcer said it would be a moment of silence, and that it was 

He said that (after the last post) there would be a minutes silence, to be ended by the referees whistle. 

[italian dave]

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

I get what your point but I thought the silence was impeccably observed. My father never wanted to listen to the Last Post because of his wartime experiences but even he would have chuckled when the bugler played a wrong note.

Today there was over 21k in AG and it’s worth remembering that the same amount of British troops were killed on the first day of the Somme - the worse amount of casualties in British military history. Such a tragic loss of a generation of men. Personally I find it very poignant. 

There wasn’t a silence though, was there? 

[Robbored]

2 minutes ago, italian dave said:

There wasn’t a silence though, was there? 

Yes there was - at the beginning. That’s what the OP was on about.

[A Horse With No Name]

Just now, Robbored said:

Yes there was - at the beginning. That’s what the OP was on about.

No, there wasn't a minutes silence at all, when there should have been.

[italian dave]

2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Yes there was - at the beginning. That’s what the OP was on about.

At the beginning of what? As I recall it, the announcer explained what would happen, we had the last post, then everyone started clapping. 

[Robbored]

Just now, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

No, there wasn't a minutes silence at all, when there should have been.

I guess you weren’t there then…………. It was a goalless draw in case you wondered.

[New Dazzler]

I am pretty sure the announcer said  there would be "a period of silence which will be ended by the Referee's whistle" which was actually what happened, although the "period of silence" only lasted about 2 seconds.  I distinctly remember the "period of silence" being stated as I thought that it was unusual, as I am sure that I had read somewhere (the OS?) that there would be one minute's silence.

Edited November 12, 2022 by New Dazzler

[freezer]

25 minutes ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

Was it just me or did we mess up again. The announcer clearly said the bugler would play the Last Post, then it would be followed by a minutes silence which would be ended by the referees whistle. That's how it's done.

What we do, and have done in previous years is, as soon as the Last Post finishes a loud roar goes up instead of the silence. The referee blew his whistle immediately but it was just wrong. Just a small thing but needs pointing out because technically we never gave the minutes silence.

Indeed. The announcer stated what would or rather should happen, however, its football fans, not the brightest bunch generally. 

Pity really, even though it sounded like a cracking atmosphere during the game, the opportunity was there to show due respect. 

[italian dave]

7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I guess you weren’t there then…………. It was a goalless draw in case you wondered.

If you were there and thought there was a minutes silence then I’m beginning to think the problems you have with the PA are perhaps less to do with the PA system itself than I’d thought! 

[Robbored]

It was carried out in the wrong order. The silence should come last. Whoever planed it, messed up. In many previous seasons on Remembrance Day I don’t remember it being organised as it was today. 

Nonetheless the occasion was acknowledged - that’s the most important thing.

[Super]

14 minutes ago, New Dazzler said:

I am pretty sure the announcer said  there would be "a period of silence which will be ended by the Referee's whistle" which was actually what happened, although the "period of silence" only lasted about 2 seconds.  I distinctly remember the "period of silence" being stated as I thought that it was unusual, as I am sure that I had read somewhere (the OS?) that there would be one minute's silence.

Same at Wolves game tonight.

[italian dave]

3 minutes ago, Robbored said:

It was carried out in the wrong order. The silence should come last. Whoever planed it, messed up. In many previous seasons on Remembrance Day I don’t remember it being organised as it was today. 

Nonetheless the occasion was acknowledged - that’s the most important thing.

I think that’s exactly the point being made. We were told the silence would come last. What happened was about two seconds of silence while the bugler prepared to play, the the last post, then instead of the proper minutes silence everyone started clapping.

But yes you’re right: it was acknowledged and it wasn’t deliberate and that’s the important thing. 

[A Horse With No Name]

6 minutes ago, Robbored said:

It was carried out in the wrong order. The silence should come last. Whoever planed it, messed up. In many previous seasons on Remembrance Day I don’t remember it being organised as it was today. 

Nonetheless the occasion was acknowledged - that’s the most important thing.

Its always,always The Last Post followed by silence.

[Robbored]

2 minutes ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

Its always,always The Last Post followed by silence.

Correct. As I posted just now - whoever organised it, messed up.

[A Horse With No Name]

1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Correct. As I posted just now - whoever organised it, messed up.

Don't get where you are coming from. It was organised that way and announced as such. Just didn't happen, nor was there a silence before the Last Post. Or are you deliberately being argumentative? 

[Robbored]

5 minutes ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

Don't get where you are coming from. It was organised that way and announced as such. Just didn't happen, nor was there a silence before the Last Post. Or are you deliberately being argumentative? 

Jeez…………

It doesn’t really matter in the way Remembrance was organised. The important factor is that it was acknowledged. Let’s leave it there.

[italian dave]

17 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Correct. As I posted just now - whoever organised it, messed up.

Whoever organised it didn’t mess up. They organised it exactly as it should have been.

It was us, the crowd, that messed up. 

[BTRFTG]

50 minutes ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

Was it just me or did we mess up again. The announcer clearly said the bugler would play the Last Post, then it would be followed by a minutes silence which would be ended by the referees whistle. That's how it's done.

What we do, and have done in previous years is, as soon as the Last Post finishes a loud roar goes up instead of the silence. The referee blew his whistle immediately but it was just wrong. Just a small thing but needs pointing out because technically we never gave the minutes silence.

Its not a small thing for many of us. It's yet another example of the ill-educated F'Wits who follow City. Those so stupid as to be unable to show respect by following a simple instruction.

Both sets of players and the officials breaking ranks when they should have stood firm was equally disrespectful.

The instruction broadcast was clear. Following The Last Post there was to be a quiet period of reflection during which the names of City personnel who'd paid the ultimate sacrifice would be displayed on the big screen, the reflection ending on the referee's whistle. Not difficult to follow.

[Midred]

Didn't they used to start the silence after the ref's whistle and when he whistled again that was the minutes silence over?

[Rocking Red Cyril]

Bus was late so missed it 

[A Horse With No Name]

4 minutes ago, Midred said:

Didn't they used to start the silence after the ref's whistle and when he whistled again that was the minutes silence over?

For the death of a person , yes. Not on Remembrance Day .

[Rossi the Robin]

1 hour ago, italian dave said:

He said that (after the last post) there would be a minutes silence, to be ended by the referees whistle. 

He didn’t say minute, I remember clearly as I thought they normally say minute. It was literally a moment as everyone started clapping and cheering. Sorry for any misunderstanding 

Edited November 12, 2022 by Rossi the Robin

[BS15_RED]

28 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Its not a small thing for many of us. It's yet another example of the ill-educated F'Wits who follow City. Those so stupid as to be unable to show respect by following a simple instruction.

Both sets of players and the officials breaking ranks when they should have stood firm was equally disrespectful.

The instruction broadcast was clear. Following The Last Post there was to be a quiet period of reflection during which the names of City personnel who'd paid the ultimate sacrifice would be displayed on the big screen, the reflection ending on the referee's whistle. Not difficult to follow.

To be fair, the initial noise I heard came from the Watford end, there was a response from our lot, but it was to tell them to shut up. It’s a shame that a very small minority ruined it. 

[italian dave]

16 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

He didn’t say minute, I remember clearly as I thought they normally say minute. It was literally a moment as everyone started clapping and cheering. Sorry for any misunderstanding 

Minute, moment, there was clearly supposed to be a period of silence. And as @BTRFTG has pointed out, a period long enough for the City personnel who’d sacrificed their lives to be recognised . It didn’t happen. There was no silence of any description after the last post. 
I don’t think it was deliberate, but it really didn’t seem that difficult to understand. 

[RedLionLad]

12 minutes ago, BS15_RED said:

To be fair, the initial noise I heard came from the Watford end, there was a response from our lot, but it was to tell them to shut up. It’s a shame that a very small minority ruined it. 

I think that was fans that were still in the concourse

 

[Rossi the Robin]

8 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Minute, moment, there was clearly supposed to be a period of silence. And as @BTRFTG has pointed out, a period long enough for the City personnel who’d sacrificed their lives to be recognised . It didn’t happen. There was no silence of any description after the last post. 
I don’t think it was deliberate, but it really didn’t seem that difficult to understand. 

It was nice to see the military personnel getting a standing ovation when they left the pitch by the SS / Lansdown corner - I think they appreciated it. I didn’t realise the game had started 

[BTRFTG]

4 minutes ago, BS15_RED said:

To be fair, the initial noise I heard came from the Watford end, there was a response from our lot, but it was to tell them to shut up. It’s a shame that a very small minority ruined it. 

Matters not who started it. Its personal responsibility and shouting at others to maintain silence is equally as disrespectful. You don't do it. From where I was it was far from a small minority.

As if that wasn't bad enough we then witnessed the disgraceful scenes of so-called supporters cheering, chanting, shouting and mocking at sight of a professional footballer who'd clearly suffered a serious injury. When Gosling went down, from his position on the park in relation to other players, from his anguished cry, his dropping like a stone, his immediately imploring assistance from his bench and his obvious anger when that didn't arrive immediately, it was evident to anybody who'd ever watched football he'd suffered a serious injury. How respectful then to berate him, to cheer the signal for a stretcher and its arrival. "Cry in a minute, he's going to....." Do you really have to be taught such behaviour is abhorrent and disrespectful? The F'wits will backtrack claiming they wouldn't have so acted had they realised he'd ruptured his achilles and couldn't stand. But they did, because they do. Its their nature as that's the type of folks they are. 

[BS15_RED]

14 minutes ago, BTRFTG said:

Matters not who started it. Its personal responsibility and shouting at others to maintain silence is equally as disrespectful. You don't do it. From where I was it was far from a small minority.

As if that wasn't bad enough we then witnessed the disgraceful scenes of so-called supporters cheering, chanting, shouting and mocking at sight of a professional footballer who'd clearly suffered a serious injury. When Gosling went down, from his position on the park in relation to other players, from his anguished cry, his dropping like a stone, his immediately imploring assistance from his bench and his obvious anger when that didn't arrive immediately, it was evident to anybody who'd ever watched football he'd suffered a serious injury. How respectful then to berate him, to cheer the signal for a stretcher and its arrival. "Cry in a minute, he's going to....." Do you really have to be taught such behaviour is abhorrent and disrespectful? The F'wits will backtrack claiming they wouldn't have so acted had they realised he'd ruptured his achilles and couldn't stand. But they did, because they do. Its their nature as that's the type of folks they are. 

I agree with all you’re saying mate, sadly I think this a problem with society in general, especially the younger generation.

[In the Net]

59 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said:

He didn’t say minute, I remember clearly as I thought they normally say minute. It was literally a moment as everyone started clapping and cheering. Sorry for any misunderstanding 

The first time I heard they say "moment" instead of "minute" was the match involving Liverpool, following the death of the Queen.  There could then be no criticism if they did not maintain silence for the whole minute.

Wouldn't have thought that "moment" would need to be used at AG.  Seems quite a few teams did the applause by mistake, it's still done as a mark of respect and appreciation for those who did not return, that's the important thing. 

[Rebounder]

41 minutes ago, BS15_RED said:

I agree with all you’re saying mate, sadly I think this a problem with society in general, especially the younger generation.

Yeah the 80's were a time of civility in Foootball Grounds.

[W-S-M Seagull]

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

Matters not who started it. Its personal responsibility and shouting at others to maintain silence is equally as disrespectful. You don't do it. From where I was it was far from a small minority.

As if that wasn't bad enough we then witnessed the disgraceful scenes of so-called supporters cheering, chanting, shouting and mocking at sight of a professional footballer who'd clearly suffered a serious injury. When Gosling went down, from his position on the park in relation to other players, from his anguished cry, his dropping like a stone, his immediately imploring assistance from his bench and his obvious anger when that didn't arrive immediately, it was evident to anybody who'd ever watched football he'd suffered a serious injury. How respectful then to berate him, to cheer the signal for a stretcher and its arrival. "Cry in a minute, he's going to....." Do you really have to be taught such behaviour is abhorrent and disrespectful? The F'wits will backtrack claiming they wouldn't have so acted had they realised he'd ruptured his achilles and couldn't stand. But they did, because they do. Its their nature as that's the type of folks they are. 

Tbf, the way he went down, from the SS looked rather comical. Maybe had his team not of been wasting time prior to that then he may have been taken more seriously. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

Next time just clearly put it on the screens that a moments silence or whatever is about to begin. Sorted. 

[Leveller]

3 hours ago, Robbored said:

I guess you weren’t there then…………. It was a goalless draw in case you wondered.

I think you must have nodded off. Again.

[TV Tom]

7 hours ago, Robbored said:

Correct. As I posted just now - whoever organised it, messed up.

Whoever organised it didn’t mess up it was some thick fans that couldn’t understand English 

[Redinthehead]

6 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Tbf, the way he went down, from the SS looked rather comical. Maybe had his team not of been wasting time prior to that then he may have been taken more seriously. 

To boo to start with in that instance - fair enough. To continue to give him stick when he’s on a stretcher - pathetic. Regardless of whether the rest of the team had been timewasting.

[italian dave]

7 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Tbf, the way he went down, from the SS looked rather comical. Maybe had his team not of been wasting time prior to that then he may have been taken more seriously. 

Stop trying. It was inexcusable. 

[phantom]

11 hours ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

Was it just me or did we mess up again. The announcer clearly said the bugler would play the Last Post, then it would be followed by a minutes silence which would be ended by the referees whistle. That's how it's done.

I'm pretty sure that's how it is done at official events, but there's protocol that other moments of silence finish with ravelle (not sure how to spell it) but local events should have the period of silence and then end with the last post playing 

 

Either way the club messed it up 

[phantom]

9 hours ago, BTRFTG said:

Matters not who started it. Its personal responsibility and shouting at others to maintain silence is equally as disrespectful. You don't do it. From where I was it was far from a small minority.

As if that wasn't bad enough we then witnessed the disgraceful scenes of so-called supporters cheering, chanting, shouting and mocking at sight of a professional footballer who'd clearly suffered a serious injury. When Gosling went down, from his position on the park in relation to other players, from his anguished cry, his dropping like a stone, his immediately imploring assistance from his bench and his obvious anger when that didn't arrive immediately, it was evident to anybody who'd ever watched football he'd suffered a serious injury. How respectful then to berate him, to cheer the signal for a stretcher and its arrival. "Cry in a minute, he's going to....." Do you really have to be taught such behaviour is abhorrent and disrespectful? The F'wits will backtrack claiming they wouldn't have so acted had they realised he'd ruptured his achilles and couldn't stand. But they did, because they do. Its their nature as that's the type of folks they are. 

He wouldn't be the first or the last player to be OK though

I forget who it was a couple of seasons ago, went down exactly as you described, stretchered off in agony. But as soon as he got to the touchline he made a miraculous recovery 

THAT'S why he got that reception 

[italian dave]

5 minutes ago, phantom said:

He wouldn't be the first or the last player to be OK though

I forget who it was a couple of seasons ago, went down exactly as you described, stretchered off in agony. But as soon as he got to the touchline he made a miraculous recovery 

THAT'S why he got that reception 

Is it something about Weston S Mare?

That’s no excuse and we shouldn’t be trying to make them.

”A couple of seasons ago” blah blah……Thirty minutes before we’d paid tribute to a player whose career had been cut tragically short by injury. 

[lenred]

16 minutes ago, phantom said:

He wouldn't be the first or the last player to be OK though

I forget who it was a couple of seasons ago, went down exactly as you described, stretchered off in agony. But as soon as he got to the touchline he made a miraculous recovery 

THAT'S why he got that reception 

Greg Halford for Rotherham under Colin.   I get angry on a fairly regular basis at the football but that was the most rage inducing incident I’ve ever witnessed.  How he got away with it I’ll never know! 
 

Yesterday was very very different though.   Context is everything.   There was absolutely no reason for Gosling to time waste and he was very clearly seriously hurt.  

[Aipearcey]

17 minutes ago, lenred said:

Greg Halford for Rotherham under Colin.   I get angry on a fairly regular basis at the football but that was the most rage inducing incident I’ve ever witnessed.  How he got away with it I’ll never know! 
 

Yesterday was very very different though.   Context is everything.   There was absolutely no reason for Gosling to time waste and he was very clearly seriously hurt.  

Same, they didn’t even have a sub warming up even those they still had subs remaining.

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 minute ago, Aipearcey said:

Same, they didn’t even have a sub warming up even those they still had subs remaining.

IIRC none of his teammates showed the slightest concern for him either.

Cheating of the highest order from the master of the dark arts.

[ralphindevon]

It’s almost like the fans need an announcement at every stage or they mess it up.

I must admit I don’t blame the ref for just blowing his whistle and getting on with it, there was no way a moments silence was about to happen any time soon and then it just gets awkward.

At least it was quiet for the bugler. 

[Red-Robbo]

Watford were indeed the ones who started to clap when it was meant to be silent, and they were the section that had some nondies singing and chanting during the chaplain's reading and the Last Post. Admittedly, lots of other Watford fans shushed the idiots.

I'm glad to say that AFAICS City fans observed the remembrance impeccably. 

[westred1]

The same happened at Twickenham yesterday. I’m sure it happened at a lot of sporting venues. 

[Rossi the Robin]

I just watched the Burnley v Blackburn tribute and the Last Post was at the end. The period of silence was first - maybe this was clapped over yesterday, not sure 

[Barkhamred]

1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

Watford were indeed the ones who started to clap when it was meant to be silent, and they were the section that had some nondies singing and chanting during the chaplain's reading and the Last Post. Admittedly, lots of other Watford fans shushed the idiots.

I'm glad to say that AFAICS City fans observed the remembrance impeccably. 

I said at the time that I thought that once Watford started to clap the ref realized that it would not be possible for the period of silence to be observed so decided to blow the whistle early. 

[Red-Robbo]

5 minutes ago, Barkhamred said:

I said at the time that I thought that once Watford started to clap the ref realized that it would not be possible for the period of silence to be observed so decided to blow the whistle early. 

 

We got about 1 second of silent reflection 

[BTRFTG]

6 hours ago, phantom said:

He wouldn't be the first or the last player to be OK though

I forget who it was a couple of seasons ago, went down exactly as you described, stretchered off in agony. But as soon as he got to the touchline he made a miraculous recovery 

THAT'S why he got that reception 

No. He got that reception because far too many of our so-called supporters are ill-educated, lowlife F'wits. I don't recall anybody going off on a stretcher at AG to make such recovery but assuming one once did so I suppose you'd consider it OK to abuse all future opposition players seriously injured on the field on the basis they might be play-acting?

[TedsHeadIs Red]

On 12/11/2022 at 23:14, BS15_RED said:

I agree with all you’re saying mate, sadly I think this a problem with society in general, especially the younger generation.

There were probably old men in Ancient Greece saying the same thing. 
Always the young ‘uns to blame. 

[The Bard]

 

On 12/11/2022 at 22:06, BTRFTG said:

Its not a small thing for many of us. It's yet another example of the ill-educated F'Wits who follow City. Those so stupid as to be unable to show respect by following a simple instruction.

Both sets of players and the officials breaking ranks when they should have stood firm was equally disrespectful.

The instruction broadcast was clear. Following The Last Post there was to be a quiet period of reflection during which the names of City personnel who'd paid the ultimate sacrifice would be displayed on the big screen, the reflection ending on the referee's whistle. Not difficult to follow.

Ill-educated ******** who sing God save the Queen, sticking a line in it about 'No Surrender' without having a scooby what that is referring to. 

[sh1t_ref_again]

In fairness he did say several times a minutes silence with follow the last post, perhaps could have put this up on the screens. The ref and the players clearly knew what was planned, so they should have stood firm, only then needed an announcement to repeat we will now hold a minutes silence, when the names of city players who lost their lives will be displayed.

[Nuno Gomes]

I think the explanation lies in the Watford forum:   
Including the silence for the fallen. Announcer: "After the reading, and the last post will be played followed by a period of silence for us to reflect which will end on the referee's whistle."
A few Watford fans who hadn't finished their beers: "Luton get battered..." "shhhhhhhhh!!..."
"They will not grow old..."
Last post plays.
Before the the last note is finished, oaf in Watford end, top of voice: "Come on you Golden Boys!"
People have to start clapping to cover the shame. What a ******* ******, whoever you are.