Lee Johnson

[italian dave]

27 minutes ago, NickJ said:

 No

And @CodeRed ….### me , you’ve both had a miserable time following City for years, haven’t you?

Like I said, personally, I enjoyed much of his tenure - less so the last year or so - but there you go. 

[Son of Fred]

6 minutes ago, italian dave said:

And @CodeRed ….### me , you’ve both had a miserable time following City for years, haven’t you?

Like I said, personally, I enjoyed much of his tenure - less so the last year or so - but there you go. 

Yes, the LJ rollercoaster -

It's fun for a while,,has its ups,,but if you stay on too long you get kinda queasy..

Edited January 6, 2023 by Son of Fred

[italian dave]

5 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

Yes, the LJ rollercoaster -

It's fun for a while,,has its ups,,but if you stay on too long you get kinda queasy..

Sums it up!

I guess 90% of management careers end in failure one way or the other. So at least getting some ups along the way is a bonus! 

[CodeRed]

6 minutes ago, italian dave said:

And @CodeRed ….### me , you’ve both had a miserable time following City for years, haven’t you?

Like I said, personally, I enjoyed much of his tenure - less so the last year or so - but there you go. 

Frustrating rather than miserable!  4 wasted years where he didn't move the club forward, a mistake by SL to bring him in without any credentials whatsoever to manage a Championship club, and a mistake to keep him in post when he clearly wasn't delivering the objective. A mistake to throw money at him. A mistake to give him an extended contract when he was clearly struggling ( after the "streak"). A mistake that has meant the next manager has had his hands tied. 

 

[Alessandro]

@italian dave - Having watched City go up and down the 2nd/3rd tier a few times and the odd Windscreens shield success - in my 30 odd years of supporting City - the league cup run and specifically the win vs. Man Utd was  (sadly) a top 1 or 2 lifetime highlight. Probably the only time I’ve cried at a City match.

You can draw positives and negatives from most managers’ times here - but frankly if you’re a pathetic fan so blinded by hatred of the manager that you couldn’t enjoy that night, one of the best in our recent history, you’ve got to feel very sorry for them and ask, why bother?

[CodeRed]

1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

 He won a Scottish League Cup winners medal.
 

 

Scottish League Cup ?

 

That like putting on your CV that you won the egg and spoon race at primary school!

[CodeRed]

11 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

@italian dave - Having watched City go up and down the 2nd/3rd tier a few times and the odd Windscreens shield success - in my 30 odd years of supporting City - the league cup run and specifically the win vs. Man Utd was  (sadly) a top 1 or 2 lifetime highlight. Probably the only time I’ve cried at a City match.

You can draw positives and negatives from most managers’ times here - but frankly if you’re a pathetic fan so blinded by hatred of the manager that you couldn’t enjoy that night, one of the best in our recent history, you’ve got to feel very sorry for them and ask, why bother?

I enjoyed the Man U win, as we all did, but on the scales that night versus £55 Million spent, 74 players signed, and leaving the club in such a state that it's taking years to recover.......the bad grossly outweighs the good 

[alexukhc]

Ivan Lucic remember him

[FNQ]

38 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

@italian dave - Having watched City go up and down the 2nd/3rd tier a few times and the odd Windscreens shield success - in my 30 odd years of supporting City - the league cup run and specifically the win vs. Man Utd was  (sadly) a top 1 or 2 lifetime highlight. Probably the only time I’ve cried at a City match.

You can draw positives and negatives from most managers’ times here - but frankly if you’re a pathetic fan so blinded by hatred of the manager that you couldn’t enjoy that night, one of the best in our recent history, you’ve got to feel very sorry for them and ask, why bother?

Wow.. the only time you’ve cried at a City match.. I do it frequently albeit watching from afar, Birmingham away this season I was inconsolable for days.. 

[REDOXO]

35 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

Scottish League Cup ?

 

That like putting on your CV that you won the egg and spoon race at primary school!

That must have been a hell of a primary school you went to! 
 

Of the promotion team and since, how many, if any, have won more?  Serious question. I don’t have time to look. 

Edited January 6, 2023 by REDOXO

[The Constant Rabbit]

How LJ managed to get Djuric and Magnússon to city - and then proceed to get them to regress was beyond me.

The same guys have gone on to have really decent solid careers. 

 

Baffling.

[Alessandro]

1 hour ago, CodeRed said:

I enjoyed the Man U win, as we all did, but on the scales that night versus £55 Million spent, 74 players signed, and leaving the club in such a state that it's taking years to recover.......the bad grossly outweighs the good 

That wasn't the discussion but anyway while what you write is mostly 'correct' - I think we all know it's oversimplifying the situation a bit. We've done the money and transfers to death (money spent vs money received/Ashton/agents/SL etc etc) - I'm not denying his blame, but I can also step back and acknowledge:

a) it's a share of blame - SL, MA also take blame IMO for transfers and strategies.

b) Yes we are financially in the shit, but that is not LJ's fault. MA and SL signed on the dotted lines. They pushed the budgets. They knew the FFP implications. They appointed Holden who set us back further. 

IMO on the whole LJ had us fighting at the right end of the table but my biggest criticism was he should have gone sooner and the scattergun transfer policy that bloated the squad and ended up with us losing our way on the pitch - again, as more info comes to light over transfers, that is something MA and SL have questions to answer perhaps more so than LJ.

[CodeRed]

5 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

That wasn't the discussion but anyway while what you write is mostly 'correct' - I think we all know it's oversimplifying the situation a bit. We've done the money and transfers to death (money spent vs money received/Ashton/agents/SL etc etc) - I'm not denying his blame, but I can also step back and acknowledge:

a) it's a share of blame - SL, MA also take blame IMO for transfers and strategies.

b) Yes we are financially in the shit, but that is not LJ's fault. MA and SL signed on the dotted lines. They pushed the budgets. They knew the FFP implications. They appointed Holden who set us back further. 

IMO on the whole LJ had us fighting at the right end of the table but my biggest criticism was he should have gone sooner and the scattergun transfer policy that bloated the squad and ended up with us losing our way on the pitch - again, as more info comes to light over transfers, that is something MA and SL have questions to answer perhaps more so than LJ.

I know MA is to blame as well, but my point is that the constant influx of players at every window suited LJ, and he encouraged it, it camouflaged his lack of ability.....it was always jam tomorrow....when this or that player settles, when we can get leaders, or when we get this "club" into the bag, always the constant churning of the squad meant he was always saying we're nearly there and when we get x or y it will be ok.

What about managing what You've got, a big squad, lots of options, just work to improve the team. He's doing the same at Hibs, he's signed loads but now blaming their poor league position and results on the squad - he needs this that and the other etc. Forget all the grass measuring, drones, buzz phrases, hanging out in A & E and the Red Arrows, and just coach the f u cking team.....you can't though - we see you.

[M.D]

8 hours ago, CodeRed said:

I enjoyed the Man U win, as we all did, but on the scales that night versus £55 Million spent, 74 players signed, and leaving the club in such a state that it's taking years to recover.......the bad grossly outweighs the good 

Is that how much Ashton spent on players?

[1960maaan]

7 hours ago, Alessandro said:

a) it's a share of blame - SL, MA also take blame IMO for transfers and strategies.

b) Yes we are financially in the shit, but that is not LJ's fault. MA and SL signed on the dotted lines. They pushed the budgets. They knew the FFP implications. They appointed Holden who set us back further. 

IMO on the whole LJ had us fighting at the right end of the table but my biggest criticism was he should have gone sooner and the scattergun transfer policy that bloated the squad and ended up with us losing our way on the pitch - again, as more info comes to light over transfers, that is something MA and SL have questions to answer perhaps more so than LJ.

TBF all Managers want "just one more player", so while Johnson gets the blame for a lot of things, it's not all down to him where we are. He should have been more focused on building a team shape & style, but IMO the majority of blame falls on Ashton.
Steve Lansdown has been criticised for not being a football man, well Mark Ashton was supposed to be that buffer/conduit. But he loved buying players. Lansdown was guilty of too much loyalty and trust, that's the main point here. Ashton over saw all those transfers, even if he didn't target them (which no one really knows), he convinced Steve L to sign the cheque.

We will never know why holden was appointed, or at least the thinking behind it. No one believes he was the best man for the job at that time. What I think is Ashton may have been concerned with his position and not wanted someone coming in that was well experienced, strong willed and not gullible. If Pearson come in under Ashton I think we would have seen some fireworks.

All 3 are culpable , Johnson lacked plan and focus. Lansdown trusted the wrong person , you'd think with Gould or the new CEO we wouldn't be in this situation. Ashton was given the keys to the car and his ego ran amok .

We are lucky that when the owner drops a bollock, he has the funds to pay for his mistakes. Many Clubs have fallen down or out of the League through poor or reckless spending.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

9 hours ago, CodeRed said:

I enjoyed the Man U win, as we all did, but on the scales that night versus £55 Million spent, 74 players signed, and leaving the club in such a state that it's taking years to recover.......the bad grossly outweighs the good 

For me "enjoying the Man U game" doesn't come close to my personal experience and if there is one single defining moment in my time of supporting BCFC then that was it. It was the best £35 I ever spent and don't miss the £55 million I didn't spend.That one match wasn't winning the cup or getting promotion but that night felt like it- for me.

If the feeling that the ManU game was merely enjoyable then I cant think you were there.

[CodeRed]

21 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

For me "enjoying the Man U game" doesn't come close to my personal experience and if there is one single defining moment in my time of supporting BCFC then that was it. It was the best £35 I ever spent and don't miss the £55 million I didn't spend.That one match wasn't winning the cup or getting promotion but that night felt like it- for me.

If the feeling that the ManU game was merely enjoyable then I cant think you were there.

Takes a lot to get me excited these days  , it was a good night but nothing will ever top the evening of April 20th 1976 for me.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

2 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

Takes a lot to get me excited these days  , it was a good night but nothing will ever top the evening of April 20th 1976 for me.

I was too young!!! 

I'm embarrassed to ask but what happened? I guess it must be promotion to the old L1?

[Son of Fred]

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

If Pearson come in under Ashton I think we would have seen some fireworks

Fireworks would have just been the warmup!

[downendcity]

23 hours ago, Vidal said:

I remember seeing Nagy v QPR on his home debut thinking he was going to be signing off the century for us, absolutely outstanding……as was Massengo for his first month. What happened?

Instead of picking a team to play to our strengths, LJ picked a team to counter the strengths of the opposition.

[pongo88]

10 hours ago, CodeRed said:

Scottish League Cup ?

 

That like putting on your CV that you won the egg and spoon race at primary school!

I won the egg and spoon race at primary school. If only I’d put it on my CV I would have got more job interviews. 

[Robbored]

11 hours ago, CodeRed said:

I enjoyed the Man U win, as we all did, but on the scales that night versus £55 Million spent, 74 players signed, and leaving the club in such a state that it's taking years to recover.......the bad grossly outweighs the good 

We all enjoyed seeing the stars of Man Utd humbled. Mourinho was so embarrassed that he didn’t stay for the usual post drink and for me that was the highlight of LJ career at City.

Sadly he devolved into his father and became a one trick pony - that’s when my support him evaporated. 

[cider-manc]

15 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Djuric, not a bad player, but injury/family unsettled cut him short here. Played in Serie A last 2...

We would of got playoffs in 18/19 if Djuric had stayed - Easily worth 5 or 6 points a season off the bench when chasing games.

This is a hill I'm willing to die on.

[Rob k]

17 minutes ago, Robbored said:

We all enjoyed seeing the stars of Man Utd humbled. Mourinho was so embarrassed that he didn’t stay for the usual post drink and for me that was the highlight of LJ career at City.

Sadly he devolved into his father and became a one trick pony - that’s when my support him evaporated. 

Gary Johnson nearly had us in the premiership - your disrespect towards him is weird 

[Alessandro]

10 hours ago, CodeRed said:

I know MA is to blame as well, but my point is that the constant influx of players at every window suited LJ, and he encouraged it, it camouflaged his lack of ability.....it was always jam tomorrow....when this or that player settles, when we can get leaders, or when we get this "club" into the bag, always the constant churning of the squad meant he was always saying we're nearly there and when we get x or y it will be ok.

What about managing what You've got, a big squad, lots of options, just work to improve the team. He's doing the same at Hibs, he's signed loads but now blaming their poor league position and results on the squad - he needs this that and the other etc. Forget all the grass measuring, drones, buzz phrases, hanging out in A & E and the Red Arrows, and just coach the f u cking team.....you can't though - we see you.

Of course, all managers are the same, they want upgrades. But yeah, the very best managers get upgrades AND the best out of players. But you've got to remember, you can't get blood out of a stone...

Either way - I just can't look back at LJ and be angry and say that was a period where nothing good happened, end of. Regardless of if you liked him or not, he was a man who respected the club and put his 110% into finding the edges that might have helped us punch above our weight in one of the toughest divisions in the world.

Whatever "City transfer records" money was spent, it was never in the top 6, 4, 2 bracket. 

If you want to hold transfers over LJ, i'm sorry, but for me you blame more the CEO and the owner. They do the money. He can ask, but they say yes or no.

In football, nothing is certain, sometimes you take a punt on a manager and you have to give time and loyalty.

SL put his faith and loyalty in LJ (and MA) - if you think that was wrong, blame SL. If you think LJ had too many players, or was here too long, that's not LJ's fault.

And yes, we are in the shit financially - but that was the risk SL and MA took, the gamble didn't pay off (and for us to get out the division, we will have to gamble)- so if it doesn't work you tighten, re-group and go again. Nearly every club is the same. 

[Alessandro]

3 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

If Pearson come in under Ashton I think we would have seen some fireworks.

Pearson did come in under Ashton. They worked together for at least a few months before Ashton jumped ship.

[Guest]

28 minutes ago, cider-manc said:

We would of got playoffs in 18/19 if Djuric had stayed - Easily worth 5 or 6 points a season off the bench when chasing games.

This is a hill I'm willing to die on.

What used to drive me nuts is he'd seem to always sub Duric for Eliasson or vice versa.

One was so strong and good in the air it was ridiculous and the other the best crosser in the history of all man kind. Is it just me or would you want the two of them on the pitch at the same time? 

[1960maaan]

10 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Pearson did come in under Ashton. They worked together for at least a few months before Ashton jumped ship.

While Nige was temporary yeah . I wonder if SL deciding to make him permanent had a bearing, would be something to like NP for.
Pearson joins end of Feb, Ashton departure announced mid April. 

I was thinking longer term though, I think even Pearson wouldn't have 'full bore' in those early days. Given time, and a realisation of how big the mess was, I think it could have been entertaining further down the line. 

[Davefevs]

11 hours ago, Alessandro said:

That wasn't the discussion but anyway while what you write is mostly 'correct' - I think we all know it's oversimplifying the situation a bit. We've done the money and transfers to death (money spent vs money received/Ashton/agents/SL etc etc) - I'm not denying his blame, but I can also step back and acknowledge:

a) it's a share of blame - SL, MA also take blame IMO for transfers and strategies.

b) Yes we are financially in the shit, but that is not LJ's fault. MA and SL signed on the dotted lines. They pushed the budgets. They knew the FFP implications. They appointed Holden who set us back further. 

IMO on the whole LJ had us fighting at the right end of the table but my biggest criticism was he should have gone sooner and the scattergun transfer policy that bloated the squad and ended up with us losing our way on the pitch - again, as more info comes to light over transfers, that is something MA and SL have questions to answer perhaps more so than LJ.

10 hours ago, CodeRed said:

I know MA is to blame as well, but my point is that the constant influx of players at every window suited LJ, and he encouraged it, it camouflaged his lack of ability.....it was always jam tomorrow....when this or that player settles, when we can get leaders, or when we get this "club" into the bag, always the constant churning of the squad meant he was always saying we're nearly there and when we get x or y it will be ok.

What about managing what You've got, a big squad, lots of options, just work to improve the team. He's doing the same at Hibs, he's signed loads but now blaming their poor league position and results on the squad - he needs this that and the other etc. Forget all the grass measuring, drones, buzz phrases, hanging out in A & E and the Red Arrows, and just coach the f u cking team.....you can't though - we see you.

I think you are BOTH right.

23 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Pearson did come in under Ashton. They worked together for at least a few months before Ashton jumped ship.

Ashton was put on gardening leave. He was occasionally wheeled out for the HPC stuff to give the impression all was hunky-dory behind the glare of the media.

I think that if Ashton had remained, Pearson wouldn’t have stayed. You’ve only got to listen to his criticism of our strategy to see he includes Ashton (and the Lansdowns) in that. 

[CodeRed]

34 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Of course, all managers are the same, they want upgrades. But yeah, the very best managers get upgrades AND the best out of players. But you've got to remember, you can't get blood out of a stone...

Either way - I just can't look back at LJ and be angry and say that was a period where nothing good happened, end of. Regardless of if you liked him or not, he was a man who respected the club and put his 110% into finding the edges that might have helped us punch above our weight in one of the toughest divisions in the world.

Whatever "City transfer records" money was spent, it was never in the top 6, 4, 2 bracket. 

If you want to hold transfers over LJ, i'm sorry, but for me you blame more the CEO and the owner. They do the money. He can ask, but they say yes or no.

In football, nothing is certain, sometimes you take a punt on a manager and you have to give time and loyalty.

SL put his faith and loyalty in LJ (and MA) - if you think that was wrong, blame SL. If you think LJ had too many players, or was here too long, that's not LJ's fault.

And yes, we are in the shit financially - but that was the risk SL and MA took, the gamble didn't pay off (and for us to get out the division, we will have to gamble)- so if it doesn't work you tighten, re-group and go again. Nearly every club is the same. 

My point is that it's always a work in progress with LJ, he did say give me 3 windows to build a squad and 6 windows later he was still moaning that he needed ' warriors ' and 'leaders', He said he the final say on incomings so we can't put it all on Ashton.

Anyway we'll never agree on LJ, the fanbase is split into 2 camps: Those who think he did a poor job, and those who think he did a f u cking terrible job! 

 

[Red-Robbo]

11 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Ashton was put on gardening leave. He was occasionally wheeled out for the HPC stuff to give the impression all was hunky-dory behind the glare of the media.

I think that if Ashton had remained, Pearson wouldn’t have stayed. You’ve only got to listen to his criticism of our strategy to see he includes Ashton (and the Lansdowns) in that. 

 

Was going to post something similar. Having a "football recruitment" CEO, as Ashton was, is the antithesis of how Pearson seeks to mould a club.

The day NP came here was the beginning of the end for Ashton. In fact, his recruitment in the first place is a sign that the Lansdown's had lost faith in Mark Ashton. 

[BanburyRed]

55 minutes ago, Rob k said:

Gary Johnson nearly had us in the premiership - your disrespect towards him is weird 

That's because Danny Wilson lives inside his head rent free...

[Alessandro]

4 minutes ago, CodeRed said:

My point is that it's always a work in progress with LJ, he did say give me 3 windows to build a squad and 6 windows later he was still moaning that he needed ' warriors ' and 'leaders', He said he the final say on incomings so we can't put it all on Ashton.

Anyway we'll never agree on LJ, the fanbase is split into 2 camps: Those who think he did a poor job, and those who think he did a f u cking terrible job! 

 

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you - I just see it a different way in terms of % of blame and the whole ‘that’s football’ and it’s the same with virtually every club and manager.

Totally agree r.e the split in the camp - most polarising manager in recent history - for many he was doomed to fail before he started. 

I think though there are more camps than just he was 1) poor or 2) f terrible!

For me he came in when we were on worse results/performance trajectory than we are now - took us:

1: out the relegation fight and to safety 

2: had us progressing year on year for 2/3 years, often in the top 10 and at times top 6 even top 2.

3: gave us something fantastic performances/away days and cup runs.

4: put in a lot of ground work off the pitch. 

Ultimately yes he didn’t have to quality to get us over the line and stayed a year too long playing his part in the financial mess that came towards the end. Fine.

But I’m not rewriting history to say it was all shit and everyone looks back at it as poor or terrible - if you do IMO you’re blinkered by not liking the man. 

[redsquirrel]

12 hours ago, FNQ said:

Wow.. the only time you’ve cried at a City match.. I do it frequently albeit watching from afar, Birmingham away this season I was inconsolable for days.. 

imagine trying to hide it at half time against lincoln in the concourse 

[Bristol Oil Services]

12 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Was going to post something similar. Having a "football recruitment" CEO, as Ashton was, is the antithesis of how Pearson seeks to mould a club.

The day NP came here was the beginning of the end for Ashton. In fact, his recruitment in the first place is a sign that the Lansdown's had lost faith in Mark Ashton. 

Might it be why Pearson didn't come here in Feb 16, he was asked about the job here on 5Live on a Friday evening I think it was, and he gave a bit of a cryptic answer, saying amongst other things: "it's a big place (Bristol)," it was all but clear from this exchange that there was interest and contact, but we went down the "middle of L1, up-and-coming" route instead.

We got Ashton and LJ, when we had players to "trade" and money to burn, when it would seem we could've had Pearson. And before he got seriously ill, too.

[lenred]

Taking about a one off win as if it was a pinnacle of our clubs history is why we will never progress.  Yes, it was a fantastic night no doubting it, but to still be celebrating it 5 years later…..well.  
So many equivalent teams have done so much better than us over the last twenty years - Cardiff - League Cup final, Championship title, 2 seasons in the Premier League.  Wigan - 8 seasons in the Prem, won the FA Cup as well as reaching another semi losing on pens, European football. Swansea - 8 years in the Prem and won the League Cup. Pompey in the Prem and Europe.  Brentford ripping up the Prem at the moment.   The list goes on and on.  We need to up our expectations.   

Edited January 7, 2023 by lenred

[italian dave]

Whilst I agree that an Ashton/Pearson combination didn’t ever seem likely to work, I thought that his departure actually had more to do with

a) the fact that he chose to leave us, and

b) he’d properly stitched us up by talking to his American friends about what they could do at Ipswich while he was supposed to be working for us. 

[Slacker]

RobboRed.You really need to get over your hatred of Gary Johnson. It is unhealthy for you to still be carrying it around with you after all these years. We are all very aware of your feelings towards him.For your own sake you need to move on.This is not a dig at you.I honestly feel sorry for you that this has been eating away at you for so long.Life is far too short to be carrying baggage like this around with you.Also your agenda often undermines valid points that you otherwise make.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Alessandro]

6 hours ago, lenred said:

Taking about a one off win as if it was a pinnacle of our clubs history is why we will never progress.  Yes, it was a fantastic night no doubting it, but to still be celebrating it 5 years later…..well.  
So many equivalent teams have done so much better than us over the last twenty years - Cardiff - League Cup final, Championship title, 2 seasons in the Premier League.  Wigan - 8 seasons in the Prem, won the FA Cup as well as reaching another semi losing on pens, European football. Swansea - 8 years in the Prem and won the League Cup. Pompey in the Prem and Europe.  Brentford ripping up the Prem at the moment.   The list goes on and on.  We need to up our expectations.   

I don't think anyone is still celebrating it, but the reality is, in my 30 odd years supporting City, it's up there as one of the best nights.

But does that mean my hopes and expectations for the club are any lower than yours, absolutely not. 

Do I think we've underachieved in my lifetime, absolutely yes. 

Edited January 7, 2023 by Alessandro

[fgrsimon]

See Hibs lost 0-3 to bitter rivals Hearts in the cup yesterday, three weeks after losing to them 3-0 in the league. Must be on borrowed time there surely?

[RedLionLad]

On 07/01/2023 at 10:49, Robbored said:

We all enjoyed seeing the stars of Man Utd humbled. Mourinho was so embarrassed that he didn’t stay for the usual post drink and for me that was the highlight of LJ career at City.

Sadly he devolved into his father and became a one trick pony - that’s when my support him evaporated. 

Don’t you ever stop ?

Your obsession with putting down the two Johnson managers must surely be bordering upon some kind of illness. Haven’t you got a poster of a proper manager like Danny Wilson to tug yourself over?

[Rebounder]

On 07/01/2023 at 12:57, lenred said:

Taking about a one off win as if it was a pinnacle of our clubs history is why we will never progress.  Yes, it was a fantastic night no doubting it, but to still be celebrating it 5 years later…..well.  
So many equivalent teams have done so much better than us over the last twenty years - Cardiff - League Cup final, Championship title, 2 seasons in the Premier League.  Wigan - 8 seasons in the Prem, won the FA Cup as well as reaching another semi losing on pens, European football. Swansea - 8 years in the Prem and won the League Cup. Pompey in the Prem and Europe.  Brentford ripping up the Prem at the moment.   The list goes on and on.  We need to up our expectations.   

Interesting list there considering two of the clubs nearly folded due to the money spent bringing the success, and Cardiff are at a high risk of long term problems and had the heart ripped out of them. Swansea have had a wobbly time too, but seem to be okay on the whole? Makes you wonder if it's worth it. 

[Calculus]

On 07/01/2023 at 12:57, lenred said:

Taking about a one off win as if it was a pinnacle of our clubs history is why we will never progress.  Yes, it was a fantastic night no doubting it, but to still be celebrating it 5 years later…..well.  
So many equivalent teams have done so much better than us over the last twenty years - Cardiff - League Cup final, Championship title, 2 seasons in the Premier League.  Wigan - 8 seasons in the Prem, won the FA Cup as well as reaching another semi losing on pens, European football. Swansea - 8 years in the Prem and won the League Cup. Pompey in the Prem and Europe.  Brentford ripping up the Prem at the moment.   The list goes on and on.  We need to up our expectations.   

Agree with all that but would add the win at Anfield 30 years ago. Every time I walk past that wall in the South Stand celebrating that win and Tinnion's goal I think the same thing - Tinpot. 

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

4 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

I think the clubs growing connection with the past is a massive part of who we are. Nothing tinpot about celebrating your history, however small or less significant it is in comparison to your peers.

We should be proud of who we are and our past. It's ours. 

So we should be proud of our lack of achievement because it’s ‘ours’?  We have significantly underachieved for decades.  I love this club, but I wouldn’t delude myself by claiming I’m proud of the last thirty years.

[Calculus]

23 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

I think the clubs growing connection with the past is a massive part of who we are. Nothing tinpot about celebrating your history, however small or less significant it is in comparison to your peers.

We should be proud of who we are and our past. It's ours. 

I'd much rather we fixed ourselves on having a better future and celebrating something significant than clinging to the odd good day. 'Too easily satisfied' would be s good club motto for us. 

[prankerd]

Whether we have underachieved or not, you can only celebrate the good times put in front of you, there are teams in the premier league that have won nothing.

We have at least got like 3 johnstones paint trophies and a league 1 title, thats nothing to pull our noses at!.

Then the league cup defeat of united, playoffs defeatz however much they hurt are moments in history.

Id rather those than be a midtable premier league team with no ambition to win anything..

 

[REDOXO]

5 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

So you're saying we achieved nothing in the last 30 years? 

How pragmatic.

Not much isn't nothing. We've still won more silverware in the 40 years since 1982 than the sad sags have won in their entire history. 

We should ignore any good moments because they aren't sufficient for some people. Let's whitewash the whole concourse. Let's turn Ashton Gate into another identikit stadium. 

Whinging for the sake of whinging. If you can't be proud of your own club what's the bloody point in going? What exactly do you get out of it? 

Please do not make a comparison with us and a sad sag encampment in a part of town ludicrously named Horfield. Our failure is ours their failure is akin to Yate and Yeovil. 

[lenred]

23 minutes ago, prankerd said:

Whether we have underachieved or not, you can only celebrate the good times put in front of you, there are teams in the premier league that have won nothing.

We have at least got like 3 johnstones paint trophies and a league 1 title, thats nothing to pull our noses at!.

Then the league cup defeat of united, playoffs defeatz however much they hurt are moments in history.

Id rather those than be a midtable premier league team with no ambition to win anything..

 

Surely this is a wind up?!

[W-S-M Seagull]

2 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

I think the clubs growing connection with the past is a massive part of who we are. Nothing tinpot about celebrating your history, however small or less significant it is in comparison to your peers.

We should be proud of who we are and our past. It's ours. 

I think Nige recognised quite quickly that we didn't really acknowledge our past and along with Gould took steps so that we do. That's all part of the culture he is trying to install here. 

We are Bristol City and we should be proud of that. Our past has led us to where we are today. 

[LondonBristolian]

In a way, I do get the point about the ridiculousness of celebrating a one-off cup win years later but, on the other hand, surely memories of nights like those are the whole point of supporting a football team?

Christ knows I've had more than enough joyless afternoons and evenings in the freezing cold watching us labour to terrible results. Ironically I couldn't make the Man Utd game but travelling to Manchester and standing at the Etihad with thousands of other City fans and watching us go toe to toe with one of the best teams in football in a cup semi final was one of the best memories of being a fan.

Sure, I wish we'd get promoted and it is frustrating seeing other clubs overtake us but football is made of stories and memories and I have no problem with the club celebrating that. It might be petty and completely ludicrous from the outside. But if you take everything that's petty and ludicrous from the outside out of football, I'm not too sure what's then left. 

[cheese]

I'll always remember my son's face (he was 17 at the time) when we won against United - and that's priceless and wouldn't have been any different had we just won the Champions League.  So, I'm with @LondonBristolian, ludicrous from the outside but them's what memories are made of and treasured.  I also have the result and the teams on a poster on the wall. 

[bredwood]

The Johnson Out! thread on the Hibs message board now up to 32 pages. Claims that he is treating some members of the squad unfairly by now allowing them to train with the first team.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?360818-Johnson-Out/page31

[Fordy62]

8 hours ago, RedLionLad said:

Don’t you ever stop ?

Your obsession with putting down the two Johnson managers must surely be bordering upon some kind of illness. Haven’t you got a poster of a proper manager like Danny Wilson to tug yourself over?

Imagine hating one man so much! ?

[Phileas Fogg]

53 minutes ago, Fordy62 said:

Imagine hating one man so much! ?

How come you direct it at Johnson specifically? 

I know the rationale, broadly because he was given backing Cotterill wasn’t, but surely that’s more the fault of the board and the likes of Ashton?

Edited January 23, 2023 by Phileas Fogg

[DaveInSA]

some of my best days supporting City have been away games at York, Walsall, QPR, Chesterfield, Wrexham, Chester...etc....when we absolutely hammered the opposition.

how does that "success" correlate with getting hammered every week at home by Arsenal, Liverpool, Manchester, etc...

that's the challenge - how could we do a Brentford or a Brighton? And would we be happy with that? being a mid table premier league team (well i guess it might be better than being a mid table championship team)

i don't know what the answer would be, but I'd certainly put winning something, above winning nothing?

[2015]

Reading he has fallen out with some of the players. Seems unfortunately a toxic trait of his. He comes across at times a little arrogant which would rub certain people up the wrong way - even Paddy Kenny explained it in his own biography. Full of himself

[SydneyCity]

I listen to a few Scottish football podcasts and they’re all sure that Hibs will be in a relegation battle this season.

It’s a basket case of a club at the moment but LJ hasn’t been helping matters by all accounts.

[grifty]

On 07/01/2023 at 12:57, lenred said:

Taking about a one off win as if it was a pinnacle of our clubs history is why we will never progress.  Yes, it was a fantastic night no doubting it, but to still be celebrating it 5 years later…..well.  
So many equivalent teams have done so much better than us over the last twenty years - Cardiff - League Cup final, Championship title, 2 seasons in the Premier League.  Wigan - 8 seasons in the Prem, won the FA Cup as well as reaching another semi losing on pens, European football. Swansea - 8 years in the Prem and won the League Cup. Pompey in the Prem and Europe.  Brentford ripping up the Prem at the moment.   The list goes on and on.  We need to up our expectations.   

Can you give us a list of things we are allowed to celebrate please?

[Super]

1 hour ago, Fordy62 said:

Imagine hating one man so much! ?

In fairness we do also have a 60 page thread on Ipswich!

[Red Army 75]

He’s doing a fantastic job

 

 

 

 

According to Hearts fans 

[lenred]

27 minutes ago, grifty said:

Can you give us a list of things we are allowed to celebrate please?

Whatever you want.  It’s still a free country. 

[Fordy62]

1 hour ago, Phileas Fogg said:

How come you direct it at Johnson specifically? 

I know the rationale, broadly because he was given backing Cotterill wasn’t, but surely that’s more the fault of the board and the likes of Ashton?

I don’t really hate him mate I’ve almost made it a bit of a parody. But I hate the situation more as you rightly point out. 

[downendcity]

Bill Shankley famously said, " football is a simple game made complicated by those who should know better".

Lee Johnson should know better!

[Harry]

2 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think Nige recognised quite quickly that we didn't really acknowledge our past and along with Gould took steps so that we do. That's all part of the culture he is trying to install here. 

We are Bristol City and we should be proud of that. Our past has led us to where we are today. 

Sorry, not looking for an argument or a disagreement or anything, just a genuine question as I may have missed it, but what did Nige do that recognised our history? 

[Rob k]

14 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Bill Shankley famously said, " football is a simple game made complicated by those who should know better".

Lee Johnson should know better!

It’s not as simple as it was back in Shankleys day that’s for sure 

[2015]

15 minutes ago, Rob k said:

It’s not as simple as it was back in Shankleys day that’s for sure 

I think the core principles of what Shankley said still exists. If you have possession - keep possession (tiki taka), if you lose possession win it back as soon as possible (Gegenpressing). Basically what we've seen from the best of Man City and Liverpool these past 5 years.

[downendcity]

19 minutes ago, Rob k said:

It’s not as simple as it was back in Shankleys day that’s for sure 

..and certainly not when LJ is head coach!

[REDOXO]

Ten pages on LJ! He’s in Scotland. Can we move this to a non football section?

[Silvio Dante]

2 hours ago, bredwood said:

The Johnson Out! thread on the Hibs message board now up to 32 pages. Claims that he is treating some members of the squad unfairly by now allowing them to train with the first team.

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?360818-Johnson-Out/page31

Jesus. I know some don’t rate his coaching but that’s a harsh criticism by any metric.

[Selred]

1 hour ago, 2015 said:

Reading he has fallen out with some of the players. Seems unfortunately a toxic trait of his. He comes across at times a little arrogant which would rub certain people up the wrong way - even Paddy Kenny explained it in his own biography. Full of himself

A lot of managers fall out with players. It's a common thing in football.

Paddy Kenny is also a jumped up little ****, maybe he should of been more concerned he shipped in 7 goals in his 3rd and final appearance for Oldham instead of blaming LJ....

Edited January 23, 2023 by Selred