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lenred

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1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I've no problem with women doing that job. Women watch and play football, why shouldn't they commentate? Nothing remotely 'politically correct' about not excluding 50% of the population.

For me, I don't think she too dreadful, but it's a question of taste. Lots of folks rated the awful John Motson, with his fake chuckle and irrelevant facts shoehorned awkwardly in. He made me turn the commentary off.

I do agree with those saying Dublin is a useless pundit though. 

Completely agree.   There are plenty of blokes who I’d also turn off if I had the choice.   Hopefully it’s not Matterface this evening for example! 

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McNasty Filth

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9 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Just thinking what a contrast there is between the noise made by the Argentine fans last night and either side today. It sounds more like an uninspiring league one game on a wet day. 

For me the Europeans have really let the side down badly in this tournament compared to the Africans, Asians and South Americans. Maybe a sign of the times in terms of passiveness creeping into the game with us being customers not fans.

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ExiledAjax

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Completely agree.   There are plenty of blokes who I’d also turn off if I had the choice.   Hopefully it’s not Matterface this evening for example! 

Such as whoever is on co-comms on 5live and was completely baffled at the notion that someone could calculate how fast Mbappe had ran.

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BCFC Rich

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5 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I've no problem with women doing that job. Women watch and play football, why shouldn't they commentate? Nothing remotely 'politically correct' about not excluding 50% of the population.

For me, I don't think she too dreadful, but it's a question of taste. Lots of folks rated the awful John Motson, with his fake chuckle and irrelevant facts shoehorned awkwardly in. He made me turn the commentary off.

I do agree with those saying Dublin is a useless pundit though. 

I have the American commentary here and it's full of great 'soccer' stats like "Mbappe showed earlier he is capable of 3.8 40 yard dash" 

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lenred

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1 minute ago, ExiledAjax said:

Such as whoever is on co-comms on 5live and was completely baffled at the notion that someone could calculate how fast Mbappe had ran.

Chris Sutton.  Think he was being sarcastic!  He loves playing the curmudgeonly old get.   I like him a lot, very knowledgable and happy to have the Michael taken out of him.   

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Red-Robbo

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1 minute ago, lenred said:

Completely agree.   There are plenty of blokes who I’d also turn off if I had the choice.   Hopefully it’s not Matterface this evening for example! 

 

See I don't mind him either. I'm not looking for a commentator to tell me all about background and analyse things too much. I can see what's going on. They're just there as background noise and to give you the names of players you are unfamiliar with.  I hate to say it about a fellow Red, but I'm not keen on Pearcey, for example. Calm down, mate. We're English, not Paraguayans. 

The understated Guy Mowbray is my favourite of current commentators. 

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10 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I've no problem with women doing that job. Women watch and play football, why shouldn't they commentate? Nothing remotely 'politically correct' about not excluding 50% of the population.

For me, I don't think she too dreadful, but it's a question of taste. Lots of folks rated the awful John Motson, with his fake chuckle and irrelevant facts shoehorned awkwardly in. He made me turn the commentary off.

I do agree with those saying Dublin is a useless pundit though. 

Bring on John Hartson I say

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1 minute ago, AppyDAZE said:

For what it's worth, I think the commentator has been ok. There's one on live who does my head in, but it's not this one.

I agree, Dion Dublin is excellent.

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Bring on John Hartson I say

He’s pretty a good pundit for sure.

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lenred

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6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

See I don't mind him either. I'm not looking for a commentator to tell me all about background and analyse things too much. I can see what's going on. They're just there as background noise and to give you the names of players you are unfamiliar with.  I hate to say it about a fellow Red, but I'm not keen on Pearcey, for example. Calm down, mate. We're English, not Paraguayans. 

The understated Guy Mowbray is my favourite of current commentators. 

Guy Mowbray is very good I agree.  I get what you are saying about JP also but I like his style and again he’s so knowledgable.    Matterface couldn’t  even get the German players’ clubs right the other day.  Stuff like that really bugs me.  I know we all make mistakes but surely that’s a basic pre requisite. Champion and McCoist are probably my favourites at the moment.  A superb double act.  

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6 minutes ago, lenred said:

Chris Sutton.  Think he was being sarcastic!  He loves playing the curmudgeonly old get.   I like him a lot, very knowledgable and happy to have the Michael taken out of him.   

He does 606 with Savage doesn't he? I bloody hope he's playing a character. Grumpiest person I ever hear on radio.

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5 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Vicki Sparkes, Robyn Cowens, Jonathan Pearce, Sam Matterface all absolutely dreadful. The only good co commentator on BBC and ITV is Ally McCoist, the rest are dreadful. All about quotas though mostly.

I’d never thought of Bristol City fans being considered a disadvantaged minority group. But it makes sense. ??

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AppyDAZE

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4 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Don`t you listen to Ian Gay when he phones in to RB then?

They come on after R Bristol is finished 

4 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Don`t you listen to Ian Gay when he phones in to RB then?

They come on after R Bristol is finished 

Nothing beats the wisdom of Mr Gay

 

Yeah right 

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BCFC Rich

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Lewandoski forces the keeper off his line with the stutter.  Shouldn’t get a second chance.

That's part of the point of that kind of run up though. no different than playing for a foul or penalty. It's using the rules to gain advantage. It's smart because if he scores it's a goal, and if not he gets another chance. 

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6 minutes ago, Malago said:

Apparently Southgate is dropping Rashford for Saka.  

i heard dropping Foden for Saka (and Walker for Trippier)... it's like trying to pick a Lee Johnson tombola lineup with England, but sort of in a good way!!

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7 minutes ago, BCFC Rich said:

That's part of the point of that kind of run up though. no different than playing for a foul or penalty. It's using the rules to gain advantage. It's smart because if he scores it's a goal, and if not he gets another chance. 

I thought they weren’t allowed to break their run.

And then he celebrates….

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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Really??

Granted he should go to a stronger League but his CL record is also fantastic. Under 25 too, loads of room for growth too. Carried France a bit in 2018 too.

Sarcasm my friend. Something on here said Mbappe was overrated. 

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italian dave

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17 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I thought they weren’t allowed to break their run.

And then he celebrates….

 

3 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

Aren't they only banned from feining to shoot and then stopping?

I thought so too.

JETs technique had a similar objective (in my view) which is to force the keeper to show which way he’s going before striking the ball - and if he doesn’t, just keep it low and then the keeper has no time to get down.

But JETs technique didn’t involve breaking his run - or rather his stroll ?

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BCFC Rich

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23 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I thought they weren’t allowed to break their run.

And then he celebrates….

Pretty sure it is only feinting a shot that is not allowed, a stuttered run up is and if your technique is good enough it makes sense to do it. It's a bit like playing for a foul, or time wasting while winning though - pushes the edge of rules and drives me crazy when it's against my team. So I think in terems of rules, the ref gets everything about the penalty correct, from awarding it to having it retaken. 

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11 minutes ago, BCFC Rich said:

Pretty sure it is only feinting a shot that is not allowed, a stuttered run up is and if your technique is good enough it makes sense to do it. It's a bit like playing for a foul, or time wasting while winning though - pushes the edge of rules and drives me crazy when it's against my team. So I think in terems of rules, the ref gets everything about the penalty correct, from awarding it to having it retaken. 

Good job he scored, the retake was on again wasn't it. 

I think if players are allowed that, keepers should be allowed to come forward as long as they wait for the kick.

It's all a bit silly.

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1 minute ago, AppyDAZE said:

Good job he scored, the retake was on again wasn't it. 

I think if players are allowed that, keepers should be allowed to come forward as long as they wait for the kick.

It's all a bit silly.

How about, player goes to his run-up position, keeper on his line…ref blows whistle, player and keeper can start their movement.  Would make it more fun. Maybe?

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

How about, player goes to his run-up position, keeper on his line…ref blows whistle, player and keeper can start their movement.  Would make it more fun. Maybe?

Sounds good

If that rule had been in place when JET was taking penalties for us then the keeper would have got there first. Easily.

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BCFC Rich

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How about, player goes to his run-up position, keeper on his line…ref blows whistle, player and keeper can start their movement.  Would make it more fun. Maybe?

In all honesty (I don't know anyone else who likes this idea ?), but when the MLS started (current version) they did not allow draws and so often had shootouts. Howevere they did these more like ice hokey - keeper on their line, player 35 yards out. The player had to run in and try and score, I like it more because its much more about the skill of the keeper and the player. Where as penalties are much more luck. I also realise i'm pretty much in a minority of one in these thoughts ?

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

How about, player goes to his run-up position, keeper on his line…ref blows whistle, player and keeper can start their movement.  Would make it more fun. Maybe?

Certainly would make it a bit harder to score.

It does seem unfair that a keeper can't come forward in some respects.

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1 minute ago, BCFC Rich said:

In all honesty (I don't know anyone else who likes this idea ?), but when the MLS started (current version) they did not allow draws and so often had shootouts. Howevere they did these more like ice hokey - keeper on their line, player 35 yards out. The player had to run in and try and score, I like it more because its much more about the skill of the keeper and the player. Where as penalties are much more luck. I also realise i'm pretty much in a minority of one in these thoughts ?

Yep remember those MLS ones in the late 70s.  Always liked that kind of concept, much more skill based.

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3 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

He's also scored 51 goals for our club over the prior 3.5 seasons. For me that's more important than 6 months at the end of his contract.

Each to their own but he won’t live long in the memory for me. Touch like a breeze block , no football brain whatsoever . Downing tools shows the true character or the man. 

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