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11 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

England played well, they were IMO the (slightly) better team. The Ref's decisions shipped th game massively.
Them going 1-0 let them sit in. 
It should have been a foul , so 0-0
Then Kane's Pen, 1-0, the one not given.
So our equaliser 1-0
Our equaliser makes it 2-1
They make it 2-1 with Geroud 
If the game is Reffed properly we win

If they beat us 2 or 3 nil, I'd be gutted, but I'd hold my hands up. Shit Ref's kill the sport.

Doesnt work like that though

If he gave the foul on Saka  Everything after that would have been different

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9 minutes ago, bredwood said:

No. I think Morocco will be exhausted after the emotion and exertions of the 2 wins and the quality of the French will brush them aside.

I hate the tactics of the North African teams . They play to get a goal on the break then put all 11 behind the ball for the rest of the match. Egypt play the same way - what a waste of the talents of their skilful players.

I’m not saying Morocco are a better side than France. Just that I can’t see the same country winning the World Cup twice in a row. Plus there have been so many surprises in this tournament

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Just now, shelts said:

We should never of been behind , the goal was a clear foul in the build up . A clear pen not given that would’ve gave us a chance in theory to go one up . We have been failed by the officials . Blatant cheating . 

I agree - as i said earlier i watch these games and something isn’t right 

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39 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Feel sorry for Kane. The best player of this group and an excellent captain. Kane didn't deserve to be the one to make such an error.

I'm not surprised that we lost the game though. We gave it a decent go, but I can't escape the feeling that there's something missing with this England team - a bit of a competitive/aggressive/arrogant edge perhaps.

In 4 years time it might be Alex Scott!

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1 minute ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I said a few weeks ago on here that he goes missing in the big games against good teams, I got laughed at. Tonight he did the square root of f all. 

Agreed. Also i Genuinely think he would be bang average if he left the farmers league and come over to the Prem..

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Mr Popodopolous

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35 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Good olde FIFA......their choices of referees reflect just how poor they are at running the World's favourite game?

Sepp Blatter used to slate officials when required. Can we say the same now?

It's a bit of a segue as without him we wouldn't have a winter World Cup but he certainly wasn't averse to rating and slating refs and linesman.

Whether it was a sensible approach dunno but he used to do it!

He once said referee Ivanov should have been booked or booked himself for his display! Novel. :laughcont:

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4 minutes ago, Sheltons Army said:

Belief .....

We just lack the belief , the realisation that we are a very good side

If I’m being picky , we showed them too much respect first half 

5 minutes ago, Rebounder said:

Did just say somewhere else how great the young lads are coming through, both in terms of talent and appearing grounded, but maybe lack that bit of steal. Think it will come though. 

IMO it's a little bit more than just belief.

To me, we feel a bit too nice as a group. A bit friendly, soft, and pleasant, both on and off the pitch. I appreciate that some people like this "lovely young men" element to us, but I think it holds us back a bit. (Ironically, it also makes us less likable for me personally, but that's just my opinion)

The British often have a disliking for those who show confidence, aggression, extreme competitiveness, etc. Think Ronaldo & Portugal, think Messi & Argentina, think Jose Mourinho. These teams and the individuals within them have an obsession with winning which often manifests itself in actions which come across as selfish, arrogant, or unreasonable. They don't care about being nice young men. They don't care about off field matters. They don't care about being friendly and respectful. They care about winning football matches.

IMO we don't quite have that edge to us.

(Interestingly, I think Bristol City suffer from a very similar issue)

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15 minutes ago, Robbored said:

All down to FIFA.

They hate us because we invented the beautiful game. England despite plenty of magnificent stadiums haven’t been awarded a WC since 1966………….:cool2:

The referees England have been allocated have been diabolical culminating in the Latino oaf we had tonight. It’s all part of wider plan to stop England winning the WC again.

We won’t win it once more until it’s held once again in the UK.

Ah......can i just point out that the referee gave us the penalty...........he didn't take the penalty?  The reason on this occasion, that we got knocked out of the tournament was because we failed to take our opportunities, we have   no one to blame but ourselves.

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I know it won’t be a popular view but I think some of the reaction to the referee on here has been over the top. He wasn’t the reason we lost, and I think talk of plots and deliberate bias is ridiculous.

Let me say at the start that I don’t think he was great: he was inconsistent, never showed any real authority over the game, but in terms of the “big” decisions:

First French goal; the foul on Saka was a long way back and we had plenty of opportunity to stop what happened subsequently. Personally I thought it was a foul, but others (including on here) didn’t - and it was suggested that VAR would have looked at it - and if that’s the case then they decided not too.

First half penalty shout: again, I thought it was a foul, but arguably outside the box. I’d imagine VAR judged that to be the case, and so that decision was theirs, not the referees. He wasn’t given the opportunity to review it.

Second penalty: yes he missed it first time, but we don’t really know what his view/angle was. Today at Rotherham there was an almost identical barge into the back of a City player that went unpunished by the ref - and he didn’t have the benefit of VAR. In this instances the ref did have that benefit, took advantage of it, made the right decision. He didn’t give a red card because the attacking player didn’t have the ball under control so it wasn’t a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Overall, really frustrating because we were good enough to have won tonight, things just didn’t go for us. We matched one of the worlds best sides and on another day could have won. That’s massive strides from where we were  a decade  or less ago. And with young players who’ll only get better. 

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Im happy we played attacking minded football  and didn't sit back , we lost because France were clinical another day we get a free kick before the first goal and kane scores both pens but thats football.

 

I wouldn't be suprised to see Croatia France final again and now want Croatia to win. 

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1 minute ago, italian dave said:

I know it won’t be a popular view but I think some of the reaction to the referee on here has been over the top. He wasn’t the reason we lost, and I think talk of plots and deliberate bias is ridiculous.

Let me say at the start that I don’t think he was great: he was inconsistent, never showed any real authority over the game, but in terms of the “big” decisions:

First French goal; the foul on Saka was a long way back and we had plenty of opportunity to stop what happened subsequently. Personally I thought it was a foul, but others (including on here) didn’t - and it was suggested that VAR would have looked at it - and if that’s the case then they decided not too.

First half penalty shout: again, I thought it was a foul, but arguably outside the box. I’d imagine VAR judged that to be the case, and so that decision was theirs, not the referees. He wasn’t given the opportunity to review it.

Second penalty: yes he missed it first time, but we don’t really know what his view/angle was. Today at Rotherham there was an almost identical barge into the back of a City player that went unpunished by the ref - and he didn’t have the benefit of VAR. In this instances the ref did have that benefit, took advantage of it, made the right decision. He didn’t give a red card because the attacking player didn’t have the ball under control so it wasn’t a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Overall, really frustrating because we were good enough to have won tonight, things just didn’t go for us. We matched one of the worlds best sides and on another day could have won. That’s massive strides from where we were  a decade  or less ago. And with young players who’ll only get better. 

It was a clear foul on Saka for first goal for them.

I thought ref was really poor - stopping game for non head injuries etc. But I don’t believe he was corrupt etc - just awful. 

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1 minute ago, italian dave said:

I know it won’t be a popular view but I think some of the reaction to the referee on here has been over the top. He wasn’t the reason we lost, and I think talk of plots and deliberate bias is ridiculous.

Let me say at the start that I don’t think he was great: he was inconsistent, never showed any real authority over the game, but in terms of the “big” decisions:

First French goal; the foul on Saka was a long way back and we had plenty of opportunity to stop what happened subsequently. Personally I thought it was a foul, but others (including on here) didn’t - and it was suggested that VAR would have looked at it - and if that’s the case then they decided not too.

First half penalty shout: again, I thought it was a foul, but arguably outside the box. I’d imagine VAR judged that to be the case, and so that decision was theirs, not the referees. He wasn’t given the opportunity to review it.

Second penalty: yes he missed it first time, but we don’t really know what his view/angle was. Today at Rotherham there was an almost identical barge into the back of a City player that went unpunished by the ref - and he didn’t have the benefit of VAR. In this instances the ref did have that benefit, took advantage of it, made the right decision. He didn’t give a red card because the attacking player didn’t have the ball under control so it wasn’t a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Overall, really frustrating because we were good enough to have won tonight, things just didn’t go for us. We matched one of the worlds best sides and on another day could have won. That’s massive strides from where we were  a decade  or less ago. And with young players who’ll only get better. 

But if the ref himself gives the foul on Saka, or the clear foul on Kane, from behind, in the box, it's a different game. England were done by the ref, not by var

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4 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Ah......can i just point out that the referee gave us the penalty...........he didn't take the penalty?  The reason on this occasion, that we got knocked out of the tournament was because we failed to take our opportunities, we have   no one to blame but ourselves.

Agreed the ref gave us two penalties in the end which i feel would not have happened if we didn't have VAR. Regardless whether you think the first decision was right or wrong its a great strike.

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1 minute ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

But if the ref himself gives the foul on Saka, or the clear foul on Kane, from behind, in the box, it's a different game. England were done by the ref, not by var

The Saka foul the line is yards away . Kane has contact and not even a foul … something stinks . All the officials involved could’ve done better on key match decisions.  Dreadful . Good luck to France I think they’ll win it 

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Were I a believer in the conspiracy side, I'd say that FIFA want a lot of shocks but ultimately.

Not the Messi v Ronaldo final that many state but France v Argentina aka Mbappe v Messi final.

Passing of the torch to the new greatest player from the last. (Arguable, granted).

Where do both play? PSG.

Who owns PSG? Qatar.

Where is the tournament? Qatar.

Passing from the old to the new in the World Cup final would truly reflect the glory of Qatar- and perhaps by association, PSG.

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12 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Ah......can i just point out that the referee gave us the penalty...........he didn't take the penalty?  The reason on this occasion, that we got knocked out of the tournament was because we failed to take our opportunities, we have   no one to blame but ourselves.

Why he needed var to determine that was a penalty gods knows .

just goes to show how poor the officials / var officials have been right from the start 

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36 minutes ago, Robbored said:

All down to FIFA.

They hate us because we invented the beautiful game. England despite plenty of magnificent stadiums haven’t been awarded a WC since 1966………….:cool2:

The referees England have been allocated have been diabolical culminating in the Latino oaf we had tonight. It’s all part of wider plan to stop England winning the WC again.

We won’t win it once more until it’s held once again in the UK.

No. It's all down to ITV.

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14 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I know it won’t be a popular view but I think some of the reaction to the referee on here has been over the top. He wasn’t the reason we lost, and I think talk of plots and deliberate bias is ridiculous.

Let me say at the start that I don’t think he was great: he was inconsistent, never showed any real authority over the game, but in terms of the “big” decisions:

First French goal; the foul on Saka was a long way back and we had plenty of opportunity to stop what happened subsequently. Personally I thought it was a foul, but others (including on here) didn’t - and it was suggested that VAR would have looked at it - and if that’s the case then they decided not too.

First half penalty shout: again, I thought it was a foul, but arguably outside the box. I’d imagine VAR judged that to be the case, and so that decision was theirs, not the referees. He wasn’t given the opportunity to review it.

Second penalty: yes he missed it first time, but we don’t really know what his view/angle was. Today at Rotherham there was an almost identical barge into the back of a City player that went unpunished by the ref - and he didn’t have the benefit of VAR. In this instances the ref did have that benefit, took advantage of it, made the right decision. He didn’t give a red card because the attacking player didn’t have the ball under control so it wasn’t a clear goal scoring opportunity.

Overall, really frustrating because we were good enough to have won tonight, things just didn’t go for us. We matched one of the worlds best sides and on another day could have won. That’s massive strides from where we were  a decade  or less ago. And with young players who’ll only get better. 

But he was absolutely awful, no free kick for their goal, no free kick or pen on Kane, no pen given by him on mount, he gave it as he had made such a howler in the beginning, stopping the game for a non head injury, he was atrocious. 
 

There so much money in the game i also think it would be naive to not think some refs can’t be influenced. 

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4 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Blimey. We lost because we missed one of two penalties and missed a fair few good chances. Time to get over it RR

To support my conspiracy theory - there was a clear foul on Saka at the start of the move leading to the first goal - the Brazilian oaf failed to give anything. It should have been a free kick to England.

The two spot kicks were both stone walls but the second was awarded only by VaR - how could the referee not have seen such a blatant push?

It’s all part of FIFA’s plan to prevent us winning the ultimate prize in football.

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8 minutes ago, Alex_BCFC said:

It was a clear foul on Saka for first goal for them.

I thought ref was really poor - stopping game for non head injuries etc. But I don’t believe he was corrupt etc - just awful. 

I agree he wasn’t great, but awful is what we get at City, and he wasn’t that bad in my view. I thought it was a foul too, but others didn’t (including posts on here at the time) and presumably the VAR officials either didn’t think it a foul or didn’t think that the first goal was a direct consequence. So it wasn’t that clear cut.

7 minutes ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

But if the ref himself gives the foul on Saka, or the clear foul on Kane, from behind, in the box, it's a different game. England were done by the ref, not by var

As above. And you say ‘in the box’ as though that’s a given, but it was debateable. We don’t know what the view of the VAR officials was, but I’d guess that they were more likely to see the first touch as outside the box than to see there being no foul. 

Yes, we could have had two free kicks on another day, but that’s football. I’d still maintain that England were done not by the ref but by missing a penalty, by failing to force a goal from open play when they’d were on top, by allowing a world class centre forward to get in front of the defender. 

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1 minute ago, Rob k said:

But he was absolutely awful, no free kick for their goal, no free kick or pen on Kane, no pen given by him on mount, he gave it as he had made such a howler in the beginning, stopping the game for a non head injury, he was atrocious. 
 

There so much money in the game i also think it would be naive to not think some refs can’t be influenced. 

First two (free kicks) as above. Pen on Mount - he DID give it. Agree there was no need to stop for that injury. 

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2 minutes ago, Robbored said:

To support my conspiracy theory - there was a clear foul on Saka at the start of the move leading to the first goal - the Brazilian oaf failed to give anything. It should have been a free kick to England.

The two spot kicks were both stone walls but the second was awarded only by VaR - how could the referee not have seen such a blatant push?

It’s all part of FIFA’s plan to prevent us winning the ultimate prize in football.

Haha yeah course it is. If it makes it easier to think that then go ahead. 

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2 minutes ago, Rob k said:

But he was absolutely awful, no free kick for their goal, no free kick or pen on Kane, no pen given by him on mount, he gave it as he had made such a howler in the beginning, stopping the game for a non head injury, he was atrocious. 
 

There so much money in the game i also think it would be naive to not think some refs can’t be influenced. 

I agree that the ref was absolutely shocking. Got so much wrong. 
 

But corrupt? Not sure about that. We had our chances and didn’t take them. 

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1 minute ago, italian dave said:

First two (free kicks) as above. Pen on Mount - he DID give it. Agree there was no need to stop for that injury. 

He DIDNT give it though. He waved it away until VAR told him to check the monitor (told him he was wrong basically)

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The “blatant push” was pretty much identical to one at Rotherham today. Are we suggesting that ref was corrupt, paid etc. too

Refs don’t always get the best view of an incident like that - even the views we saw on TV (and we had the benefit of multiple views) looked far more convincing from some angles than others. And when he was given the opportunity to get a better view he gave it. 

We are beginning to come across like every sore losers. 

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6 minutes ago, glynriley said:

I agree that the ref was absolutely shocking. Got so much wrong. 
 

But corrupt? Not sure about that. We had our chances and didn’t take them. 

There’s corruption everywhere, i have no reason to belive football is exempt, betting syndicates etc 

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And then he gave it. So, I repeat, he DID give it. It was his decision. 

Naive. 
When a ref is told to go and look at the monitor, they always change their original decision. They’ve basically been told they got it wrong. 

Just now, Rob k said:

There’s corruption everywhere, i have no reason to belive football is exempt 

You may be right, I hope not but who knows. 

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16 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Were I a believer in the conspiracy side, I'd say that FIFA want a lot of shocks but ultimately.

Not the Messi v Ronaldo final that many state but France v Argentina aka Mbappe v Messi final.

Passing of the torch to the new greatest player from the last. (Arguable, granted).

Where do both play? PSG.

Who owns PSG? Qatar.

Where is the tournament? Qatar.

Passing from the old to the new in the World Cup final would truly reflect the glory of Qatar- and perhaps by association, PSG.

Just to add fuel to your flames @Mr Popodopolous I see the BBC are reporting that today a European Parliament VP has been arrested on suspicion of bribery by a Middle East state......take a wild guess at which country is being implicated?

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He couldn’t not have to be fair….he didn’t even get the chance to check the first Kane one either 

I’m not sure how VAR affects referees and their willingness to make calls like that immediately. They know that VAR will provide a second chance, so maybe, even if unconsciously, they’re more likely to pass on the immediate decision and leave it to VAR? I don’t know, just a thought. 

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2 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Naive. 
When a ref is told to go and look at the monitor, they always change their original decision. They’ve basically been told they got it wrong. 

 

But, it’s still the case that he did give it, which is what you’re trying to argue isn’t the case. 

See my comment above to Rob - I genuinely don’t know if it’s the case but wouldn’t be surprised. 

Andthat is the whole point of VAR, so let’s not complain when it does actually work. 

The ref doesn’t always have the best view ‘in the moment’ and there were angles on the TV replays of that incident that looked far less convincing than others. Like todays ref at Rotherham who made an identical call, perhaps that was the case here.

Just a thought - and I’d suggest that it’s a more likely explanation than that he was bribed. 

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54 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said:

Doesnt work like that though

If he gave the foul on Saka  Everything after that would have been different

I totally agree, but it's consequences .
Saka get's the foul and we don't go 1-0 down, plus we get a free kick in a threatening area. Where the game goes from there , who knows?
But that one decision makes a massive difference.

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1 minute ago, italian dave said:

But, it’s still the case that he did give it, which is what you’re trying to argue isn’t the case. 

See my comment above to Rob - I genuinely don’t know if it’s the case but wouldn’t be surprised. 

Andthat is the whole point of VAR, so let’s not complain when it does actually work. 

The ref doesn’t always have the best view ‘in the moment’ and there were angles on the TV replays of that incident that looked far less convincing than others. Like todays ref at Rotherham who made an identical call, perhaps that was the case here.

Just a thought - and I’d suggest that it’s a more likely explanation than that he was bribed. 

For clarity, I don’t think he was bribed. Just not very good. That decision was just one of many he got wrong. 

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For clarity, I don’t think he was bribed. Just not very good. That decision was just one of many he got wrong. 

Fair enough, and as I said initially, I didn’t think he was great either! 

Just out of interest, do you think VAR, and the knowledge that it’s there, might affect a referees inclination to give potentially controversial decision straight off? 

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1 minute ago, glynriley said:

For clarity, I don’t think he was bribed. Just not very good. That decision was just one of many he got wrong. 

I don't think all the blame can be put solely on the Ref, VAR is there to right, wrongs. They looked at the Saka free kick, at the Kane trip, as a unit they are not fit for purpose.

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Just now, italian dave said:

Fair enough, and as I said initially, I didn’t think he was great either! 

Just out of interest, do you think VAR, and the knowledge that it’s there, might affect a referees inclination to give potentially controversial decision straight off? 

Possibly, and the first penalty shout on Kane he’s probably right to let VAR have a look. 
 

But for me, the Mount one was is clear as day. Even my mrs looked over and said “that’s a penalty surely”

 

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1 minute ago, 1960maaan said:

I don't think all the blame can be put solely on the Ref, VAR is there to right, wrongs. They looked at the Saka free kick, at the Kane trip, as a unit they are not fit for purpose.

I know what you mean, but there’s probably a good reason why VAR can only alter goals, penalties etc and not other decisions? Where do you stop? Should they review every foul, every handball, every throw in and corner? That would certainly ruin the game. You could argue that any number of decisions during a game could have resulted in changing the course of the following few minutes and therefore the whole course of the game. I don’t know what the answer is. 

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I don’t think it’s quite as blatant as a conspiracy but FIFA definitely want to expand their reach and market.
Africa with its huge - but poor (but getting better educated and then richer..), populations are too big a market not to possibly ‘favour’ a few more bits of luck than they would normally get over the course of a game. 
It would also help balance the inequality of too many predominantly white European nations against the African nations who despite producing some amazing individual players over the years have not been seen to have been given the same opportunities at national team level?

Other than that we scored less goals than the French, bon nuit et au revoir?

 

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5 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I don't think all the blame can be put solely on the Ref, VAR is there to right, wrongs. They looked at the Saka free kick, at the Kane trip, as a unit they are not fit for purpose.

You could be right. My son texted me this after the Kane incident   He’s got a point I think…

Referees always make decisions that are easy for them, the penalty against us when we we’re winning 6 - 1 is nothing compared to that review but they give it because it doesn’t matter

 

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4 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Possibly, and the first penalty shout on Kane he’s probably right to let VAR have a look. 
 

But for me, the Mount one was is clear as day. Even my mrs looked over and said “that’s a penalty surely”

 

Yeah, I said much the same! But it’s sometimes the case that the ref doesn’t have the same view as we have, and there was certainly one angle on the replays where it looked far less obvious. I suppose at the end of the day we just have to recognise that at least the decision was right in the end (unlike at Rotherham - although that wasn’t in the box). Just a shame the penalty didn’t get the justice done. 

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Absolutely devastated. Thought we were the better team and we've been done yet again in a major tournament. Partially of course by our own errors, but also feel the ref / FIFA fancy a bit of France in the finale.  

I thought Southgate would leave after this tournament, and I still think he probably will. But there's a reality that there's maybe no-one better and he'll stay.

France are on the verge of winning three of the last six World Cups I think? Quite incredible 

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Always Believesham

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I don't agree there's an outright conspiracy but I do feel like there's both an arrogance from the English and an anti-English sentiment from officials that you see a glimpse of in every "big" game. When they collide it's incredibly stressful/frustrating to watch.

There were long periods where we didn't get a free-kick outside our own half tonight, unfortunate that the penalty (before the penalties) was outside the area. Hard to disagree that it was a foul though. The Saka one, mentioned, before the goal could have been given, but there also was at least one occasion where an England player was taken down and the tackle to win the ball back was penalised despite it being a perfectly good challenge.

Both penalties were stonewall in reality, only at Ashton Gate would you not see them given, and don't forget, he waved away the second one.

For what it's worth, I don't think we were that much worse than France that we needed 2 penalties to get anything in 90 minutes.

The game is the same across the world and it is as simple as having to score more goals than the opposition. We failed to do that tonight.

Although we weren't in control of the game, equalising wouldn't have been against the run of play.

Worse teams than that have won competitions. God it's like watching City.

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10 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I know what you mean, but there’s probably a good reason why VAR can only alter goals, penalties etc and not other decisions? Where do you stop? Should they review every foul, every handball, every throw in and corner? That would certainly ruin the game. You could argue that any number of decisions during a game could have resulted in changing the course of the following few minutes and therefore the whole course of the game. I don’t know what the answer is. 

I don't want them to check every little thing, but they were checking the foul on Saka. I thought that was obvious, and the challenge on Kane, again obvious . VAR through this Tournament has been very poor. 

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Gutted. I thought we played well and were the better side. A much better performance than the defeat by Italy. The players should be proud of their performance. But fine margins went against us. A great strike for their first goal after Saka was fouled, and we switched off for their second. 

It still feels like winning something is beyond us. 

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WolfOfWestStreet

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It's a real shame because we played really, really well against a fantastic opponent. 

The pathway was there for a world cup final appearance. Elite sport often comes down to tiny margins and it didn't roll out way this time.

This england team are a likeable bunch with great potential, not a time to be upset, the core of this team is really young we'll be back. 

I'd build around bellingham, foden, rice and Saka. Give jude the armband and go get that next euros.

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