Northern Red Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 30 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said: It's all about me Infantino. Wa nker He was even trying to hang on to the trophy as long as he could when Messi was clearly desperate to get his hands on it to lift it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Nice of Infantino to lend Messi his dressing gown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 16 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Nice of Infantino to lend Messi his dressing gown Harry Potters invisibility cloak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 it was irenes, she is santas surprise for the older boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, italian dave said: Didn’t he get one? Just before the 4th pen? Yes but thought he would have got one the pen before that when he threw the ball away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, RedEd73 said: Martinez is an absolute belter And a World Cup winner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, redkev said: Yes but thought he would have got one the pen before that when he threw the ball away Oh, see what you mean - yes I had the same thought. Maybe the ref just gave him a warning for that one? Either way, he’d surely not have been stupid enough to get a second one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChippenhamRed Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 2 hours ago, RedRock said: France looking on as Southgate, after 3 days of zero job offers from any Clubs, decides to remain as England manager ……… Talk me through Lionel Scaloni’s club management career. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChippenhamRed Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 I’m wondering where that game ranks amongst the all-time great football matches? 3-3, two late goals to force extra time, Mbappe hat trick, Messi dream story, endless incident and goalmouth action….and all in a World Cup final! Got to be right up there hasn’t it? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Talk me through Lionel Scaloni’s club management career. World Cup winning manager Joachim Low's club management career was hardly impressive either. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 6 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said: Talk me through Lionel Scaloni’s club management career. That's different because er....er....er....no you shut up. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 18, 2022 Author Share Posted December 18, 2022 On 15/11/2022 at 16:44, Super said: Be interesting to see people's predictions. Winners - France Top Scorer - Mbappe How far will England get - QF Well I was close! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 Great final. Hat trick from Mabappe and Messi almost gilding the lily with a WC win. I don't think i'll see another final like that for a while. I bet Lionel is dancing on the ceiling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 (edited) Argentinian team now parading the trophy around Lusail in open top bus. Al Jazeera live coverage. Edited December 18, 2022 by The Gasbuster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 3 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: Allow it for Aguero though. By all accounts that I've heard he's about 1,000x the man Terry is. Terry actually played a significant role in winning the trophy he lifted though, in fairness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted December 18, 2022 Share Posted December 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Gazred said: Great final. Hat trick from Mabappe and Messi almost gilding the lily with a WC win. I don't think i'll see another final like that for a while. I bet Lionel is dancing on the ceiling! Well not for at least another 4 years you won't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC RISK77 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 So pleased for Messi- Maradona was my football hero growing up and I never thought their would be another like him, I think Messi can now be called the greatest player of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 11 hours ago, ChippenhamRed said: I’m wondering where that game ranks amongst the all-time great football matches? 3-3, two late goals to force extra time, Mbappe hat trick, Messi dream story, endless incident and goalmouth action….and all in a World Cup final! Got to be right up there hasn’t it? Given what was at stake, it was the greatest match of all time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 I think that puts to bed the Messi and Ronaldo debate once and for all. The right player will be considered the greatest of this generation. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 At least Messi isn't an out and out cheat like Maradona so if people want to give him that title then it sits ok with me. This tournament Messi has literally walked through most of the games which is understandable but his balance on the ball seems to defy physics sometimes and the weight of pass is still sublime. I simply can't like south American teams though as the culture of diving and faking injuries is endemic and bad for the sport. For all the good skills Maradona had, that one bad moment completely undid everything. I admit being old school but that's just the way it is for me. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonGreat Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 On 26/11/2022 at 17:56, Malago said: There have been four truly great footballers in my lifetime. Pele, Beckenbauer, Cryuff and Maradona. Mbabbe is set to join that list. Messi is above all of those IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 51 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said: At least Messi isn't an out and out cheat like Maradona so if people want to give him that title then it sits ok with me. This tournament Messi has literally walked through most of the games which is understandable but his balance on the ball seems to defy physics sometimes and the weight of pass is still sublime. I simply can't like south American teams though as the culture of diving and faking injuries is endemic and bad for the sport. For all the good skills Maradona had, that one bad moment completely undid everything. I admit being old school but that's just the way it is for me. Spot on - i really struggle to even talk about Maradona and have hardly watched any of his games because of all that hand of god nonsense. And yes i realise Im immature and need to let it go 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: Messi is above all of those IMO I'm with @Malagoon this. Mbeppe's achievement was he lifted a sluggish and below-par France to the brink of glory. Messi was surrounded by great players yesterday. Di Maria, Mac Allister, Alvarez, Otamendi, Romero were all first class. Messi's an all-time great, but I abhor the media's obsession with making it all about him. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, Rob k said: Spot on - i really struggle to even talk about Maradona and have hardly watched any of his games because of all that hand of god nonsense. And yes i realise Im immature and need to let it go The run for his goal in that match everyone seemed afraid to touch him, surely a missed timed tackle would have only meant a free kick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 26 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: I'm with @Malagoon this. Mbeppe's achievement was he lifted a sluggish and below-par France to the brink of glory. Messi was surrounded by great players yesterday. Di Maria, Mac Allister, Alvarez, Otamendi, Romero were all first class. Messi's an all-time great, but I abhor the media's obsession with making it all about him. Really? France's squad is much more talented than Argentina's was yesterday. Varane (A multiple CL winner), Griezmann, Dembele, Giroud. I am shocked you think the players that Argentina had were better. France also were the current World Champions. Maybe the media's obsession with Messi is because of how great he is and has been for his whole career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, 2015 said: Really? France's squad is much more talented than Argentina's was yesterday. Varane (A multiple CL winner), Griezmann, Dembele, Giroud. I am shocked you think the players that Argentina had were better. France also were the current World Champions. Maybe the media's obsession with Messi is because of how great he is and has been for his whole career. They played below par - possibly as a result of not being fully over the MERS virus which swept the French camp. Giroud and Dembele were particularly off-colour and Varrane had to go off in extra time because he felt breathless. Griezmann was player of the tournament for me, but was subdued in the final and hence was subbed. Fair point, about Messi's extended career. Let's see where M'Beppe ranks in 12 years' time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 9 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: They played below par - possibly as a result of not being fully over the MERS virus which swept the French camp. Giroud and Dembele were particularly off-colour and Varrane had to go off in extra time because he felt breathless. Griezmann was player of the tournament for me, but was subdued in the final and hence was subbed. Fair point, about Messi's extended career. Let's see where M'Beppe ranks in 12 years' time. They played below par but had a team literally full of winners, compared to Argentina's lack of experience (Messi and Di Maria aside). Mbappe will need to move to La Liga or the Premier League for me and score at least 30 goals every season to be even compared to Ronaldo let alone Messi by the time he gets to their ages. You can spin it no matter however you want about Lionel Messi not being the greatest. The problem is, most of the Football world would disagree with you and most of its legends would too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheddarReds Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Greatest player of all time wins the trophy that's alluded him all these years to secure his status and legacy as the best to ever do it - I'm not surprised by the fuss! So happy for him, it was great to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, 2015 said: They played below par but had a team literally full of winners, compared to Argentina's lack of experience (Messi and Di Maria aside). Mbappe will need to move to La Liga or the Premier League for me and score at least 30 goals every season to be even compared to Ronaldo let alone Messi by the time he gets to their ages. You can spin it no matter however you want about Lionel Messi not being the greatest. The problem is, most of the Football world would disagree with you and most of its legends would too. Not what I was saying, mate. In that match alone, taking it singularly, as a one-off contest, I thought Mbeppe was the best performing player, yet all the commentary was about Messi and "his" world cup. Of course, he's one of the super-elite players who'll be talked about for all time. As good as Pelé? Possibly, but I can't say, not having been old enough for most of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, Red-Robbo said: Not what I was saying, mate. In that match alone, taking it singularly, as a one-off contest, I thought Mbeppe was the best performing player, yet all the commentary was about Messi and "his" world cup. Of course, he's one of the super-elite players who'll be talked about for all time. As good as Pelé? Possibly, but I can't say, not having been old enough for most of his career. Well of course it was about Messi and "his" World Cup. It was effectively his last match in a World Cup, the last chance for him to win the one trophy that has alluded him his whole career. Mbappe was excellent and almost spoiled the perfect story, but the story was about Messi. Mbappe will get another chance, Messi wouldn't have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: I'm with @Malagoon this. Mbeppe's achievement was he lifted a sluggish and below-par France to the brink of glory. Messi was surrounded by great players yesterday. Di Maria, Mac Allister, Alvarez, Otamendi, Romero were all first class. Messi's an all-time great, but I abhor the media's obsession with making it all about him. They do so because he is THE greatest. Messi will know that he owes a lot to those players surrounding him yesterday. But he makes headlines for his football. The media obsession takes nothing away from his ability. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, David Brent said: Messi will know that he owes a lot to those players surrounding him yesterday. But he makes headlines for his football. The media obsession takes nothing away from his ability. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, 2015 said: I think that puts to bed the Messi and Ronaldo debate once and for all. The right player will be considered the greatest of this generation. Yep. And while both do a lot of good for communities everywhere; one remains humble and a decent guy, while the other is an arse. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: Yep. And while both do a lot of good for communities everywhere; one remains humble and a decent guy, while the other is an arse. Humble, introverted, nice guy and just lets his football do the talking. I can't think of an individual who deserved the world cup win more than him, considering the amount of magical moments he has gave to Football over the years 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, The Gasbuster said: Yep. And while both do a lot of good for communities everywhere; one remains humble and a decent guy, while the other is a complete and utter arse. Sorry, but corrected that for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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AshtonGreat Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: I'm with @Malagoon this. Mbeppe's achievement was he lifted a sluggish and below-par France to the brink of glory. Messi was surrounded by great players yesterday. Di Maria, Mac Allister, Alvarez, Otamendi, Romero were all first class. Messi's an all-time great, but I abhor the media's obsession with making it all about him. I strongly dispute the suggestion that there have only ever been four truly great players. I’m sure the likes of Zidane, both Ronaldos and diStefano would have something to say about that. And to suggest that Messi isn’t a true great (the OP’s suggestion, not yours) is laughable. He’s the greatest ever, and he has the accolades to prove it. Mbappe did brilliantly yesterday and will undoubtedly be a great, but Messi was undoubtedly the talisman for this World Cup win, and at the age of 35 that’s an incredible achievement. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 1 hour ago, The Gasbuster said: Yep. And while both do a lot of good for communities everywhere; one remains humble and a decent guy, while the other is an arse. 1 hour ago, 2015 said: Humble, introverted, nice guy and just lets his football do the talking. I can't think of an individual who deserved the world cup win more than him, considering the amount of magical moments he has gave to Football over the years Whilst generally I agree, for balance, Messi was handed a suspended prison sentence for tax fraud, and he has also signed up to be an ambassador for the 2030 Saudi Arabia WC bid, which IMO isn't a great look, not to mention wholly unnecessary on his part given what he earns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 49 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said: I strongly dispute the suggestion that there have only ever been four truly great players. I’m sure the likes of Zidane, both Ronaldos and diStefano would have something to say about that. And to suggest that Messi isn’t a true great (the OP’s suggestion, not yours) is laughable. He’s the greatest ever, and he has the accolades to prove it. Mbappe did brilliantly yesterday and will undoubtedly be a great, but Messi was undoubtedly the talisman for this World Cup win, and at the age of 35 that’s an incredible achievement. Not a fan of Argentina or Messi but hard to disagree with that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Quite a bit in the media today about celebs trying to get a piece of the reflected limelight during the tournament and particularly after the final. There are so many hangers on at these events, I am fine with close family getting on the pitch afterwards but just when the players should be enjoying the moment and soaking up the atmosphere they get jostled by B list nobodies wanting a selfie and politicians wanting some good publicity. A bit like an F1 grid walk. I am not a tennis fan but they do a good job of thanking umpires and ball boys/girls rather than letting the celeb culture rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said: Quite a bit in the media today about celebs trying to get a piece of the reflected limelight during the tournament and particularly after the final. There are so many hangers on at these events, I am fine with close family getting on the pitch afterwards but just when the players should be enjoying the moment and soaking up the atmosphere they get jostled by B list nobodies wanting a selfie and politicians wanting some good publicity. A bit like an F1 grid walk. I am not a tennis fan but they do a good job of thanking umpires and ball boys/girls rather than letting the celeb culture rule. This one is the worst. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) On 18/12/2022 at 18:25, Lanterne Rouge said: We had a couple of games that used that IIRC, JPT or something like that. One in particular was a freezing night at AG, we all had to wait around for ages until the ET kicked off and City went and scored in the first bloody minute of it! Could have been home in the warm half an hour earlier if we`d done it in the 90th. I think I remember it, was not only freezing but a terrible game too! Earlyish in JPT. 1 minute, bang- Golden goal, game done. Mix it have been Torquay at home. Edited December 19, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 29 minutes ago, spudski said: This one is the worst. At the other end of the scale, that Moroccan player’s Mum will long be one of my fondest memories of the tournament. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) Was a great final and despite the obvious problems with the location itself and the reasons behind the tournament award, some good football, games, shocks while some fancied middle weights crsxhex out hence a clear surprise factor. Belgium, Denmark, Uruguay plus of course Germany! Best ever? I doubt although the final itself was perhaps up there. Old star Messi overcame the probable heir in Mbappe. One side note, can Infantino get lost with his tinkering? In some ways worse than Sepp ever was! 1) A 48 team World Cup? 80 games is too many, 50 pct more sides bound to dilute the quality though some of the so called lesser sides closed the gap quite well this time. 2) That tournament might entail 16 groups of 3, causing dead rubbers plus a possible repeat of West Germany v Austria 1982. 3) A 32 team Club World Club Cup. Really?? 4) Now he has a hope reportedly for a World Cup every THREE years, Matt Hughes reports tonight. Feeding into point 3. Thought the Confederations Cup was at times a good little tournament but clearly not. Messi v Ronaldo? Ronaldo has played in a wider range of Leagues but I've always preferred Messi just about, less ego plus seems I dunno lower centre of gravity, bit more technical perhaps. Edited December 19, 2022 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 It has occurred to me since the final that although I wanted France to win, by Messi playing such a key role and Argentina winning he will remove the gloss off of Maradona, a good thing. Those Argentinians who remember both will say to their children, yes Maradona was a great player but Messi did it the right way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 9 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said: It has occurred to me since the final that although I wanted France to win, by Messi playing such a key role and Argentina winning he will remove the gloss off of Maradona, a good thing. Those Argentinians who remember both will say to their children, yes Maradona was a great player but Messi did it the right way. Maradona was an absolute genius as well, probably now only 2nd behind Messi as the best ever. The worst thing about England fans are the ones who still go on about Maradona in 86 and can't appreciate his utter brilliance as a footballer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 I don't think I have seen anyone ever say they didn't appreciate Maradonna as a footballer, just those saying he was flawed. That is fair comment whether looking at photos of him claiming 'that goal' or his lifestyle in retirement. Such is the challenge of fame and many have suffered the down sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 10 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said: It has occurred to me since the final that although I wanted France to win, by Messi playing such a key role and Argentina winning he will remove the gloss off of Maradona, a good thing. Those Argentinians who remember both will say to their children, yes Maradona was a great player but Messi did it the right way. I don’t believe Argentinians will think that way. It’s a very English-centric way of looking at it, which is what’s reflected in loads of comments on here, and maybe not surprising but I think sometimes you have to try to step out from behind our own cultural norms and prejudices. On “that goal”: two things. Firstly, I heard something several years back that’s always stuck with me. In a tense local derby, would you prefer it if your team won with a) a brilliant individual goal, or b) a last minute scrappy but hotly disputed goal (offside, or an undeserved penalty)? Because in many cultures the answer most football fans would give is b). Because it winds up your rivals, makes them angry, makes them remember it, far far more so than a) would. And I kind of get that. Secondly, that match and that goal came barely 4 years after the Falklands War. So, for Argentinians, and for Maradona, it’s quite conceivable that it was the hand ball goal that was the most pleasurable. And the fact that it’s the one we English still remember, still get angry about, still remember that defeat by, probably makes the point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 minute ago, italian dave said: I don’t believe Argentinians will think that way. It’s a very English-centric way of looking at it, which is what’s reflected in loads of comments on here, and maybe not surprising but I think sometimes you have to try to step out from behind our own cultural norms and prejudices. On “that goal”: two things. Firstly, I heard something several years back that’s always stuck with me. In a tense local derby, would you prefer it if your team won with a) a brilliant individual goal, or b) a last minute scrappy but hotly disputed goal (offside, or an undeserved penalty)? Because in many cultures the answer most football fans would give is b). Because it winds up your rivals, makes them angry, makes them remember it, far far more so than a) would. And I kind of get that. Secondly, that match and that goal came barely 4 years after the Falklands War. So, for Argentinians, and for Maradona, it’s quite conceivable that it was the hand ball goal that was the most pleasurable. And the fact that it’s the one we English still remember, still get angry about, still remember that defeat by, probably makes the point. We were not a very good side in 1986. Previously England didn't qualify for Euro84 and were abysmal at the Euros in 88. English football in the 80s was still obsessed with physicality and height rather than actual technical ability. We were long ball merchants and a long way behind the rest of the World. I'm glad we lost to a 'little squat man' in 1986 as we were never good enough to win the World Cup back then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 7 minutes ago, 2015 said: We were not a very good side in 1986. Previously England didn't qualify for Euro84 and were abysmal at the Euros in 88. English football in the 80s was still obsessed with physicality and height rather than actual technical ability. We were long ball merchants and a long way behind the rest of the World. I'm glad we lost to a 'little squat man' in 1986 as we were never good enough to win the World Cup back then. All true. But to Argentines it wouldn’t have mattered if we were the best side in the world. What mattered was that we were England, and they beat us. And doing so courtesy of a goal that really really pissed us off, and still does 40 years later, made it even more special. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Open End Numb Legs said: I don't think I have seen anyone ever say they didn't appreciate Maradonna as a footballer, just those saying he was flawed. That is fair comment whether looking at photos of him claiming 'that goal' or his lifestyle in retirement. Such is the challenge of fame and many have suffered the down sides. Maradona was probably still a much more relatable character than Messi though to the average Argentinian on the street. Im not knocking the clean cut and ultra professionalism of Messi but Maradona was such a cult figure for that nation in a way i feel Messi isn’t quite in the same way - maybe its a generational thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spudski Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Does anyone else find this ***** repulsive and hate everything he stands for? Just a shame so many are so shallow, easily influenced and support his ' Empire'. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open End Numb Legs Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 I had never heard of him before, hopefully that means my life is on the right track. I would like to know why he was allowed access to the pitch and players by Fifa. What is the relevance? There are so many other people more deserving than a self publicist that could have enjoyed these moments in Qatar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said: I had never heard of him before, hopefully that means my life is on the right track. I would like to know why he was allowed access to the pitch and players by Fifa. What is the relevance? There are so many other people more deserving than a self publicist that could have enjoyed these moments in Qatar. He's allegedly big friends with another dick...Infantino...his Instagram is pure bile. The video with him and royalty is stomach churning. It's everything I hate about corporate football. https://www.instagram.com/nusr_et/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, spudski said: He's allegedly big friends with another dick...Infantino...his Instagram is pure bile. The video with him and royalty is stomach churning. It's everything I hate about corporate football. https://www.instagram.com/nusr_et/ Popularity by 30 second videos that went viral mainly during the 2018 world cup by doing his silly 'salt bae' routine. How shallow and sad. Also found the 'organised fun' that FIFA had pretty much arranged for the awards ceremony was corporatism gone mad. Just give them the trophy and let them get on with it, why does it all have to be so organised 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 49 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said: I had never heard of him before, hopefully that means my life is on the right track. I would like to know why he was allowed access to the pitch and players by Fifa. What is the relevance? There are so many other people more deserving than a self publicist that could have enjoyed these moments in Qatar. Who is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northsomersetred Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Open End Numb Legs said: I had never heard of him before, hopefully that means my life is on the right track. I would like to know why he was allowed access to the pitch and players by Fifa. What is the relevance? There are so many other people more deserving than a self publicist that could have enjoyed these moments in Qatar. Glad i'm not the only one, didn't have a clue who he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, italian dave said: Who is he? Just going to ask the same thing Dave. Not a clue who the no mark is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, italian dave said: Who is he? Just looked it up, he's called Salt Bae, whoever Salt Bae is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Ska Junkie said: Just looked it up, he's called Salt Bae, whoever Salt Bae is. Ah yes of course !! .............who ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, BigTone said: Ah yes of course !! .............who ? Is he the bloke that cooks steak and then let's salt roll down his arm onto it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted December 20, 2022 Author Share Posted December 20, 2022 Why was he even on the pitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 So many questions….so few answers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, italian dave said: So many questions….so few answers! He's financed by one of Turkeys richest and most influential people. Ferit Sahenk, the Dogus Group. He and another financed his restaurant 'empire'...designed to attract the powerful and wealthy. He (Ferit) is part of the World Economic Forum and has 'Swiss' interest/business/ education/connection. As does Infantino. Infantino has property and 'connection' in Qatar. Qatar 'business' are interested in buying into Sahenk's Restaurant group for millions...which will lead to further connection and profit/ influence/ power. That's the connection, and why Salt Bae was being introduced to Royalty and Politicians and prominent people of influence. Although he's now made millions himself from shares in the business...it's obvious he's just a ' face/pawn being used to gain money, power and wealth, as well as further connections. Imo...he's a smoke screen for other interests shall we say. Edited December 20, 2022 by spudski 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Open End Numb Legs Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 12 hours ago, northsomersetred said: Looks classless gloating over Mbappe, perhaps he should remember who put 3 goals past him in the game. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northsomersetred Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said: Looks classless gloating over Mbappe, perhaps he should remember who put 3 goals past him in the game. Penalties don't count, Geoff is still the only player with a hat trick in the final 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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