Dolman_Stand Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: In respect of Bentley perhaps I'm being unduly pessimistic but anyway. It feels optimistic that a player who cannot getinto a lower midtable Championship side, was upgraded by Brentford in 2019, and who now has 6 months left on his deal will be picked up in January by a PL side. The transfer market can be highly random at times but I don't really see it. It's quite common these days for PL clubs to help meet their quota of English players by having a relatively cheap English 2nd/3rd choice keeper on the books. If Bentley went there on 15/20k a week on a 3 year deal it wouldn't break the bank for them and he would be a more than able deputy if called upon for cup games and to cover injuries 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 On 04/01/2023 at 21:26, chinapig said: @Davefevshas covered the inherited wages point. I get your argument but I think it depends on what Gould meant. My reading is that we need players to deliver performances that justify the wage we pay them, which is a little different from your reading. It certainly means reducing the wage bill and recruiting better either way. I've spoken to Gould about this precise point. "Value on the pitch" is a bit of both what you and @Harry are saying. Gould's view on it is that you need as much of your wage bill playing as much as possible. Otherwise why are you paying them? To achieve you need a sensible wage structure with carefully allotted wages. He would say that yes you should play your expensive players as much as you can, but before you do that you should be carefully choosing who gets those high wages. It's that second part that wasn't happening under Ashton, and so we ended up with players like Palmer and at certain times Wells. Naturally you cannot always achieve this as things like injuries (Kalas) and managers discretion (see Bentley) might detail it. But basically the idea is to structure wages properly, be honest with players about potential minutes and therefore fair wages, and to have a clear idea from the manager about how much players will play. In that way we can try to get our "£ on the pitch" as Gould said to me. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: In respect of Bentley perhaps I'm being unduly pessimistic but anyway. It feels optimistic that a player who cannot getinto a lower midtable Championship side, was upgraded by Brentford in 2019, and who now has 6 months left on his deal will be picked up in January by a PL side. The transfer market can be highly random at times but I don't really see it. I mean the biggest club in the world just signed Jack Butland, he struggled in the championship with Stoke big time. Don’t think it’s that unlikely Palace pick up Bentley for back up. It would be pretty identical to what they did with Butland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Dolman_Stand said: It's quite common these days for PL clubs to help meet their quota of English players by having a relatively cheap English 2nd/3rd choice keeper on the books. If Bentley went there on 15/20k a week on a 3 year deal it wouldn't break the bank for them and he would be a more than able deputy if called upon for cup games and to cover injuries I’m not sure there is a quota on “English players”, is there? Homegrown ones, so through the Academy system maybe? I have no idea if Palace plan to promote some kid to 3rd choice or look at making a signing, but this isn’t the most far fetched suggestion on here by a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: I've spoken to Gould about this precise point. "Value on the pitch" is a bit of both what you and @Harry are saying. Gould's view on it is that you need as much of your wage bill playing as much as possible. Otherwise why are you paying them? To achieve you need a sensible wage structure with carefully allotted wages. He would say that yes you should play your expensive players as much as you can, but before you do that you should be carefully choosing who gets those high wages. It's that second part that wasn't happening under Ashton, and so we ended up with players like Palmer and at certain times Wells. Naturally you cannot always achieve this as things like injuries (Kalas) and managers discretion (see Bentley) might detail it. But basically the idea is to structure wages properly, be honest with players about potential minutes and therefore fair wages, and to have a clear idea from the manager about how much players will play. In that way we can try to get our "£ on the pitch" as Gould said to me. Thanks, impressive as ever from Gould. I'm missing him already! I do sometimes wonder where we would be now if we had had him, Pearson and Tinnion in charge 3 or 4 years ago <sigh>. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 30 minutes ago, chinapig said: Thanks, impressive as ever from Gould. I'm missing him already! I do sometimes wonder where we would be now if we had had him, Pearson and Tinnion in charge 3 or 4 years ago <sigh>. Might even be 9th in the Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Might even be 9th in the Championship. But not in massive debt! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Bentley to Palace isn't that far fetched, Leicester have Alex Smithies as their third choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Yeah I suppose so, thanks for the answers just a bit sceptical of it. Smithies and Butland have PL experience too- does Bentley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 5 hours ago, GrahamC said: I’m not sure there is a quota on “English players”, is there? Homegrown ones, so through the Academy system maybe? I have no idea if Palace plan to promote some kid to 3rd choice or look at making a signing, but this isn’t the most far fetched suggestion on here by a long way. 99% sure there is a homegrown quota which means that you need a certain quantity of players in your squad that were trained in the UK for something like 4 years before there 21st birthday, doesn't have to necessarily be within your own academy though just within the UK. That's why Scott Carson is still at Man City, Butland now at United, Rob Green did it at Chelsea I think too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 35 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said: 99% sure there is a homegrown quota which means that you need a certain quantity of players in your squad that were trained in the UK for something like 4 years before there 21st birthday, doesn't have to necessarily be within your own academy though just within the UK. That's why Scott Carson is still at Man City, Butland now at United, Rob Green did it at Chelsea I think too. Thanks, so that’s UK (not English) then & say the likes of Chelsea or Man City have a Spanish or French player who has been with them since they’ve 16, presumably they come under this category too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 7 hours ago, ExiledAjax said: I've spoken to Gould about this precise point. "Value on the pitch" is a bit of both what you and @Harry are saying. Gould's view on it is that you need as much of your wage bill playing as much as possible. Otherwise why are you paying them? To achieve you need a sensible wage structure with carefully allotted wages. He would say that yes you should play your expensive players as much as you can, but before you do that you should be carefully choosing who gets those high wages. It's that second part that wasn't happening under Ashton, and so we ended up with players like Palmer and at certain times Wells. Naturally you cannot always achieve this as things like injuries (Kalas) and managers discretion (see Bentley) might detail it. But basically the idea is to structure wages properly, be honest with players about potential minutes and therefore fair wages, and to have a clear idea from the manager about how much players will play. In that way we can try to get our "£ on the pitch" as Gould said to me. Well articulated. 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: Thanks, so that’s UK (not English) then & say the likes of Chelsea or Man City have a Spanish or French player who has been with them since they’ve 16, presumably they come under this category too? Here’s City’s status: Kalas, despite coming over young, spent loan periods abroad so didn’t meet the reqs of been home grown. Whereas Weimann did. Naismith doesn’t because he was in Scotland, Atkinson in France! Yesterday Massengo is club developed!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 On 04/01/2023 at 18:39, Harry said: On 04/01/2023 at 13:48, Kid in the Riot said: Have a feeling Martin has been offered a contract on a player/coach kinda wage i.e. very low. FFS - really!! Ditto!!! This has to be wrong! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Gould's view on it is that you need as much of your wage bill playing as much as possible 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: He would say that yes you should play your expensive players as much as you can, Crackpot logic - imo. Football is played on grass(mostly!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RED4LIFE Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Son of Fred said: Crackpot logic - imo. Football is played on grass(mostly!) In football as in life, money does not maketh the man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Son of Fred said: Crackpot logic - imo. Football is played on grass(mostly!) Not sure the second of those was my quotes Not that it matters…crackpot logic indeed, as per my reply near the top of this page (3). Edited January 7, 2023 by Davefevs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Well articulated. Here’s City’s status: Kalas, despite coming over young, spent loan periods abroad so didn’t meet the reqs of been home grown. Whereas Weimann did. Naismith doesn’t because he was in Scotland, Atkinson in France! Yesterday Massengo is club developed!!! If someone had set me "which seven Bristol City players don't count as homegrown under league requirements?", I'd have failed to get at least three of them correct! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said: If someone had set me "which seven Bristol City players don't count as homegrown under league requirements?", I'd have failed to get at least three of them correct! Hahaha, crazy innit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Son of Fred said: Crackpot logic - imo. Football is played on grass(mostly!) I think you are misunderstanding what Richard Gould is saying. He doesn't mean you should be playing your most expensive players, he means the players on the pitch should be your best earners. In other words, not having players coming in on a good wage just to pick up the money. Even on a home grown level we seem to have made mistakes, we have players like Morton, Moore and maybe even Edwards, whom we seem to have put on such good contracts that they don't want to sign for other clubs. They are happy taking our shilling, until their contract runs out. It's about value for money, we never got it from Palmer, and many others so I don't think it's crackpot logic at all. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 12 hours ago, Son of Fred said: Crackpot logic - imo. Football is played on grass(mostly!) It's financed on paper though. There's a relationship between the two things, and that's what "get your £ on the pitch" describes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) Seen the odd Tweet from the Stoke end linking Bentley with them. Edited January 8, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Seen the odd Tweet from the Stoke end linking Bentley with them. They are chasing a keeper. They were linked with Iversen from Leicester. But they are not keen to let him out. Bentley would make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-bristol-city-captain-8013595 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 49 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stoke-city-bristol-city-captain-8013595 Backs up with a few of us have heard. Two things, maybe it’s just me but why does the reporter here say Stoke are “likely” to make a contribution towards his wages? There is zero point in this for us in this otherwise, a very negative slant. Secondly be interested to see if we replace him or simply promote Bajic to back up, guess it will be the latter. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Backs up with a few of us have heard. Two things, maybe it’s just me but why does the reporter here say Stoke are “likely” to make a contribution towards his wages? There is zero point in this for us in this otherwise, a very negative slant. Secondly be interested to see if we replace him or simply promote Bajic to back up, guess it will be the latter. Bents on loan to them & josh Laurent on loan to us …… I’d take that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Secondly be interested to see if we replace him or simply promote Bajic to back up, guess it will be the latter. Would have thought that if Bentley goes we stick with O'Leary and Bajic as 1 and 2, with Wiles-Richards the number 3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Even if it gets half of his wages off the books for the rest of the season, it will help. it might give us some scope for a loan signing. Bajic was signed as a future Number 1. So it makes sense to promote him to the match day squad. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFCGav Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 33 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Backs up with a few of us have heard. Two things, maybe it’s just me but why does the reporter here say Stoke are “likely” to make a contribution towards his wages? There is zero point in this for us in this otherwise, a very negative slant. Secondly be interested to see if we replace him or simply promote Bajic to back up, guess it will be the latter. I was thinking the same Graham. They have to pay a loan fee or help out with wages, or we're literally just strengthening a rival with no incentive for us. I like to think 'likely to contribute to his wages' should read 'WILL contribute to his wages', or I'd tell them to sod off. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 45 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Would have thought that if Bentley goes we stick with O'Leary and Bajic as 1 and 2, with Wiles-Richards the number 3. Don’t know what’s going on with Wiles-Richards, after 1 game for Hereford he hasn’t featured again. Not sure if he picked up a knock or they didn’t rate him, we do have Buse (down at Yeovil) as well, of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Loaning out our best keeper. Bad business. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 6 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Loaning out our best keeper. Bad business. He isn't that much better than Max, if at all, to warrant his cost to us. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Carey 6 said: Loaning out our best keeper. Bad business. Or, loaning out a player on very high wages, demanding even higher wages for a new deal, who isn’t even in the first 11. Loan out one not playing, to help fund us loaning one in who can improve us. 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Port Said Red said: He isn't that much better than Max, if at all, to warrant his cost to us. I think he is a lot better. 2 minutes ago, petehinton said: Or, loaning out a player on very high wages, demanding even higher wages for a new deal, who isn’t even in the first 11. Loan out one not playing, to help fund us loaning one in who can improve us. I hope that is the case, because imo O'Leary isn't good enough. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Just now, Carey 6 said: I think he is a lot better. I hope that is the case, because imo O'Leary isn't good enough. OK whatever, can't be bothered to bite, luckily your opinion doesn't effect what's going to happen. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, petehinton said: Or, loaning out a player on very high wages, demanding even higher wages for a new deal, who isn’t even in the first 11. Loan out one not playing, to help fund us loaning one in who can improve us. Absolutely, the penny still hasn’t dropped for some, has it? How do they suggest we fund strengthening the squad otherwise? We can’t start February with our current one & be confident of easily avoiding the bottom three. We have players like HNM happy to sit their current deal out, if we can move any on in order to facilitate change it can only be a good thing. Edited January 11, 2023 by GrahamC 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dredd Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Without this igniting the whole Bentley vs Max debate for the millionth time, this is good business. He isn't playing, he isn't going to get back into the team, he's a high earner, we have Bajic as backup. Makes perfect logical and financial sense. Good deal. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 2 hours ago, GrahamC said: Don’t know what’s going on with Wiles-Richards, after 1 game for Hereford he hasn’t featured again. Not sure if he picked up a knock or they didn’t rate him, we do have Buse (down at Yeovil) as well, of course. Ah forgot that Wiles-Richards had gone on loan. Casa-Grande is a keeper as well isn't he? Perhaps we're not quite as well stocked in the youth goalkeeper dept as I remembered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 8 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: Ah forgot that Wiles-Richards had gone on loan. Casa-Grande is a keeper as well isn't he? Perhaps we're not quite as well stocked in the youth goalkeeper dept as I remembered. And Buse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Don't strengthen a rival 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Banjo Red said: Don't strengthen a rival Very much get the sentiment but without some fresh income, or cost savings it's unlikely we will be able to strengthen ourselves. Rather Bentley than Scott or Semenyo as of right now. Edited January 11, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 26 minutes ago, Banjo Red said: Don't strengthen a rival Im not sure we are strengthening them if he was to go there. He talks a good game, but when it comes to actually doing it on the pitch hes very up and down. I thought we were getting one of the best keepers in the championship when he signed, but hes average, and gets paid too much money for it. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: Im not sure we are strengthening them if he was to go there. He talks a good game, but when it comes to actually doing it on the pitch hes very up and down. I thought we were getting one of the best keepers in the championship when he signed, but hes average, and gets paid too much money for it. Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 07/01/2023 at 12:44, Ronnie Sinclair said: Bentley to Palace isn't that far fetched, Leicester have Alex Smithies as their third choice It is because it’s not even a rumour, someone just made a guess because palace have lost a keeper. Why would Bentley, at 29 in his prime, want to sit on a bench as 3rd choice? Carson, Butland etc at least have gone to teams that win silverware. Butland hasn’t been the same since injury, shame as he was going into a World Cup probably as number one. 3 hours ago, Port Said Red said: He isn't that much better than Max, if at all, to warrant his cost to us. Bentley was a future England keeper according to some on here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshtonRobin21 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Just tried doing a stats check on Bentleys time with us, I got the following: 142 appearances (all comps) 30 clean sheets 188 goals conceded. Just for comparison, over the same time period: Bartosz Bialkowski (Millwall) 154 appearances 51 clean sheets 161 goals conceded. It may not seem like a huge difference from a statistical perspective. But it highlights the small margins that make the difference in this division. Millwall aren’t a team that score lots of goals, but their stable defence and keeper are what makes them a top half team each year. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Carey 6 said: Loaning out our best keeper. Bad business. Loaning out a high earner who isn't playing, who's about to leave on a free, who's a marginal (at best) improvement over the current number 1...sensible business 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I’d rather we cash in on him but realistically he’s behind O’Leary and for me rightly so. Should still free up wages for a new player if needs be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I don’t think either Bentley or Max are good keepers at this level - probably about same ability wise. Basically if one costs a lot more than the other and they are of same ability then it’s a no brainer to get rid. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 8 hours ago, Carey 6 said: Loaning out our best keeper. Bad business. Frees up wages 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednotblue Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I think it is far more of the case the club want to do some business in January and need to free up wages. It just happens to be Bentley who another club want. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabledRobin Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 6 hours ago, AshtonRobin21 said: Bartosz Bialkowski (Millwall) 154 appearances 51 clean sheets 161 goals conceded. A keeper that should’ve been on our radar since his Notts County days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 16 minutes ago, FabledRobin said: A keeper that should’ve been on our radar since his Notts County days Always remember him from the 3-2 win at Ipswich, he threw one into the net & didn’t do much better with Paterson’s goal, either. Might have been a one off, of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 27 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Always remember him from the 3-2 win at Ipswich, he threw one into the net & didn’t do much better with Paterson’s goal, either. Might have been a one off, of course. Erratic keeper. Brilliant some days, not so others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 I really hope Bentley gets a loan move, for his sake as much as ours. I think the club's approach is the right one, in that he was in poor form when he was dropped, he is likely to be on a salary well above what we'd now want to pay and we need to find out whether O'Leary can be number one or not. However I also do think he is our best keeper and, whilst inconsistent, he's demonstrated a considerably better level of performance at his best than O'Leary has to date. I also don't think he's done a huge amount wrong - he had a couple of poor performances but I don't think they would have warranted dropping him were his contract situation different. I support the club's approach as I think it better for us in the long-term but I think he is a victim of circumstances as much as anything and it's obviously in his interests as much as ours for him to go somewhere where he can play. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 11/01/2023 at 13:11, AshtonRobin21 said: Just tried doing a stats check on Bentleys time with us, I got the following: 142 appearances (all comps) 30 clean sheets 188 goals conceded. Just for comparison, over the same time period: Bartosz Bialkowski (Millwall) 154 appearances 51 clean sheets 161 goals conceded. It may not seem like a huge difference from a statistical perspective. But it highlights the small margins that make the difference in this division. Millwall aren’t a team that score lots of goals, but their stable defence and keeper are what makes them a top half team each year. Absolutely agree. I’d rather have a tight defence right now than free flowing 3-3 draws or 4-2 defeats week in week out. If we can tighten up in January we will finish comfortably mid table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nigel-pearson-dan-bentley-future-8024192 Quote He didn't deny Stoke's interest in Bentley but questioned whether they will receive an offer in the region of what they were looking for. When asked if they would consider moving on the club captain should a serious offer come in, he replied: "It all depends on what you call a serious offer. "You would be very, very surprised by what clubs deem to be reasonable offers. We will only move players if it’s in our interest to do it or if we feel it’s a fair situation.” Pearson was wary about leaving his goalkeeper department short should they sanction the move. While O'Leary looks nailed on to keep the No1 shirt, Bajic's lack of experience despite his impressive form for the Under-21s could prove problematic. Will Buse and Harvey Wiles-Richards are also out on loan. “What we don’t want to do is leave ourselves short either,” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 35 minutes ago, Northern Red said: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/nigel-pearson-dan-bentley-future-8024192 Pearson talking in riddles again. So, we are prepared to let him go if the price is right. But we have to be careful not to leave ourselves short. But we’re prepared to leave ourselves short if we get a good enough offer. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 8 hours ago, LondonBristolian said: I really hope Bentley gets a loan move, for his sake as much as ours. I think the club's approach is the right one, in that he was in poor form when he was dropped, he is likely to be on a salary well above what we'd now want to pay and we need to find out whether O'Leary can be number one or not. However I also do think he is our best keeper and, whilst inconsistent, he's demonstrated a considerably better level of performance at his best than O'Leary has to date. I also don't think he's done a huge amount wrong - he had a couple of poor performances but I don't think they would have warranted dropping him were his contract situation different. I support the club's approach as I think it better for us in the long-term but I think he is a victim of circumstances as much as anything and it's obviously in his interests as much as ours for him to go somewhere where he can play. I’m not sure, that Birmingham display was shambolic, a keeper has to be better than that for the reported money he’s on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Harry said: Pearson talking in riddles again. So, we are prepared to let him go if the price is right. But we have to be careful not to leave ourselves short. But we’re prepared to leave ourselves short if we get a good enough offer. 1 hour ago, Percy Pig said: But if the offer is good enough then we have room to add to the squad and therefore not be left short? That doesn't seem too complicated? Yep pretty clear as @Percy Pig says. If you want him, pay what we're after, otherwise do one, he'll sit on our bench. If Pearson came out and said "Dan's not going to play for us again unless everyone else is struck down with a virus" or something which implies we're not that fussed now, then any potential offer is going to be well short of what we would be prepared to accept. By saying we're not going to let him go and leave us with no/fewer backup(s), you may as well be saying "you can have him for nothing". Edited January 12, 2023 by Taz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Linked with wolves now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said: Linked with wolves now Is that like, how much is Scott? 25m Ok can't afford that, who else have you got? What about Bentley, he's cheap 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshbristol Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 17 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said: Linked with wolves now Source ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, joshbristol said: Source ? https://www.givemesport.com/88103716-wolves-wolverhampton-wanderers-daniel-bentley-goalkeeper-julen-lopetegui-premier-league-transfer-rumours-molineux/amp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Makes a lot of sense & would also presumably be on a permanent basis. Sarkic, their back up keeper is very inexperienced & Bentley seems an ideal, low cost (for a Prem side) understudy. Probably best all round for this to happen now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 7 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said: https://www.givemesport.com/88103716-wolves-wolverhampton-wanderers-daniel-bentley-goalkeeper-julen-lopetegui-premier-league-transfer-rumours-molineux/amp That is a great article, so much speculation without much base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 4 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Makes a lot of sense & would also presumably be on a permanent basis. Sarkic, their back up keeper is very inexperienced & Bentley seems an ideal, low cost (for a Prem side) understudy. Probably best all round for this to happen now. I second that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Robin Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) Our Player Of The Season not long time ago, so in normal circumstances I would have no doubts about keeping him and playing him instead of Max. However, our situation is really complicated at the moment, so difficult choices are required: with three goalkeepers available and the short lenght of his contract, I see the logic in this potential move... Edited January 12, 2023 by Dan Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Percy Pig said: But if the offer is good enough then we have room to add to the squad and therefore not be left short? That doesn't seem too complicated? So if we get a good offer for Bentley and we let him go, you think we’ll be signing another goalkeeper? We already signed his replacement; Bajic. If he’s not ready to be the number 2 in February why would he be ready by August? We knew Bentley would be leaving this summer, so Bajic is already in the building to be the number 2. Can’t see us signing another keeper even if we got £5m for Bentley! Ergo - Pearson talking in riddles. “We want him to leave, but we don’t want to be left short, unless we get a good offer”. What a load of baloney. We need the money, we need to release the wages. Do the deal and trust in your own recruitment of Bajic to be your number 2 keeper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Very small sample size but Wolves fans don't seem too enthusiastic but will look further not that they would get much say- not wildly against but a bit meh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fpcity Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 On 12/01/2023 at 03:28, GrahamC said: Always remember him from the 3-2 win at Ipswich, he threw one into the net & didn’t do much better with Paterson’s goal, either. Might have been a one off, of course. Pretty sure that season I saw him have a fair few shockers. Being at Millwall with a strong defence in front of him helps a lot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I think Bentley has been an excellent servant to us these last few years and earned us many, many more points than he’s cost us. I think this’ll be a “don’t know what you’ve got til it’s gone” moment. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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