BrizzleRed Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, gl2 said: Would be nice, stand at front, stand at back, walk around stand/lean where-ever you want, smoke, drink, swear even agrovate the visiting fans; now all thats missing is a nice pair of slippers under your seat. Yes nice ground now apparrently but we have no control over who uses it, sorry but dont like what we have become, part of something else i.m.o; rightly or not, its just how I feel. Can’t argue with any of that tbh. Football has certainly changed and whilst some things have improved, there’s much that makes me feel increasingly distanced from the club. The sad thing is, there’s little sign of that situation improving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Yes let's give Mark the benefit of the doubt. I'm sure he only had his pants pulled down once of twice, by a agent, are you being serious Percy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Just out of interest does anyone agree with me every lower leauge signing the jury is still out on? To be diplomatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, gl2 said: How many games must a "loyal supporter" have attended, 1 a 100 a 1000? home or away? or both? must a loyal supporter also not question any result/team selection/managers ability/record? or heaven forbid any choice the big boss makes? What is your record by the way last man out first man in, going by your username.? I'm a supporter of the club. I support Bristol City. I don't leave the games when we're losing, nor do I boo the team when they make a mistake. Why? Because I'm there to support the team - to encourage them, to make the atmosphere more hostile/difficult for the opposition, and to take an interest in the events of the match and club. This doesn't suddenly change because we're 1-0 down and not playing very well. I struggle to understand it when people don't view supporting their team in this way, but everyone is entitled to an opinion. I'm not suggesting my view is any more valid than yours or anyone else's. And I agree that it's important to question the players/manager/owner - IMO that's an element of taking an interest and caring about the club. Surely though, you must see the irony in some fans treating their support and relationship with the club as purely transactional (i.e. if you're not winning/entertaining me then I'm not coming/supporting you), and then complaining that they're being treated as customers instead of fans? 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, BrizzleRed said: Can’t argue with any of that tbh. Football has certainly changed and whilst some things have improved, there’s much that makes me feel increasingly distanced from the club. The sad thing is, there’s little sign of that situation improving. @gl2 Not necessarily the clubs fault that, that's part of the wider environment changes both in the game itself and government legislation. Having said that some clubs probably buy into it more than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miah Dennehy Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Port Said Red said: I honestly don't know what they mean by "we want our club back". What examples can anyone give? Just one of those hackneyed old phrases that crop up every time a group with no actual argument comes up with. On a par with 'We want our country back' leading up to the Brexit vote. For every City fan wanting Lansdown out, there will be 10 fans of other clubs saying 'we'll have him if you don't want him' 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 A poster said here the other Day it's what happens on the pitch that really matters. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Port Said Red said: Well that's interesting because I am convinced that the same type of fans then with social media access, would have forced Alan Dicks out of this club before he completed his work. I believe what we are seeing is the reason why Managers don't usually plan for a future beyond the length of their contract. It's clear that what the board want from Pearson and what the fans expect are at odds, mainly because most fans aren't privy to what's happening behind the scenes. I don't think many on this board would if it weren't for the likes of @Davefevs, @Mr Popodopolous et al. I saw a tweet the other day possibly from one of these types of characters. Having a go at Pearson for not buying anyone and SL for not getting his chequebook out -clueless 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banjo Red Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: A poster said here the other Day it's what happens on the pitch that really matters. Spot on. Agree partly with what you are saying but equally look at the mess we are in now because of the off the pitch antics. It pains me when you see others strengthening and we just look like we are hoping for the best. Obviously no money equals no transfers but what we have isn't the greatest quality in squad depth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said: For every City fan wanting Lansdown out, there will be 10 fans of other clubs saying 'we'll have him if you don't want him' It's all relative though. Lansdown is a good owner, but he has reached his limit. I don't expect us to ever really be more than a mid table Championship club under Lansdown. He hasn't got the motivation or skills to take us to the next level. He is therefore better than a lot of other clubs owners, but not everything is black and white. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: A poster said here the other Day it's what happens on the pitch that really matters. Spot on. 4 minutes ago, Banjo Red said: Agree partly with what you are saying but equally look at the mess we are in now because of the off the pitch antics. It pains me when you see others strengthening and we just look like we are hoping for the best. Obviously no money equals no transfers but what we have isn't the greatest quality in squad depth. And so you see how everything that happens on the pitch is dependent upon what happens off it. Bad management of the books means no money in the transfer market means we sell our best players and buy worse and so have a weaker squad and so lose games. Get it right off the pitch and you drastically increase your chances of getting it right on the pitch. Edited January 10, 2023 by ExiledAjax 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Supersonic Robin said: "We're bottom of the league due to our points deduction and STILL haven't signed anyone this January! We're sleepwalking towards relegation! Lansdown get your wallet out and show some bloody ambition........2 quality Championship strikers, an experienced midfielder on loan from the Prem, and a solid CB all needed as a MINIMUM!" Was that the tweet Geoff read out last night? Sounds like it. Arghhhhhhh! 1 hour ago, Bristol Rob said: Obviously a lot of flak in the direction of Ashton, Lansdown and various others as to our current financial state but.... Imagine a world without covid and where the transfer market didn't implode to the degree it did. Would the club have 'cashed in' some of the assets before the were at end of contract and leaving on a free and if they had, would they have still been about promoting youth players or would they have just spent and gone again in a hope that they'd have found a few more players to profit from? As a business model, it was always flawed, but I do wonder that if the rug had been pulled out from under the leadership spend and sell policy when it did, could we be in a much worse situation where we'd have continued to sign players for strong money on large salaries and hope that every year there is a multi-million pound trasfer that balances the books. We were quite possibly a window or two away from being in an even worse position. If the transfer market didn’t implode I believe we would’ve got some fees for the players we let go OOC, or those coming up to going OOC. But we’d also have carried on paying £20k p.w wages, spending money on players, and still be making losses far bigger than we ought to. The quality of squad diminished massively when Webster and Brownhill went. This is the problem I thought we were sleep-walking into. Covid hastened it, but only slightly. Covid allowances have saved our bacon. The reality of no incomings, players leaving for zilch / some at a cost (like Nagy and Palmer) was gonna happen anyway imho. It’s why I’ve been moaning about the finances for the last 3/4 years having started getting into the detail 5/6 years ago. It was coming…I still can’t believe SL couldn’t see it. 8 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: A poster said here the other Day it's what happens on the pitch that really matters. Spot on. Absolutely….but it’s massively influenced by what happens off of it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rossi the Robin said: I saw a tweet the other day possibly from one of these types of characters. Having a go at Pearson for not buying anyone and SL for not getting his chequebook out -clueless Cheque-book eh? I believe I may have seen one of these around the time we had our last penalty. Probably a thing of the past. Though I suspect Kalas still has one. Not sure, so you'll have to Czech for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Yep dave, cutting our cloth now for two years, and we will still get done up like a kipper on our saleable assets, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Davefevs said: If the transfer market didn’t implode I believe we would’ve got some fees for the players we let go OOC, or those coming up to going OOC. But we’d also have carried on paying £20k p.w wages, spending money on players, and still be making losses far bigger than we ought to. The quality of squad diminished massively when Webster and Brownhill went. This is the problem I thought we were sleep-walking into. Covid hastened it, but only slightly. Covid allowances have saved our bacon. The reality of no incomings, players leaving for zilch / some at a cost (like Nagy and Palmer) was gonna happen anyway imho. It’s why I’ve been moaning about the finances for the last 3/4 years having started getting into the detail 5/6 years ago. It was coming…I still can’t believe SL couldn’t see it. There's no accounting for this oversight. Even the world's worst clairvoyant could have predicted how this was going to end up. No disrepect to Gypsy Rose Ashton, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 7 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: You've completely missed the point of that sentence. It's called sarcasm. Jesus wept. To be fair, what did I expect from someone who has misspelled the name of the City Legend he's named himself after? Always assumed it was Louie Donowa. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REDOXO Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: You've completely missed the point of that sentence. It's called sarcasm. Jesus wept. To be fair, what did I expect from someone who has misspelled the name of the City Legend he's named himself after? 3 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Always assumed it was Louie Donowa. No it is in fact Brian Donowa. The Louie is a middle name but spelled like that according to Wikipedia. I guess you could argue the second Louie is not capitalized In @Oh Louie louie handle but I would reckon that’s being a bit pedantic. Now what is everyone arguing about? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogbad the Bad Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 57 minutes ago, REDOXO said: No it is in fact Brian Donowa. The Louie is a middle name but spelled like that according to Wikipedia. I guess you could argue the second Louie is not capitalized In @Oh Louie louie handle but I would reckon that’s being a bit pedantic. Now what is everyone arguing about? Only 1 oh Louie, Louie chant I've ever heard down the Gate, sung with great gusto with 2 fingers waving towards the Open End. Louie Donowa, gas conqueror and City legend. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: @gl2 Not necessarily the clubs fault that, that's part of the wider environment changes both in the game itself and government legislation. Having said that some clubs probably buy into it more than others. Quite so, but sometimes it’s just the little things that make a difference. Imagine going to the cinema, or theatre and they keep the main auditorium lighting on throughout the performance. Not going to happen as it kills the viewing experience. It doesn’t seem to bother our club though, even though well acknowledged to really detract from the spectator’s experience. I get there’s the SAG, but plenty of other clubs get round that problem. We often discuss on here the muted atmosphere at the Gate and I think this is a big factor, along with dumping the most vocal section of the fanbase right in the corner of the ground. Just two examples of why I just don’t believe the supporters come that high on the owner’s priority list to brutally honest. 9 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midred Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Is this Demonstration Saturday going be an annual event like Black Friday? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, Midred said: Is this Demonstration Saturday going be an annual event like Black Friday? Yes it will be an anal event 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Selred said: It's all relative though. Lansdown is a good owner, but he has reached his limit. I don't expect us to ever really be more than a mid table Championship club under Lansdown. He hasn't got the motivation or skills to take us to the next level. He is therefore better than a lot of other clubs owners, but not everything is black and white. Having watched us in all 4 divisions since the late 60's there has been many a season when mid table Championship seemed like a distant dream. Even the past few seasons. Right now I would happily settle for mid table Championship for the next couple of years at least. Be careful what you wish for. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marmite Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Having watched us in all 4 divisions since the late 60's there has been many a season when mid table Championship seemed like a distant dream. Even the past few seasons. Right now I would happily settle for mid table Championship for the next couple of years at least. Be careful what you wish for. I think we were in 3rd division south (ask your dad) when I started watching mid 50s. That's almost 70 years of football and after this season, which may be my last, we could be back in exactly the same place. What progress! You young uns are expecting far too much. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, BrizzleRed said: Quite so, but sometimes it’s just the little things that make a difference. Imagine going to the cinema, or theatre and they keep the main auditorium lighting on throughout the performance. Not going to happen as it kills the viewing experience. It doesn’t seem to bother our club though, even though well acknowledged to really detract from the spectator’s experience. I get there’s the SAG, but plenty of other clubs get round that problem. We often discuss on here the muted atmosphere at the Gate and I think this is a big factor, along with dumping the most vocal section of the fanbase right in the corner of the ground. Just two examples of why I just don’t believe the supporters come that high on the owner’s priority list to brutally honest. Fair points. I am sceptical about whether we can get the lighting thing changed but it is also possible that the club are not exactly battling very hard over it. Same goes for some of our noisier fans being put where they are, SAG may have issues but it may also be something the club don't mind too much about. I would suggest on point 2 that the policing and stewarding bill would likely increase were the fans in closer proximity so the current status quo may suit the club just fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, BrizzleRed said: Quite so, but sometimes it’s just the little things that make a difference. Imagine going to the cinema, or theatre and they keep the main auditorium lighting on throughout the performance. Not going to happen as it kills the viewing experience. It doesn’t seem to bother our club though, even though well acknowledged to really detract from the spectator’s experience. I get there’s the SAG, but plenty of other clubs get round that problem. We often discuss on here the muted atmosphere at the Gate and I think this is a big factor, along with dumping the most vocal section of the fanbase right in the corner of the ground. Just two examples of why I just don’t believe the supporters come that high on the owner’s priority list to brutally honest. Brilliant post and completely agree. Nothing pisses me off more at Ashton Gate than the lights in the stands being on all match for night games. Under the lights means the pitch not us! When I first started going there it wasn’t like this and loads of other grounds switch the lights off. Puts me off going if it’s an evening KO to be honest. And to previous points I think they want a rugby crowd for the football, sat down, clapping politely all together. 5 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Fair points. I am sceptical about whether we can get the lighting thing changed but it is also possible that the club are not exactly battling very hard over it. Same goes for some of our noisier fans being put where they are, SAG may have issues but it may also be something the club don't mind too much about. I would suggest on point 2 that the policing and stewarding bill would likely increase were the fans in closer proximity so the current status quo may suit the club just fine with that. Exactly and that’s my main point, I don’t think the club will fight any fan causes. It’ll be interesting to see if the new CEO has any input, given Palace’s seemingly much more fan friendly attitude. Think it’s pretty nailed on that Steve’s response would be something along the lines of ‘we’re not having any of that nonsense here’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Results are all important, never more so than in the modern, social media day. If City win 3-0 on Saturday, there will be no moans, no protests, Lansdown and Pearson will be flavour of the month again (well for a few days anyway). Likewise, if we are beaten on Saturday, it will be the end of the world. Thankfully, owners and boards sometimes (not always) see the bigger picture. Pearson is slowly building a team, whilst getting rid of players he doesn't want and reducing the wage bill. This is not an easy task and not something that can be achieved in a few months. As other posters have pointed out, Alan Dicks, arguably City's greatest manager, took years to assemble a team competitive enough to make the top flight. Patience is very hard in football, but that is what is required at the moment. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KegCity Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 hours ago, chinapig said: The problem is such a protest would be too late. The damage has been done thanks to Steve giving Ashton a free hand. Any protest now would be against the people trying to repair the damage. Which seems not very well thought through. It's like having a builder make a mess of your house then suing the builder who fixed it. Although in this analogy it’s the same builder who oversaw the damage and is now sorting the repairs. FWIW I agree with others that it’s too late to be doing this now, nothings going to change. The damage has been done, we’re in the process of fixing it and Lansdown’s trying to sell up. Don’t see what else can be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, One Team said: Brilliant post and completely agree. Nothing pisses me off more at Ashton Gate than the lights in the stands being on all match for night games. Under the lights means the pitch not us! When I first started going there it wasn’t like this and loads of other grounds switch the lights off. Puts me off going if it’s an evening KO to be honest. And to previous points I think they want a rugby crowd for the football, sat down, clapping politely all together. Right with you I can still clearly remember the buzz you used to get at evening matches when the lights went down. It was a feeling of, right here we go then and your adrenaline would start pumping and all your attention would be on the pitch. Never got that same magic with them bleedin lights on As you say, they probably want the Rugby crowd, but we don’t have the benefit of taking our beers to the seats!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherrich Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Has felt to me like the sparkle with the fans has gone out the club in the last few seasons. Real shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, KegCity said: Although in this analogy it’s the same builder who oversaw the damage and is now sorting the repairs. FWIW I agree with others that it’s too late to be doing this now, nothings going to change. The damage has been done, we’re in the process of fixing it and Lansdown’s trying to sell up. Don’t see what else can be done. No, Steve was the architect who chose notorious dodgy builders Ashton & Johnson Ltd. Having overspent the budget he discovered the house was falling down so he had to bring in Gould & Pearson Ltd to rebuild it. It's my analogy and I reserve the right to make it up as I go along! 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, chinapig said: No, Steve was the architect who chose notorious dodgy builders Ashton & Johnson Ltd. Having overspent the budget he discovered the house was falling down so he had to bring in Gould & Pearson Ltd to rebuild it. It's my analogy and I reserve the right to make it up as I go along! Thank god he never got Ashton & Johnson Ltd to do the ground redevelopment as well, or we’d be well and truly f****d! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 It's one thing to get my name wrong Percy but to describe People as quote post thatcher' idiot's is very rude and condescending, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gakoe Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 hours ago, David Brent said: It’s not the ‘club back’ that you want then..it’s a time machine "WHAT DO WE WANT?" "TIME TRAVEL" "WHEN DO WE WANT IT?" "THAT'S IRRELEVANT" 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I'm getting told I've got a club legends name wrong by Percy who didn't even know his name was Brian, that is funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MelksRed Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 All, In the age of instant gratification is it its almost impossible to comprehend the concept of deferred gratification. I myself am not happy....not even content with the levels of performance I'm observing at AG. Rather than being a theatre of dreams it has turned into a perpetual nightmare accented by poor decision making and individual mistakes. We are desperately trying to cling to Championship staus with a handful of players, some with great potential, others could be considered driftwood in another team. The FFP and reality of a possible points deduction has tied hands and limited expenditure. Whilst we may not like it, we have a big portion of the deferred gratification pie....its tastes like a shit sandwich, we may have to take more than one bite....but we all have to buckle in for the ride. In May we may all well be breathing a sign of relief and have a free card to start to build the team NP wants. Can't see who would replace him...who would want to under such circumstances? I think Pearson has undertaken a massive task that takes great courage. A few individuals with a bed sheet and a painted message are the last of his concerns at present...he has the resilience to persist under draconian restraints...don't think he'll be worried by a 100% cotton sheet from Dunelm. For the record I am no NP fan, I agree his record here has been awful. But, we have who we have and we are where we are. COYRS 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBB Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said: I'm really not getting the backlash to the protest. If people wanna do that then that's fine Their prerogative . Maybe I've missed something obvious, but hey ho Something obvious like what are they marching for? What is the objective of the protest? Is it Pearson out? Is it to be fans and not customers? Is it the safe return of their club? All of it? If so when? 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper 123 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I don’t believe this will be of much use unless it’s a LARGE march and I’m talking a thousand or so , then someone may sit up and take notice but however many there is join with the move to E34 sat and show some togetherness and get behind the team we support 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 16 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said: I'm really not getting the backlash to the protest. If people wanna do that then that's fine Their prerogative . Maybe I've missed something obvious, but hey ho 8 minutes ago, SBB said: Something obvious like what are they marching for? What is the objective of the protest? Is it Pearson out? Is it to be fans and not customers? Is it the safe return of their club? All of it? If so when? Yes, this. Of course they have the right to protest, but it's a weird hotchpotch with no overarching objective. Individual points I have some sympathy on, modern game has it's less positive elements albeit a lot of these the club has little say in. "What do we want?" "We don't know!" "When do we want it?" "We're unsure- ASAP!?" 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Seems the masses are gathering already 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 14 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said: I'm really not getting the backlash to the protest. If people wanna do that then that's fine Their prerogative . Maybe I've missed something obvious, but hey ho Well you wouldn’t, because you have had an agenda against Pearson since he joined. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 14 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said: I'm really not getting the backlash to the protest. If people wanna do that then that's fine Their prerogative . Maybe I've missed something obvious, but hey ho You have. But, as you say, hey ho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 14 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said: I'm really not getting the backlash to the protest. If people wanna do that then that's fine Their prerogative . Maybe I've missed something obvious, but hey ho I agree , if you don't agree with it just continue your normal match day routine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 15 hours ago, Tafkarmlf said: I'm really not getting the backlash to the protest. If people wanna do that then that's fine Their prerogative . Maybe I've missed something obvious, but hey ho 48 minutes ago, johnheadbcfc said: I agree , if you don't agree with it just continue your normal match day routine. No, no. Otib (Oldish, tired, irritable, blokes) demands to be told what exactly this protest is for, and will not give its approval unless or until more detail is forthcoming, than hitherto thus far ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTone Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bristol Oil Services said: No, no. Otib (Oldish, tired, irritable, blokes) demands to be told what exactly this protest is for, and will not give its approval unless or until more detail is forthcoming, than hitherto thus far ... It would be nice to understand what it's all about TBH. There has been no info forthcoming in order to garnish the support of most supporters. Be upfront. Explaining their gripes would be a good starting point. Could just as easily be a bunch of SAGS stirring the pot. Edited January 11, 2023 by BigTone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Oh Louie louie Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Witnessed three relegations from this leauge in my Lifetime two of them were due to cutting corners, for all the off the field benefits, which I don't care about, to continue in this vein next year is insane, whoever is in manager, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: Witnessed three relegations from this leauge in my Lifetime two of them were due to cutting corners, for all the off the field benefits, which I don't care about, to continue in this vein next year is insane, whoever is in manager, The problem is we have no choice. You talk of cutting corners vs off field benefits, not pursuing the off field benefits in this instance factors in avoiding an embargo and or points deduction. Which would certainly push us closer to League One if we fell foul. Edited January 11, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 John ward his budget was bigger in this leauge what almost 25 years ago than what nige has had a his year I'd wager, but people are happy with progress, hmm, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I won’t be taking part in any demonstration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 A business can't be neglected like this three years on the bounce Mr pop Thats what we are a business 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 15 minutes ago, Robbored said: I won’t be taking part in any demonstration. Can’t believe you think there is one as it’s not been on the OS! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, lenred said: Can’t believe you think there is one as it’s not been on the OS! I saw it on here - the club are hardly going to announce a demonstration so say ‘organised’ by a few otib users. The whole proposal is completely ludicrous. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Robbored said: I saw it on here - the club are hardly going to announce a demonstration so say ‘organised’ by a few otib users. The whole proposal is completely ludicrous. It was a poor attempt at humour RR. Agree completely. Although it’s not being organised by anyone on OTIB afaik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 24 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: Witnessed three relegations from this leauge in my Lifetime two of them were due to cutting corners, for all the off the field benefits, which I don't care about, to continue in this vein next year is insane, whoever is in manager, Being ignorant of or not interested in our finances and the implications of FFP doesn't mean you can just wish it all away and magically increase the budget Nigel has available. As to next summer with contracts expiring and players either leaving or re-signing on lower wages (and with reduced amortization costs) we should have scope to make signings. More so if we sell somebody for big money of course. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: A business can't be neglected like this three years on the bounce Mr pop Thats what we are a business Business neglected is an interesting term Louie. Right now I would say we are managing the scenario as best we can but neglected is a good word. The 3-5 years of expenditure and a risky business model not being reined in by either Lansdown? That IS neglect, absolute negligence really. That past lack of oversight has helped to put us where we are today. I think we will stay up if injuries are relatively kind to us, and who knows we might be able to get one or two in. Edited January 11, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 21 hours ago, MelksRed said: ..don't think he'll be worried by a 100% cotton sheet from Dunelm. It will be 100% organic material at least, 40% of which would only show up under black light conditions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 The people who Keep saying I'm ignorant of ffp, I suggest you look at what Steve Lansdown knows, as china admits the only way out is to sell the family silver, well Steve must make me look like Einstein then! As for the contracts, again what a mess, theres taking your eye of the ball, and there's neglect. This is not a division that suffers fools, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 22 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said: The people who Keep saying I'm ignorant of ffp, I suggest you look at what Steve Lansdown knows, as china admits the only way out is to sell the family silver, well Steve must make me look like Einstein then! As for the contracts, again what a mess, theres taking your eye of the ball, and there's neglect. This is not a division that suffers fools, Let's say you are right, and that what happened in the previous 3-5 years was neglect and not a failed attempt to get us into the Premier League, what do you think "getting our club back" is going to achieve or do differently in the next 3-5 years? What would they do? How will they do it? Is there a plan? It's all pie in the sky at the moment and also ignores the fact that the ground work for improvement is being laid by Pearson and Gould already. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oh Louie louie Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 Tbh port I don't know what the protests plans are, I did ask for someone to come on and clarify. I was pacificy talking about the last two years, which could only be described as dogfights, not failed promotion attempts, signing lower leauge players who can't pass the ball six yards, as demonstrated on Sunday, if anyone thinks we can survive five years doing this at this level, not a chance, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tomo Posted January 12, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) A demonstration As we face the toughest financial situation since 82, people want to protest? It's hilarious. Those considering this, please do us all a favour and just turn up and support 'your club' on Saturday rather than putting our club through an embarrassing local media news story. For those wanting our club back, you've never lost it. It's in your veins so crack on and create an atmosphere of support, not a meaningless rant about 'customers'.... Bristol City is in our blood but ultimately we are customers as we pay for the privilege of supporting our club. Edited January 12, 2023 by Tomo 23 3 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 49 minutes ago, Tomo said: A demonstration As we face the toughest financial situation since 82, people want to protest? It's hilarious. Those considering this, please do us all a favour and just turn up and support 'your club' on Saturday rather than putting our club through an embarrassing local media news story. For those wanting our club back, you've never lost it. It's in your veins so crack on and create an atmosphere of support, not a meaningless rant about 'customers'.... Bristol City is in our blood but ultimately we are customers as we pay for the privilege of supporting our club. Will always turn up but is it wrong to try to have a voice of displeasure when you travel up and down the country to totally inept performances, or should we all just turn up grinning from ear to ear while getting pummeled by Lincoln? Not saying I agree with a protest but it does annoy me when people just bleat on about positivity, Good performances create positivity. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 On 10/01/2023 at 22:54, Magger1 said: I don’t believe this will be of much use unless it’s a LARGE march and I’m talking a thousand or so , then someone may sit up and take notice but however many there is join with the move to E34 sat and show some togetherness and get behind the team we support Get behind the team 100% I don’t see the point in any demonstration , especially as it seem the majority of people protesting hasn’t got the full grasp of where the club is financially at the moment . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 It’s crazy the lack of publication about this protest. One post on Instagram, and zero posts on here (City’s biggest fan platform). Terribly organised. I’ll be impressed if it gets into double figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: If it takes good performances to create positivity you are, quite literally, a customer. Performances have been for the most part significantly better despite the myriad of challenges we have faced post covid. But its actually results rather than performances that seem to matter. Again, customers. Lincoln was a dark day for this club. Not because we lost in a meaningless cup game with a young and inexperienced side. No, because our fans booed a 20 year old kid on his home debut because he made two mistakes in 20 minutes that got punished. In 25 years of going to Ashton Gate I've never felt more ashamed and downbeat about what the terrace culture at my club has become. So you know. Perhaps the mirror is good place for us all to start? Nail on the head. The sense of entitlement from some of our so called supporters is ridiculous. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Oh Louie louie said: Tbh port I don't know what the protests plans are, I did ask for someone to come on and clarify. I was pacificy talking about the last two years, which could only be described as dogfights, not failed promotion attempts, signing lower leauge players who can't pass the ball six yards, as demonstrated on Sunday, if anyone thinks we can survive five years doing this at this level, not a chance, I think picking out individual errors in one game to prove a point is an easy argument to make. We could buy a player from a higher league (and have done) that would make the same mistake Atkinson made on Sunday. A better argument would be if you could point to the multiple other errors he has made (good luck) or show that his whole performance was poor (definitely not the case). I thought the worst passing performance was from Naismith, a player from our own league who we probably spent a lot on in terms of signing on fees and wages. Even allowing for that, it still doesn't explain how people think we can find these higher league players, buy them, pay them, and still not break the FFP rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 14 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: If it takes good performances to create positivity you are, quite literally, a customer. Performances have been for the most part significantly better despite the myriad of challenges we have faced post covid. But its actually results rather than performances that seem to matter. Again, customers. Lincoln was a dark day for this club. Not because we lost in a meaningless cup game with a young and inexperienced side. No, because our fans booed a 20 year old kid on his home debut because he made two mistakes in 20 minutes that got punished. In 25 years of going to Ashton Gate I've never felt more ashamed and downbeat about what the terrace culture at my club has become. So you know. Perhaps the mirror is good place for us all to start? Every single one of us is a customer. As for Lowes debut, it was uncalled for. Some on here don't travel to the utter hellholes of hulls and Prestons but think your in the wrong for voicing displeasure when this club is slipping back to a league where rovers are playing ffs! Supporters positive or negative are all customers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Oh Louie louie said: Tbh port I don't know what the protests plans are, I did ask for someone to come on and clarify. I was pacificy talking about the last two years, which could only be described as dogfights, not failed promotion attempts, signing lower leauge players who can't pass the ball six yards, as demonstrated on Sunday, if anyone thinks we can survive five years doing this at this level, not a chance, The first question you have to ask is why the last two years have been like this? You need to look at underlying cause not current symptom. I agree we can’t survive doing “this” for five years. But don’t you think “we” are trying to do something about it, at least on the football side so that we start to move forward? Because I think we are / have. It’s called a rebuild, it takes time, it’s quite painful at times. A transfer window is when the reality hits for fans. Other team’s strengthening their squads, ours looking weaker through transfer speculation and / injuries. It is quite possible we sit here on 1st Feb with no new players! That’s pretty crap. But what can we do about it if there’s no money? For me it’s get behind the team, try to create an atmosphere that helps our players, put off the opposition, not the other way around. It might make a difference. Do you think “welcoming the players off the bus” whilst shouting #pearsonout is gonna help the players, because that is the underlying message of Forzaeastenders protest, that they want the manager out and it’s the owners that control that. 14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said: The people who Keep saying I'm ignorant of ffp, I suggest you look at what Steve Lansdown knows, as china admits the only way out is to sell the family silver, well Steve must make me look like Einstein then! As for the contracts, again what a mess, theres taking your eye of the ball, and there's neglect. This is not a division that suffers fools, First of all you don't have to be ignorant of FFP, the regulations are on the EFL website if you want to inform yourself. There are people better qualified than me on here who can clarify anything you are not sure of. As to selling the family silver that is inevitable for almost all Championship clubs regardless of FFP. You are not going to hold on to an exceptional talent like Scott for years, sooner or later he will go. If you are going to attract youngsters to the Academy they need to know that they have a chance of progressing to a higher level. Many of us share your anger at how the club was managed in the recent past and lay the ultimate blame at Steve's door but we also understand that what is happening on the pitch now is a consequence of what has to be done to repair the damage. I don't see any alternative solution. Do you? 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red DNA Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 This is what I found when searching for definition of a ‘fan’:- A fan, aficionado, or supporter is someone who has an intense, occasionally overwhelming liking and enthusiasm for a sporting club, person, group of persons, or trend. Fans constitute a fanbase or fandom. They often show their enthusiasm by starting a club, blogging, or promoting the object of their interest. How exactly is the club treating these people to stop them being fans (other than not winning enough games to increase the enthusiasm bit!) ? Are these same people fans of KFC or McD’s or are they customers - how can we spot them in the crowd on a match day? They’re just going to make themselves - and the club they allege to love, look very embarrassing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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