Nigel Pearson

[Red Army 75]

Great interview. I’m still 100% behind him. But the Swansea bit near the end I absolutely loved. Go on Nige

[Loosey Boy]

4 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Great interview. I’m still 100% behind him. But the Swansea bit near the end I absolutely loved. Go on Nige

Just listened to his interview - as you say, the last piece re Swansea was brilliant #fightingtalk

That performance today, should give everyone (players, management and supporters) a lot of confidence…..let’s back it up now with another win!

[glynriley]

14 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Great interview. I’m still 100% behind him. But the Swansea bit near the end I absolutely loved. Go on Nige

Just whack the wurzels on and crank it up to 11. 

Edited January 14, 2023 by glynriley

[Red Army 75]

Just now, glynriley said:

Just whack the wurzles on and crank it up to 11. 

******* right. About time our club from top to bottom starts showing passion. Nige gets it 

[Out of his pie crust]

Peas in

[David Brent]

Observed him today chatting to young fans and obliging their photo requests. Great to see. The majority of supporters are still on his side I believe. 

[joe jordans teeth]

He’s not everyone’s cup of tea but in these difficult times I wouldn’t have anybody else to guide us through 

[REDOXO]

Poor English folk music! Something got under his skin in South Wales!

[GrahamC]

Fair to say whether you rate him or not, the bloke has some real bollocks.

With Weimann & Conway unavailable today to continue to ignore the likes of Martin & Massengo & include 2 kids on the bench who have never started a single game at this level, plus pick as a third sub (& his only back up striker) someone who has never scored a goal at FL level with just 4 starts to his name, is very brave.

The outcry on here if we had got beaten with that bench would have been eye watering.

[elhombrecito]

For those of us who can't watch the video, what did he say about Swansea? 

[frenchred]

Not a Pearson fan at all, but fair play, good result today and top interview

[awbb]

6 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

For those of us who can't watch the video, what did he say about Swansea? 

“When Swansea come to us, here, they always have their door open and play Welsh music, with a big speaker. We have to listen to their stuff, so I’ve already given Scotty an English folk music playlist to play when we go to Swansea on Tuesday. So I think they’ll have to get ready for some really poor English folk music streaming from their tunnel, which, I think, is rather nice.”

Chefs kiss to that one, Nige.

 

[ExiledAjax]

7 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

awful English folk music

That's no way to speak about the Wurzels. Get him out. I want my club back.

[The Bard]

He's starting to feel confident about the team.  If you look at who he is picking, it is done with an eye on the future. Why waste minutes on people who are leaving?  Better blooding inexperienced players, even if it's just 5 or 10 minutes here and there.   The quicker we get to 52 points the better. He can then start to properly blood the next youngsters.

[Mr X]

I'm sure Scott Murray will sneak in a few Scottish tunes as well! 

[steviestevieneville]

49 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Poor English folk music! Something got under his skin in South Wales!

Well the taffs do love to overplay the we’re more passionate than the English bollocks don’t they . I call it a inferiority complex , or rovers complex if you prefer 

[bpexile]

1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said:

Great interview. I’m still 100% behind him. But the Swansea bit near the end I absolutely loved. Go on Nige

The more I see NP's Pre/Post match interviews the more I'm convinced he has to stay. When we're in a financial position to give him the backing he needs people can rightly judge him but until then I think he's doing a great job with what he has & has got the club heading in the right direction at last.

Edited January 14, 2023 by bpexile

[Robbored]

1 hour ago, Red Army 75 said:

Great interview. I’m still 100% behind him. But the Swansea bit near the end I absolutely loved. Go on Nige

Nige is a proper manager. Very few, if any previous City managers would make a comment like that. We’re lucky to have him.

I wonder if Scotty’s  English folk songs include the Wurzels - I can image ‘one for the Bristol City’ and our anthem ‘Drink up the cider’ followed by the Blackbird  song………….

Edited January 14, 2023 by Robbored

[Malvern Red]

26 minutes ago, Mr X said:

I'm sure Scott Murray will sneak in a few Scottish tunes as well! 

Get a Jetho Tull playlist sorted for the best of both worlds 

[glynriley]

32 minutes ago, Mr X said:

I'm sure Scott Murray will sneak in a few Scottish tunes as well! 

This’ll do…

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by glynriley

[MattWSM]

1 hour ago, Loosey Boy said:

Just listened to his interview - as you say, the last piece re Swansea was brilliant #fightingtalk

That performance today, should give everyone (players, management and supporters) a lot of confidence…..let’s back it up now with another win!

Can we now sell all the remaining tickets, 957 sold 1029 left

[cidercity1987]

43 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

Well the taffs do love to overplay the we’re more passionate than the English bollocks don’t they . I call it a inferiority complex , or rovers complex if you prefer 

Weird behaviour when the majority of their players and management are English

[BCFCGav]

I’ve been in the Nige out camp for a little while (Lincoln in the cup scarred me) but I WANT to be swayed. I like him and I want it to work out. Beats the hell out of a Cardiff esque manager merry-go-round. A few more good results in the league and I’ll be over the moon to be eating a whole humble pie.

More on topic - the music thing is a great comment. Let’s bother the Jack ********.

Edited January 14, 2023 by BCFCGav
Being my own swear filter

[petehinton]

Every side has poor performances. Some sides have them more consistently than others. But IMO we have never, ever had an awful performance when our backs have been against the wall. 
 

The players are playing for him, and they go out onto the pitch with a clear idea of what to do. You couldn’t say that under the last days of Johnson, you absolutely couldn’t say that under the last 8-9 games of Holden.
 

It’s as Simple as that for me. 

[2015]

3 unacceprable performances this season - Birmingham A, Reading A, Lincoln H.

We are not that far away from getting consistency, performances haven't been as bad as been made out lately it's just coming without reward and individual errors costing us. NP has his hands tied in the transfer market unfortunately and I can't think of another Manager who would come in right now and change things. Said this all along by the way.

Glad to feel somewhat smug about our 4-2 win today and a great performance. Think Nige deserves some praise after some of the over the top social media abuse he has received recently.

[Phileas Fogg]

1 minute ago, 2015 said:

3 unacceprable performances this season - Birmingham A, Reading A, Lincoln H.

We are not that far away from getting consistency, performances haven't been as bad as been made out lately it's just coming without reward and individual errors costing us. NP has his hands tied in the transfer market unfortunately and I can't think of another Manager who would come in right now and change things. Said this all along by the way.

Glad to feel somewhat smug about our 4-2 win today and a great performance. Think Nige deserves some praise after some of the over the top social media abuse he has received recently.

Good post. I agree. I’ve never felt in genuine danger of relegation with Pearson.

I think he’s done pretty well given the financial constraints.

There have been some questionable signings - namely Simpson and arguably King.. but no manager gets them all right. 

[Calculus]

1 hour ago, BCFCGav said:

I’ve been in the Nige out camp for a little while (Lincoln in the cup scarred me) but I WANT to be swayed. I like him and I want it to work out. Beats the hell out of a Cardiff esque manager merry-go-round. A few more good results in the league and I’ll be over the moon to be eating a whole humble pie.

More on topic - the music thing is a great comment. Let’s bother the Jack ********.

Not an English folk song bit can I suggest Hit The Road Jack?

Edited January 14, 2023 by Calculus

[W-S-M Seagull]

4 hours ago, 2015 said:

3 unacceprable performances this season - Birmingham A, Reading A, Lincoln H.

We are not that far away from getting consistency, performances haven't been as bad as been made out lately it's just coming without reward and individual errors costing us. NP has his hands tied in the transfer market unfortunately and I can't think of another Manager who would come in right now and change things. Said this all along by the way.

Glad to feel somewhat smug about our 4-2 win today and a great performance. Think Nige deserves some praise after some of the over the top social media abuse he has received recently.

I don't think our fans quite realise the mess that we as a club were in when Pearson came in. 

Nigels remit was to rebuild the club. That was never going to happen over night. 

We couldn't even get a shot on target at home back then. We had players that were not fit and we were inadequate in almost every department off of the pitch.

Over time there has been progress, little by little. Nige has brought a professionalism to the club that I don't ever really ever recall us having.

I laughed when I kept reading comments that Nige had lost the dressing room cos I don't think the effort of our players could be questioned. 

By and large I've felt that our performances have be fine. We've been rather consistent with the performances and that's all part of the process. Hopefully consistent results alongside the consistent performances will now follow. That's the next step. 

By the time Pearson leaves here I'm sure we'll all be saying he performed a miracle here.

[Slippin cider]

10 hours ago, REDOXO said:

Poor English folk music! Something got under his skin in South Wales!

I think the fact that they pumped their Welsh music down our tunnel niggled him slightly. Nothing worse than having poor music pumped down your tunnel , Welsh or otherwise! ….we’ll see how they like it on Tuesday…..

[Major Isewater]

26 minutes ago, Slippin cider said:

Nothing worse than having poor music pumped down your tunnel ,

[Bris Red]

11 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

Great interview. I’m still 100% behind him. But the Swansea bit near the end I absolutely loved. Go on Nige

Class. Im still 100% behind Nigel aswell. He is the best man for this job IMO. 

[Port Said Red]

From what I understand, he is doing a lot of good work across all areas of the club. All levels in both the men and women's teams are working together in lots of areas, which hasn't always been the case.

As far as man management is concerned, his greatest attribute seems to be the ability to allow a player to change his mind about them. 

Pring is an obvious example he was "in Siberia" apparently but has worked his way back into favour, but there have been others, Vyner for example and Williams to some extent. It seems the door is open for players who are willing to take it on the chin and work back into the fold.

However if a player just goes off on a sulk or is happy just to carry on being paid, he will leave them in Siberia, unless he is in a situation where he has no option but to use them. Perhaps Klose and Martin are the examples here?

He seems an internally emotional man, and I think he sometimes regrets what he says about a player in those interviews after games. The Rob Atkinson situation is a good example, he didn't go off to sulk in Siberia and has been rewarded with that extra responsibility of being the central defender in the 3 and was singled out for praise even after a costly error.

I think the club have always been more patient than the fans when it comes to Managers, often that patience has been misplaced, but I honestly think that this could be one of the exceptions. 

 

[cidered abroad]

As a club, we have wasted the last thirty years. We have forgotten how managers like AD, TC and JJ built success by creating a very close team spirit where the players worked with and for each other.

We have a manager who is instilling a squad of players with the long known fact that in team games like football, rugby, cricket, it is not the super stars who win trophies. It's the work ethic and helping each other that separates the winners from the rest.

Back in the 1980's, a question was asked of a Liverpool manager. Who is you best defender? The reply was Ian Rush; he harries and presses the opposition to get the ball back so we don't let them attack us!

Football hasn't changed too much since then.

Edited January 15, 2023 by cidered abroad

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

As a club, we have wasted the last thirty years. We have forgotten how managers like AD, TC and JJ built success by creating a very close team spirit where the players worked with and for each other.

We have a manager who is instilling a squad of players with the long known fact that in team games like football, rugby, cricket, it is not the super stars who win trophies. It's the work ethic and helping each other that separates the winners from the rest.

Back in the 1980's, a question was asked of a Liverpool manager. Who is you best defender? The reply was Ian Rush; he harries and presses the opposition to get the ball back so we don't let them attack us!

Football hasn't changed too much since then.

Seeing as we got to the playoff final 14 years ago that’s a bit of an exaggeration, isn’t it?

There is a real tendency now to brush over the GJ era because of the mediocrity that has followed but in summary;

Took over the mess of the ridiculous Tinnion appointment, then won promotion in his first full season, got to the playoff final (1 game from The Prem) in the next season, then had consecutive 10th place finishes.

Since AD left us in 1980 this stands out by a country mile, so feel free to criticise Millen, Coppell (!), McInnes, SOD, Cotterill (which IMO would be harsh) or LJ but GJ actually achieved far more than for instance Joe Jordan ever did, who got us promoted then buggered off after a few games & was terrible in his second spell.

[Swede]

He says it as it is and I like the passion.  The last time I heard passionate comments like this was back in Cotts time. I recall the swindle away & home  after match interviews as examples.

Proper manager working under considerable financial constraints and we're lucky to have him.

[Top Robin]

Hopefully he is slowly getting there.

Next 4 or 5 games are vital and will probably dictate our season and his future.

Good signs though.

[YGBjammy]

He summed it up well, was good to finally get a result to reflect a performance.

As others have said he has and is changing the culture of the club for the better and hopefully setting the groundwork for progress later on. Not having loads of cash to splash on players might be something we look back on in years to come as a good thing at this point; forces your hand to look within a bit more and focus on the culture and players attitude, rather than just buying someone in to "fix" it

[Charlie BCFC]

14 hours ago, Red Army 75 said:

Great interview. I’m still 100% behind him. But the Swansea bit near the end I absolutely loved. Go on Nige

Whether you rate him or not, I can’t see him going anywhere any time soon and the players are still clearly behind him. I’m undecided whether I’m Pearson in or not but one thing we need to do is get behind the club which we 100% did today

[spudski]

Surely the ultimate wind up song to play would be 'Hit the Road Jack'...sung by Tom Jones

 

[cidered abroad]

9 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

Simpson a stop gap, from what I've heard King has been a major part in setting the dressing room culture. Those are intangible benefits that we won't see as fans on the pitch, but its hard to argue that the atmosphere and work ethic of the squad is miles better than it has been since the Cup run under LJ

And that's the thing I've been most keen on Pearson remaining for a long time. The cultural changes he will bring. Professionalism and an end to the easy street atmosphere that has plagued this club for 90% of my life. 

Yeah, it will take time to see the results change and it probably won't result in a charge to the Premier league, but its just nice to feel like we have a club that's being run correctly 

Your first sentence doesn't surprise me. It was obvious in the couple or three years before Pearson arrived, that once again the senior players had developed a cosy "we do what we want to and when we want to". Hiding out of the way in training or just going through the training session without pushing themselves.

Footballers are a unique bunch. They respect those who have had lots of international caps and / or won trophies. Pearson as a solid defender who didn't have any caps and major trophies as a player, so to bring in Andy King who won 50 international caps and a Premier League medal as a player, was a very good move. He isn't the club captain but with his coaching and widespread knowledge, he is, I guess, helping to develop the dressing room togetherness. And probably teaching the young Academy boys a lot more than we did with Joe Bryan and Bobby de Codiova Reid.

Long may it continue and we may surprise many in the next two or three years how far we have gone.

[Negan]

I pray to god this is finally it, we're starting to turn the corner and Nige is finally getting a tune out of the squad... HOWEVER. I've seen this many times before throughout his time here so im not getting carried away with it. Bit of good form is all this could be. If there was an actual fence, im on the side where I think Pearson needs to go, but my feet aren't on the floor yet  Only because I know Pearson is a good manager, he's proven it, just hasn't proven it here yet in my opinion, some might say otherwise and that's fair enough. Either way I think its now, a bit too late to get rid of him. If we just about limp over the line and stay up, then I think he has to go, certainly has to go if we go down. We need to genuinely get ourselves between 10th-16th for me to believe he can take this club forward, because everyone in those positions currently, aren't better than us player for player. That was our first home win since the beginning of October. In my heart I want to believe things will start to get better, in my head im thinking this is just a tiny bit of good form and it'll be back to normal come February. Time will tell. Also for what its worth, win or lose against Swansea im not assed and won't sway me either way with Nige.  

[GrahamC]

30 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

Simpson a stop gap, from what I've heard King has been a major part in setting the dressing room culture. Those are intangible benefits that we won't see as fans on the pitch, but its hard to argue that the atmosphere and work ethic of the squad is miles better than it has been since the Cup run under LJ

And that's the thing I've been most keen on Pearson remaining for a long time. The cultural changes he will bring. Professionalism and an end to the easy street atmosphere that has plagued this club for 90% of my life. 

Yeah, it will take time to see the results change and it probably won't result in a charge to the Premier league, but its just nice to feel like we have a club that's being run correctly 

King is playing a big role here even without being on the pitch.

Saw him talking to Kadji at some length as they warmed up before the second half, have been told he is excellent with the younger players, none of this “I won the Prem with Leicester stuff” absolutely no ego with him at all.

His attitude stands out a mile from some previous “senior pros”.

[Vidal]

Pearson in. For now.

[2015]

6 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I don't think our fans quite realise the mess that we as a club were in when Pearson came in. 

Nigels remit was to rebuild the club. That was never going to happen over night. 

We couldn't even get a shot on target at home back then. We had players that were not fit and we were inadequate in almost every department off of the pitch.

Over time there has been progress, little by little. Nige has brought a professionalism to the club that I don't ever really ever recall us having.

I laughed when I kept reading comments that Nige had lost the dressing room cos I don't think the effort of our players could be questioned. 

By and large I've felt that our performances have be fine. We've been rather consistent with the performances and that's all part of the process. Hopefully consistent results alongside the consistent performances will now follow. That's the next step. 

By the time Pearson leaves here I'm sure we'll all be saying he performed a miracle here.

Effort was never in question here, just a lack of a cutting edge and we still have a bit of a soft underbelly.

Shambles when he came in - absolutely. We could barely get out of our own penalty area in the few games before NP took over. Players just winding down their contracts here and not giving a ****. Poor old Holden didn't have the strength or the experience to deal with them. 

We've needed a Pearson at this club to sort it out for a long time.

[Port Said Red]

2 hours ago, spudski said:

Surely the ultimate wind up song to play would be 'Hit the Road Jack'...sung by Tom Jones

 

There's also Jack the Idiot Dunce by the Kinks, but that might be a bit much.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Port Said Red

[Davefevs]

4 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

From what I understand, he is doing a lot of good work across all areas of the club. All levels in both the men and women's teams are working together in lots of areas, which hasn't always been the case.

As far as man management is concerned, his greatest attribute seems to be the ability to allow a player to change his mind about them. 

Pring is an obvious example he was "in Siberia" apparently but has worked his way back into favour, but there have been others, Vyner for example and Williams to some extent. It seems the door is open for players who are willing to take it on the chin and work back into the fold.

However if a player just goes off on a sulk or is happy just to carry on being paid, he will leave them in Siberia, unless he is in a situation where he has no option but to use them. Perhaps Klose and Martin are the examples here?

He seems an internally emotional man, and I think he sometimes regrets what he says about a player in those interviews after games. The Rob Atkinson situation is a good example, he didn't go off to sulk in Siberia and has been rewarded with that extra responsibility of being the central defender in the 3 and was singled out for praise even after a costly error.

I think the club have always been more patient than the fans when it comes to Managers, often that patience has been misplaced, but I honestly think that this could be one of the exceptions. 

 

I’m gonna go out on a limb here, and prepared to be shot down, but I doubt there are any other WSL clubs as integrated as our.  I wonder how much influence Nige had over Grace Williams (was at Watford) coming in?  Mentoring the manager Lauren Smith, getting her involved in the men’s training, etc.. Keepers training together during WC break.

It is one of those things which probably has zero relevance / influence on the men’s first team, and he could easily say “not my remit”, but it’s part of the club and he’s making sure it’s not just lip-service.

2 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

Simpson a stop gap, from what I've heard King has been a major part in setting the dressing room culture. Those are intangible benefits that we won't see as fans on the pitch, but its hard to argue that the atmosphere and work ethic of the squad is miles better than it has been since the Cup run under LJ

And that's the thing I've been most keen on Pearson remaining for a long time. The cultural changes he will bring. Professionalism and an end to the easy street atmosphere that has plagued this club for 90% of my life. 

Yeah, it will take time to see the results change and it probably won't result in a charge to the Premier league, but its just nice to feel like we have a club that's being run correctly 

When you listen to Tommy, Alex, etc, the one person they always mention is “Kingy”, it’s not “Jamo”, it might be “Kingy and Jamo”, but it’s always “Kingy”.  That tells me a lot.  Seems like he’s a big kid at heart so identifies well with them.  Think he’s said they keep him young too.

1 hour ago, Negan said:

I pray to god this is finally it, we're starting to turn the corner and Nige is finally getting a tune out of the squad... HOWEVER. I've seen this many times before throughout his time here so im not getting carried away with it. Bit of good form is all this could be. If there was an actual fence, im on the side where I think Pearson needs to go, but my feet aren't on the floor yet  Only because I know Pearson is a good manager, he's proven it, just hasn't proven it here yet in my opinion, some might say otherwise and that's fair enough. Either way I think its now, a bit too late to get rid of him. If we just about limp over the line and stay up, then I think he has to go, certainly has to go if we go down. We need to genuinely get ourselves between 10th-16th for me to believe he can take this club forward, because everyone in those positions currently, aren't better than us player for player. That was our first home win since the beginning of October. In my heart I want to believe things will start to get better, in my head im thinking this is just a tiny bit of good form and it'll be back to normal come February. Time will tell. Also for what its worth, win or lose against Swansea im not assed and won't sway me either way with Nige.  

That is a perfectly valid view Negan.

[Daniro]

17 hours ago, Robbored said:

Nige is a proper manager. Very few, if any previous City managers would make a comment like that. We’re lucky to have him.

I wonder if Scotty’s  English folk songs include the Wurzels - I can image ‘one for the Bristol City’ and our anthem ‘Drink up the cider’ followed by the Blackbird  song………….

I love this story about Brian Clough and Vinny Jones -  "Now play your F**cking music, Wimbledon"

 

 

[The Wild Bunch]

8 minutes ago, Daniro said:

I love this story about Brian Clough and Vinny Jones -  "Now play your F**cking music, Wimbledon"

 

 

Classic!

[bcfc01]

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

When you listen to Tommy, Alex, etc, the one person they always mention is “Kingy”, it’s not “Jamo”, it might be “Kingy and Jamo”, but it’s always “Kingy”.  That tells me a lot.  Seems like he’s a big kid at heart so identifies well with them.  Think he’s said they keep him young too.

 

They also mentioned at some point that they were going to have to cook pasta as "Kingy" was coming round for dinner 

His involvement doesn't seem stop at AG or the HPC.

[steviestevieneville]

9 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

From what I understand, he is doing a lot of good work across all areas of the club. All levels in both the men and women's teams are working together in lots of areas, which hasn't always been the case.

As far as man management is concerned, his greatest attribute seems to be the ability to allow a player to change his mind about them. 

Pring is an obvious example he was "in Siberia" apparently but has worked his way back into favour, but there have been others, Vyner for example and Williams to some extent. It seems the door is open for players who are willing to take it on the chin and work back into the fold.

However if a player just goes off on a sulk or is happy just to carry on being paid, he will leave them in Siberia, unless he is in a situation where he has no option but to use them. Perhaps Klose and Martin are the examples here?

He seems an internally emotional man, and I think he sometimes regrets what he says about a player in those interviews after games. The Rob Atkinson situation is a good example, he didn't go off to sulk in Siberia and has been rewarded with that extra responsibility of being the central defender in the 3 and was singled out for praise even after a costly error.

I think the club have always been more patient than the fans when it comes to Managers, often that patience has been misplaced, but I honestly think that this could be one of the exceptions. 

 

Both klose & especially Martin had really good seasons last year. Having watched klose this season it seems his legs have gone , he looks like bambi on ice. I do wonder if Martin is close to appearances triggering a new contract like last season & we don’t want him next season as we want to free up his wages. 

[Red_Alligator]

Oh Nige........

[W-S-M Seagull]

The one thing that has be scratching my head on a daily basis is our own fans are seemingly against the culture change that Pearson is installing. 

I'm baffled by it. 

I genuinely think that some of our fans, the ones that are quite vocal, do not actually want us to succeed because when we do poorly, they themselves become more relevant. 

[Davefevs]

54 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

The one thing that has be scratching my head on a daily basis is our own fans are seemingly against the culture change that Pearson is installing. 

I'm baffled by it. 

I genuinely think that some of our fans, the ones that are quite vocal, do not actually want us to succeed because when we do poorly, they themselves become more relevant. 

Possibly that they change of manager as the only / best way out at times.

Saw this earlier:

Those last two sentences, finally, appear to be happening.  We just need to show a bit of patience whilst people go about their work.

Most of us have cried out for a DoF / HoR…we’ve just appointed Tins as Technical Director.  We now have to give him time to build upon what Nige / RG have been set.

[tin]

7 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

Yep, and you add into that that he's a City fan and relatively local lad who went on to have a brilliant career... he's the perfect mentor for our imported youngsters and academy products. 

I think it's easier to do the role he's currently doing whilst still a member of the playing squad too. Driving standards on the pitch and training fields. 

Maybe not the next cab off the rank after Nige, but I think for the reasons you’ve highlighted above that King has all the makings of a very promising manager/head coach in the future. There would be a certain romance about him getting his boyhood club into the PL, as fanciful as that seems right now. 

[italian dave]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Possibly that they change of manager as the only / best way out at times.

Saw this earlier:

Those last two sentences, finally, appear to be happening.  We just need to show a bit of patience whilst people go about their work.

Most of us have cried out for a DoF / HoR…we’ve just appointed Tins as Technical Director.  We now have to give him time to build upon what Nige / RG have been set.

Great point Dave, and there's a lot in that. But amongst the things that can go wrong in delivering that are two things that have cropped up on threads on here recently.

1. There has to be a single overarching objective that everyone's individual objectives and actions are measured by. It should be success on the field/league position. But I think when Ashton was here his financial objectives were allowed to take precedence. (I don't believe NP would allow that to happen).

2. That doesn't preclude (in fact it requires) challenge - the Peter Hargreaves to Steve Lansdown. The eventual outcome will be all the stronger for it. Is that our new CEO? 

Those and - as your quote says - the Board/owners recognising it - maybe SL now does. Onwards and upwards!

[petehinton]

4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

The one thing that has be scratching my head on a daily basis is our own fans are seemingly against the culture change that Pearson is installing. 

I'm baffled by it. 

I genuinely think that some of our fans, the ones that are quite vocal, do not actually want us to succeed because when we do poorly, they themselves become more relevant. 

Couldn’t agree more. Because it’s change? Because people just like to moan? 

[Red DNA]

4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

The one thing that has be scratching my head on a daily basis is our own fans are seemingly against the culture change that Pearson is installing. 

I'm baffled by it. 

I genuinely think that some of our fans, the ones that are quite vocal, do not actually want us to succeed because when we do poorly, they themselves become more relevant. 

A lot of it is down to the demography of the people posting? A generation (or two) who don’t bother saving for something and get instant credit and want everything now. No patience and no understanding that if it was that easy everyone would be changing managers every few months - like on Football Manager etc.

Yep, we all pay our hard earned money and think we have a right to criticise players when they - like we all do, make mistakes in our jobs.

Instead of outright calling players out try shouting out some actual encouragement to the team you support, especially when things aren’t going as we’d like.
It’s not being a happy clapper,  it’s trying to get the best out of what we’ve got and confidence is so vital - yet it’s free!

Keep faith with what is happening at all levels of the club, I’m sure we’re getting around a very long corner at last.   

 

 

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

4 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

The one thing that has be scratching my head on a daily basis is our own fans are seemingly against the culture change that Pearson is installing. 

I'm baffled by it. 

I genuinely think that some of our fans, the ones that are quite vocal, do not actually want us to succeed because when we do poorly, they themselves become more relevant. 

I don’t think it’s a case of people being against the culture change: it’s more questioning whether Nigel Pearson is the man to achieve that culture change while keeping our heads above water.  I think fans have been remarkably stoical, given many of our performances on the field since Pearson took charge.  At other clubs, fans protest and managers get sacked after a handful of games.

[Davefevs]

51 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Great point Dave, and there's a lot in that. But amongst the things that can go wrong in delivering that are two things that have cropped up on threads on here recently.

1. There has to be a single overarching objective that everyone's individual objectives and actions are measured by. It should be success on the field/league position. But I think when Ashton was here his financial objectives were allowed to take precedence. (I don't believe NP would allow that to happen).

2. That doesn't preclude (in fact it requires) challenge - the Peter Hargreaves to Steve Lansdown. The eventual outcome will be all the stronger for it. Is that our new CEO? 

Those and - as your quote says - the Board/owners recognising it - maybe SL now does. Onwards and upwards!

For info Tim Keech was one of the founders of MKRT Insights, who have been providing recruitment consultants into football clubs.  Plymouth Argyle are one team who have an MKRT consultant working with them.  Jay Socik (Blades Analytics) was with them until he got his job at Luton Town.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Davefevs

[italian dave]

5 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

Both klose & especially Martin had really good seasons last year. Having watched klose this season it seems his legs have gone , he looks like bambi on ice. I do wonder if Martin is close to appearances triggering a new contract like last season & we don’t want him next season as we want to free up his wages. 

Yes, agree. I think maybe the signs were there with Martin last season, but not Klose. Most of us were more than happy when we gave him another year.

You may be right, but it seems to have happened remarkably quickly. He was never the quickest but had a good brain which made up for that. So just seems really odd that it’s changed so quickly. Shame too, always seemed to really enjoy his football and to have a smile for anyone. 

[Robbored]

2 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

I don’t think it’s a case of people being against the culture change: it’s more questioning whether Nigel Pearson is the man to achieve that culture change while keeping our heads above water.  I think fans have been remarkably stoical, given many of our performances on the field since Pearson took charge.  At other clubs, fans protest and managers get sacked after a handful of games.

SL isn’t  the type to sack managers after run of poor games - we saw that in the way he supported LJ to whom he showed tremendous patience when many fans were calling for his head. He’s also very keen on keeping the club on a stable footing and sacking the manager and all his backroom staff causes a huge upheaval and destabilises the club.

SL also knows that Nige is developing a new culture throughout the entire club and that takes time but  it certainly didn’t help last season when invisible Jon commented that he thought Nige would have made further progress……..…….

Unless City enter the with drop zone and are running out of games then SL will stick by Nige. 

[Davefevs]

I know this was posted before, but…

…it’s interesting listening back.  This was originally posted more than 18 months ago, just after he got the job permanently on a 3 year deal.  Not gonna argue that progress is a bit slower than I expected, but this guy got his insight spot on.

This guy has just done one on Dean Holden too.  That’s worth a listen too.

[nebristolred]

On 16/01/2023 at 08:06, Red DNA said:

A lot of it is down to the demography of the people posting? A generation (or two) who don’t bother saving for something and get instant credit and want everything now. No patience and no understanding that if it was that easy everyone would be changing managers every few months - like on Football Manager etc.

For every daft and impatient Gen Z'er there will be a daft and impatient boomer. You always hear of stupid fans saying 'I've had a season ticket for 30 years and I've had enough, until we get a new manager I'm out', and stuff like that.

The world as a whole definitely wants everything a lot quicker, but it's just a football fan thing, not a generational thing.

Edited January 16, 2023 by nebristolred

[AshtonGreat]

On 15/01/2023 at 23:30, Robbored said:

SL isn’t  the type to sack managers after run of poor games - we saw that in the way he supported LJ to whom he showed tremendous patience when many fans were calling for his head. He’s also very keen on keeping the club on a stable footing and sacking the manager and all his backroom staff causes a huge upheaval and destabilises the club.

SL also knows that Nige is developing a new culture throughout the entire club and that takes time but  it certainly didn’t help last season when invisible Jon commented that he thought Nige would have made further progress……..…….

Unless City enter the with drop zone and are running out of games then SL will stick by Nige. 

Isn’t SOD supposed to have developed a new culture throughout the club about 10 years ago? 

[CliftonCliff]

39 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

Isn’t SOD supposed to have developed a new culture throughout the club about 10 years ago? 

He began that task, yes, but wasn’t here anywhere near long enough to bring it to fruition, because the people who appointed him then decided to sack him. SOD has been vilified by the majority of OTIB members. Only a few of the more balanced views acknowledge that he did some quite important work in his relatively short tenure. More recently, the realisation has finally spread more widely that most of the club’s problems have for a long time had their origins not in the office of successive managers, but in the boardroom, which is why the idea of sacking Pearson is, frankly, just plain dumb.

[Robbored]

57 minutes ago, AshtonGreat said:

Isn’t SOD supposed to have developed a new culture throughout the club about 10 years ago? 

Playing style rather than culture of the club was SoDs remit. Unfortunately for him his obstinacy pissed off many including SL particularly when SL wanted to take the players on a safari and play against local team in Botswana but SoD wouldn’t allow it - that was pretty much the end of him at AG.

[Phileas Fogg]

On 15/01/2023 at 21:06, Red DNA said:

A lot of it is down to the demography of the people posting? A generation (or two) who don’t bother saving for something and get instant credit and want everything now.

The gall to say this when the cost of living and particularly housing market is so unfairly weighted in favour of older generations!

[Robbored]

2 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said:

The gall to say this when the cost of living and particularly housing market is so unfairly weighted in favour of older generations!

It’s always been that way PF - I well remember us struggling to save a deposit over 40 years ago. Fortunately it was before my kids were born.

Bricks and mortar are the best investment but like many older generations they’re asset rich but cash poor.

[fatchers]

Too true Robbered . The older generation were young too. We struggled to get a deposit together to afford a mortgage, then slowly managed to furnish it with luxuries like Heating, a fridge freezer, a colour TV, a washing machine,carpets etc. Then the kids came along ..The now generation want the house,all mod cons, the top of the range mobile phone and all the latest gear, and when do they want it ?  NOW.  They then moan that the older generation have it easy. After 55 years of working ( shift work.days,nights, weekends and 12 hour shifts ) and contributing to a pension, you could save , yes I have it easy. With many thanks to Hargreaves Lansdown too.

 

 

 

 

[Phileas Fogg]

1 hour ago, CliftonCliff said:

He began that task, yes, but wasn’t here anywhere near long enough to bring it to fruition, because the people who appointed him then decided to sack him. SOD has been vilified by the majority of OTIB members. Only a few of the more balanced views acknowledge that he did some quite important work in his relatively short tenure. More recently, the realisation has finally spread more widely that most of the club’s problems have for a long time had their origins not in the office of successive managers, but in the boardroom, which is why the idea of sacking Pearson is, frankly, just plain dumb.

Exactly. He was what we needed at the time, he sugar-coated nothing and was pretty undiplomatic at times.. but many of the core of the double winning side were signed by him on a relative shoestring.

That said, I don't believe he had the galvanising style that Cotterill clearly did in order to win us the double. But on the flip side, I don't believe Cotterill would've done the unenviable task of steadying the sinking ship as effectively. 

The appointments the Lansdowns and board have made over the years have been criticised, often justly, but these two were ones they got right for the jobs required at the time. 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Phileas Fogg