Sir Geoff Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Made a huge difference when he came on last night. More like the Joe Williams we all hoped to see. Shame he didn't pass to Sam Bell instead of trying to chip the keeper, but otherwise an excellent display. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Still the jury is out for me . Needs to add consistency to his game , he has everything else . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, shelts said: Needs to add consistency to his game His fitness is such that i dont think you will ever see consistency from him. He can't play 2 games in a week, so he will forever be in and out of the side. When he is on it, he is very good though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: His fitness is such that i dont think you will ever see consistency from him. He can't play 2 games in a week, so he will forever be in and out of the side. When he is on it, he is very good though. Complete lie. Has done so multiple times this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 He's been good for the last few weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 He’s got a bit of the nasty git in him. Likes to put it about and won’t shirk a challenge. We’ve missed that for a long time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 40 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: Looked good off the bench recently. Obviously still question marks on his fitness and durability and I can't remember a more one footed central midfielder in my time watching football. There's a player there. A proper one. Just got to keep him fit and motivated. Erm, Tinman. Literally had a right leg just for standing on. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizys Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: Looked good off the bench recently. Obviously still question marks on his fitness and durability and I can't remember a more one footed central midfielder in my time watching football. There's a player there. A proper one. Just got to keep him fit and motivated. Oh, I don't know.....Tins moved central in his advancing years..... Now that right peg was only ever used for standing on. 1 minute ago, nickolas said: Erm, Tinman. Literally had a right leg just for standing on. Great minds! Edited January 18, 2023 by Steve Watts Merged when quoting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizys Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: I'm talking about even controlling the ball with his back foot when receiving from the right, it's something I drummed into 8 year old's and it infuriates me when I watch him. Its not minor either, as when play goes through him it takes an extra touch and extra second for him to move around the ball and continue the process of rotating the ball across the midfield which allows the defenders time to recover/respond and block the next pass. I'm not asking him to have the passing range of Paul Scholes with both feet, just control the ball with the correct foot and play a second faster. The one thing our under 11's captain lacked was the confidence to use his left peg. I kept on at him for ages about using it and the penny finally dropped when he scored a daisycutter with it from just outside the area. Adds another dimension to his game and like you say it allows the ball to be moved out a lot quicker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selred Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: The one thing our under 11's captain lacked was the confidence to use his left peg. I kept on at him for ages about using it and the penny finally dropped when he scored a daisycutter with it from just outside the area. Adds another dimension to his game and like you say it allows the ball to be moved out a lot quicker. Job for Watts? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Best used as a sub not sure he has the fitness to play 90 mins these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oizys Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Selred said: Job for Watts? More a job for Dante, but I'll happily come along as his assistant again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Red Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 hours ago, nickolas said: Erm, Tinman. Literally had a right leg just for standing on. Indeed, I remember when Tony Thorpe set him up against Swindon with a chance on his right foot. He had to take it first time and had to use his right foot. He nearly fell over!!! Did score though. 07.40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 4 hours ago, TonyTonyTony said: His fitness is such that i dont think you will ever see consistency from him. He can't play 2 games in a week, so he will forever be in and out of the side. When he is on it, he is very good though. That’s simply not accurate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 3 hours ago, Super said: Best used as a sub not sure he has the fitness to play 90 mins these days. He’s 25 ain’t he not 35 . His fitness has been proven this season & played back to back games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Red Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Also against Swindon, next season, Tinnion smashes one in with his left foot from miles out 02.45. Tinnion looks more comfortable 30 yards out on his left foot than with a close range tap in on his right foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 It's good to hear positive things because despite his goals I have been a bit disappointed by his quality in the ball this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 10 hours ago, Sir Geoff said: Made a huge difference when he came on last night. More like the Joe Williams we all hoped to see. Shame he didn't pass to Sam Bell instead of trying to chip the keeper, but otherwise an excellent display. Looked really good when he came on last Saturday as well. I particularly liked it when he came from nowhere at speed to win a tackle - he looked really sharp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 17 hours ago, Super said: Best used as a sub not sure he has the fitness to play 90 mins these days. I have been told that he feels he is the fittest he has been in his career, the programme our medical team put him on has been instrumental in that. He is apparently fuming that he isn't starting games, which made me wonder if it's part of Pearson's plan, because he seems to be taking it out on opponents with some of his tackles lately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 20 hours ago, Selred said: Job for Watts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will b11 Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Personally I’d have Williams ahead of James in a midfield 3 of him Naismith and Scott 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Maybe that Pearson is building him up to 100 minutes per match in stages as he has effectively missed two and a half seasons. No need to rush him at present. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 Rightly cannot get in this team right now. James and Scott working well together and Sykes is an improvement on Weimann going on both of their recent form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 22 hours ago, grifty said: He’s got a bit of the nasty git in him. Likes to put it about and won’t shirk a challenge. We’ve missed that for a long time. Yeah, but he's no Steve Galliers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 18/01/2023 at 14:18, TonyTonyTony said: His fitness is such that i dont think you will ever see consistency from him. He can't play 2 games in a week, so he will forever be in and out of the side. When he is on it, he is very good though. Strange he can’t condition his body to play two games a week , maybe it won’t let him . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 On 18/01/2023 at 18:49, mozo said: It's good to hear positive things because despite his goals I have been a bit disappointed by his quality in the ball this season. Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 7 hours ago, mightyreds89 said: Who? Williams. I haven't really been convinced by his performances this season. Obviously delighted that he's fit now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Ok, was confused by the part when you said despite his goals? He has 2 I think read it as though his goals meant he’d had a scoring spree that I’d missed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 The Williams I saw play for Bolton then Wigan was a proper central midfielder. He could even take quality corners, too. I don’t think he’s the same player now after all the injuries. He can still do a job, just not as effectively IMO. Courtesy of Andy Rolls and Dean Holden. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 2 hours ago, mightyreds89 said: Ok, was confused by the part when you said despite his goals? He has 2 I think read it as though his goals meant he’d had a scoring spree that I’d missed This is a spree for him…never got more than 1 per season before. 2 hours ago, tin said: The Williams I saw play for Bolton then Wigan was a proper central midfielder. He could even take quality corners, too. I don’t think he’s the same player now after all the injuries. He can still do a job, just not as effectively IMO. Courtesy of Andy Rolls and Dean Holden. Yep! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: This is a spree for him…never got more than 1 per season before. Yep! I do like the fact that he is very vocal when he comes on . Lots of player positional shouts going on. I do feel he is not the same player he was, due to fitness . Which is a real pity. Top midfielder at Wigan. But he does do a good job from the bench. Or is his fitness still a work in progress ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Williams may well get more gametime with us playing 4 3 3. Firstly purely due to numbers but it suits him far better. Anyone thinking he's better than James needs to get off the crack though. James is the new Dave Rennie clearly. Underappreciated by a lot of supporters but not his team mates and manager. I also think later in a game suits William's. His all action style is do able for 25 minutes and with games more stretched. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 2 hours ago, mightyreds89 said: Ok, was confused by the part when you said despite his goals? He has 2 I think read it as though his goals meant he’d had a scoring spree that I’d missed That is a scoring spree for Joe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: Like Pack and Skuse before him, midfielders who we desperately miss when they're not there, but get zero credit whilst they are. Add Khalifa Cisse to that list. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 58 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: Thought Cisse got a lot of love at the time, he was a bit more "all action" than the others listed so got a bit more credit. Good player though I always use him in `you don`t notice him when he plays but you do when he doesn`t` argument Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Reckon he will get a start next Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 18 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Reckon he will get a start next Saturday. Who cisse thought he was getting on a bit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Let’s not forget he’s been out for some time. It takes time to get over injury’s he’s had. Trusting your body again when going full throttle. He needs a injury free season or two to get back fully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 I thought we should have brought him on post the red card. Naismith and James were working fine, but Blackburn sat deep and we needed the extra speed/energy/impetus. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 28 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: I thought we should have brought him on post the red card. Naismith and James were working fine, but Blackburn sat deep and we needed the extra speed/energy/impetus. I wondered about whether we could have simply freshened it up, both James & Naismith (who were both excellent today) played over 100 minutes at Swansea & we were up against a side that had no game in midweek, thought he was worth the last 10 to try something different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 55 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I wondered about whether we could have simply freshened it up, both James & Naismith (who were both excellent today) played over 100 minutes at Swansea & we were up against a side that had no game in midweek, thought he was worth the last 10 to try something different. Yeah that’s kind of my thinking. Kal for me lost the runner on their goal but was generally good and Matty was the usual - decent, metronomic. I just felt when they went to 10 all those ten sat very deep and Kal/Matty naturally play quite slow. Joe isn’t as good or consistent a passer but is a disruptor and I felt we needed that in view of how they set up 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said: I thought we should have brought him on post the red card. Naismith and James were working fine, but Blackburn sat deep and we needed the extra speed/energy/impetus. Agree, came on in both FA Cup games and done brilliant. Definitely worth a shot for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Percy Pig said: Like Pack and Skuse before him, midfielders who we desperately miss when they're not there, but get zero credit whilst they are. 9 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Add Khalifa Cisse to that list. Or even, dare I say it, a certain Lee Johnson. And, of course, as I believe was already mentioned here, Dave Rennie, who deserves an extra mention for his moustache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 1 hour ago, GrahamC said: I wondered about whether we could have simply freshened it up, both James & Naismith (who were both excellent today) played over 100 minutes at Swansea & we were up against a side that had no game in midweek, thought he was worth the last 10 to try something different. I wondered if when it gets to that stage, Rennie might say “it’s not worth him getting stretched, warm, etc”??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlastonburyRed Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 10 hours ago, Percy Pig said: Like Pack and Skuse before him, midfielders who we desperately miss when they're not there, but get zero credit whilst they are. Skusey even scored a goal last week, a collectors item, he must be on about 1000 career appearances by now (and probably about 10 goals). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I wondered if when it gets to that stage, Rennie might say “it’s not worth him getting stretched, warm, etc”??? Maybe, but he seems to have made a decent impact as a sub in recent games & so I thought it was worth a try. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 17 minutes ago, GlastonburyRed said: Skusey even scored a goal last week, a collectors item, he must be on about 1000 career appearances by now (and probably about 10 goals). 652 career appearances and 12 goals. (Transfermkt) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgebcfc Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 12 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: I thought we should have brought him on post the red card. Naismith and James were working fine, but Blackburn sat deep and we needed the extra speed/energy/impetus. Interesting one. From Nige's perspective with 20 mins ish left we still had to not concede on the break, which trading Williams for James/Naismith increases the risk of, particularly where both were having great games and bossing the midfield. In a way the "plan" did work, as Naismith produced the killer pass.. Unfortunately Bell was marginally off (allegedly). Maybe I'm too conservative but I thought it wasn't the right scenario for Williams. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, georgebcfc said: Interesting one. From Nige's perspective with 20 mins ish left we still had to not concede on the break, which trading Williams for James/Naismith increases the risk of, particularly where both were having great games and bossing the midfield. In a way the "plan" did work, as Naismith produced the killer pass.. Unfortunately Bell was marginally off (allegedly). Maybe I'm too conservative but I thought it wasn't the right scenario for Williams. I agree, we were in the ascendency and I think the axis between Naismith and James was a big part of that. I think Nigel didn't want to upset the momentum too much. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 hours ago, georgebcfc said: Interesting one. From Nige's perspective with 20 mins ish left we still had to not concede on the break, which trading Williams for James/Naismith increases the risk of, particularly where both were having great games and bossing the midfield. In a way the "plan" did work, as Naismith produced the killer pass.. Unfortunately Bell was marginally off (allegedly). Maybe I'm too conservative but I thought it wasn't the right scenario for Williams. I agree too. Think we need to give Blackburn’s defenders a lot of credit for playing as well as they did. Nor did they resort to cynical cheating / time-wasting, at least not to the blatant degree other teams do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I agree too. Think we need to give Blackburn’s defenders a lot of credit for playing as well as they did. Nor did they resort to cynical cheating / time-wasting, at least not to the blatant degree other teams do. I thought they were very well organised and their full backs in particular looked very good. Rankin-Costello also sounds like a Ska version of my favourite music artist. Edited January 22, 2023 by Port Said Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: I thought they were very well organised and their full backs in particular looked very good. Rankin-Costello also sounds like a Ska version of my favourite music artist. Rankin-Costello was aptly named. He couldn't stand up for falling down, whenever he lost the ball. Thought both he, Morton and Hedges were unpleasant whinging cheats to be honest. Blackburn were a fairly average, but quite cynical, side. It amused me what crybabies they were when Scott began to take tumbles as easily as their players did. I'll be pleased when they fail to go up, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Rankin-Costello was aptly named. He couldn't stand up for falling down, whenever he lost the ball. Thought both he, Morton and Hedges were unpleasant whinging cheats to be honest. Blackburn were a fairly average, but quite cynical, side. It amused me what crybabies they were when Scott began to take tumbles as easily as their players did. I'll be pleased when they fail to go up, to be honest. Hedges was the worst of the lot for me. Kept going down, moaning etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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