Nige quite happy today

[Mr Popodopolous]

6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

A ref I spoke to once said "you don't know what you're doing" was the chant that hurt him the most. 

Yeah that's interesting but makes sense. Angry sweary chants can be disregarded to some extent. We don't really hear that one so much either. 

[italian dave]

4 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

I'm sure we all think it of ourselves, but I do try to ensure the majority of my thoughts are based on at least some evidence and experience rather than gut feeling. I certainly don't see things as black and white. I'm fully behind Nige and I'm absolutely fine with accusations of being a disciple of the cult of Nige. I believe wholeheartedly that he's the best man for the club and that his guidance will get us through a truly turbulent period (I think that there is a bit of fatigue about that very important context, but it is THE most important aspect of any assessment of his performance). 

I disagree with him on selection quite often. I'd never have gone 433, I'd never have dropped HNM, I'd have persisted with KN in the middle of the back three, I'd have used CM more (especially with AS), I'd have released Jay Dasilva... but that's all personal preferences and our manager having a different view to me is absolutely fine. He should, I'm an overweight civil servant with no experience at pro/men's football either coaching or playing. What the hell do I know? 

I actually think it's the win rate "Nige out brigade" who see things as black and white. The context of FFP, an imbalanced squad of frauds (Palmer) arseholes (Bakinson) and crocks (Kalas), a dangerously incompetent medical team, a non existent recruitment department, covid, a block in the academy pathway etc etc etc is completely ignored with "29% win rate" as the totality of the argument. 

But whatever side of an argument you fall on you're always inclined to see your side as balanced and the other as blinkered. 

Still, the team have given Nige some breathing room with recent performances. It remains a period for us all to get behind the team and judge after the summer. That's the big moment. That's the first time we'll have wriggle room to actually improve the team externally. I'm happy to wait, there's no rush. I'd sooner do it this way than risk the future of the club like Derby/Wigan/Leeds etc.

 

That feels like it's ended up quite rambling, so sorry for that  

No worries: I like rambling - as anyone who's seen some of my posts will realise!

I wasn't intending to label you in that 'only black and white' description: I think this conversation began - way back - with me saying something along the lines of 'in danger of' or 'appearing to' or something like that.

I know what you're saying: the counter argument of course is that win rates and league position is what all managers get judged on at the end of the day. They all inherit (or at least most) a pile of crap when they arrive at a club and if you're at Watford you get 10 games to sort it!! I'm glad - and I suspect you feel the same - that we don't do that at City (it didn't work when we did) and I do think that those in the club, and the vast majority of fans too, recognise that context. There will always be a few. 

Yes: Saturday it felt really important that we didn't lose. And it does feel like we are giving ourselves that bit of space. I was worried that we'd do what we'd done twice before in the past couple of years - follow a good 3-4 results and a couple of really good performances with a run of defeats. We haven't gone there this time (touch wood). The next 2-3 games will be really significant I think. 

 

[Leveller]

16 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

I'm sure we all think it of ourselves, but I do try to ensure the majority of my thoughts are based on at least some evidence and experience rather than gut feeling. I certainly don't see things as black and white. I'm fully behind Nige and I'm absolutely fine with accusations of being a disciple of the cult of Nige. I believe wholeheartedly that he's the best man for the club and that his guidance will get us through a truly turbulent period (I think that there is a bit of fatigue about that very important context, but it is THE most important aspect of any assessment of his performance). 

I disagree with him on selection quite often. I'd never have gone 433, I'd never have dropped HNM, I'd have persisted with KN in the middle of the back three, I'd have used CM more (especially with AS), I'd have released Jay Dasilva... but that's all personal preferences and our manager having a different view to me is absolutely fine. He should, I'm an overweight civil servant with no experience at pro/men's football either coaching or playing. What the hell do I know? 

I actually think it's the win rate "Nige out brigade" who see things as black and white. The context of FFP, an imbalanced squad of frauds (Palmer) arseholes (Bakinson) and crocks (Kalas), a dangerously incompetent medical team, a non existent recruitment department, covid, a block in the academy pathway etc etc etc is completely ignored with "29% win rate" as the totality of the argument. 

But whatever side of an argument you fall on you're always inclined to see your side as balanced and the other as blinkered. 

Still, the team have given Nige some breathing room with recent performances. It remains a period for us all to get behind the team and judge after the summer. That's the big moment. That's the first time we'll have wriggle room to actually improve the team externally. I'm happy to wait, there's no rush. I'd sooner do it this way than risk the future of the club like Derby/Wigan/Leeds etc.

 

That feels like it's ended up quite rambling, so sorry for that  

Edited January 24, 2023 by Leveller

[Red-Robbo]

2 hours ago, Deluded Sag said:

Well you pay his wages, so you are entitled to expect improvement both on off the pitch. Nigel is old enough and has managed enough clubs to have learned how to speak to people who are only doing their job. Ferguson used to do it, but then he was a genuinely elite manager who had won everything in the game. Nigel........

Its unprofessional and I'm wondering if Lansdown has had a quiet word with him. If he hasn't, I'm wondering why not. 

 

As petulant as Pearson can be, give me that over gob-on-a-stick, ego-tripping, stream-of-drivel Barton's pre- and post-match analysis. He seems to think he's some sort of auxiliary Scouse Gallagher brother. 

I'd be on a perma-cringe if I heard my club's manager slag off other professionals working in the third tier, then go on to lose to their sides!

[RedHienz]

7 hours ago, Deluded Sag said:

Well you pay his wages, so you are entitled to expect improvement both on off the pitch. Nigel is old enough and has managed enough clubs to have learned how to speak to people who are only doing their job. Ferguson used to do it, but then he was a genuinely elite manager who had won everything in the game. Nigel........

Its unprofessional and I'm wondering if Lansdown has had a quiet word with him. If he hasn't, I'm wondering why not. 

I'm wondering why you have so many opinions on a club whose name you you spell with an Asterix due to some odd belief that writing it would harm you. 

I am concerned with professional sports hiring those of dubious morale's such as repeat offenders who seems to make a habit of GBH. 

On topic Nigel is a breathe of fresh air, honest although somewhat rude at times. 

[bcfc01]

37 minutes ago, RedHienz said:

I'm wondering why you have so many opinions on a club whose name you you spell with an Asterix due to some odd belief that writing it would harm you. 

I am concerned with professional sports hiring those of dubious morale's such as repeat offenders who seems to make a habit of GBH. 

On topic Nigel is a breathe of fresh air, honest although somewhat rude at times. 

That just about sums it up.

I like his honesty and couldn't give a toss about his rudeness.

 

[glynriley]

49 minutes ago, Deluded Sag said:

At times? Nigel has a long-established attitude problem. Lansdown needs to have a quiet word. If you are that concerned about Barton, create a separate thread. We are speaking about your manager and his lack of basic manners, courtesy and respect when speaking to journalists. 

 

Perhaps you should be less concerned that our manager can be a bit rude to journalists, and more with the fact that yours beats up women and children.

You come on here talking about lack of respect. Your manager is a thug and convicted felon. Square that you deluded ****.

 

Edited January 24, 2023 by glynriley