Semenyo: In 3 years time....

[The Humble Realist]

It's easy to look back in hindsight so right now on the day of the deal for a player I think most would say 

A) has a lot of potential 

And 

B) needs to be more consistent 

How will we feel in 3 years time...

Edited January 27, 2023 by The Humble Realist

[Ivorguy]

In three years time we will not care, as Conway and Bell, heading for 20 goals apiece, are blasting us to promotion.  Well done Nige.

[SBB]

Wont give it much thought. The same as I feel about Joe Bryan and Bobby Reid, enjoyed them while they were here but we’ve all moved on.

[BigTone]

24 minutes ago, The Humble Realist said:

It's easy to look back in hindsight so right now on the day of the deal for a player I think most would say 

A) has a lot of potential 

And 

B) needs to be more consistent 

How will we feel in 3 years time...

He will be financially secure.

Us, jealous

Edited January 27, 2023 by BigTone

[David Brent]

12 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

In three years time we will not care, as Conway and Bell, heading for 20 goals apiece, are blasting us to promotion.  Well done Nige.

You can’t get promoted from the Premier League 

[Major Isewater]

We may re-sign him from League 2 Bournemouth with our newfound Prem riches. 

[joe jordans teeth]

He’s not going to be a £40 million player anytime soon unless he improves massively but he will score goals at this level when they come down so it’s a all round good deal for everyone 

[joe jordans teeth]

22 minutes ago, Ivorguy said:

In three years time we will not care, as Conway and Bell, heading for 20 goals apiece, are blasting us to promotion.  Well done Nige.

To think Conway is 3 years younger and is only 9 goals behind semenyo already 

[Ivorguy]

Just now, joe jordans teeth said:

To think Conway is 3 years younger and is only 9 goals behind semenyo already 

Precisely 

[Northern Red]

30 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said:

To think Conway is 3 years younger and is only 9 goals behind semenyo already 

To be fair, Conway has always been a centre forward whereas Semenyo spent a lot of his early years out wide.

[Dullmoan Tone]

9 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

To be fair, Conway has always been a centre forward whereas Semenyo spent a lot of his early years out wide.

Also Semenyo did his growing up in the first team - no years in the academy to hone his craft, remember that red card against Derby - Johnson saw something in him.? We have to credit him with that.

[tin]

I don’t think he’s ready for the PL and I very much doubt he will score the goals to keep AFCB up. He will need to drastically improve his first touch, learn to stay on side, and at least hit the target with half chances like the two he had against Blackburn if he’s to make it at that level. Big step up, but will he care of £50k pw? Doubt it. 

[Northern Red]

36 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

To be fair, Conway has always been a centre forward whereas Semenyo spent a lot of his early years out wide.

@Mean Mr. Muatard I'd be interested to know what's confusing about this?

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

3 hours ago, Ivorguy said:

In three years time we will not care, as Conway and Bell, heading for 20 goals apiece, are blasting us to promotion.  Well done Nige.

Well done Tinnion and his academy players. Well done SL for keeping investing in youth.

[RedRock]

I think for where we’re at and Semenyo is, it’s a good deal all round. Everyone is taking a bit of a gamble, and I’d say it’s about 50:50, maybe 60:40 in favour, as to whether he kicks on in the Premier. 

Semenyo’s assets are his pace and power. Those are the two attributes that sets you apart from the average in football nowadays. 

The key thing now for us is that we don’t flush the money down the drain on more mediocre squad players that don’t improve us, as has been our habit. We need to find a couple of gems in the market place to push us on. If we s****k the money away again on sub-average ‘has beens’ or the ‘never will be’, we will never progress as a Club. 

 

[And Its Smith]

So many fans look at goals and assists as the only way of judging a player.  Someone text me yesterday saying we robbed them as Semenyo has only scored 16 goals in 120 games for us.  It’s just a weird way of reaching an opinion on a player 

[marcofisher]

I see Semenyo being at a similar level to where Bryan and Reid are now.

[Davefevs]

36 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

So many fans look at goals and assists as the only way of judging a player.  Someone text me yesterday saying we robbed them as Semenyo has only scored 16 goals in 120 games for us.  It’s just a weird way of reaching an opinion on a player 

Don’t get me started….had a twitter rant with @Curr Avon’s sister re exactly that.

[Red-Robbo]

55 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

I see Semenyo being at a similar level to where Bryan and Reid are now.

 

Me too, but you never know how a player might develop.

When they were at AG, who could have predicted Danny Rose would go on to win nearly 30 England caps, whereas Caulker would shuffle through loads of clubs, largely in Turkey, before ending up at Wigan. 

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

1 hour ago, And Its Smith said:

So many fans look at goals and assists as the only way of judging a player.  Someone text me yesterday saying we robbed them as Semenyo has only scored 16 goals in 120 games for us.  It’s just a weird way of reaching an opinion on a player 

 

37 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Don’t get me started….had a twitter rant with @Curr Avon’s sister re exactly that.

For me his finest attribute is his power and his pace.  There ain't much slowing down a Semenyo train, it means he can be so hard to handle it makes space for someone else.  I'll miss him would have loved to see him hit his ceiling with us. 

[alexukhc]

Hopefully doing very well for himself, but not against us, wish him nothing but the best

[Wanderingred]

Semenyo doesn’t quite have the quality of Bryan or Reid. I think he’ll end up playing his trade around the top end of the Championship with somebody like Middlesbrough or Norwich. Ourselves and Bournemouth will probably both be back in league 1 by then.

[AppyDAZE]

I don't wish him well and I don't wish him not to do well. I don't like the club he has signed for because they cheated their way onto the parachute roundabout. So in that way I suppose it would be satisfying if it turns out to be a shit signing. I didn't read the goodbye statement either because those things are more often than not, bullshit. As far as I'm concerned he has gone,so let's move on and leave them to their smug Premier League selves. I'll never have the respect for them as I do Brentford or Swansea and the like. Teams who did it properly.

Edited January 28, 2023 by AppyDAZE

[marcofisher]

1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Me too, but you never know how a player might develop.

When they were at AG, who could have predicted Danny Rose would go on to win nearly 30 England caps, whereas Caulker would shuffle through loads of clubs, largely in Turkey, before ending up at Wigan. 

It really has me thinking recently about how much attention should be paid to loan performances. Especially when a lot of our better academy graduates who eventually went for big money performed decently on loan but never turnt up trees. I saw a Sunderland fan comment on a Semenyo to B’mouth Twitter rumour “is that the kid who couldn’t hit a barn door for us?”.

 

 

[Wanderingred]

6 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

I don't wish him well and I don't wish him not to do well. I don't like the club he has signed for because they cheated their way onto the parachute roundabout. So in that way I suppose it would be satisfying if it turns out to be a shit signing. I didn't read the goodbye statement either because those things are more often than not, bullshit. As far as I'm concerned he has gone,so let's move on and leave them to their smug Premier League selves. I'll never have the respect for them as I do Brentford or Swansea and the like. 

Well said, and to think they were shaking their buckets trying to keep their miserable little club alive just a couple of decades ago. I’ve also got zero respect for them and their cheating antics but likewise wouldn’t wish any ill on Antoine himself. Hopefully they get relegated and he can sign for a genuine bigger club.

Edited January 28, 2023 by Wanderingred

[Red-Robbo]

34 minutes ago, marcofisher said:

It really has me thinking recently about how much attention should be paid to loan performances. Especially when a lot of our better academy graduates who eventually went for big money performed decently on loan but never turnt up trees. I saw a Sunderland fan comment on a Semenyo to B’mouth Twitter rumour “is that the kid who couldn’t hit a barn door for us?”.

 

 

 

To be fair, he couldn't hit a barn door for us at first, but as we all hoped, once he got off the mark, he started taking his chances as his confidence improved. We could all see he had physical presence and a football brain before then. Well, hopefully all of us. 

[joe jordans teeth]

1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Me too, but you never know how a player might develop.

When they were at AG, who could have predicted Danny Rose would go on to win nearly 30 England caps, whereas Caulker would shuffle through loads of clubs, largely in Turkey, before ending up at Wigan. 

There is a reason for that though 

[italian dave]

16 hours ago, tin said:

I don’t think he’s ready for the PL and I very much doubt he will score the goals to keep AFCB up. He will need to drastically improve his first touch, learn to stay on side, and at least hit the target with half chances like the two he had against Blackburn if he’s to make it at that level. Big step up, but will he care of £50k pw? Doubt it. 

I think that’s the big challenge for him. He misses too high a percentage of chances, and you get a lot fewer chances in the PL. 

[kiwicolin]

17 hours ago, SBB said:

Wont give it much thought. The same as I feel about Joe Bryan and Bobby Reid, enjoyed them while they were here but we’ve all moved on.

You will if Semenyo is sold on ,and wr get some money for the club . 

[maxjak]

What really matters is where Pearson invests for our future.............Antoine is unfortunately now History.

[Red-Robbo]

1 hour ago, joe jordans teeth said:

There is a reason for that though 

 

Very true, but we couldn't predict that based on their loan performances. 

[The Humble Realist]

1 year into the 3 year timescale it's safe to say we didnt rob Bournmouth. 

With a ten million pound fee,its looking like perhaps bournmouth robbed us with Semenyo very much looking a premier league striker now. 

[The Humble Realist]

Interesting to see a lot of people saying he isnt as good as Conway (a year ago)....

[alexukhc]

Well I wished him well and wanted nothing but the best..

slay bitches

[harvey54]

I'll eat humble pie on this one. I thought he was overrated and we'd picked Bournemouths pocket. 

He looks like he could be unstoppable in a couple of years. Heading for a bigger club soon for a healthy profit. With Toney reported to be £50 million minimum he could easily be £25 million soon 

[1960maaan]

He looks the same as he did for us , at times unstoppable , at times a little clumsy . But he's playing at a higher level and so has clearly tidied his game up some .  When he gets a yard to run , his pace and strength are so hard to stop and being able to go either way is big.  
 

[ExiledAjax]

12 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

I'll eat humble pie on this one. I thought he was overrated and we'd picked Bournemouths pocket. 

He looks like he could be unstoppable in a couple of years. Heading for a bigger club soon for a healthy profit. With Toney reported to be £50 million minimum he could easily be £25 million soon 

How often does this actually happen?

Championship > lower PL > Big PL

Off the top of my head I think of Webster, Kelly, Bowen, Watkins who all went up for a decent fee to a smaller PL Club and have stayed with the first club they joined despite all putting in decent performances.

I've not really looked into it but my gut says I'm really not sure that these big second moves actually happen very often unless the club in question gets relegated and they do a mini fire-sale (see Maddison for example).

[1960maaan]

4 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

How often does this actually happen?

Championship > lower PL > Big PL

Off the top of my head I think of Webster, Kelly, Bowen, Watkins who all went up for a decent fee to a smaller PL Club and have stayed with the first club they joined despite all putting in decent performances.

I've not really looked into it but my gut says I'm really not sure that these big second moves actually happen very often unless the club in question gets relegated and they do a mini fire-sale (see Maddison for example).

TBF to those smaller Prem Clubs , they all kicked on higher than expected , probably not Bournemouth yet but Kelly is linked with a big move. Villa finished 7th , Brighton 6th and in Europe and West Ham won a trophy . 
Brownhill was one I thought might get his big move, linked with Liverpool at one point. I wonder if he will go when they get relegated. 

I know what you mean though , foreign players seem to do it ok . Jota , Mccallister . I'm going to have to look out for that now.

[ExiledAjax]

4 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

TBF to those smaller Prem Clubs , they all kicked on higher than expected , probably not Bournemouth yet but Kelly is linked with a big move. Villa finished 7th , Brighton 6th and in Europe and West Ham won a trophy . 
Brownhill was one I thought might get his big move, linked with Liverpool at one point. I wonder if he will go when they get relegated. 

I know what you mean though , foreign players seem to do it ok . Jota , Mccallister . I'm going to have to look out for that now.

Where the club has done well isn't it even more surprising that the ex-championship star hasn't been bought by a "top 6" side?

Brownhill yep another one. Suspect he's a coin flip when they come down. If they get a good offer he'll move but otherwise will stay - he stayed last time they came down right?

I just can't think of many who have done the whole "stepping stone" thing purely on playing success.

Home-grown premium playing a factor maybe? Dunno. Might ask some of my colleagues who do the transfers if they've any theories.

[The Humble Realist]

47 minutes ago, harvey54 said:

I'll eat humble pie on this one. I thought he was overrated and we'd picked Bournemouths pocket. 

He looks like he could be unstoppable in a couple of years. Heading for a bigger club soon for a healthy profit. With Toney reported to be £50 million minimum he could easily be £25 million soon 

Yeah likewise...I thought he would barely play and be at a top 6 championship team on loan by now. 

Really pleased to have been proved wrong though and pleased to see him doing well.

[Mr Popodopolous]

27 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

TBF to those smaller Prem Clubs , they all kicked on higher than expected , probably not Bournemouth yet but Kelly is linked with a big move. Villa finished 7th , Brighton 6th and in Europe and West Ham won a trophy . 
Brownhill was one I thought might get his big move, linked with Liverpool at one point. I wonder if he will go when they get relegated. 

I know what you mean though , foreign players seem to do it ok . Jota , Mccallister . I'm going to have to look out for that now.

Annoyingly for Kelly and us, probably on a free.

Webster, Brownhill and Kelly for that matter haven't moved onwards. (Thinking sell-on potential here) albeit Brighton have moved upwards in their own position and development.

[Leabrook]

Was it @Better Red who said he’s not a striker as they score goals?  So wise. 

[1960maaan]

11 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Annoyingly for Kelly and us, probably on a free.

Webster, Brownhill and Kelly for that matter haven't moved onwards. (Thinking sell-on potential here) albeit Brighton have moved upwards in their own position and development.

Not sure where Webster stands now, appears in about half of the games he's available for. Don't see him moving higher, or us getting a sell on. 

There seems to be an offer on the table, but with bigger Clubs linked it looks like Kelly will go on a free. Again no sell on.

Brownhill I was optimistic about , specially when they went down last time.  Transfermarkt has his contract up in the summer . They do have a years option it seems, but I also read that Wolves were hoping to get him cheap , £7m , which again is no good for us. 

That little sell on bonus is eluding us ATM.

[GrahamC]

11 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Annoyingly for Kelly and us, probably on a free.

Webster, Brownhill and Kelly for that matter haven't moved onwards. (Thinking sell-on potential here) albeit Brighton have moved upwards in their own position and development.

I said all along we won’t get a penny in sell on for any of these players & I stand by it.

Brighton have had Webster’s best years now & he isn’t a first choice there anymore. No way does someone match what we got for him, let alone exceed it.

Brownhill is “poised to move” every January window, but then he never does & presumably him & his agent negotiate a pay rise as a result.

If Kelly had renewed his contract Bournemouth might have got a fee that exceeded what they paid, but they didn’t & they won’t.

Could have, should have, would have, but no sell fees on for us.

[ExiledAjax]

12 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I said all along we won’t get a penny in sell on for any of these players & I stand by it.

Brighton have had Webster’s best years now & he isn’t a first choice there anymore. No way does someone match what we got for him, let alone exceed it.

Brownhill is “poised to move” every January window, but then he never does & presumably him & his agent negotiate a pay rise as a result.

If Kelly had renewed his contract Bournemouth might have got a fee that exceeded what they paid, but they didn’t & they won’t.

Could have, should have, would have, but no sell fees on for us.

I think the sell on clauses still have merit.

For example if Bournemouth get relegated next season then you'd think one of Scott or Semenyo would be sold back into the PL and we would benefit there. You'd rather have the sell on clause in the contract than not.

But I agree that any real value to us in terms of deferred money is likely to be in bonus payments based on performance and achievement.

[GrahamC]

7 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

I think the sell on clauses still have merit.

For example if Bournemouth get relegated next season then you'd think one of Scott or Semenyo would be sold back into the PL and we would benefit there. You'd rather have the sell on clause in the contract than not.

But I agree that any real value to us in terms of deferred money is likely to be in bonus payments based on performance and achievement.

Agree, I was quoting Webster & Brownhill in particular who certain posters seem to obsessively think we are going to further benefit from.

Sell on clauses are always a smart idea, we famously got badly burned by not inserting one for Andy Cole all those years ago & then struck the jackpot with Yannick Bolasie.

[And Its Smith]

Some odd opinions on here looking back

phenomenal player who is now getting on people’s radar 

 

[Kirsikka]

Just popped by to say the same thing. He's been fantastic these past 12 months, is absolutely crucial to our play, and is making waves. If he can keep his levels up this season then I think a lot of clubs will be interested next summer. I assume you have a sell-on, so maybe this could compensate for the Kelly free transfer.

Scott still looks like he has a long way to go but Semenyo is showing genuine Premier League class right now.

[LondonBristolian]

46 minutes ago, Kirsikka said:

Just popped by to say the same thing. He's been fantastic these past 12 months, is absolutely crucial to our play, and is making waves. If he can keep his levels up this season then I think a lot of clubs will be interested next summer. I assume you have a sell-on, so maybe this could compensate for the Kelly free transfer.

Scott still looks like he has a long way to go but Semenyo is showing genuine Premier League class right now.

I’m genuinely delighted he is doing so well. He was a joy to watch for us - at times, it was like watching the best player in the playground running rings around the younger kids - and came across well in interviews too. 

I still feel we got pretty much the best price we could have done based on where he was at the time but I’m really pleased he has had the impact he has.

It’s funny that Scott - who we all thought was better equipped to make an instant impact - has yet to really make his mark. Goes to show that you can never quite tell how players will adapt to a new level of football.

[Mr Popodopolous]

I wonder if he might go to Europe.

Noticed an Atletico fan in my feed just before the season was raving about Semenyo, he reckoned he could slot in well there.

[Northern Red]

Another goal today.

Keep this up and I reckon someone might even take a chance in January.

[Back of the Dolman]

On 27/01/2023 at 20:26, Ivorguy said:

In three years time we will not care, as Conway and Bell, heading for 20 goals apiece, are blasting us to promotion.  Well done Nige.

First time I’ve looked at this thread, I hope you didn’t have a bet on this 

[Fpcity]

I think he'll go higher in the game than Scott.