Massengo - Loan to Auxerre (Confirmed)

[Davefevs]

I’ve been following this guy for ages as he’s generally good on the French football rumours.

[Taz]

100% wages paid then a great deal. To be honest anything over 50% wouldn't be bad given that he's never going to play for us again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[robin_unreliant]

Would it be a free transfer if he leaves in the summer (as stated in the article) or is any compensation involved? I would guess compo only comes into it if you offer a new contract, but we did. 

[Charlie BCFC]

Just now, robin_unreliant said:

Would it be a free transfer if he leaves in the summer (as stated in the article) or is any compensation involved? I would guess compo only comes into it if you offer a new contract, but we did. 

Yep and he’s under 23 so we should

[Davefevs]

Just now, robin_unreliant said:

Would it be a free transfer if he leaves in the summer (as stated in the article) or is any compensation involved? I would guess compo only comes into it if you offer a new contract, but we did. 

You are right, assuming we have offered an equivalent contract then assuming he’s heading abroad we will get compo under FIFA RSTP scheme…and probably something in the region of €300k.

[robin_unreliant]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

You are right, assuming we have offered an equivalent contract then assuming he’s heading abroad we will get compo under FIFA RSTP scheme…and probably something in the region of €300k.

When you say 'equivalent' does that mean at least the current salary? As most players are being offered reduced terms, maybe we wouldn't actually meet that condition? 300k is way below his market value but better than nowt.

[BCFCGav]

I actually think HNM would need replacing more urgently than Antoine.

Forwards: Wells, Weimann, Conway, Bell, Sykes, Martin

CM's (without HNM): Williams, Scott, James, Naismith, King

Granted we've injuries up top but Weimann should be back soon.

Ideally we'd replace both but I think we're a bit worryingly light in the middle. 

[cidered abroad]

Au revoir? Non, goodbye

 

[Davefevs]

13 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

When you say 'equivalent' does that mean at least the current salary? As most players are being offered reduced terms, maybe we wouldn't actually meet that condition? 300k is way below his market value but better than nowt.

Yes, must be same (or more) than current contract.

RSTP is a fixed calculation based on club category and number of years, etc.  It takes no account of player value, wages, fee paid, etc.  It is why I wished he’d find a suitor in this country where compo would likely be higher (under PFCC scheme).

I’m in no way ITK, but it’s my guess that it’s the reason we’ve formally offered him a contract.  Should be re-sign, fantastic, if he doesn’t, we will take the €300k.

[And Its Smith]

‘But we signed him for £7m’ incoming…..

[sh1t_ref_again]

Seems to be a bit on Twitter of HNM to Auxerre, loan to end of season

Edit

Sorry, just seen already in transfer forum (thought that was where I was looking)

Edited January 30, 2023 by sh1t_ref_again
not looking well enough

[iamalagerdrinker]

1 minute ago, And Its Smith said:

‘But we signed him for £7m’ incoming…..

But we signed him for £7m!

[petehinton]

Really really big potential for a very good window over the next few days if this is how the week starts

[Davefevs]

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[Lorenzos Only Goal]

9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yes, must be same (or more) than current contract.

RSTP is a fixed calculation based on club category and number of years, etc.  It takes no account of player value, wages, fee paid, etc.  It is why I wished he’d find a suitor in this country where compo would likely be higher (under PFCC scheme).

I’m in no way ITK, but it’s my guess that it’s the reason we’ve formally offered him a contract.  Should be re-sign, fantastic, if he doesn’t, we will take the €300k.

Lots of players take that route, as it avoids the UK tribunal system, and there is less friction involved.  I have a feeling he's not homesick and is using it as stepping stone to get back into bigger club, I think the training himself was possibly the last straw before Pearson took over.  

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

I think the training himself was possibly the last straw before Pearson took over.  

What is that referring to?  Was he left to train on his own?

[LondonBristolian]

Bottom line is there is no reason for a respected French football journalist to make up a rumour about Bristol City so guessing there is probably something in this.

[Major Isewater]

9 minutes ago, iamalagerdrinker said:

But we signed him for £7m!

And Chelsea were going to pay us £50 m for him at the end of last season. 
 

[iamalagerdrinker]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

What is that referring to?  Was he left to train on his own?

He posted on Social Media him doing some running around Bristol with some training equipment etc 

[Red Army 75]

Good news all round if it happens. 

[The Bard]

20 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

I actually think HNM would need replacing more urgently than Antoine.

Forwards: Wells, Weimann, Conway, Bell, Sykes, Martin

CM's (without HNM): Williams, Scott, James, Naismith, King

Granted we've injuries up top but Weimann should be back soon.

Ideally we'd replace both but I think we're a bit worryingly light in the middle. 

Sorry that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

He 's not played for ages whereas Semenyo was in form and scoring. You're included Martin who is leaving but not mentioned either Khadji or Tsylor-Ckarke who have been on the bench...

[Loco Rojo]

16 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

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Good to see the article suggesting they'll cover the wages too. So assume saving us c£150k (my calculation could be way off) between now and the end of June plus the compensation? Every little helps.

It's a real shame it may end like this though as i think he's a great player and would've loved for him to stay.

Also, doesn't the window for transfers abroad stay open for a bit longer beyond Tuesdays domestic deadline?

[GrahamC]

9 minutes ago, The Bard said:

Sorry that makes no sense whatsoever.

 

He 's not played for ages whereas Semenyo was in form and scoring. You're included Martin who is leaving but not mentioned either Khadji or Tsylor-Ckarke who have been on the bench...

Absolutely.

The current midfield pecking order is James, Naismith & Scott as first picks, then Williams, King, Taylor-Clarke & Kadji.

He’s optimistically our 7th choice, Semenyo was a guaranteed starter with Conway injured.

[GrahamC]

2 minutes ago, Loco Rojo said:

Good to see the article suggesting they'll cover the wages too. So assume saving us c£150k (my calculation could be way off) between now and the end of June plus the compensation? Every little helps.

It's a real shame it may end like this though as i think he's a great player and would've loved for him to stay.

Also, doesn't the window for transfers abroad stay open for a bit longer beyond Tuesdays domestic deadline?

Nope, exactly the same as ours.

[Davefevs]

17 minutes ago, iamalagerdrinker said:

He posted on Social Media him doing some running around Bristol with some training equipment etc 

Ah, yes, dropping his old stuff into a charity shop.

[TonyTonyTony]

Not really sure how i feel about this tbh. He is clearly way down the pecking order, and may as well offload him but i can't help but think HNM has had some shit advice. There is a decent player in their amongst all that hair, but you need to be playing. Concentrate on training well, and play. Show off your talent to get a move away not shut up shop. Disappointing to see a player with such a great opportunity piss around with his own career

[Fontaineofallknowledge]

6 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Not really sure how i feel about this tbh. He is clearly way down the pecking order, and may as well offload him but i can't help but think HNM has had some shit advice. There is a decent player in their amongst all that hair, but you need to be playing. Concentrate on training well, and play. Show off your talent to get a move away not shut up shop. Disappointing to see a player with such a great opportunity piss around with his own career

Sorry what has he done wrong? Just made it clear he isn't going to sign a new contract which is his prerogative. It's up to Nige if he doesn't want to play him-either due to triggering extra payments to Monaco Or to focus on committed players which is fair enough.  Should Han have signed a new contact if he wants to leave?

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

31 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

What is that referring to?  Was he left to train on his own?

I don't know if you remember or not but around the time we had all the injuries, HNM had hired his own help to take care of his strength and conditioning as he wasn't impressed with the clubs efforts on that front.   For me if I was a pro, that would both boil my piss, and nudge me towards the door. 

[real_bristol]

14 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Nope, exactly the same as ours.

What about the window for loans. Does that slam shut on Tuesday as well?

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, Lorenzos Only Goal said:

I don't know if you remember or not but around the time we had all the injuries, HNM had hired his own help to take care of his strength and conditioning as he wasn't impressed with the clubs efforts on that front.   For me if I was a pro, that would both boil my piss, and nudge me towards the door. 

Ah, ok…I know he has a guy that comes in pretty much every morning to do stuff with him before he heads off to Failand.

2 minutes ago, real_bristol said:

What about the window for loans. Does that slam shut on Tuesday as well?

Yes

[robin_unreliant]

7 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said:

Sorry what has he done wrong? Just made it clear he isn't going to sign a new contract which is his prerogative. 

As someone whose priority is bcfc, not HNM, that is exactly what is wrong about his decision imo. I certainly won't be wishing him well when he has cost us a fair chunk of money and shown no desire to commit to the club, which is my priority.

Edited January 30, 2023 by robin_unreliant

[TonyTonyTony]

6 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said:

Sorry what has he done wrong? Just made it clear he isn't going to sign a new contract which is his prerogative. It's up to Nige if he doesn't want to play him-either due to triggering extra payments to Monaco Or to focus on committed players which is fair enough.  Should Han have signed a new contact if he wants to leave?

Technically he has done nothing wrong, but he hasn't played much football. The best thing for your career is to commit, and show it on the pitch. I hope he doesnt regret it

[Shuffle]

8 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Absolutely.

The current midfield pecking order is James, Naismith & Scott as first picks, then Williams, King, Taylor-Clarke & Kadji.

He’s optimistically our 7th choice, Semenyo was a guaranteed starter with Conway injured.

No point in keeping HNM as so far off selection and no intention of staying so save the money.   The above explains why we need to strengthen in other areas imo other than just bringing in Cornick.   We are in essence double counting Naismith as if Atkinson gets injured  but 1) can Naismith play in a  flat back 4 & 2) if loathe to move Naismith who comes in at LCB.    I think the fact we are considering King, TC or Kadji as cover for our existing 3 first choices would significantly weaken us and the latter 2 are certainly no where near ready at this stage to get us out of a dog fight if needs be.  

I think we need but again it’s all opinions a CB, CM and CF & with HNM & hopefully Martin, Klose off the wage bill soon & Bents, Antoine, already gone we need boosting.  I know Weimann,Wilson are close and Pring back this week & out  first eleven is great but we are always an injury or suspension away from a crisis as squad depth lacks both quality and numbers.  We won’t get 4 I know but we can but hope that we are all constantly on here checking for signings.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

I just feel sad about the whole scenario and wonder why and when it turned sour as he, and his family seemed happy in Bristol. I think there's a real player in HNM but, for whatever reason, we never got the best out of him. Always thought we should have played him further forward but it wasn't to be. 

[GrahamC]

3 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

No point in keeping HNM as so far off selection and no intention of staying so save the money.   The above explains why we need to strengthen in other areas imo other than just bringing in Cornick.   We are in essence double counting Naismith as if Atkinson gets injured  but 1) can Naismith play in a  flat back 4 & 2) if loathe to move Naismith who comes in at LCB.    I think the fact we are considering King, TC or Kadji as cover for our existing 3 first choices would significantly weaken us and the latter 2 are certainly no where near ready at this stage to get us out of a dog fight if needs be.  

I think we need but again it’s all opinions a CB, CM and CF & with HNM & hopefully Martin, Klose off the wage bill soon & Bents, Antoine, already gone we need boosting.  I know Weimann,Wilson are close and Pring back this week & out  first eleven is great but we are always an injury or suspension away from a crisis as squad depth lacks both quality and numbers.  We won’t get 4 I know but we can but hope that we are all constantly on here checking for signings.

You’re spot on about double counting Naismith but just like Sykes, I do think that’s a factor in our recruitment strategy in that if you run with small numbers you need versatile players (Vyner is potentially another).

Williams & Kalas are pretty decent first replacement options, accept King is a useful substitute & that’s all.

If this goes through, plus potentially Martin as well then we have the room to bring in 2 now Antoine’s fee has eased our FFP worries.

Going to be an interesting last 36 hours..

[LondonBristolian]

3 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

As someone whose priority is bcfc, not HNM, that is exactly what is wrong about his decision imo. I certainly won't be wishing him well when he has cost us a fair chunk of money and shown no desire to commit to the club, which is my priority.

I’m sorry but it do find this sort of argument to be, for want of a better word, total horseshit.

Football careers are short and plenty of players who do commit to a club - let’s say Taylor Moore, Chris Martin or James Morton to take a range of examples - find the club has no loyalty to them when their form drops off or we find better players.

Any footballer would be a fool to think a club would be loyal to them so why would they show loyalty? We all know how the transfer market works and anyone signing an 18 year old on a four year contract has to expect that it may take two years to find their feet so the last two years at the club are when the interest will be highest. 

You can quite easily say the club screwed up by not taking the cash last January and it certainly unfortunate both club and player clearly expected offers that did not come.

But Massengo has not refused to move to a club we have accepted an offer for and is utterly in his rights to not sign a contract. The error, so far as there is one, is the club failing to judge that he would not sign and move him on in time. I think criticism of the player for that is naive and absurd.

 

[robin_unreliant]

6 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I’m sorry but it do find this sort of argument to be, for want of a better word, total horseshit.

Football careers are short and plenty of players who do commit to a club - let’s say Taylor Moore, Chris Martin or James Morton to take a range of examples - find the club has no loyalty to them when their form drops off or we find better players.

Any footballer would be a fool to think a club would be loyal to them so why would they show loyalty? We all know how the transfer market works and anyone signing an 18 year old on a four year contract has to expect that it may take two years to find their feet so the last two years at the club are when the interest will be highest. 

You can quite easily say the club screwed up by not taking the cash last January and it certainly unfortunate both club and player clearly expected offers that did not come.

But Massengo has not refused to move to a club we have accepted an offer for and is utterly in his rights to not sign a contract. The error, so far as there is one, is the club failing to judge that he would not sign and move him on in time. I think criticism of the player for that is naive and absurd.

 

You not agreeing with a point of view doesn't make it horseshit. My point is, Taylor Moore did his absolute best to make a career at AG, even taking a reduced contract. I would happily applaud him if he returns to AG.

HNM otoh, as is totally his right, spent the last year of his contract trying to leave. What the rights and wrongs of it are I don't know but if he returns it would be a meh from me. 

[Kodjias Wrist]

12 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

You not agreeing with a point of view doesn't make it horseshit. My point is, Taylor Moore did his absolute best to make a career at AG, even taking a reduced contract. I would happily applaud him if he returns to AG.

HNM otoh, as is totally his right, spent the last year of his contract trying to leave. What the rights and wrongs of it are I don't know but if he returns it would be a meh from me. 

Can't say I totally agree although see your point. It was made clear ages ago that he didnt want to sign the new contract. That is such a waste of money and its so frustrating however did we have the opportunity to offload him for say a couple million in the summer? I know the season before there was a bid of around 8m made for him.

If I was a manager looking for a player to come in and saw HNM was a free option but played next to no competitive games in a season, I would be less inclined not to make him an offer. Not being his fault obviously because NP sees it as a waste of effort to play an uninterested player and quite rightly so when we have youngsters chomping at the bit to play.

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, BCFCGav said:

I actually think HNM would need replacing more urgently than Antoine.

Forwards: Wells, Weimann, Conway, Bell, Sykes, Martin

CM's (without HNM): Williams, Scott, James, Naismith, King

Granted we've injuries up top but Weimann should be back soon.

Ideally we'd replace both but I think we're a bit worryingly light in the middle. 

Sykes can play CM too.

[Jerseybean]

Given that HNM wants to leave or at least isn’t prepared to stay on the contract he’s been offered him moving IMO is in everyone’s best interest.

Assuming this loan is confirmed …..

BCFC reduce their wage bill and potential collect something, if only compensation, when he moves permanently

HNM gets to play football in his homeland

What ‘might have been’ is of no relevance as the reality is ‘what is’ which is, a young player not wanting to sign a new contract and preferring to move elsewhere and a manager deciding that he isn’t therefore being selected for the first team.

Will be interesting to see what happens to his career in the future.

 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Is a shame tbh. Think he has some good attributes and is still young,  sure he'd be in and around the squad had he signed his deal when on the table but we are where we are.

Was actually thinking the other day post Bentley that along the same lines as Cornick that if we could offload Klose, Massengo for contractual reasons and Martin too all this window then we could look to bring forward a couple more recruitment plans.

[LondonBristolian]

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Sykes can play CM too.

As can Weimann. And of course we have Benarous in the long term.

At the beginning of the window, I would have said defensive midfield was our priority. Naismith seems to be addressing that, plus Kadji and Taylor-Clarke seem to be being integrated so there may be a hope one or both will be ready to be more involved next season. 
 

We are admittedly likely to lose King, or have him playing a smaller role, but I imagine the club is trying to balance a slight gap at central midfield in the short term with maintaining the pathway in the longer term. One solution might be a loan but that obviously depends on who is available.

[Tony Tootle]

Cheerio you hipster nob. He hasn’t improved as a footballer since joining us but his arty street photography has definitely got better.

[Red-Robbo]

Well he's going a top-flight club, albeit a struggling one. Can't blame him. He wants to get game time.

I think those that said in the right sort of set-up he'd thrive and show his class, are right. We've never really had that here. Our systems haven't suited. It may be that English league football full-stop doesn't suit him. 

I wish him well, because if the report is correct, we aren't going to be seeing him again. 

[DaveF]

5 minutes ago, Tony Tootle said:

Cheerio you hipster nob. He hasn’t improved as a footballer since joining us but his arty street photography has definitely got better.

So bitter...

[alexukhc]

9 minutes ago, Tony Tootle said:

Cheerio you hipster nob. He hasn’t improved as a footballer since joining us but his arty street photography has definitely got better.

Tony Pootle

[mozo]

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Absolutely.

The current midfield pecking order is James, Naismith & Scott as first picks, then Williams, King, Taylor-Clarke & Kadji.

He’s optimistically our 7th choice, Semenyo was a guaranteed starter with Conway injured.

 

1 hour ago, TonyTonyTony said:

Not really sure how i feel about this tbh. He is clearly way down the pecking order, and may as well offload him but i can't help but think HNM has had some shit advice. There is a decent player in their amongst all that hair, but you need to be playing. Concentrate on training well, and play. Show off your talent to get a move away not shut up shop. Disappointing to see a player with such a great opportunity piss around with his own career

He's only down the pecking order because the club are taking a hard line on his personal agenda. 

People can claim he's not a talent if they like but I beg to differ.

Ultimately good for all parties now for him to go though.

[!james]

So we didn't buy him for Chelsea after all?! Worth telling their new owner we had an agreement in place, he seems pretty mental. 

[mozo]

Just now, !james said:

So we didn't buy him for Chelsea after all?! Worth telling their new owner we had an agreement in place, he seems pretty mental. 

Well that theory was just dreamt up on this forum but if we can confuse Chelsea into coughing up for him I'm all for that!

[ScottishRed]

2 minutes ago, mozo said:

Well that theory was just dreamt up on this forum but if we can confuse Chelsea into coughing up for him I'm all for that!

Given what they are doing I think that is an excellent suggestion.

Lets start at £50m and a 10 year deal for HNM.

[TonyTonyTony]

I bet his song at Auxerre won't be anywhere near as good as ours.

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

I bet his song at Auxerre won't be anywhere near as good as ours.

Crème de menthe has too many syllables 

[ashton_fan]

He was really bright when he started for us but has probably regressed since he's been here,  in France he'll be able to play the type of football he was coached to as a youngster and I'm sure he'll do well. For whatever reason it hasn't worked out for him here, it was always a gamble signing him

[sh1t_ref_again]

I know opinions are split on HNM, but I think its a real shame that its not worked out as would love to have seen Han and Scott develop as our midfield as I rated Han and he was part of our best run of results earlier this season.

Some of the comments are a bit of a joke, it has never been said that he is uninterested or does not want to play for us, purely he has decided not to sign a new contract, either the offer that has been made was not good enough or perhaps he feels his future development would be better elsewhere. The club has known this for a long time, so have had plenty of time to move him on or change the offer, but making him an outcast was never going to make another club want to come and pay money for him.

We will never know the real reason why he has been sidelined (NP said previously he trains well and is ready to play if selected), so either NP has decided to make an example of him as what happens if you don't sign a contract, or there is some truth in the appearance payments.

As for down the order and not needed again a bit of a joke, yes behind Scott and James, similar level to Williams, (behind Nailsmith in current setup), but ahead of King and any of the other U21's, there have been games when we have needed a change and energy from the bench and not had it, so as we have been paying his wages and not had a problem with attitude then made no sense, particularly if 1 or 2 points make a difference at the end of the season.

[Marina's Rolls Royce]

An ignominious end to what initially seemed like a player who would have a legendary career at BS3- however brief.

It does also appear that the Chelsea conspiracy theorists may have been somewhat mistaken.

[mozo]

2 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

An ignominious end to what initially seemed like a player who would have a legendary career at BS3- however brief.

It does also appear that the Chelsea conspiracy theorists may have been somewhat mistaken.

I think it was @Johnny Musicworkswho accidentally started the Chelsea conspiracy theory?

It's sad to put that to bed now tbh 

[Midred]

Some on here were suggesting that his father might have influenced Han Noah, hopefully this isn't the issue as it hasn't always worked out with father/son management? 

Where's that young lad Clough now? 

[Johnny Musicworks]

26 minutes ago, mozo said:

I think it was @Johnny Musicworkswho accidentally started the Chelsea conspiracy theory?

It's sad to put that to bed now tbh 

 

26 minutes ago, mozo said:

I think it was @Johnny Musicworkswho accidentally started the Chelsea conspiracy theory?

It's sad to put that to bed now tbh 

Indeed it was I. A passing thought that went to a whole different level of speculation. 

[bcfc01]

43 minutes ago, Midred said:

Some on here were suggesting that his father might have influenced Han Noah, hopefully this isn't the issue as it hasn't always worked out with father/son management? 

Where's that young lad Clough now? 

Now 27 and playing for Adelaide Utd in Oz.

[Simon bristol]

I quite like massengo, and that he chose to give up monaco to play for us, and he caught the imagination of younger fans with the hair, and being young and cool. but when you see the impact of scott as a young midfielder who has come in, theres clearly no comparison, had massengo had that impact promised after playing in the champions league so young and with all the add ons to that fee, then it would be a different ball game,, but he really hasnt.

the main problem is this is yet another multi million pound transfer that went wrong and the player is going to leave for free/ nominal compensation. knowing ashton, it no doubt stroked his ego dealing with monaco to do the deal, but apart from 1 or 2 moments of magic it just hasnt worked out.

[P'head Red]

It will be sad to see the back of HNM. But it's been on the cards for much of the season. The lad doesn't belong in the u21s

[mozo]

38 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said:

 

Indeed it was I. A passing thought that went to a whole different level of speculation. 

I found it really entertaining! 

[Kid in the Riot]

I put the blame more with the club than Massengo on this one. Fact is, we're the ones that dished out a big transfer fee (£2.7m) and lavish wages for a player that ultimately hasn't lived up to that kind of financial commitment.

We're the ones that couldn't really find a definitive position for HNM in the starting 11.

It's been my understanding that the player/player's reps have made it clear for a long time (more than a year ago) that he wouldn't be signing a new deal. Problem was, because of what we paid for HNM in fees and wages, it was very unlikely any club interested was going to be able to afford the fees and wages required to take him off us. Until now of course, when Auxerre (promoted last season from Ligue 2) can probably just about afford him and take the chance he may help them to stay up.

Most of us were delighted to see the club take this kind of calculated risk when we signed HNM. But signing young players from abroad is high risk unless they are exceptional talents. This gamble just didn't quite work out.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Kid in the Riot

[Agard Days Night]

Massengo? More like Massengone 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Ironically although it may leave us a little exposed at times, Massengo and his energy combined with reasonable technical ability could probably slot into the current CM 3. Ship has not just sailed but gone round two sets of harbours but always thought he's best suited to a CM 3. Perhaps a genuine 4-3-3 or something closer to a bit like what we're playing now.

Edited January 30, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[DaveF]

24 minutes ago, Agard Days Night said:

Massengo? More like Massengone 

That is superb work.

[Tony Tootle]

2 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

He's been a joy to watch

Can you explain what about his performances have been a joy to watch? I can only think of one game where he was outstanding and that was Derby away in August 2019.

[Fordy62]

5 hours ago, And Its Smith said:

‘But we signed him for £7m’ incoming…..

Were we signing him on behalf of Chelsea or something like that?

[Davefevs]

17 minutes ago, Tony Tootle said:

Can you explain what about his performances have been a joy to watch? I can only think of one game where he was outstanding and that was Derby away in August 2019.

Oh dear.  Joy to watch doesn’t have to be outstanding, can be good, decent, pretty good, etc.

[Tony Tootle]

3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Oh dear.  Joy to watch doesn’t have to be outstanding, can be good, decent, pretty good, etc.

In your opinion. In my mind it is something that could be considered marvellous or wonderful which is different. Alex Scott’s performance on Saturday was a joy to watch.