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Massengo - Loan to Auxerre (Confirmed)

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3 minutes ago, Tony Tootle said:

In your opinion. In my mind it is something that could be considered marvellous or wonderful which is different. Alex Scott’s performance on Saturday was a joy to watch.

How many many players in the last 50 years can we measure against Alex Scott is that is your yard stick

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PHILINFRANCE

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4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Well he's going a top-flight club, albeit a struggling one. Can't blame him. He wants to get game time.

I think those that said in the right sort of set-up he'd thrive and show his class, are right.

Although Auxerre are again struggling, they have a rich history.

It's just a shame the great Guy Roux is no longer there, otherwise he would have Han-Noah playing for France within a season or two.

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2 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

He's technically brilliant, his jinking runs and use of sublime pieces of skill like in tight areas was always a highlight for me. His ball mastery and willingness to receive under pressure (thankfully, Scott is even better at this) were the elements of his game that made me think he could be a midfielder who would take us to the next level in terms of style of play. 

A bit OTT to say the least that. 

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LondonBristolian

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2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I put the blame more with the club than Massengo on this one. Fact is, we're the ones that dished out a big transfer fee (£2.7m) and lavish wages for a player that ultimately hasn't lived up to that kind of financial commitment.

We're the ones that couldn't really find a definitive position for HNM in the starting 11.

It's been my understanding that the player/player's reps have made it clear for a long time (more than a year ago) that he wouldn't be signing a new deal. Problem was, because of what we paid for HNM in fees and wages, it was very unlikely any club interested was going to be able to afford the fees and wages required to take him off us. Until now of course, when Auxerre (promoted last season from Ligue 2) can probably just about afford him and take the chance he may help them to stay up.

Most of us were delighted to see the club take this kind of calculated risk when we signed HNM. But signing young players from abroad is high risk unless they are exceptional talents. This gamble just didn't quite work out.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I know I said this on another post but I think big lesson here is that it's not worth signing a young player from abroad, even on a four year contract, unless they are ready to compete for a place immediately. If they are going to take a couple of years to get up to speed, and they've clearly moved to us as a stepping stone, then it's fairly predictable that we'll end up in a situation where they have two years to go on their contract and are eyeing up their next move before we've got value for money for them.

It's a bit different with someone like Bajic or Ivan Lukic a few years ago, as both moved on a free and are low risk if it doesn't work. But the major issue with Massengo is the risk just wasn't that well calculated in the first place. 

You're right that it's easy for me, as someone who doesn't work in football, to sit and say this with the benefit of hindsight. But I do think it is the kind of thing that anyone who actually works in football recruitment should have seen from the very beginning. 

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2 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Although Auxerre are again struggling, they have a rich history.

It's just a shame the great Guy Roux is no longer there, otherwise he would have Han-Noah playing for France within a season or two.

Seeing as he’s 84 now that would be a reign almost as long as the late Queen.

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1 minute ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

The statement is very brief for a player we are highly unlikely to ever see again.

perhaps it was rushed because of the FA Cup draw? It only appeared on Twitter just before the draw.

Shame to see him go but if he doesn't want to be here, what can you do?

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22 minutes ago, Nongazeuse said:

We were expecting the Messiah but he just turned out be a naughty little boy.

Cool hair, plenty of energy but ultimately a very average player who can tackle a bit but his passing is hit and miss and he can't shoot at all.

Bonne Chance a l'avenir!

Good luck to him. He's only 21 so still has plenty of time ahead of him to deliver what unfortunately for whatever reason he couldn't for us. I enjoyed his endeavours just a shame about the lack of goals. Think a goal would have made all the difference.

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I think a lot of people didn’t really get what he brought to the team because they focussed too much on goals (none) and assists (lack of).

But if anyone is interested this is worth a read (switch of translate option):

Data Scout is like my French Brother from another Mother!!!

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10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I think a lot of people didn’t really get what he brought to the team because they focussed too much on goals (none) and assists (lack of).

But if anyone is interested this is worth a read (switch of translate option):

Data Scout is like my French Brother from another Mother!!!

I was wondering how long he’d been collating and storing that data for this day? A few months I expect 

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1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Their next game is away to Monaco.

Yeah if that had been later in the season and he was playing regularly I might have gone to that.

There’s a few Monaco fans shouting their opinions on twitter today, some happy for him some still fuming he left them for us.

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7 hours ago, An Outstanding Human said:

Another day, another expensive and well paid asset having to go for little to nothing, another reminder of how poorly the club has been run over the last few years.

Pearson identified his contract issue as soon as he arrived here. 

For a young player he was on a hell of a lot of money so like others he was told if he were to sign it would be on reduced terms. 

To begin with Pearson gave him every opportunity to sign a new deal and show him that he was at the best club to progress his career.

HNM is a wise young man. He is a hard worker and he brought his family to Bristol with him. He had all the ingredients to be a Nigel Pearson type player. He would have flourished under Pearson however he was poorly advised by his agents. 

Once Nigel knew this he simply gave up on him and got him out of the 1st team. No point in wasting time and resources on a player that had began to think he could do better than us. 

Glad that we've got his wages off the payroll and although it will be small we will recieve some sort of fee for him I believe when he signs for a new club?

Pearson won't let this happen again. Hence why Semenyo was sold now. He was going to be sold in the summer but his injury put clubs off. But moving forward if a player shows no interest in signing a new deal, they'll be gone whilst we can get decent money for them.

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11 hours ago, Northern Red said:

Because he hasn't permanently gone yet.

Yes he has. He's no doubt signed a six month contract with Auxerre and his contract here expires in six months. In what scenario is he likely to still be a Bristol City player on July 1st.

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3 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Pearson identified his contract issue as soon as he arrived here. 

For a young player he was on a hell of a lot of money so like others he was told if he were to sign it would be on reduced terms. 

To begin with Pearson gave him every opportunity to sign a new deal and show him that he was at the best club to progress his career.

HNM is a wise young man. He is a hard worker and he brought his family to Bristol with him. He had all the ingredients to be a Nigel Pearson type player. He would have flourished under Pearson however he was poorly advised by his agents. 

Once Nigel knew this he simply gave up on him and got him out of the 1st team. No point in wasting time and resources on a player that had began to think he could do better than us. 

Glad that we've got his wages off the payroll and although it will be small we will recieve some sort of fee for him I believe when he signs for a new club?

Pearson won't let this happen again. Hence why Semenyo was sold now. He was going to be sold in the summer but his injury put clubs off. But moving forward if a player shows no interest in signing a new deal, they'll be gone whilst we can get decent money for them.

Do you think there's any truth in the 100 league appearances element? 

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1 hour ago, Sir Geoff said:

Yes he has. He's no doubt signed a six month contract with Auxerre and his contract here expires in six months. In what scenario is he likely to still be a Bristol City player on July 1st.

I wonder if he’s got a longer deal with Auxerre ready to go ( I think players are able to negotiate with potential suitors 6 months before a contract ends). 

Auxerre offered a very small fee to buy him now, along the lines of what they hope/anticipate the tribunal will set. We have higher hopes/expectations and wanted more. So the 6 month loan is a compromise and then see what the tribunal set. 

Just a theory! 

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40 minutes ago, italian dave said:

I wonder if he’s got a longer deal with Auxerre ready to go ( I think players are able to negotiate with potential suitors 6 months before a contract ends). 

Auxerre offered a very small fee to buy him now, along the lines of what they hope/anticipate the tribunal will set. We have higher hopes/expectations and wanted more. So the 6 month loan is a compromise and then see what the tribunal set. 

Just a theory! 

There was no option to buy as part of the loan.  That’s not to say there isn’t something stuffed in the drawer!

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

There was no option to buy as part of the loan.  That’s not to say there isn’t something stuffed in the drawer!

But option to buy normally requires a price?….…I think they may have just both agreed to wait and see what the tribunal says. As I say, entirely supposition!! 

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4 minutes ago, italian dave said:

But option to buy normally requires a price?….…I think they may have just both agreed to wait and see what the tribunal says. As I say, entirely supposition!! 

There is no tribunal.  Assuming we have offered him a contract of equivalent wage to his current one we will get compo based on a set FIFA formula (RSTP compo scheme) as it’s a cross border transfer.  Assuming Auxerre are a FIFA Cat 1 club then we should get €90k per year here (€360k total).  If they are classed as Cat 2, then it’s €60k per year here.  It’s why I usually say circa €300k (split the difference).

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

There is no tribunal.  Assuming we have offered him a contract of equivalent wage to his current one we will get compo based on a set FIFA formula (RSTP compo scheme) as it’s a cross border transfer.  Assuming Auxerre are a FIFA Cat 1 club then we should get €90k per year here (€360k total).  If they are classed as Cat 2, then it’s €60k per year here.  It’s why I usually say circa €300k (split the difference).

Ah, OK, thanks Dave. I didn’t realise it was a fixed formula. I’m still in the days of us stealing Alan Walsh via a tribunal!! 

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Rocking Red Cyril

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On 30/01/2023 at 09:31, Davefevs said:

You are right, assuming we have offered an equivalent contract then assuming he’s heading abroad we will get compo under FIFA RSTP scheme…and probably something in the region of €300k. ?

But if he plays and plays well some  one else might come in for him and we get a transfer fee. Or am I miles off the mark 

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