mozo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Wanderingred said: I love these kind of questions! Here goes! In February 2006, after a 1-0 home defeat to Brentford, we sat 22nd in the League 1 table with 35 points from 32 games. We then won 9, Drew 2 and lost only 1 of our next 12 games to put us in contention for a playoff place with two games to go. We only Drew with Swindon, then lost to champions Southend so we missed out eventually but I think that’s the biggest end of season turnaround I can remember. We also made a mad dash to the playoffs in 1997 after replacing Joe Jordan with John Ward… six straight wins taking us from around 10th-11th to the playoffs. Great answer! Was 2006 Gary Johnson's second season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, mozo said: Great answer! Was 2006 Gary Johnson's second season? 1ST - he joined in Oct. 05 or thereabouts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 No chance of play offs (yet) Top 10 finish would be the very best to hope for this season. Besides, there's an FA Cup up for grabs isn't there??.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 15 minutes ago, headhunter said: 1ST - he joined in Oct. 05 or thereabouts Ah, so we had endured the 8 or 9 consecutive defeats, the grenades had been launched, and GJ finally got the dressing room on side and we went on a run. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 Top 6 is 33/1 on BET365 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 5 hours ago, mozo said: Ah, so we had endured the 8 or 9 consecutive defeats, the grenades had been launched, and GJ finally got the dressing room on side and we went on a run. Exactly this. Not a “proper” manager though, he got promoted in his first full season, then playoff final in his second full one.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 37 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Exactly this. Not a “proper” manager though, he got promoted in his first full season, then playoff final in his second full one.. I really hope I don't start a debate now, but I'm always surprised when people talk disrespectfully about Gary and Lee Johnson. They both led City to something special in their time here, and whilst they weren't perfect (what manager is?!), they at the very least deserve respect. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 On 07/02/2023 at 09:39, mozo said: Well... Watford play Blackburn next, and a draw might suit us (supposing we get on a winning streak - the hard ... Just beating Norwich sounds hard enough mind... We won... Watford drew... Mission Impossible is on track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, mozo said: We won... Watford drew... Mission Impossible is on track! I'm not so concerned about Watford or Blackburn. It's Millwall and Luton that we might not yet be on a level with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: I'm not so concerned about Watford or Blackburn. It's Millwall and Luton that we might not yet be on a level with I'm not now including them in my thinking. Only teams from 6th and down are of interest atm... Sunderland we play in a week. And Watford have tough games... In literally 7 days, we could be right in the mix. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 On Tuesday, Norwich play Hull, and on Wednesday, Preston play Luton and Blackburn play at West Brom. If we beat Wigan (THE HARD BIT!), then we'll be right in the mix! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Momentum is building Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cornick Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Seems likely that by the time we play Burnley and Sheffield U their seasons will already be all but over, secure in 1st and 2nd place respectively. Rather than writing those games off as some seem to be doing, surely it's fair to think we've been smiled on by Lady Luck, and that it's the very best time of the season to stand a chance of getting points from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) Hmm, I'm still thinking no unfortunately. Yet to catch up with the last 2-3 post and pre game stuff but. It's a major ask. After the round of fixtures on and just after Boxing Day we were 8 points off the play9ffs. 24 games (6th place Millwall had played 23). After a League only run of 12 pts from 6 games, GD +4 the gap is 7 pts. In effect we've had top two or three PPG and still only cut the gap by one point although unlike after Boxing Day it is us with the game in hand as opposed to the game more. Doubt it though- top 2 are gone, Middlesbrough look strong, very strong, WBA dip or slump- time will tell, Sunderland look strong albeit Simms out Geldhardt in plus crucially Stewart out, hmm. Hull don't lose often under Rosenior although we could be closing on them, Millwall have a game in hand and given they play Luton one or both may benefit. Blackburn, Norwich, Watford and Preston all stalling however. Edited February 13, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Hmm, I'm still thinking no unfortunately. Yet to catch up with the last 2-3 post and pre game stuff but. It's a major ask. After the round of fixtures on and just after Boxing Day we were 8 points off the play9ffs. 24 games (6th place Millwall had played 23). After a League only run of 12 pts from 6 games, GD +4 the gap is 7 pts. In effect we've had top two or three PPG and still only cut the gap by one point although unlike after Boxing Day it is us with the game in hand as opposed to the game more. Doubt it though- top 2 are gone, Middlesbrough look strong, very strong, WBA dip or slump- time will tell, Sunderland look strong albeit Simms out Geldhardt in plus crucially Stewart out, hmm. Hull don't lose often under Rosenior although we could be closing on them, Millwall have a game in hand and given they play Luton one or both may benefit. Blackburn, Norwich, Watford and Preston all stalling however. I’m a big fan of picking up points / staying unbeaten to keep things ticking over, but…the way to move up the table in sequences of wins. We’ve managed to back up a win with another win 3 times this season. If we could somehow manage to make this 4 wins on the spin, ie. win our next 2, the likelihood is that 7 points gap will be more like 4 or 5. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I’m a big fan of picking up points / staying unbeaten to keep things ticking over, but…the way to move up the table in sequences of wins. We’ve managed to back up a win with another win 3 times this season. If we could somehow manage to make this 4 wins on the spin, ie. win our next 2, the likelihood is that 7 points gap will be more like 4 or 5. Perhaps yeah. Not sure I fancy us to win at Sunderland but I could certainly see us getting 4 from 2, ie win Wednesday and draw Saturday. Then perhaps win the next two League games v Hull and Cardiff is it. That said if we are counter attacking that in turn helps us in the road at a play-off rival. Plus think the underlying numbers underpinning our performances though strong aren't too 6 yet so that's another secondary consideration- will lesser underlying numbers than a typical play-off side catch up with results again. One game at a time anyway for me- see where it takes us and very much enjoying it atm! Edited February 13, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Plus think the underlying numbers underpinning our performances though strong aren't too 6 yet so that's another secondary consideration Totally agree. It’s a shame we didn’t get a few more points we deserved earlier this season. We could easily be 3,4,5 points better off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 The run against the bottom four clubs plus Hull and Reading are crucial. The other thing to bear in mind is we play Burnley and Sheff Utd very late in the season, when both may well already be promoted. Whilst games against already relegated sides are dangerous, already promoted sides tend to turn up to their remaining games with the sun tan oil and deck chairs at the ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Totally agree. It’s a shame we didn’t get a few more points we deserved earlier this season. We could easily be 3,4,5 points better off. The 3 home games v Sheffield United, Watford and Stoke certainly spring to mind for me. 1 point and 1 goal was all we got...merited 5-7 pts I thought. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 On 05/02/2023 at 10:50, petehinton said: We’ll know where we really are after these block of games April will really see where we sit as far as competing with the top teams though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: April will really see where we sit as far as competing with the top teams though. Exactly, we will either play those games as genuine play off battle games or as fairly non eventful ones as far as the end of season goes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Need 10 wins for the play-offs. Won’t happen as championship too tight a league (except the top 2) but top 10 is something realistic that can be achieved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Burnley and Sheff Utd will be up by the time we play them, which might work in our favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: I’m a big fan of picking up points / staying unbeaten to keep things ticking over, but…the way to move up the table in sequences of wins. We’ve managed to back up a win with another win 3 times this season. If we could somehow manage to make this 4 wins on the spin, ie. win our next 2, the likelihood is that 7 points gap will be more like 4 or 5. 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Perhaps yeah. Not sure I fancy us to win at Sunderland but I could certainly see us getting 4 from 2, ie win Wednesday and draw Saturday. Then perhaps win the next two League games v Hull and Cardiff is it. That said if we are counter attacking that in turn helps us in the road at a play-off rival. Plus think the underlying numbers underpinning our performances though strong aren't too 6 yet so that's another secondary consideration- will lesser underlying numbers than a typical play-off side catch up with results again. One game at a time anyway for me- see where it takes us and very much enjoying it atm! When I outlined our path to glory earlier in the thread (pre-Norwich), it was predicated on us having to win our next three games. One game gone and a win in the bag, Wigan next. But yep that Sunderland game looks really tricky and really is crucial to us catching ground. We don't need to win it pretty. Any kind of wins will do now. But we need wins. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Med/MadHatter Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 A month ago I put 100 bucks down at +3000, so basically 30/1to finish in the top 6, also put down 100 bucks on us to win the FA Cup at +45000, I just want us to avenge our 1909 defeat against Man U :laugh: 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 13 hours ago, mozo said: When I outlined our path to glory earlier in the thread (pre-Norwich), it was predicated on us having to win our next three games. One game gone and a win in the bag, Wigan next. But yep that Sunderland game looks really tricky and really is crucial to us catching ground. We don't need to win it pretty. Any kind of wins will do now. But we need wins. Sunderland's away record is better than their home record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 This thread is 12 months early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Scores tonight not going our way. City must win the next two or I won't mention playoffs again this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Watford winning at Burnley is a massive coupon buster! Millwall losing is welcome but others not so much- problem is that Millwall v Luton from December still needs rescheduling so a game in hand on either it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citywest30 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 See I thought results tonight were pretty good for us - QPR, Millwall, Coventry all losing. Just seen Reading gone 2-1 up tho and thought they'd only got a point when I started typing. Still overall, not bad imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Coventry beat Millwall. If Norwich get on a run that's another challenge for the playoffs, but Hull losing means we close in on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity1987 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Watford winning at Burnley is a massive coupon buster! Millwall losing is welcome but others not so much- problem is that Millwall v Luton from December still needs rescheduling so a game in hand on either it isn't. boom 8 points off 6th 2 games in hand Cheers Burnley 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 That is very welcome news! Blackburn play WBA tomorrow, one or both drop points. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 25 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said: boom 8 points off 6th 2 games in hand Cheers Burnley We could be 5 points off Watford tomorrow with a game in hand and we play them in April... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosey Boy Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, mozo said: We could be 5 points off Watford tomorrow with a game in hand and we play them in April... Calm! As I said previously in this thread, this (Wigan at home) is the sort of game we have a tendency to slip up in…..I hope I’m wrong tomorrow night! COYRs….let’s do it tomorrow 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Still one game, time a at. Rearrange that! Yeah though, game by game- step by step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightyreds89 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Tomorrow night is must win, 4 points from the next 2 games would be great. 6 would be out of this world. I see 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Are we keeping the title up to date? Oddschecker showing 30/1, 66/1 even if you really think the bookies are wrong. It's not happening lads. Gamble responsibly and keep your £ in your pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbytheriver Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Ifs,buts,and maybe's,if my auntie had balls,she would be my uncle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 This is one time i'd be very happy to be wrong - but it's not happening. We've gone on a lovely (much needed) run in the league - 3 wins 3 draws since last game of December. But I'm not fooled by the league table, string some results together at the bottom and you can see quick progress up the table - but that slows down the higher you get as everyone around you is picking up points. It's VERY hard to make up an 8 point difference to the team in 6th whilst also overtaking all 8 teams in between us and them. For me the good run has also been in part due to the way the fixture list ebbs and flows - All teams not in either the playoffs or bottom 3. The most notable wins vs Norwich home (8th in league and 9th in form table) and Preston away (14th in league and 17th in form table) - as good as they were, not exactly 'statement wins'. The next 6/7 games sees us playing teams fighting for lives or in top 6 (except Hull) - so will be a tougher test in a way. I think as the fixtures even themselves out we'll be nicely placed upper mid table. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 24 minutes ago, Alessandro said: But I'm not fooled by the league table, string some results together at the bottom and you can see quick progress up the table - but that slows down the higher you get as everyone around you is picking up points. It's VERY hard to make up an 8 point difference to the team in 6th whilst also overtaking all 8 teams in between us and them. This guy gets it. It's those teams in between us and the team in 6th that people forget about. We have to not only be better (ie have a better points per game rate) than the team in 6th, but also better than every team between us and that team in 6th. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReds Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 12 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: boom 8 points off 6th 2 games in hand Cheers Burnley The trouble is Millwall are 1 point off with 2 games in hand, Blackburn 2 points, WB 3 points both with 2 games in hand, we also have a horrendous run nearer the end of the season. I'd be amazed if we finish within 6 points of 6th, would love to be wrong but just cannot see it as we would need so many things to align. Just hoping for some more decent, consistent performances and a few youngsters get given some League experience when we are totally safe, and a Cup Final... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 2 hours ago, johnbytheriver said: Ifs,buts,and maybe's,if my auntie had balls,she would be my uncle! Surely that just makes your auntie a hermaphrodite?! You should really be more sensitive to her condition, bless her! 25 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said: This guy gets it. It's those teams in between us and the team in 6th that people forget about. We have to not only be better (ie have a better points per game rate) than the team in 6th, but also better than every team between us and that team in 6th. But, but, but... those sides aren't that many points above us so across the remainder of the season we don't have to be that much better ppg. Really, it's about winning the six-pointers which makes this such a difficult task. Norwich is ticked off which brings them within reach (we potentially only need one more win than them from now on). Sunderland will be must win, as will Watford in April. It's nice to dream! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 It’s being Bristol City… 4 minutes ago, mozo said: which makes this such a difficult task 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 What are we thinking for Watford v West Brom- would we rather home win, draw or away win? Table as it stands. I'd say top six looks beyond us, top half or perhaps with some luck top 10 (ie 10th) more realistic as a goal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: What are we thinking for Watford v West Brom- would we rather home win, draw or away win? Table as it stands. I'd say top six looks beyond us, top half or perhaps with some luck top 10 (ie 10th) more realistic as a goal. Even I'm not entertaining the idea of a playoff push now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: What are we thinking for Watford v West Brom- would we rather home win, draw or away win? Table as it stands. I'd say top six looks beyond us, top half or perhaps with some luck top 10 (ie 10th) more realistic as a goal. West Brom win would seem to be the best result for us. We have played them twice in the league already and a win now might revive their own promotion hopes, whereas a loss for Watford puts them at risk from everyone behind, even including us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, mozo said: Even I'm not entertaining the idea of a playoff push now To stand any chance of making the playoffs, we would have to win pretty much every match between now and playing Middlesbrough, because there don’t appear to be many wins likely in April. So the playoffs are not impossible but highly unlikely. And certainly more than 20/1. However, if we were to fail to reach the playoffs by 3 points or less, that first game refereeing debacle at Hull becomes even more important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 15 minutes ago, mozo said: Even I'm not entertaining the idea of a playoff push now Same. That margin for error just looked too thin- stranger things have happened but we're still building back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 1-1 now. Wait, 2-1 Watford! Edited February 20, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) Make that 2-2! Wait, as we were- 3-2 Watford! Table was as I posted. 8 pts ofd 6th, same games played- that would be Sunderland. Joint 6th are Millwall who have a game in hand on us, which is vs Luton who are 4th, 9 pts above us but same number of games played. In short... Edited February 20, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topper 123 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 We just need to take each game as it comes no eyes on game to follow , forget Man City and let’s get the 3 points sat THEN just enjoy Man City game more important is the Cardiff match .Let’s keep improving and keep believing COYR 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 8 minutes ago, Magger1 said: We just need to take each game as it comes no eyes on game to follow , forget Man City and let’s get the 3 points sat THEN just enjoy Man City game more important is the Cardiff match .Let’s keep improving and keep believing COYR This is ultimately the best approach, agreed. Game by game, step by step. Still don't see the playoffs as being on but one game at a time, enjoy- leave everything on the pitch and see where it takes us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Gaining 8 points on one team is perfectly plausible if we remain strong and they fall away - but getting past 9 teams, each with a head start on us, would require very strong form. Having got rid of losses (for now at least), we’d also need to reduce draws significantly. Not sure a Burnley-esque run of form is likely, but if we have one, play offs are in reach. Worse form than heroic and we’ll be beaten to the play-offs by one of the other nine having a slightly better run than us (or the same/worse, but maintaining their existing advantage). Not sure 20/1 is terrible value, accepting bookies will be pricing over round, 25/1 or 33/1 maybe more mathematically accurate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 (edited) 25/1 now the shortest I've seen on oddschecker. Edited February 20, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 12 hours ago, Dr Balls said: To stand any chance of making the playoffs, we would have to win pretty much every match between now and playing Middlesbrough, because there don’t appear to be many wins likely in April. So the playoffs are not impossible but highly unlikely. And certainly more than 20/1. However, if we were to fail to reach the playoffs by 3 points or less, that first game refereeing debacle at Hull becomes even more important. Not many wins likely in April? if we carry on improving like we have over the last 6 weeks or so I feel we should fear nobody in this division. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I appreciate its good to finish as strongly as possible, but do we actually want to be in the playoffs? I mean, would we want to get promoted with a squad that has spent half the season closer to the relegation zone? I think I’d rather finish about tenth with a view to another improvement next season. If by chance we got promoted in the playoffs now, I suspect next season would be utter humiliation. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calculus Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 8 minutes ago, Leveller said: I appreciate its good to finish as strongly as possible, but do we actually want to be in the playoffs? I mean, would we want to get promoted with a squad that has spent half the season closer to the relegation zone? I think I’d rather finish about tenth with a view to another improvement next season. If by chance we got promoted in the playoffs now, I suspect next season would be utter humiliation. Am sure the same could have been said of Forest last year and they're now 13th in the Prem. Opportunities don't come often and whenever the next happens it will be difficult. Not likely we'll do it this year but if we can we should make the most of it. If we don't then we could end up losing some good young players and the cycle starts again. Sooner the better for me. COYR! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 27 minutes ago, Leveller said: I appreciate its good to finish as strongly as possible, but do we actually want to be in the playoffs? I mean, would we want to get promoted with a squad that has spent half the season closer to the relegation zone? I think I’d rather finish about tenth with a view to another improvement next season. If by chance we got promoted in the playoffs now, I suspect next season would be utter humiliation. I’m sure we’d strengthen the squad, don’t you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kashmir Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 31 minutes ago, Leveller said: I appreciate its good to finish as strongly as possible, but do we actually want to be in the playoffs? I mean, would we want to get promoted with a squad that has spent half the season closer to the relegation zone? I think I’d rather finish about tenth with a view to another improvement next season. If by chance we got promoted in the playoffs now, I suspect next season would be utter humiliation. That’s the spirit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Kashmir said: That’s the spirit The Forest comparison is an interesting one. At the moment their approach seems to be working, though they were much mocked for the huge numbers of incoming players, which initially seemed to create confusion. Fair play to the manager though. I genuinely think I’d rather progress a bit more steadily, but it’s arguable of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 30 minutes ago, Calculus said: Am sure the same could have been said of Forest last year and they're now 13th in the Prem. Opportunities don't come often and whenever the next happens it will be difficult. Not likely we'll do it this year but if we can we should make the most of it. If we don't then we could end up losing some good young players and the cycle starts again. Sooner the better for me. COYR! Having checked, Forest obviously started badly and were bottom in September. But Steve Cooper had them in 7th at Christmas and 4th by the end of the season. He did a fantastic job very quickly and has maintained it unbelievably well. It’s always possible we could do the same, but this season for us bears no comparison - yet- to them last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Leveller said: The Forest comparison is an interesting one. At the moment their approach seems to be working, though they were much mocked for the huge numbers of incoming players, which initially seemed to create confusion. Fair play to the manager though. I genuinely think I’d rather progress a bit more steadily, but it’s arguable of course. The Forest example is an interesting one. The gamble seems to be working at the mo’….5 points clear with 15 games to go…from a league status point of view. I do wonder what the financial side of the coin shows, and how that might restrict them in future a) if they do stay up but b) if they do still end up getting relegated. There must be some cheesed off players, despite their wages, not getting game time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leveller Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 1 minute ago, Percy Pig said: But we'd be near enough £200m better off as a club over the following 4 seasons... I'd take a 0 point season in the prem to have that influx of money into the coffers. Fair point, though that actual season would take the gloss off the promotion a fair bit! And I wouldn’t like to see us do a Cardiff- subsequent success is not guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 After tonight's results do we think we have a slight glimmer more or does it slip further away? Blackburn and Norwich won Millwall drew (with Burnley- impressive 2 games for them)! Sunderland and Swansea lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citywest30 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I'm as bad as anyone for checking results and being eternally optimistic but I'm trying to fight my instincts. Regardless of what anyone else does, 70 points gets you close to the play offs. If we keep up our 50% draw and 50% win ratio from our last 6 games we get to 69 points. If we can do slightly better than that and cross the 70 point line, we'll be in with a shout. Keep believing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 36 minutes ago, citywest30 said: I'm as bad as anyone for checking results and being eternally optimistic but I'm trying to fight my instincts. Regardless of what anyone else does, 70 points gets you close to the play offs. If we keep up our 50% draw and 50% win ratio from our last 6 games we get to 69 points. If we can do slightly better than that and cross the 70 point line, we'll be in with a shout. Keep believing. A few weeks ago (after the 2 draws v Millwall and Cov), I think we 18th / 19th and 15th was 6 points ahead of us, 16th was 4 points ahead of us, so in American terms, more than a game ahead of us. Birmingham were 17th and 3 points ahead, but goal difference would see us go above them if we won they lost. Thats kinda how I look at the table….how many teams are within a game of us if our results goes well, there’s doesn’t. I think about overhauling those teams first, before looking behind. So, these are the teams in my sights: If I got all ahead of myself, I could look at who is within a game of us if we won our game in hand. But, actually those two teams have played the same as us…so I’m only really looking at Swansea, Hull (Sat’s game) and Preston. So I’m pretty much still looking at it one game at a time…although I do look at the results above (and below) us, and hope the right team(s) drop points. I’d have preferred Burnley to win last night, as that weakens Millwall for example. I think Hull on Saturday is gonna be a really tough game. We saw against Wigan the “danger” of fans thinking a win is on the cards. Preston home to Wigan will have their fans thinking 3 points, as will Swansea home to Rotherham. Would not surprise me if all 3 ended as draws! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I still see it as pretty unlikely. Each game that passes, our margin for error falls. Agree @Davefevs Hull will be tough. Checked tneit run too and 28 pts from 19 gsmes now and in that spell they went 7 unbeaten on the road, losing only 2 of 10...feels like a decent chance of a draw to me Saturday but if we score early maybe different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 11 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: After tonight's results do we think we have a slight glimmer more or does it slip further away? Blackburn and Norwich won Millwall drew (with Burnley- impressive 2 games for them)! Sunderland and Swansea lost. No. It's looking like 6th place is going to be 70 points or so. So if we want even a chance of finishing in the top 6 we need another 29 points from our final 14 games. 2.07 points per game. We also need the teams above us to fall away, or at least none of them can go on a similar run. It's not happening. We're about as mid-table as you can get. 10 wins, 11 draws, 11 losses, +1 GD. Middle of the road. Sleepwalking to 12th place. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, ExiledAjax said: No. It's looking like 6th place is going to be 70 points or so. So if we want even a chance of finishing in the top 6 we need another 29 points from our final 14 games. 2.07 points per game. We also need the teams above us to fall away, or at least none of them can go on a similar run. It's not happening. We're about as mid-table as you can get. 10 wins, 11 draws, 11 losses, +1 GD. Middle of the road. Sleepwalking to 12th place. So what you're saying then is that we need to win on Saturday 10-0 to get some lovely patterns going there, right? P33, W11, D11, L11, GD +11, PTS 44. Game on, I say 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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