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Great times under GJ. Is he coming to the game Weds? Deserves a round of applause at half time on the pitch in my opinion.

@adamski legacy wise he turned us into a Championship club. Yes he has flaws, academy being one, but he did turn us from a League One club to a Championship mainstay. 

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More then a few of my favourite city memories were under GJ. What a ride that was. One of the few times i can remember where the players, manager and club were truly as one. It was a special period.

Never forget just how much trouble we were in when he first came in, then quite a few winless at first too. There was a before xmas red& White night (Huddersfield maybe?) where the club was simply desperate for a win.

(For me personally i always remember the depressing circle. Starting with Bradford at home, FT 7th or 8th defeat in a row.. windass gives the going down sign to the atyeo, from that moment i truly hated him with every inch of passion; wembley was a chance for revenge in my eye;  it just had to be him with a worldy didn't it) -

NB some things above may be a bit off due to memory.

 

Anyone wonderful memories. Amazing period, man is legend 

 

 

 

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Isn’t @Robbored a member?

Could we ask Johnson to re-enact his finest moment and hand @Robbored balls on a plate to him?

3 hours ago, shahanshahan said:

The Supporters Club & Trust are pleased to announce that former Bristol City manager Gary Johnson is the next inductee into the Hall of Fame class of 2022/23, representing the 2000s.

In his five seasons with us, Gary Johnson achieved promotion to the Championship and was one game away from a successive promotion the Premier League.

Gary joined us in September 2005 at a low point with City languishing in the relegation zone. We had a great run in second half of the 2005/06 season and there was even talk of play-offs but we finished 9th.

The next season 2006/07 was a glorious one culminating that amazing 3-1 victory over Rotherham United on the last day, which clinched the longed-for promotion to the Championship behind champions Scunthorpe United.

2007/08 was another very exciting season. It looked for much of the time like successive promotion to the Premier League was on the cards but we had to be content with the play-offs. City reached their peak performance in two fantastic legs against Crystal Palace. They won the away leg 2-1 with David Noble’s stunning injury-time goal. Palace then levelled the aggregate score at Ashton Gate forcing extra time. Goals from Lee Trundle & Michael McIndoe then sealed City’s trip to Wembley. But it was a heartbreak final against Hull City – failing to rise to the occasion and succumbing to a wonder strike from Dean Windass.

The 2008/09 season Nicky Maynard became City’s record signing at the time, but momentum was not maintained and we finished 10th.

The 2009/10 season looked like a similar finish and with the Club’s high aspirations Gary left by mutual consent but it was an emotional affair. Since leaving City, Gary has gone onto manage Peterborough United, Northampton Town, a return to Yeovil Town, Cheltenham Town, and is currently the manager at Torquay United.

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City fans have now recognised Gary’s contribution to our Club by voting him into the Bristol City Hall of Fame. The presentation will take place before the Wigan game on Wednesday 15th February at 6.30pm in our Supporters Bar above the Independence Sports Bar.

 

The remaining inductees from the 1940s/50s, 1960s/1970s & 1980s/1990s decades will be announced in due course. They will join Gary Johnson & the previously announced Loren Dykes MBE & Corinne Yorston

 

Words by @Blagdon Mike. Graphics by me!

 

What have the two ladies gone to be in Bristol City’s hall of fame?

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23 minutes ago, Henry said:

What have the two ladies gone to be in Bristol City’s hall of fame?

 

3 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Ticked a box!

If you read it the reasons for them being inducted are explained, I'm guessing that your curmudgeoness over this is perhaps related to you both being of pensionable age?

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35 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

 

If you read it the reasons for them being inducted are explained, I'm guessing that your curmudgeoness over this is perhaps related to you both being of pensionable age?

You’re not suggesting that all people of pensionable age are curmudgeonly, are you Rich? ;) Because we’re not!

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1 hour ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

You’re not suggesting that all people of pensionable age are curmudgeonly, are you Rich? ;) Because we’re not!

Of course not everybody, but a certain bewilderment wiith the modern world, accompanied by an inability to keep up, certainly does increase with age.

I'm not so far off myself, so hope to follow in your fine footsteps by being an exception to the rule!

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7 hours ago, adamski said:

Can't argue with his record...best since Dicks, debatable. Manner he departed questionable. Legacy he left dubious....

But a larger than life character who certainly made stuff happen and raised our profile

Happy to debate that, so who has achieved more? Arguable that TC possibly did, as we were dead & buried before he turned us around.

No one else has a case though.

First season, GJ took over after the Tinnion debacle, finished the season with 2 defeats in 14 (9 wins) after he sorted us out.

Next season, won automatic promotion.

Season after, got to the Prem playoff final, highest place finish (4th) since AD left.

Next season 10th, fourth highest place finish since AD left.

Who comes remotely close to that? ******* Danny Wilson & his 4 seasons of third division inertia?

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15 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Happy to debate that, so who has achieved more? Arguable that TC possibly did, as we were dead & buried before he turned us around.

No one else has a case though.

First season, GJ took over after the Tinnion debacle, finished the season with 2 defeats in 14 (9 wins) after he sorted us out.

Next season, won automatic promotion.

Season after, got to the Prem playoff final, highest place finish (4th) since AD left.

Next season 10th, fourth highest place finish since AD left.

Who comes remotely close to that? ******* Danny Wilson & his 4 seasons of third division inertia?

I guess his Trump card must be play off, which is still not a promotion.

Jordan got us promoted, but left..

Ward got us promoted and sacked

I suppose, at least Cotterill actually won something X2 which Johnson, Ward and Johnson failed to do

Legacy, well the desert that normally remains when a bully leaves the building!

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7 minutes ago, adamski said:

I guess his Trump card must be play off, which is still not a promotion.

Jordan got us promoted, but left..

Ward got us promoted and sacked

I suppose, at least Cotterill actually won something X2 which Johnson, Ward and Johnson failed to do

Legacy, well the desert that normally remains when a bully leaves the building!

None of Ward, Jordan or Cotterill ever achieved anything at Championship level with us. He did, his worst season was amongst our best in the last 43 years.

Pretty obvious that your mind is made up from your last sentence, though.

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4 hours ago, Top Robin said:

Oh that play off final....tactics were not to lose it and it backfired ☹️

I think you're confused with the Brighton play off final when the "proper manager" Danny Wilson managed a team with not one shot on target?

That team under GJ would have won that game but for Jamie McCoombe's illness and Bradley Orr having to go off injured, well, IMHO.....

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Despite how his tenure ended a very good choice for me. He came in with a remit to change the football side of the club top to bottom and did just that. We were so close to the Premier League which is why I take exception to the OP's comment that we failed to rise to the occasion. We list McCombe  on the eve of the final and Bradley Orr not far in which made a big difference to us. We conceded as we failed to stop a cross coming in from our right (where Orr would have been) although it took a tremendous strike nevertheless. Even then we were denied a Trundle equaliser by the thickness of Michael Turner's thigh. Hull fans I spoke were convinced we'd have won had it gone to Extra time as they were out on their feet. 

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20 hours ago, Henry said:

Isn’t @Robbored a member?

Could we ask Johnson to re-enact his finest moment and hand @Robbored balls on a plate to him?

What have the two ladies gone to be in Bristol City’s hall of fame?

Link is in the thread, but here it is anyway;

https://www.bristolcitysupporters.org/hall-of-fame-2022-23-first-inductees-announced/

Well deserved imo.

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13 hours ago, Henry said:

Nope. Someone in their 20s asking a question.

And it’s a valid question to ask I think. Despite the support it’s starting to gain, women’s football is still relatively small in profile compared to the men’s game.

This hall of fame initiative is great, but it seems to imply the achievements of the WFC inductees are of equal significance to Bristol City to the men’s inductees. With the best will in the world, that’s simply not the case yet IMO because of the relative profile of the women’s team.

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21 hours ago, richwwtk said:

 

If you read it the reasons for them being inducted are explained, I'm guessing that your curmudgeoness over this is perhaps related to you both being of pensionable age?

You could be on to something there, or maybe just ignorance ? 

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15 minutes ago, frenchred said:

They have done nothing more than hundreds of bcfc mens players, as I said just a tick in the box

"Yorston & Dykes were part of the teams which reached two FA Cup Finals in 2011 and 2013, and narrowly missed out on the FA WSL title in 2013. In the 2011/12 and 2013/14 seasons they played in the UEFA Champions League – memorably beating Barcelona at Ashton Gate to reach the quarter-finals in 2014.

Yorston also has six senior England caps to her name, and continues to make a huge contribution to the game as the FA’s Women’s Youth Development Phase and Talent Pathway Player Insights Lead. Dykes has 105 senior Wales caps and in 2019 was awarded an MBE for services to Women football in Wales. She is currently Wales’ Assistant Coach, and is responsible for overseeing the under-17s programme."

 

My god, you're right, we have soooooo many players on the men's side that have achieved at least as much, sorry to have doubted you.

You may be dismissive of women's football, but they are still worthy of a place in a Hall of Fame that recognises both women's and men's football.

14 hours ago, Henry said:

Nope. Someone in their 20s asking a question.

then what makes you think they aren't worthy of being inducted?

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3 minutes ago, richwwtk said:

"Yorston & Dykes were part of the teams which reached two FA Cup Finals in 2011 and 2013, and narrowly missed out on the FA WSL title in 2013. In the 2011/12 and 2013/14 seasons they played in the UEFA Champions League – memorably beating Barcelona at Ashton Gate to reach the quarter-finals in 2014.

Yorston also has six senior England caps to her name, and continues to make a huge contribution to the game as the FA’s Women’s Youth Development Phase and Talent Pathway Player Insights Lead. Dykes has 105 senior Wales caps and in 2019 was awarded an MBE for services to Women football in Wales. She is currently Wales’ Assistant Coach, and is responsible for overseeing the under-17s programme."

 

My god, you're right, we have soooooo many players on the men's side that have achieved at least as much, sorry to have doubted you.

You may be dismissive of women's football, but they are still worthy of a place in a Hall of Fame that recognises both women's and men's football.

then what makes you think they aren't worthy of being inducted?

So came close to winning silver wear then?

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4 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Can't educate pork.

 

 

2 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Someone has for inducting women who have very little history in the game and won nothing and somehow getting inducted in a hall of fame!

Seems I was right :laughcont:

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5 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Can't educate pork.

Just to provide a bit of balance to this outstanding debate...

The following text is taken from a site I'm sure ALL users of OTIB are familiar with, petpigworld.com

New pig owners would often ask whether their pets can be trained.

Can Pigs be trained? Just like dogs, pigs can be easily trained to learn a number of cool tricks. They can learn anything from twirling or responding when their name is called, to establishing a solid day-to-day routine.

By nature, pigs are smart, curious and friendly. This makes them easy to train.

Ideally, pig training should start as early as when you pet is still a piglet. Though adult pigs can still be taught a trick or two, by this time, they’ve most probably established routines that could be hard to break.

 

So yes. You can't educate pork. 

I expect a full written retraction of more care going forward. Please choose a different species to pick on. I suggest 'a fewer'. 

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Just now, Bristol Rob said:

Just to provide a bit of balance to this outstanding debate...

The following text is taken from a site I'm sure ALL users of OTIB are familiar with, petpigworld.com

New pig owners would often ask whether their pets can be trained.

Can Pigs be trained? Just like dogs, pigs can be easily trained to learn a number of cool tricks. They can learn anything from twirling or responding when their name is called, to establishing a solid day-to-day routine.

By nature, pigs are smart, curious and friendly. This makes them easy to train.

Ideally, pig training should start as early as when you pet is still a piglet. Though adult pigs can still be taught a trick or two, by this time, they’ve most probably established routines that could be hard to break.

 

So yes. You can't educate pork. 

I expect a full written retraction of more care going forward. Please choose a different species to pick on. I suggest 'a fewer'. 

Upon reading that, I am most humbly sorry for indicating that pork can't be educated.

I'll retract it and say that mysogynists and the mean spirited cannot be educated beyond a basic level.

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1 minute ago, bcfc01 said:

Upon reading that, I am most humbly sorry for indicating that pork can't be educated.

I'll retract it and say that mysogynists and the mean spirited cannot be educated beyond a basic level.

:yawn:

And I'll admit to not wanting to be educated!!

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8 minutes ago, frenchred said:

Someone has for inducting women who have very little history in the game and won nothing and somehow getting inducted in a hall of fame!

Two FA Cup Finals, League runners up, many international caps, Champions League Quarter Finalists and you don't think they deserve it because they didn't win any of them? That is more than the men's team have managed in our entire history!

How come you're not complaining about Gary Johnson getting in?

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1 minute ago, richwwtk said:

Two FA Cup Finals, League runners up, many international caps, Champions League Quarter Finalists and you don't think they deserve it because they didn't win any of them? That is more than the men's team have managed in our entire history!

How come you're not complaining about Gary Johnson getting in?

Won promotion

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1 minute ago, richwwtk said:

Two FA Cup Finals, League runners up, many international caps, Champions League Quarter Finalists and you don't think they deserve it because they didn't win any of them? That is more than the men's team have managed in our entire history!

How come you're not complaining about Gary Johnson getting in?

GJ doesn't wear dresses.

(well, only on sundays)

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1 hour ago, richwwtk said:

My god, you're right, we have soooooo many players on the men's side that have achieved at least as much, sorry to have doubted you.

You may be dismissive of women's football, but they are still worthy of a place in a Hall of Fame that recognises both women's and men's football.

then what makes you think they aren't worthy of being inducted?

I do think that the women’s team is over represented in social media posts etc.

I completely understand the reasoning, the official social media pages have a wide reach and it’s free marketing. Obviously the club want to all the various iterations of Bristol City under one banner. 

Personally though, I feel it comes across as slightly insincere and a bit of a ‘right on’ box ticking exercise. It’s obvious there won’t be anywhere near the same level of interest in that sort of content (at the moment) as there would be in first team content or even the development sides.

I think those who don’t seem as invested, or invested at all, in the fortunes of the WFC aren’t necessarily being ignorant or sexist.. but perhaps they too feel it’s a bit over imposed relative to the interest in the WFC. Same situation here where I think it’s legitimate to question whether achievements of the two teams should be recognised in the same award.

This post isn’t intended to cause offence by the way, and I’m very open to considering other points of view, but this is my thoughts on the issue. 

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Gotta be honest I have no deisre to read the whole thread, but for those wondering why some of those 'women' have been hall-of-famed owing to their lack of history and contribution to the game; can you let me know what the male players who've previously been given the same honour have done for the women's game? 

I'm sure their achievements must be many and varied to have not incurred your wrath prevously. 

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17 hours ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Despite how his tenure ended a very good choice for me. He came in with a remit to change the football side of the club top to bottom and did just that. We were so close to the Premier League which is why I take exception to the OP's comment that we failed to rise to the occasion. We list McCombe  on the eve of the final and Bradley Orr not far in which made a big difference to us. We conceded as we failed to stop a cross coming in from our right (where Orr would have been) although it took a tremendous strike nevertheless. Even then we were denied a Trundle equaliser by the thickness of Michael Turner's thigh. Hull fans I spoke were convinced we'd have won had it gone to Extra time as they were out on their feet. 

Still think Johnson made a major error in not taking Orr off sooner, but more importantly in bringing Little Lee on and moving Marvin Elliott to right back.  For me it should always have been Carey to right back and Vasko on, leaving Elliott in midfield.

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24 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Just to provide a bit of balance to this outstanding debate...

The following text is taken from a site I'm sure ALL users of OTIB are familiar with, petpigworld.com

New pig owners would often ask whether their pets can be trained.

Can Pigs be trained? Just like dogs, pigs can be easily trained to learn a number of cool tricks. They can learn anything from twirling or responding when their name is called, to establishing a solid day-to-day routine.

By nature, pigs are smart, curious and friendly. This makes them easy to train.

Ideally, pig training should start as early as when you pet is still a piglet. Though adult pigs can still be taught a trick or two, by this time, they’ve most probably established routines that could be hard to break.

 

So yes. You can't educate pork. 

I expect a full written retraction of more care going forward. Please choose a different species to pick on. I suggest 'a fewer'. 

See also, Dragons.

(I'm learning shed loads today).

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1 minute ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Still think Johnson made a major error in not taking Orr off sooner, but more importantly in bringing Little Lee on and moving Marvin Elliott to right back.  For me it should always have been Carey to right back and Vasko on, leaving Elliott in midfield.

That's a fair and valid point. I imagine the thinking was that Eliott was never a midfielder until we converted him as prior he had always been a RB and should therefore have been comfortable there. However it backfired as haven't not played there for so long he looked rusty. While I was never a great fan of Eliott in midfield it was what the team was used to and it hurt us until we found our feet late in the game. 

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12 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Gotta be honest I have no deisre to read the whole thread, but for those wondering why some of those 'women' have been hall-of-famed owing to their lack of history and contribution to the game; can you let me know what the male players who've previously been given the same honour have done for the women's game? 

I'm sure their achievements must be many and varied to have not incurred your wrath prevously. 

I think this is a straw man argument really. From what I can see, people questioning this are doing so politely and the point is obviously far more nuanced than ‘the women have achieved more than our relatively unsuccessful men’s team but I don’t want them included’ 

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1 hour ago, richwwtk said:

"Yorston & Dykes were part of the teams which reached two FA Cup Finals in 2011 and 2013, and narrowly missed out on the FA WSL title in 2013. In the 2011/12 and 2013/14 seasons they played in the UEFA Champions League – memorably beating Barcelona at Ashton Gate to reach the quarter-finals in 2014.

Yorston also has six senior England caps to her name, and continues to make a huge contribution to the game as the FA’s Women’s Youth Development Phase and Talent Pathway Player Insights Lead. Dykes has 105 senior Wales caps and in 2019 was awarded an MBE for services to Women football in Wales. She is currently Wales’ Assistant Coach, and is responsible for overseeing the under-17s programme."

 

My god, you're right, we have soooooo many players on the men's side that have achieved at least as much, sorry to have doubted you.

You may be dismissive of women's football, but they are still worthy of a place in a Hall of Fame that recognises both women's and men's football.

then what makes you think they aren't worthy of being inducted?

When did I say they are not worthy?

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Just now, Henry said:

When did I say they are not worthy?

I'm not sure you did, but you did ask what they had done to be inducted. If you feel that they deserve it then all well and good. If you feel they don't I would be interested to know why. @frenchredhas given us his reasons, though I am sure he knows I don't agree with him.

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52 minutes ago, frenchred said:

And I'll admit to not wanting to be educated!!

Why is it every time women are discussed in footballing terms there's always a man who appears quicker than a flash to demean and underplay their achievements, why can't you just be happy for them and what they've achieved rather than downplaying it is as completely insignificant and worthless.

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3 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Still think Johnson made a major error in not taking Orr off sooner, but more importantly in bringing Little Lee on and moving Marvin Elliott to right back.  For me it should always have been Carey to right back and Vasko on, leaving Elliott in midfield.

I wonder if Ivan sprouted attending ? 

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23 hours ago, richwwtk said:

I'm not sure you did, but you did ask what they had done to be inducted. If you feel that they deserve it then all well and good. If you feel they don't I would be interested to know why. @frenchredhas given us his reasons, though I am sure he knows I don't agree with him.

I know you’re desperately trying to be offended but I suggest you look else where.

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23 hours ago, Jazzy said:

Why is it every time women are discussed in footballing terms there's always a man who appears quicker than a flash to demean and underplay their achievements, why can't you just be happy for them and what they've achieved rather than downplaying it is as completely insignificant and worthless.

I think you answered your own question with the last bit 

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Regardless of views on women's football it's probably way too early for a club of that age to have a hall of fame. Sure they might end up being the best times the club ever had but if they go on to be the best side in the world in 20 years then those achievements pale into insignificance. Mens or women's football 

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44 minutes ago, dREDful said:

Regardless of views on women's football it's probably way too early for a club of that age to have a hall of fame. Sure they might end up being the best times the club ever had but if they go on to be the best side in the world in 20 years then those achievements pale into insignificance. Mens or women's football 

There’s been a women’s team on and off since 1973

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55 minutes ago, dREDful said:

Regardless of views on women's football it's probably way too early for a club of that age to have a hall of fame. Sure they might end up being the best times the club ever had but if they go on to be the best side in the world in 20 years then those achievements pale into insignificance. Mens or women's football 

So should we kick Micky Bell out of the hall of fame just in case we win the Champions League 10 years in a row?

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