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It was a poor game and it didn't suit the way we want to play.

We're not great in posession of the ball and always look better when counter attacking and winning the ball back high in midfield.

Credit to Nige for improving results over the past 6 weeks but we're not a convincing side yet.

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Real shame we did not win tonight but it happens, we are still unbeaten since turn of the year and looking a much better Team than we have done for the last few years... a bit of luck and we win that toning a bit of bad luck and we lose it all in all its getting better...

 

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We don't have the cutting edge in possession and it shows. Add in Andi not match fit, no end product, and it was a disjointed performance.

Would have preferred Cornick on the right and Weimann through the middle, where the latter's press would have been a bit more consistent - not that Cornick did too much wrong, just think he needs to get a bit more match fit and then possibly moved across once a bit more comfortable and up to speed.

Anyhow - we go again, remain unbeaten, and in Nige we trust.

On the bright side, Wigan made me realise that we could be much, much worse.

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I'm not quite as down as everyone else seems to be, I thought we were alright and decent value for a point with better chances to take all 3.

Wigan weren't bad. They played out wide a lot which meant Tanner and Pring struggled to get too far forwards. Combined with them having someone unfamiliar in front it wasn't a great combination.

I though Williams was really good, one of his best games I've seen. Mehmeti looks really sharp, and I thought Cornick again had quite a few neat touches in him although it'd have been nice if he saw more of the ball.

I thought we were better in open play, but they were dangerous from set pieces. Their deep line especially in the first half didn't do us many favors either and we struggled to play how we want to against them.

Great to be unbeaten, and I'm only slightly disappointed in the performance and that we didn't come away with a win. It was a tough game and some players looked pretty tired in the second half.

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Just now, One Team said:

Possibly an unpopular opinion but I think we’ve looked better without Weinmann in the team. His reintroduction today made us look weaker and his passing and crossing were off. A great player of course but will be interesting to see how we adjust him back in. 

I think he's still missing match sharpness 1T, he won't get it sat on the bench but we missed Sykes tonight as did Tanner.

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Can’t understand why we didn’t start the strongest team & rest them 2nd half.

Started well, some decent touches & attempts but way below recent standards, although TBF Wigan dug in & made it difficult.

Bell & Sykes not given enough time to affect the game when coming on.

Hard to say it but didn’t rate Weimann tonight.

Cornick good touches and worked hard in the press but felt erratic in possession.

Frustrating game where we should have done better.

Mehmetti looks a baller 

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12 minutes ago, One Team said:

Possibly an unpopular opinion but I think we’ve looked better without Weinmann in the team. His reintroduction today made us look weaker and his passing and crossing were off. A great player of course but will be interesting to see how we adjust him back in. 

He certainly struggled as a winger and looked a bit lost tonight.....

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41 minutes ago, Vidal said:

Weimann the weak link. Was dross.

Cornick for me. Not going to judge on his first full game, but tonight he was like Martin without the good stuff.

Every time Max took a goal kick he was just strolling past Matty James in his own half. 

Needs to do better.

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1 minute ago, Superjack said:

Cornick for me. Not going to judge on his first full game, but tonight he was like Martin without the good stuff.

Every time Max took a goal kick he was just strolling past Matty James in his own half. 

Needs to do better.

Will take time, adjusting. Had some good touches as he did on Saturday. Looked rusty to me. Reminds me of Kodjia a bit but not as good.

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Mehmeti took his chance tonight. My word, I’m a big fan of twinkle toes already. He has to start at Sunderland.

Cornick looked like he’s lacking match fitness and Weimann was wasted on the right IMO. 

Scott should’ve scored from his free header, Mehmeti was unlucky with his cross shot. Both of which hit the woodwork for those who weren’t there. 

Wigan were exactly what I thought they’d be — a tough nut to crack. They were organised and wasted time. 

I thought we zipped it around well at times, but struggled to break them down. Point was a fair result. 

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I thought Wigan put in a really solid away performance today. They didn't get rattled when we pressed, they pressed us well and crowded the midfield when we had the ball, particularly Tiehi in what I still call the Makelele role.

Weimann... I know he could be excised for being rusty, but to fluff FOUR great opportunities from inside the box would be inexcusable for any player in our squad. Yes he timed his runs to get there in the first place, but he had to find a red shirt jmfor at least one of those.

Besides Wigan and Andi, I thought City played with the right attitude. We wanted to win the game but didn't have the quality in the final third.

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38 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

I accept the play off chat is probably a bit optimistic and I’m as guilty as any one.

But it’s also a bit weird to completely give up on it on the strength of one slightly disappointing draw. Still 45 points to play for.

It’s really not weird. Before tonight we needed 10 wins from 16. Not going to happen in this league unless you are Burnley. Now we need 10 wins from 15 after winning 10 of 31 ?. We will go through a poor run again no doubt before end of season. But as long as we continue to improve long term then that’s main thing. 

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3 minutes ago, Superjack said:

Cornick for me. Not going to judge on his first full game, but tonight he was like Martin without the good stuff.

Every time Max took a goal kick he was just strolling past Matty James in his own half. 

Needs to do better.

Just think we need to give him time just so he can get on everyone’s wave length, he’s going to like balls played through in different ways, and times his runs differently to Nakhi and likewise know where players are going to be off of him for the flicks and little passes.

Reasonable enough tonight, softish goal to concede against a predictable threat. One loss of concentration.

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3 minutes ago, Vidal said:

Will take time, adjusting. Had some good touches as he did on Saturday. Looked rusty to me. Reminds me of Kodjia a bit but not as good.

Oh don't get me wrong, not hanging him out to dry after his first 90 mins.

But we desperately needed an outlet up front, and he should have provided it. 

Wasn't sorry to see Martin go, but put him in instead of Cornick in the first 30 mins of that second half and we win imo. Was delighted and relieved when Nahki replaced him.

 

 

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Its VERY early days for Cornick so i will reserve judgement, however the early glimpses don't fill me with much enthusiasm. He certainly doesn't look like a central striker and needs time in his comfortable position in the wide area of a front 3.

Weimann struggles when he's got time to think about what he's going to do. He's more of an instinctive player rather than an intelligent user of the ball.

I think a front 3 of Sykes, Wells and Mehmeti is our best option at present

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Just home. Disappointing result but Wigan deserved the point on the day. Was hoping at half time Wigan would have to come forward and we would catch them. We were however extremely passive and no surprise at all when we conceded. After that a much better match and thought we played a fair bit better. Biggest down was how we came out from the break, but 40 points, we move on to the next one.

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18 minutes ago, Superjack said:

Oh don't get me wrong, not hanging him out to dry after his first 90 mins.

But we desperately needed an outlet up front, and he should have provided it. 

Wasn't sorry to see Martin go, but put him in instead of Cornick in the first 30 mins of that second half and we win imo. Was delighted and relieved when Nahki replaced him.

 

 

What nonsense, Martin was 6th choice for a reason

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4 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

I’m still not 100% convinced Max O’Leary is the answer for us. I know the results have really picked up, but I don’t get the impression he’s the future for us going forward.

In fairness he saved us a point at the end with a great save.  Wasn’t as dominant in the air tonight but thought that was more down to Wigan’s excellent delivery.  He’s done well but like you, is there better out there in the summer.

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3 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

In fairness he saved us a point at the end with a great save.  Wasn’t as dominant in the air tonight but thought that was more down to Wigan’s excellent delivery.  He’s done well but like you, is there better out there in the summer.

Yes, that seemed to happen out of the blue. It was a decent save.

I’m still not convinced though, he was pretty hopeless coming out of his area tonight.

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7 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

In fairness he saved us a point at the end with a great save.  Wasn’t as dominant in the air tonight but thought that was more down to Wigan’s excellent delivery.  He’s done well but like you, is there better out there in the summer.

We’ll need two whatever & unless we decide we are keeping the Russian chap (& nothing to base that on yet) then he’ll surely get offered a new deal.

With one exception I thought Wigan’s set piece delivery was excellent & Power the no. 8 is OoC in the summer, I believe..

Whilst the delivery was good, they’re a very tall side too, we did well to avoid conceding at some many corners when Atkinson aside all our players seemed to be marking a taller opponent.

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I think setting up the way they did Wigan would have ground out a point at pretty much any other team in the Championship tonight. Not a pretty game to watch but we didn’t lose it. We looked quite likely to go on and win it after they scored as well. Still signs of progress tonight if not as emphatic as recent weeks. 

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We were pretty ineffectual up front tonight. Cornick had very little to play off, but at least looks more mobile than Martin. Weimann looked rusty and we know he’s better through the middle than out wide. Mehmeti showed a lot of promise and might even be the answer to who eventually replaces Scott. Talking of whom, he had one of his less inspired performances today even if he had a header hit the bar. Prong was also a little below par today by his high standards recently. The one player who really stood out for me tonight was Joe Williams. Cleared up at the back, provided an outlet in midfield and tried to drive forward when he had the ball. One of his best performances in a City shirt.

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3 minutes ago, Dr Balls said:

We were pretty ineffectual up front tonight. Cornick had very little to play off, but at least looks more mobile than Martin. Weimann looked rusty and we know he’s better through the middle than out wide. Mehmeti showed a lot of promise and might even be the answer to who eventually replaces Scott. Talking of whom, he had one of his less inspired performances today even if he had a header hit the bar. Prong was also a little below par today by his high standards recently. The one player who really stood out for me tonight was Joe Williams. Cleared up at the back, provided an outlet in midfield and tried to drive forward when he had the ball. One of his best performances in a City shirt.

Hopefully Benarous will be the replacement for Scott when fit. 

Amazes me how people have assumed that we will need to sign a replacement, when if his injury is properly managed, we may already have an equally exciting prospect ready to go.

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Wigan were hard. Would be difficult opponents for any team in this League with their display. Physical, battled well and defended well so credit where it's due. They'll stay up if they play like that most weeks.

Today though I thought we were slow and lethargic. Never got going really. Maybe Saturday's game took it out of us a bit. However learned a few things tonight. Weimann is not a starter in a 433 in my eyes, as he disrupts our fluidity going forwards. He is far better in a counter attacking side. 

We missed Naismith's forward passes and creativity in the centre of Midfield. 

Cornick is not a CF and playing long balls up to him doesn't work and isn't his style of play.

Mehmeti is a baller.

We've learned a lot and hopefully Nigel has. 

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3 minutes ago, Superjack said:

Hopefully Benarous will be the replacement for Scott when fit. 

Amazes me how people have assumed that we will need to sign a replacement, when if his injury is properly managed, we may already have an equally exciting prospect ready to go.

Benarous is potential. By comparison Mehmeti has actually delivered at League One level. The question is whether he can do the same at this level.

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16 minutes ago, 2015 said:

Wigan were hard. Would be difficult opponents for any team in this League with their display. Physical, battled well and defended well so credit where it's due. They'll stay up if they play like that most weeks.

Today though I thought we were slow and lethargic. Never got going really. Maybe Saturday's game took it out of us a bit. However learned a few things tonight. Weimann is not a starter in a 433 in my eyes, as he disrupts our fluidity going forwards. He is far better in a counter attacking side. 

We missed Naismith's forward passes and creativity in the centre of Midfield. 

Cornick is not a CF and playing long balls up to him doesn't work and isn't his style of play.

Mehmeti is a baller.

We've learned a lot and hopefully Nigel has. 

Agree with the bulk of this although Weimann in a 4-3-3, wouldn't give up on that yet.

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Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

Agree with the bulk of this although Weimann in a 4-3-3, wouldn't give up on that yet.

Just thought our fluidity up front with Weimann constantly cutting inside or running into traffic/passing backwards slowed us down massively tonight. Sykes by comparison is much more direct and that suits us more.

Away from home Weimann might be a good option but at home against sides sitting behind the ball he isn't a starter for me in the attacking areas at the moment.

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2 hours ago, Edgy Red said:

Its VERY early days for Cornick so i will reserve judgement, however the early glimpses don't fill me with much enthusiasm. He certainly doesn't look like a central striker and needs time in his comfortable position in the wide area of a front 3.

Weimann struggles when he's got time to think about what he's going to do. He's more of an instinctive player rather than an intelligent user of the ball.

I think a front 3 of Sykes, Wells and Mehmeti is our best option at present

I thought Cornick was fine, solid debut.

He’s come from a side that play frantic football, where everything is about moving the ball forwards and picking up bits a pieces.  He will adjust to our style, ideally he wants to play somewhere halfway between CF and RF, kinda how Semenyo played just before he left…ie lopsided.

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8 hours ago, johnheadbcfc said:

Bloody hell give Cornick a chance, Pearson has said numerous times he needs time. 

 

Hopefully longer than 120 minutes

 

It's mad isn't it. You'd think people would learn by now that it takes players time to get up to speed - whether that's a new club (Cornick) or match fit after an injury (Weimann).

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It is very good to see that people are disappointed with just a point. In the last few years, this is exactly the type of game we've really struggled with. A team who's hard to break down who'd usually find a way to beat us. This shows we've made a lot of progress.

Shame not to win of course, but a very solid set of recent results. 

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Don't know if mentioned already but so many strange errors yesterday we did two airshot attempts at clearances where the ball whacked the standing leg of Atkinson and one other, can't remember who. There were also a few sliced clearances and lofty hooks clear. Not sure why.

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9 hours ago, Bouncearoundtheground said:

I think setting up the way they did Wigan would have ground out a point at pretty much any other team in the Championship tonight. Not a pretty game to watch but we didn’t lose it. We looked quite likely to go on and win it after they scored as well. Still signs of progress tonight if not as emphatic as recent weeks. 

Just had to google emphatic. means "expressing something forcibly and clearly" You must of attended a better school than me. Agree there were many positives to be taken from the highlights that I looked at. 

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Pearson has made it clear that they see something in Cornick that others have not as regards being a central striker so patience will be needed this season. Sykes would have been few peoples first choice a couple of months ago but he has now adapted to our system albeit helped by the formation change. Anis will take time and impressive as he was on occasions I sensed that Cam was a little exposed (and hesitant to make surging runs) by Anis hugging the touch line, although in fairness  it did allow a good out-ball from Vyner in particular for a counter attack. We certainly missed the Tanner/Sykes combo from the start but we are a team in transition and now is too early to make judgement on several players.

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10 hours ago, Lew-T said:

I’m still not 100% convinced Max O’Leary is the answer for us. I know the results have really picked up, but I don’t get the impression he’s the future for us going forward.

Max has been exceptional recently, but last night would have been a nightmare for any goalkeeper.  At times last night there were at least fifteen players in the six-yard box - I defy any goalkeeper to have a comfortable night when their chances of getting near the ball at set pieces are virtually nil. And whenever Max was in possession of the ball, Wigan were closing us down immediately, leaving him with the only quick option of a long punt downfield.  That’s not the way we play, so he was right to delay distribution until options were available.

Give the bloke some credit - how many goals have we conceded recently?  And whatever happened to ‘he’s one of our own’.  In Zak and Max’s cases that seems to mean that they have more to prove.

 

 

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Now the dust has settled and my disappointment waning , what do I think ?
It was a disappointing performance, didn't create enough, didn't move the ball quickly enough through the game and didn't get them turning nearly enough.  While we did try to hit Mehmeti early, but seemed unaware you could do it for other players too. They were a big old lot and I wanted to hit the space behind the fullbacks more, we seem very timid in hitting those passes with Naismith not in the team. With Bell on near the end he was begging for that ball over the top, it never came. 

No stand out performance for me last night, but Mehmeti caught the eye. Great assist and a couple of runs that didn't quite have an end product. The rest were solid enough , Connick did a lot of pointless running but I'm sure with games he will tune in to our press etc.

The main thing that cost us points was a decent Wigan side. Whether they will keep that effort up , we will see, but 2 away draws and a big win over Huddersfield suggests Maloney is a good fit. On last night I think they will pull clear of trouble, big strong and athletic throughout the team and caused us plenty of problems. 

Different game Saturday, hopefully we can get our game going and with a couple of changes can get something from Sunderland 

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2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

Not sure I've seen anyone say it but that point for Wigan makes Cardiff's relegation slightly more likely. In case anyone needs a little silver lining.

Excellent ??

2 hours ago, Phileas Fogg said:

It's mad isn't it. You'd think people would learn by now that it takes players time to get up to speed - whether that's a new club (Cornick) or match fit after an injury (Weimann).

Precisely. Cornick showed some good touches last night-it’s lunacy to write him off already. 

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Like most I was impressed with Mehmeti but I do wonder whether his lack of game time playing with us was a factor.  I noticed Pearson was constantly asking him to move from his more central position.  I would hope that given more game time we will see and even more dynamic performance to affect the game.

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9 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

Crawled back out of the woodwork I see . Cretin 

Good for you and @Percy Pig( whoever he is really). 

Is this your prowd moment? Well done. You got me..... apart from the bit that I never stopped posting but, hey girls, let's not let facts get in the way of keyboard warriors such as yourselves!! 

Care to dance?

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

Good for you and @Percy Pig( whoever he is really). 

Is this your prowd moment? Well done. You got me..... apart from the bit that I never stopped posting but, hey girls, let's not let facts get in the way of keyboard warriors such as yourselves!! 

Care to dance?

 

 

??? here he is . I love how I get under your skin & to be honest you deserve it . The character assassin supreme. Couldn’t  wait to have a dig at a player that’s hardly pulled on his boots for us . I really would hate to be you .

Oh you really do need to look in the mirror when it comes to a keyboard warrior seeing how you spread lies about Pearson 

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Back on track. 

I watched the game on Robins TV for the first time, it was OK. Decent camera coverage and commentary. 

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before but late second half but that McClean character, whilst fouling into the back of Sykes deliberately racked his studs down the right ankle/achilles. 

Very naughty and surprised the officials didn't spot it. 

ps before I edit, not surprised the officials didn't spot it. 

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Bizarre highlights from Sky on the game.

Missed both of the city chances that hit the woodwork.

Instead showed the easy Max save, and the backheel from Cornick to Weimann that came to absolutely nothing.

I've had to wait until the official youtube video from the club before seeing Scott's header, and Mehmeti's cross shot again.

All a bit weird on Sky's part.

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1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Bizarre highlights from Sky on the game.

Missed both of the city chances that hit the woodwork.

Instead showed the easy Max save, and the backheel from Cornick to Weimann that came to absolutely nothing.

I've had to wait until the official youtube video from the club before seeing Scott's header, and Mehmeti's cross shot again.

All a bit weird on Sky's part.

We also had our usual 60 seconds on the EFL show as well, even when we beat Norwich the other day we had 90 seconds at most but I bet if the result had gone Norwich's way they would have shown 10 minutes and spent the same amount of time waxing lyrical about them. I often half jokingly say if we made the FA cup final they would decide not to televise it that year :laugh:. 

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