Another one gone

[Vidal]

Neil Critchley sacked by QPR.

[cidercity1987]

He's had quite the 9 months

[Jerseybean]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/64654963

[frenchred]

Appointed on a 3 and half year contract in December, sacked after 12 games! Now that is panicking by the QPR board

[alexukhc]

Nathan Jones

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

3 or more managers a season is fast becoming the norm. 

[Vidal]

Can see him going back to Blackpool this summer 

[Lanterne Rouge]

Incredible that NP is the third longest serving Championship manager after Robins and Rowett.

[iamalagerdrinker]

Just now, Lanterne Rouge said:

Incredible that NP is the third longest serving Championship manager after Robins and Rowett.

Rowatt is the surprise one for me there, always seemed to be on the merry go round. 
 

 

[milo1111]

2 minutes ago, alexukhc said:

Nathan Jones

You might be on to something there. They must have something lined up that they are excited about, to sack a man a few months into a long deal when they are skint.

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 minute ago, iamalagerdrinker said:

Rowatt is the surprise one for me there, always seemed to be on the merry go round. 
 

 

He`s found a good fit at Millwall and they`ve probably exceeded expectations every season since he`s been there. I imagine mid-table security is all the board (and the fans) expect of him. They`re financially well run and don`t have too many unachievable dreams. I couldn`t another manager doing better there without spending a fortune.

[Vidal]

2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

He`s found a good fit at Millwall and they`ve probably exceeded expectations every season since he`s been there. I imagine mid-table security is all the board (and the fans) expect of him. They`re financially well run and don`t have too many unachievable dreams. I couldn`t another manager doing better there without spending a fortune.

Has been the case but this season they expect playoffs. Made a number of high profile signings last summer and spent more cash than usual.

[Lanterne Rouge]

2 minutes ago, Vidal said:

Has been the case but this season they expect playoffs. Made a number of high profile signings last summer and spent more cash than usual.

Yes, the frugality of the last few years has paid off - I can`t imagine they have any FFP worries. Good luck to them if they get there doing things the right way and with no PP to help them out.

I`ve got to say, the noise when their winner went in v Blades yesterday made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up!

[E.G.Red]

1 hour ago, frenchred said:

Appointed on a 3 and half year contract in December, sacked after 12 games! Now that is panicking by the QPR board

Surprised they didn't go for Gareth Ainsworth 

[Vidal]

I heard Critchley is one of the very few coaches in uk football to have the elite coaching badge. 

[The Gasbuster]

1 hour ago, alexukhc said:

Nathan Jones

Oh Please No !

I NEVER want to hear him ever again.

[The Gasbuster]

23 minutes ago, E.G.Red said:

Surprised they didn't go for Gareth Ainsworth 

Good shout, with him being an ex player, as well.

Perhaps they will now ?

[CodeRed]

Critchley won his first game in charge of QPR - new manager bounce ? - and hasn't won since in the following 11 games. 

That's 18 out of the 24 Championship clubs who have changed manager since the start of the season ....so far!

Crazy division.

 

[TheReds]

They have been truly awful and confidence must be rock bottom, and if they don't get a new manager bounce they could find themselves in a relegation scrap. They have a few 6 pointers as well coming up  - Rotherham away, Blackpool away, Brum Home, Wigan away in their next 6 games. 

[exAtyeoMax]

I didn’t realise they were doing so badly, they were near the top earlier this season

[TheReds]

8 minutes ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I didn’t realise they were doing so badly, they were near the top earlier this season

On Oct 22nd after beating Wigan they were top after 16 games and had 30 points.

So in their last 17 games they've managed to get 9 points, that is just mental.

[exAtyeoMax]

15 minutes ago, TheReds said:

On Oct 22nd after beating Wigan they were top after 16 games and had 30 points.

So in their last 17 games they've managed to get 9 points, that is just mental.

That is bad

[Ronnie Sinclair]

Got rid of Warburton for finishing 9th, and are now in the brown stuff - no sympathy another club with a revolving door on the manager's office

[downendcity]

38 minutes ago, TheReds said:

On Oct 22nd after beating Wigan they were top after 16 games and had 30 points.

So in their last 17 games they've managed to get 9 points, that is just mental.

That's the type of sublime to ridiculous run that we've managed too often in the past.

[TheReds]

24 minutes ago, downendcity said:

That's the type of sublime to ridiculous run that we've managed too often in the past.

I'm not sure if we have even been on one that bad? It does seem an extraordinary run they are on.

[pillred]

47 minutes ago, TheReds said:

I'm not sure if we have even been on one that bad? It does seem an extraordinary run they are on.

Didn't we lose 8 in a row not that long back?

[FNQ]

Chris Martin has played the full 90 in the last two games…. He had to go.

[Sandhurst Red]

8 hours ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

Got rid of Warburton for finishing 9th, and are now in the brown stuff - no sympathy another club with a revolving door on the manager's office

That's a bit harsh. They brought Beale in, who was a shrewd appointment. Warburton had done ok, but they'd had a really poor finish to the latter part of last season, with some issues behind the scenes apparently.

Hardly their fault that Beale decided to leave after 3 months when Rangers came calling. Was he still at the helm, I've no doubt QPR would comfortably in the top 6. Based on what he had at his disposal, they were over performing.

That said, they are in turmoil now, and someone needs to come in quickly. The hoops fans I know, want answers from the owners and what DOF Les Ferdinand's plan is - both short and long term. The main issue they have is around revenue generation. Due to location, they can't use Loftus road for anything but football, and added to that is the costs of London - wages etc. Supposedly they are being bailed out to the tune of £1.8m a month, and also have to pay off the huge FFP fine (42m!) they got given 5 years ago. They still have over £25m of that to pay off.... so little income, not sold many players for profit and it's looking quite bleak. 

Another example of why we should be very grateful for what we have. 

 

 

 

[TheReds]

2 hours ago, Sandhurst Red said:

Hardly their fault that Beale decided to leave after 3 months when Rangers came calling. Was he still at the helm, I've no doubt QPR would comfortably in the top 6.

None of us will know, but before he left he did lose 4 from 5 and that was against Brum, Coventry, WBA (they were awful back then)  and Hudds, and that was the start of their rapid downfall. I still cannot see them being anywhere close to where they are now though if he did stay, but think they have had a lot of injuries as well. The new manager really needs some sort of bounce as player and club confidence must be so low, if they don't get some points soon it could get very twitchy for them.

[TheReds]

9 hours ago, pillred said:

Didn't we lose 8 in a row not that long back?

We've had some shockers, but with our streaks we used to have some winning/unbeaten ones under LJ I'd be surprised if we had a run of 17 games with only 9 points. I think our worst run under NP was when we were already safe, so without discounting it, there were a few other factors at play too. 

[Sandhurst Red]

8 minutes ago, TheReds said:

None of us will know, but before he left he did lose 4 from 5 and that was against Brum, Coventry, WBA (they were awful back then)  and Hudds, and that was the start of their rapid downfall. I still cannot see them being anywhere close to where they are now though if he did stay, but think they have had a lot of injuries as well. The new manager really needs some sort of bounce as player and club confidence must be so low, if they don't get some points soon it could get very twitchy for them.

Fair point - they had gone on a blip - but 3 of those games were during time where speculation was rife about his future which may have impacted performances. As you say, we'll never know.

I had seen them early on v Hull City and they were excellent. Organised, attacking minded and very comfortable with ball at foot. Quite the contrast to now, it must be said. One of my best friends is a QPR season ticket holder and can't believe what they are serving up at present.

I think they have just got enough to see them safe, but if there is another weekend like this one just gone, where all the bottom sides got points - they will be soon looking over their shoulder, unless the new manager can come in and get the best out of the group. 
 

[TheReds]

Just now, Sandhurst Red said:

Fair point - they had gone on a blip - but 3 of those games were during time where speculation was rife about his future which may have impacted performances. As you say, we'll never know.

I had seen them early on v Hull City and they were excellent. Organised, attacking minded and very comfortable with ball at foot. Quite the contrast to now, it must be said. One of my best friends is a QPR season ticket holder and can't believe what they are serving up at present.

I think they have just got enough to see them safe, but if there is another weekend like this one just gone, where all the bottom sides got points - they will be soon looking over their shoulder, unless the new manager can come in and get the best out of the group. 
 

Agreed that speculation wouldn't have helped. 

I watched one of their games and they were superb and that may have been before we played them. They should get enough points to stay up and you'd have to expect them to get some points out of the games against the teams below them, but it wouldn't be the biggest shock to see them dragged down right into it. If they go behind/lose on the weekend at home then the atmosphere could get extremely toxic if it hasn't already.

[Mr Popodopolous]

QPR and Wycombe have agreed compensation.

Now it's up to Ainsworth- that final game is looking a bit harder now.

[Major Isewater]

28 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

QPR and Wycombe have agreed compensation.

Now it's up to Ainsworth- that final game is looking a bit harder now.

If they pick up their performances then a middle of the table , end of the season kick about in the sun is the most likely result.

No guarantees that Ainsworth will still be in the job though. 

Edited February 20, 2023 by Major Isewater

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

If they pick up their performances then a middle of the table , end of the season kick about in the sun is the most likely result.

No guarantees that Ainsworth will still be in the job though. 

True. Still I worry about if we needed something to have a chance of playoffs that'd probably make it a bit harder under Ainsworth than Critchley (who by the way was absolutely fine at Blackpool but it seemed not to work at QPR).

[Vidal]

Don’t get the love in with Ainsworth. 

[Major Isewater]

7 minutes ago, Vidal said:

Don’t get the love in with Ainsworth. 

He’s a rocker,  man. 

[Davefevs]

Good manager who’s achieved a lot on a very small budget over the years.

[Northern Red]

Ex-player there too.

[Davefevs]

41 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Ex-player there too.

Ex-Caretaker manager too.  Twice.

[Vidal]

12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Ex-Caretaker manager too.  Twice.

There was a doc where there old chairman, Briatore is in the stand moaning about how shit Ainsworth is and that he needs to change it…..instructs him to make a sub, sub comes on and scores, Briatore goes Mad in a happy way.

[East Londoner]

Be interesting to see what he decides to do, seems very much in his comfort zone at Wycombe 

[Vidal]

TalkSPORT saying QPR hav made approsch for Dean Holden!!!

[Sleepy1968]

23 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Yes, the frugality of the last few years has paid off - I can`t imagine they have any FFP worries. Good luck to them if they get there doing things the right way and with no PP to help them out.

I`ve got to say, the noise when their winner went in v Blades yesterday made the hairs on the back of your neck stand up!

Don't tell anyone, but I secretly like Milwall (whenever we aren't playing them of course).

[sglosbcfc]

Nathan Jones should get it, he's been gone too long.

[2015]

27 minutes ago, Sleepy1968 said:

Don't tell anyone, but I secretly like Milwall (whenever we aren't playing them of course).

Proper club with loud and passionate fans. Would much rather play a Millwall than a Fulham. Always makes for a better atmosphere. I think 'admire' is a better word to describe them than 'like' when it comes to Millwall.

[E.G.Red]

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Ex-Caretaker manager too.  Twice.

Don't know why when he was under consideration back in December they didn't give it to him then.

[Selred]

5 hours ago, Vidal said:

Don’t get the love in with Ainsworth. 

Blokes a miracle worker. Took over in league 2, got them promoted, then achieved their highest ever position when they got promoted to the championship. 

All working with tiny budgets, tiny ground.

[Vidal]

9 hours ago, Selred said:

Blokes a miracle worker. Took over in league 2, got them promoted, then achieved their highest ever position when they got promoted to the championship. 

All working with tiny budgets, tiny ground.

Weren’t they mid table when they got promoted to the championships? Burton, Yeovil, Scunthorpe the list of clubs goes on…..plenty of small sides with no money have got into the champ. Has signed plenty of championship quality players, haven’t seen the likes of Fleetwood and Morecombe do that.

Done a good job, but miracle worker? OTT in my view. 

Edited February 21, 2023 by Vidal

[Selred]

1 hour ago, Vidal said:

Weren’t they mid table when they got promoted to the championships? Burton, Yeovil, Scunthorpe the list of clubs goes on…..plenty of small sides with no money have got into the champ. Has signed plenty of championship quality players, haven’t seen the likes of Fleetwood and Morecombe do that.

Done a good job, but miracle worker? OTT in my view. 

They were league two when he took over. Yes Burton, Yeovil, Scunthorpe all have been in the Champ, but it's still a massive achievement. Look at League One this season!

Can you let me know what "championship quality players" he signed? 

 

[Vidal]

22 minutes ago, Selred said:

They were league two when he took over. Yes Burton, Yeovil, Scunthorpe all have been in the Champ, but it's still a massive achievement. Look at League One this season!

Can you let me know what "championship quality players" he signed? 

 

Sam Vokes, Gareth Mcleary, Jordan Obita, Josh Scowen, Alfie Mawson, Jordan Willis, Lewis Wing - all with 100+ championship appearances. This idea they have no money just isn’t true.

[Davefevs]

50 minutes ago, Vidal said:

This idea they have no money just isn’t true.

What’s your definition of “no money”?

I think most of us are referring to them having a fraction of the budget of lots of clubs, and therefore Ainsworth has punched well above his weight at WW.  They deal in free transfers.

9.1 Qualifying as a small company

For accounting periods beginning on or after 1 January 2016, a small company must meet at least 2 of the following conditions:

annual turnover must be not more than £10.2 million

the balance sheet total must be not more than £5.1 million

the average number of employees must be not more than 50

For accounting periods beginning before 1 January 2016 the thresholds were:

annual turnover must be not more than £6.5 million

the balance sheet total must be not more than £3.26 million

the average number of employees must be not more than 50

 

[Vidal]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

What’s your definition of “no money”?

I think most of us are referring to them having a fraction of the budget of lots of clubs, and therefore Ainsworth has punched well above his weight at WW.  They deal in free transfers.

9.1 Qualifying as a small company

For accounting periods beginning on or after 1 January 2016, a small company must meet at least 2 of the following conditions:

annual turnover must be not more than £10.2 million

the balance sheet total must be not more than £5.1 million

the average number of employees must be not more than 50

For accounting periods beginning before 1 January 2016 the thresholds were:

annual turnover must be not more than £6.5 million

the balance sheet total must be not more than £3.26 million

the average number of employees must be not more than 50

 

who is it they are punching above that they shouldn’t be? Charlton and Portsmouth - serial underachievers recovering from financial disasters. Who else? Look at league 1…..fleetwood, morecombe, port vale? Exeter? Accrington? 

He has done a good job, but he has had a level of resource that other clubs could only dream of at the stages of the careers they are in. 

Edited February 21, 2023 by Vidal

[Selred]

2 hours ago, Vidal said:

Sam Vokes, Gareth Mcleary, Jordan Obita, Josh Scowen, Alfie Mawson, Jordan Willis, Lewis Wing - all with 100+ championship appearances. This idea they have no money just isn’t true.

A lot are often injury prone, and out of contract. If they were "Championship quality" I'd argue they'd be in the Championship now.

This is why they aren't Championship players anymore. Willis has been out of contract for 6 months for example, and only came in because Mawson has retired. Wing was on loan in League One last season, and is only on a short term contract, McCleary is 35 (!) and was out of contract 4 months before joining Wycombe. None are big money signings.

So actually it's more of a case that Wycombe that sign players on frees, takes risks (injury prone but good players, hoping they can help get them fit), and have low contracts with some decent appearance bonus clauses. They've spent no money this season for example on transfer fees, and are 7th.

It's a club being run correctly. They also are one of the few clubs to make a profit. This is in part because Ainsworth got them promoted to the Championship, perhaps meaning they can pay a bit more on wages (I don't know if this is the case), but that's due to Ainsworth's results (not Ainsworth results due to them having money).

[TheReds]

2 hours ago, Vidal said:

Sam Vokes, Gareth Mcleary, Jordan Obita, Josh Scowen, Alfie Mawson, Jordan Willis, Lewis Wing - all with 100+ championship appearances. This idea they have no money just isn’t true.

Mccleary - 33yo when he signed for them and out of contract

Vokes - 32yo  (previous season only 5 starts and 1 goal all season in the Championship)

Obita - 23 appearances in the 3 previous seasons in the Championship

Scowen - 2 seasons in League one before signing for them

Mawson - signed on loan in League 2 at aged 20, after spells on loan in the conference (hardly a Championship player then)

I would be interested to hear your comments if Pearson went and signed any of them, and told us all that they were Championship class players when they were signed. You seem to think everyone seems to go overboard with praise on here, yet it looks like you have gone way, way, way OTT with your assessment of Wycombe Wanderers imo.

[Ska Junkie]

18 hours ago, 2015 said:

Proper club with loud and passionate fans. Would much rather play a Millwall than a Fulham. Always makes for a better atmosphere. I think 'admire' is a better word to describe them than 'like' when it comes to Millwall.

Whenever I stay in London for work, I usually head for Bermondsey, if Millwall are home, to catch a game. The atmosphere is as near as you get to 'old school' and I like that.

Edited February 21, 2023 by Ska Junkie

[Vidal]

57 minutes ago, TheReds said:

Mccleary - 33yo when he signed for them and out of contract

Vokes - 32yo  (previous season only 5 starts and 1 goal all season in the Championship)

Obita - 23 appearances in the 3 previous seasons in the Championship

Scowen - 2 seasons in League one before signing for them

Mawson - signed on loan in League 2 at aged 20, after spells on loan in the conference (hardly a Championship player then)

I would be interested to hear your comments if Pearson went and signed any of them, and told us all that they were Championship class players when they were signed. You seem to think everyone seems to go overboard with praise on here, yet it looks like you have gone way, way, way OTT with your assessment of Wycombe Wanderers imo.

You can pick and choose statistics to suit an argument it’s a waste of time. I could say Mccleary 300+ champ appearances, obita 150 signed when 29. Scowen 150 champ appearances. Mawson went back to them earlier in the season this isn’t about when he was 20.

[Vidal]

1 hour ago, Selred said:

A lot are often injury prone, and out of contract. If they were "Championship quality" I'd argue they'd be in the Championship now.

This is why they aren't Championship players anymore. Willis has been out of contract for 6 months for example, and only came in because Mawson has retired. Wing was on loan in League One last season, and is only on a short term contract, McCleary is 35 (!) and was out of contract 4 months before joining Wycombe. None are big money signings.

So actually it's more of a case that Wycombe that sign players on frees, takes risks (injury prone but good players, hoping they can help get them fit), and have low contracts with some decent appearance bonus clauses. They've spent no money this season for example on transfer fees, and are 7th.

It's a club being run correctly. They also are one of the few clubs to make a profit. This is in part because Ainsworth got them promoted to the Championship, perhaps meaning they can pay a bit more on wages (I don't know if this is the case), but that's due to Ainsworth's results (not Ainsworth results due to them having money).

 No one said they were big money signings. Yes McCleary is 35, he wasn’t when he signed for them though so another pointless intervention.

[TheReds]

19 minutes ago, Vidal said:

You can pick and choose statistics to suit an argument it’s a waste of time. I could say Mccleary 300+ champ appearances, obita 150 signed when 29. Scowen 150 champ appearances. Mawson went back to them earlier in the season this isn’t about when he was 20.

I've simply added some substance to a simple list that you provided, unsure why you seem to get so defensive when anyone replies to you. Stats are backing up my point!!

It is pretty obvious to everyone who seems to be looking in that Wycombe are pretty skint, they are searching for players that are either past their prime but still have ability, have had injury issues so are cheap, OOC, free, cheap etc etc etc. Yet you seem to think they weren't, or aren't punching above their weight. That have massively overachieved with what they have.

As for Mawson playing for Wycombe this season - it pretty much proves the point being made, he made 11 appearances for us and got injured, he re-signed for Wycombe this season. A huge risk for any club signing him and taking a punt and then he got injured and retired. 

Again, would you be happy if Pearson signed any, or all of the ones on your list?

[Selred]

26 minutes ago, Vidal said:

You can pick and choose statistics to suit an argument it’s a waste of time. I could say Mccleary 300+ champ appearances, obita 150 signed when 29. Scowen 150 champ appearances. Mawson went back to them earlier in the season this isn’t about when he was 20.

 

19 minutes ago, Vidal said:

 No one said they were big money signings. Yes McCleary is 35, he wasn’t when he signed for them though so another pointless intervention.

But you are picking the statistics. The players you mentioned may of once been Championship quality, but aren't anymore. 

They haven't signed Championship players in their prime, most of the players you quoting were either playing League One just prior to being signed (Obita, Scowen), or out of contract (Mawson, Willis, McClearly).

McCleary was out of contract for 4 months before signing for Wycombe for example. He was also signed by them aged 32, when they were in the Championship. His salary is probably very low, because before joining Wycombe he was earning £0 per week unattached.

 

 

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, Vidal said:

who is it they are punching above that they shouldn’t be? Charlton and Portsmouth - serial underachievers recovering from financial disasters. Who else? Look at league 1…..fleetwood, morecombe, port vale? Exeter? Accrington? 

He has done a good job, but he has had a level of resource that other clubs could only dream of at the stages of the careers they are in. 

What’s your definition of “no money” as in its not as if they’ve no money?

I’m trying to understand your rationale for the statement.

You then go and choose 5 clubs with low budgets (also), tiny in Stanley’s case…but none of which have achieved promotion, and without checking none have achieved a play-off position in Lg1 either.

We see in the Championship the haves and the have nots.  Most of the have nots can be relatively competitive, but very few attain league position success.  That what Ainsworth has done, that’s the difference.

 

[Vidal]

31 minutes ago, Selred said:

 

But you are picking the statistics. The players you mentioned may of once been Championship quality, but aren't anymore. 

They haven't signed Championship players in their prime, most of the players you quoting were either playing League One just prior to being signed (Obita, Scowen), or out of contract (Mawson, Willis, McClearly).

McCleary was out of contract for 4 months before signing for Wycombe for example. He was also signed by them aged 32, when they were in the Championship. His salary is probably very low, because before joining Wycombe he was earning £0 per week unattached.

 

 

You’re missing the point, the question is why did these players go to Wycombe and not Port Vale, Forest Green, Morecombe, Accrington, Fleetwood etc. I’m not going to ask because it is obvious, this idea they are some tiny finish in a big L1 pond is nonsense. Is he doing a good job, yes…..but people on here are OTT as they are with Pearson. 

[Selred]

6 minutes ago, Vidal said:

You’re missing the point, the question is why did these players go to Wycombe and not Port Vale, Forest Green, Morecombe, Accrington, Fleetwood etc. I’m not going to ask because it is obvious, this idea they are some tiny finish in a big L1 pond is nonsense. Is he doing a good job, yes…..but people on here are OTT as they are with Pearson. 

Because Wycombe got a bonus from getting promoted? So they can afford slightly more wages than the minnows. But their wages will be a lot lower than most of League One still.

Look at the Wycombe squad when they got promoted. How many of those were proven championship players?

[2015]

Didn't Ainsworth take over when they were in the relegation zone in League 2 and sent the Gas down to the conference on the final day of 2013/14?

He has done a great job for Wycombe.

[TheReds]

24 minutes ago, Selred said:

Because Wycombe got a bonus from getting promoted? So they can afford slightly more wages than the minnows. But their wages will be a lot lower than most of League One still.

Look at the Wycombe squad when they got promoted. How many of those were proven championship players?

I'm still waiting for answers on the Pearson thread and this one regarding questions about players. I reckon you have no chance either, bar a load of deflection.

There is definitely some sort of agenda going on by Vidal on here.

[Northern Red]

Up The City!

[Silvio Dante]

16 minutes ago, TheReds said:

I'm still waiting for answers on the Pearson thread and this one regarding questions about players. I reckon you have no chance either, bar a load of deflection.

There is definitely some sort of agenda going on by Vidal on here.

I think the broader question is, if Vidal is so sure of his/her/their opinions, why he/she/they have decided to create a new account as opposed to reverting to their old one and username…

[Vidal]

24 minutes ago, Selred said:

Because Wycombe got a bonus from getting promoted? So they can afford slightly more wages than the minnows. But their wages will be a lot lower than most of League One still.

Look at the Wycombe squad when they got promoted. How many of those were proven championship players?

Good your making progress, you can acknowledge that the wages they pay are more than a number of other sides in that division - add in location, berks/bucks border no wonder players will perhaps prefer them to other less fancied and financially equipped options.

I don’t know why people pretend to be in the know or why you state that their wages will be a lot lower than “most of league 1”.

You have no evidence for that, it’s just a pointless statement to try and boost your argument. Ipswich, Derby, Sheff Wed obviously, as for the rest who knows, you certainly don’t.

[Vidal]

27 minutes ago, TheReds said:

I'm still waiting for answers on the Pearson thread and this one regarding questions about players. I reckon you have no chance either, bar a load of deflection.

There is definitely some sort of agenda going on by Vidal on here.

I don’t know what post you referring too.

[TheReds]

10 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

I think the broader question is, if Vidal is so sure of his/her/their opinions, why he/she/they have decided to create a new account as opposed to reverting to their old one and username…

I seen the previous name "waconda" banded about but I don't know why that account has gone and has now opened a new one?

Anyone enlighten me?