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58 minutes ago, SouthStand Sandwich said:

It is truly is an abhorration …. so cheap looking… league 2 standard at best.

Can’t see our younger fans snapping these shirts up… I mean them being brand conscious… 

Even the gas have a more credible shirt manufacturer…

just soo badly advised… who signed this off at the club? Bermuda Jon?

 

Well my son loves it, if that's anything to go by. He's 16.

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21 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Think when you buy a 50quid kit for your kid you expect it to last more than a few months before being binned for a new one. 

Not really the club's choice if they can't guarantee a minimum level of required stock until the end of the season as it says in the article.

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italian dave

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1 hour ago, Ghost Rider said:

That shirt is so bad. Looks so cheap. I absolutely loved the Hummel kits, especially the grey one this year. 

please don’t say we’ve signed a multiple year deal with this tat! ?

Whether you like it or not (I liked both the grey and the white ones) I’d certainly hope we’ll be with them for more than one year. And that this is our shirt for next season. Changing it again in August really would be taking the piss. 

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It’s ok, bit bland with nothing design-wise to get excited about. Seems a bit of ‘we need to get something out quick, let’s look through our past catalogue’.

Pity we’re moving from an established ‘premier’ brand…but if they can’t supply enough shirts for the first team, let alone supporters we’re left with little choice it seems.

Like the O’Neill video which has allayed some concerns about origin and likely quality. Are they same as the established and decent’ish surf gear manufacturer? Seems a different logo.

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1960maaan

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2 hours ago, ExiledAjax said:

You're right to challenge me. I don't know many details.

All I know is that I have had a number of discussions with the club over the last two years related to kit. Mainly these have been aimed at ensuring that our kits take colourblind fans into consideration. Through those chats I have been told, by Gould, that kits are signed off in September/October each year and that is JL's responsibility/. That's not huge news to most as it's well known that JL looks after kit designs.

Then, through my job, I know a little bit about commercial contracts and the types of clauses they tend to contain. Not specifically football kit supply contracts, but general B2B contracts for supply of goods and services.

So it is just with those bits of background that I offer my conjecture, supposition, and assumption for the consideration of the forum.

With respect to whether the EFL would consider us to be "changing kit" - that would pretty much be up to the opinion of the EFL. Reg 39.1 in full says: "During the Close Season, each Club shall notify The League in writing details of its ‘home’ and ‘away’ kit (shirt, shorts and socks) and if applicable any ‘third’ set of kit. Each set of kit registered must differ visibly from and contrast with each other kit registered by the Club in that Season. No changes either in the kit or combination of colours of kits shall be permitted during the course of the Season."

It's quite clear that the EFL expects kits to be finalised during the off-season, and do not expect any changes to the kit during the season. However, there is also scope for a club to approach the EFL should a change be necessary. I expect the EFL would have a pretty high threshold as to whether a change is "necessary" and "we don't like our kit supplier and they've been a bit slow" is unlikely to cut the mustard.

I don't mean in terms of any potential breach of contract. If the terms say we can terminate without payment then we will do so.

What I was referring to was specifically whether we might need to pay them for the designs that they produced in the autumn of 2022 - if we want to use those designs with O'Neills. I don't know the answer btw, it will depend on the contract terms. It might also be irrelevant if O'Neills have created entirely new designs.

I know less than you ( think that's a fairly safe bet) but wouldn't the fact that Hummel , through Elite Sports going into admin , can't fulfil the contract be an easy out ? 
Coventry apparently bought up stocks from the Administrators in December , when they announced they would have to get a new supplier. Newport stopped selling all merch as the shop and online was run by Elite. So City saying they were concerned about being able to continue to supply kit for the first team, I imagine the League would at least look kindly at a change.
TBF they allowed us to wear that horrible Centenary shirt so they do have a sense of humour.

The designs thing might be different. We have had input in the kits I believe , that could mean the ownership of design is ours, rather than leaving it to the Hummel designers and them just dropping a kit off to us. 

I wonder if Hummel have to wait for the outcome with Elite, before they can look for a new UK distributor.  Elite themselves were suing Rangers for about £20m last year, not sure how that impacts on anything and I can't find any updates.


 

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CyderInACan

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1 hour ago, OddBallJim said:

Fantastic recreation of one of my favourite ever kits. 

It’s a yes from me.

One of my favourite kits from one of my favourite ever seasons, even - looking back - one of my favourite periods in my life. But I think a basic copy & paste is poor. By all means take inspiration from it or whatever but don’t just bloody copy it. 

Yours, I. B. Gutted of BS3 

 

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27 minutes ago, WolfOfWestStreet said:

Think when you buy a 50quid kit for your kid you expect it to last more than a few months before being binned for a new one. 

It’s pretty obvious this was an unfortunate situation outside of the club’s control.

That said, I think a fiver off for those who have this season’s Hummel shirt would be a nice gesture.

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2 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

It’s pretty obvious this was an unfortunate situation outside of the club’s control.

That said, I think a fiver off for those who have this season’s Hummel shirt would be a nice gesture.

And to make matters worse, my lad got SEMENYO printed on his!! ?

Appreciate it’s an unusual situation and understand why the club have done it. 

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RedM

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1 hour ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

Look at the last few seconds of this - putting another packaged shirt on top of the red one (its blurry but it looks colourful, possibly a GK jersey?) 
 

 

Great spot. So maybe black with bright colours?

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42 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Nostalgia's all we've got left, my friend ?

But was it really as good as we thought at the time? Which on reflection sounds like a song lyric.
There’s always that nagging feeling of “it never rained when you played football before school” isn’t there?

For instance Thatcher was still in power (just) then & I bloody lived in Kingswood..


 

 

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RoystonFoote'snephew

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I'm disappointed about the collapse of the Hummel contract but it is, what it is and let's hope this supplier is more secure. I'm not mad keen on the design of the new shirt having never really liked the old Hireite one. However, I'm more interested in its quality and fit which I have to wait and see on. Hummel shirts were roomy and I hoping this will be the same. 

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NOTBLUE

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2 minutes ago, chucky said:

If it weren't for those meddling kids stealing the shirts off the players backs after matches!

Not just meddling,pesky.

6 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

But was it really as good as we thought at the time? Which on reflection sounds like a song lyric.
There’s always that nagging feeling of “it never rained when you played football before school” isn’t there?

For instance Thatcher was still in power (just) then & I bloody lived in Kingswood..


 

 

Jumpers for goalposts.

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1 minute ago, RedRock said:

It’s ok, bit bland with nothing design-wise to get excited about. Seems a bit of ‘we need to get something out quick, let’s look through our past catalogue’.

Pity we’re moving from an established ‘premier’ brand…but if they can’t supply enough shirts for the first team, let alone supporters we’re left with little choice it seems.

Like the O’Neill video which has allayed some concerns about origin and likely quality. Are they same as the established and decent’ish surf gear manufacturer? Seems a different logo.

I think the quotation marks in this post are very apt.

Part of the evident appreciation for Hummel was perhaps that a lot of fans viewed Hummel as a "premier" shirt manufacturer for their history of supplying famous teams and iconic kits over the years. But it is just that "history". Their chosen distributor going out of business left us high and dry. I asume our legal team had break clauses in the six year contract (watertight?) which were realised when that happened.

There have been a lot of complaints on the fourm over the lack of availability of Kit in the shop from fans. Commercially this situation would have been disastorous for the club in reecnt months (missed opportunities at Christmas, and during our recent good run with bigger gates).

It sounds very much like the club have been now been backed into a corner by this turn of events - On the face of it it seems to me like thery have made a pro-active decision to change to next seasons Kit now to prevent the problems that could be caused by not having enough Kit for the players. This deal will also bring in revenue, as they can start selling Kit in the shop again soon.
 

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1 minute ago, cityal said:

I think the quotation marks in this post are very apt.

Part of the evident appreciation for Hummel was perhaps that a lot of fans viewed Hummel as a "premier" shirt manufacturer for their history of supplying famous teams and iconic kits over the years. But it is just that "history". Their chosen distributor going out of business left us high and dry. I asume our legal team had break clauses in the six year contract (watertight?) which were realised when that happened.

There have been a lot of complaints on the fourm over the lack of availability of Kit in the shop from fans. Commercially this situation would have been disastorous for the club in reecnt months (missed opportunities at Christmas, and during our recent good run with bigger gates).

It sounds very much like the club have been now been backed into a corner by this turn of events - On the face of it it seems to me like thery have made a pro-active decision to change to next seasons Kit now to prevent the problems that could be caused by not having enough Kit for the players. This deal will also bring in revenue, as they can start selling Kit in the shop again soon.
 

So we had Adidas kit once, and they were unable to provide us with any stock, and now we've had the same issue with another premium brand.

Next season, I hope we get a George At Asda kit. 

Should fix everything. 

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1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

I’ve gone way past buying shirts but I do like wearing the shorts for holiday & around the house . Got both away kits shorts . It’s good when the players look smart though 

I’ve only ever bought two of our shirts and both times we were relegated ?

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Perhaps an indication of the additional stuff we may see, as per Wycombe’s range:

https://www.oneills.com/uk_en/shop-by-team/soccer/soccer-clubs/wycombe-wanderers-fc.html

AND

https://www.oneills.com/uk_en/shop-by-team/soccer/soccer-clubs/wycombe-wanderers-foundation-player-training-kit.html

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cider hoss rules

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3 minutes ago, Pickle Rick said:

Perhaps an indication of the additional stuff we may see, as per Wycombe’s range:

https://www.oneills.com/uk_en/shop-by-team/soccer/soccer-clubs/wycombe-wanderers-fc.html

Maybe it was a clause in the Anis Mehmeti deal, he only likes Oneills gear so wouldn't sign unless we changed supplier.

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17 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Could we not have done the same?

Coventry bought up stocks from the administrators, not sure there were stocks of ours to buy up, that may have allowed them to see out the season.  That partnership (Sportspro/Hummel) must be fairly new, or I missed it. I did search to see but hadn't seen anything, the Cov announcement was the first mention I could see.
I think City just lost confidence in Hummel , they have potentially lost a lot of sales (this time not their fault) .
Plus it could be a better deal.

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1 hour ago, OddBallJim said:

Something has occurred to me.

There are typically subtle differences between the shirts that go to the playing squad and the ones that are available for the fans. Player edition shirts often have a little hologram on them as well. 

Some clubs even sell two types of shirt - an ‘elite’ version (meant to represent the closest you can get to the athletic and borderline skin-tight player cut/fit) shirts and a ‘plebs’ version (typically looser and perhaps more suitable for your average pasty enthusiast city supporter).

Given Hummel’s (or rather Elite Sports) monumental blunders, and having read between the lines of the various statements which have been released today implying that the playing squad literally ran out of kit, I wonder if in any of the games this season any of our sides have been wearing the shirts that would/should’ve been in the club shop (I.e. the cheap versions for the plebs)?
 

 

I have Martins shirt from the away game at Reading, Its exactly the same the shirt from the club shop except for the badges on the arms. I was surprised as I thought they were 2 different kinds.

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37 minutes ago, RedRock said:

It’s ok, bit bland with nothing design-wise to get excited about. Seems a bit of ‘we need to get something out quick, let’s look through our past catalogue’.

Pity we’re moving from an established ‘premier’ brand…but if they can’t supply enough shirts for the first team, let alone supporters we’re left with little choice it seems.

Like the O’Neill video which has allayed some concerns about origin and likely quality. Are they same as the established and decent’ish surf gear manufacturer? Seems a different logo.

No, they’re not the same company as the surf co - that company, as you rightly say has some kudos attached to it… no, the O’Neills we have is a Gaelic football brand who sponsor such football giants as Wycombe wanderers, Weymouth town and a number of park football teams…

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All Hummel kit comes from Denmark. There was a a distribution centre in Blackburn but went bust back end of last year. They’ve only recently just been brought out and will be back up and running in this country but the stock of kit has been a shambles. Don’t blame the club one bit for moving away, they must have lost some serious money over recent weeks. Great to see JL is still knocking around. Never in doubt we’d see his face with a new kit launch. 

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9 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Coventry bought up stocks from the administrators, not sure there were stocks of ours to buy up, that may have allowed them to see out the season.  That partnership (Sportspro/Hummel) must be fairly new, or I missed it. I did search to see but hadn't seen anything, the Cov announcement was the first mention I could see.
I think City just lost confidence in Hummel , they have potentially lost a lot of sales (this time not their fault) .
Plus it could be a better deal.

Yes, I wondered if the new supplier tried to change the terms and conditions and make them worse for us. 

 

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W-S-M Seagull

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7 minutes ago, ChippenhamRed said:

Well now….this lends the whole affair a rather different perspective…

I don't think it does. Coventry have been run poorly for years. It's no surprise they wish to continue with a supplier that has messed them around.

Just shows the difference in professionalism between the two clubs. We're not prepared to continue to work with people that have messed us around, Coventry are. 

Very interesting that Coventry have released this news not long after we've announced our new partnership. 

It could well be that O'Neils were the only available company that could supply kits at short notice and we got there ahead of Coventry, hence why they've maybe been forced to continue with Hummel.

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5 hours ago, Henry said:

It’s very easy to put the stock issues at the door of Hummels.

The stock levels have been a shambles for years. The common dominator is the football club.

The same thing happened to Millwall.  They negotiated with the Administrator at Elite to buy the remaining Millwall kit which the supplietr still had in stock, so they were able to carry on selling to fans for a while (not quite the same as Coventry) 

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3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I don't think it does. Coventry have been run poorly for years. It's no surprise they wish to continue with a supplier that has messed them around.

Just shows the difference in professionalism between the two clubs. We're not prepared to continue to work with people that have messed us around, Coventry are. 

Very interesting that Coventry have released this news not long after we've announced our new partnership. 

It could well be that O'Neils were the only available company that could supply kits at short notice and we got there ahead of Coventry, hence why they've maybe been forced to continue with Hummel.

Yep fair enough, and I’m not necessarily suggesting we did the wrong thing - simply that there may still have been an option to stay with Hummel.

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59 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I know less than you ( think that's a fairly safe bet) but wouldn't the fact that Hummel , through Elite Sports going into admin , can't fulfil the contract be an easy out ? 
Coventry apparently bought up stocks from the Administrators in December , when they announced they would have to get a new supplier. Newport stopped selling all merch as the shop and online was run by Elite. So City saying they were concerned about being able to continue to supply kit for the first team, I imagine the League would at least look kindly at a change.
TBF they allowed us to wear that horrible Centenary shirt so they do have a sense of humour.

The designs thing might be different. We have had input in the kits I believe , that could mean the ownership of design is ours, rather than leaving it to the Hummel designers and them just dropping a kit off to us. 

I wonder if Hummel have to wait for the outcome with Elite, before they can look for a new UK distributor.  Elite themselves were suing Rangers for about £20m last year, not sure how that impacts on anything and I can't find any updates.

Cheers. I'd wondered what other Hummel customers were doing. Interesting what Coventry are doing as well.

Jon Lansdown's interview suggests to me that these are brand new designs done very quickly with O'Neill's. That removes any issue with Hummel, it's what I hoped to hear.

As to the EFL. I guess it's pretty clear that we've sorted whatever we needed to sort with them and they've been reasonable given the situation we, Hummel, and Elite are in.

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35 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Could we not have done the same?

Maybe we’ve been unimpressed with Hummel and their supply chain, and we thought it made commercial sense to use this as the “opportunity” to get out of the contract.  If they can’t supply first team kit, that’s pretty piss poor imho.  Maybe Coventry were desperate?

We all moan that we can’t get get kit, or kit in the right size…some of that will be because of the Hummel issue (some our own ineptitude no doubt), but I’m surprised that OTIB is not open minded about this change.

 

 

 

(okay I’m not surprised at all….it is exactly the OTIB response I expected, some decreeing tinpot company, others decreeing the quality will be crap, etc, etc)

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The only City shirt I possess is the one with the tramlines but black hirerite logo, was that before or after the white hirerite logo shirt? 
my 11 year old daughter wears it as a night dress occasionally but maybe I ought to wear it now,amazingly it still fits!   My girl is a bit miffed her two shirts of this season are already out of date but I guess they didn’t have much choice but to change them.

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