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Good player.

Derby have produced some good homegrown players in recent years.  I like Max Bird too.  Cashin is attracting attention too.

Whilst not forgetting Buchanan (LB) who went to Werder Bremen on a free last summer.  Has barely played.  Would prefer him over Currie if it was a deal that could be done.

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Knight would be a strong addition certainly. Gut feeling is that he'll stay with Derby for a bit longer however.

Is anyone else a bit surprised that Derby despite relegation, administration and near bankruptcy managed to retain Bird, Knight, ans Sibley? Possibly Cashin too although he's younger.

I'd add Bieilk to that although he technically is on loan at Championship level.

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This is just one of those suggestion articles without any basis in fact that we are actually looking at him.

He’s out of contract this summer & if Derby failed to go up through the playoffs might be a possibility, but then so could half a dozen others.

Whether Scott goes or stays (or is sold & we loan him back) we’ll need another centre mid player to replace Massengo this summer.

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On 27/02/2023 at 13:00, Mr Popodopolous said:

Knight would be a strong addition certainly. Gut feeling is that he'll stay with Derby for a bit longer however.

Is anyone else a bit surprised that Derby despite relegation, administration and near bankruptcy managed to retain Bird, Knight, ans Sibley? Possibly Cashin too although he's younger.

I'd add Bieilk to that although he technically is on loan at Championship level.

You think they might want to cashin on Cashin?

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I think we already have a player that might step into Alex's role, and that's Benarous. Of course, his recovery from injury remains to be seen, but he certainly seems to have talent.

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On 04/03/2023 at 20:37, Tom said:

I think we already have a player that might step into Alex's role, and that's Benarous. Of course, his recovery from injury remains to be seen, but he certainly seems to have talent.

I don’t think we can pin hopes and / or expectations on Benerous. He’ll need time, patience and some real TLC before coming back this time. I would suggest Pearson will be over cautious if anything. 

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5 hours ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

I don’t think we can pin hopes and / or expectations on Benerous. He’ll need time, patience and some real TLC before coming back this time. I would suggest Pearson will be over cautious if anything. 

We might just have an extra season of Alex back on loan, so he might just get that time. 

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6 minutes ago, Tom said:

We might just have an extra season of Alex back on loan, so he might just get that time. 

I find that almost impossible to believe. I don't think any of the big 4 are in for him and any other team in the Championship will want him available straight away.

Who is going to pay 20-25m for him only to potentially see him kicked around the Championship for a year?

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8 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I find that almost impossible to believe. I don't think any of the big 4 are in for him and any other team in the Championship will want him available straight away.

Who is going to pay 20-25m for him only to potentially see him kicked around the Championship for a year?


Okay, well, if you asked me 3.5 years ago would we have picked up a 16-year-old kid from Guernsey and then be asking for 20-25 million for him three years down the line, I would have told you that was impossible to believe.
 

The point I'm trying to make is we might not need to replace him with an external player in the summer, that there are plenty of players that can play that AMC role at the club (including one we just signed in Mehmeti). In the meantime, Benarous might well come good (even if Scott leaves in the summer). I'm not saying Benarous goes straight in to playing 40 games next season, that is unrealistic (but not impossible).

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50 minutes ago, mozo said:

I don't know if Knight is any good but he fits the profile in terms of age, will have 150+ league games under his belt and contract expiring. 

Imho, he’s a good player.

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If Derby get promoted I’d say no chance of getting him.  He’s got a one-year option, which Derby will surely trigger…so we’d have to pay a fee.

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1 minute ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Knight is an excellent player and would be a great replacement if Scott were to depart. I don't see Derby getting promoted. I expect the top 2 to remain the same to the end of the season and the in form Barnsley to win the play offs. 

Brave call.

Barnsley’s next 4 games are;

Plymouth, Wycombe, Sheffield Wednesday & Ipswich.

If they are still “in form” after that lot then maybe, but Ipswich or Derby would be very tough in the playoffs, big clubs.

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25 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Brave call.

Barnsley’s next 4 games are;

Plymouth, Wycombe, Sheffield Wednesday & Ipswich.

If they are still “in form” after that lot then maybe, but Ipswich or Derby would be very tough in the playoffs, big clubs.

Not so much brave as an inevitability that we'll be heading again to Yorkshire to maintain the balance if the Blades are promoted and the Terriers relegated. 

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With McCrorie and Dickie in the building and Roberts looking likely it seems that Defence is sorted and some physicality and height added too.

So phase one ✅

I think the next phase is recruitment of a CM and this guy is my no1 choice if we still looking at Lg1 Gems.  The need for a Marvin Elliott type goes away slightly (we have Naismith don’t forget), so he’s my pick.  We need to find the long term successor for one or more of James, Williams and Naismith for varying reasons.  I’ve left King out of that equation, as his playing role will naturally diminish.

Knight can do a bit (lot!) of everything either as a “6” or an “8”.

Only 22, 150+ appearances for Derby and 17 Ireland caps.  And only a year left on his contract, due to contract trigger.  The right time to pounce imho.  Would fit Tinnion’s profile.

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I don’t see him playing as a no10, certainly not in the way Alex Scott way but I see him being creative from deeper, more like Josh Brownhill or like I think Alex will become  That’s who I see him being more like.

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Has actually filled it at RB this season, but that’s not best use of his abilities.

Will be interesting to see how phase two recruitment goes, there might be a lull after this early onslaught!

 

 

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40 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

With McCrorie and Dickie in the building and Roberts looking likely it seems that Defence is sorted and some physicality and height added too.

So phase one ✅

I think the next phase is recruitment of a CM and this guy is my no1 choice if we still looking at Lg1 Gems.  The need for a Marvin Elliott type goes away slightly (we have Naismith don’t forget), so he’s my pick.  We need to find the long term successor for one or more of James, Williams and Naismith for varying reasons.  I’ve left King out of that equation, as his playing role will naturally diminish.

Knight can do a bit (lot!) of everything either as a “6” or an “8”.

Only 22, 150+ appearances for Derby and 17 Ireland caps.  And only a year left on his contract, due to contract trigger.  The right time to pounce imho.  Would fit Tinnion’s profile.

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I don’t see him playing as a no10, certainly not in the way Alex Scott way but I see him being creative from deeper, more like Josh Brownhill or like I think Alex will become  That’s who I see him being more like.

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Has actually filled it at RB this season, but that’s not best use of his abilities.

Will be interesting to see how phase two recruitment goes, there might be a lull after this early onslaught!

Was he part of the ROI squad that trained at the HPC? Another potential selling point if we were interested along with Sykes already being here.

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5 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Was he part of the ROI squad that trained at the HPC? Another potential selling point if we were interested along with Sykes already being here.

He was there indeed, also made the squad for the qualifiers. If there's anything legit here we're probably waiting until internationals are over.

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53 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

With McCrorie and Dickie in the building and Roberts looking likely it seems that Defence is sorted and some physicality and height added too.

So phase one ✅

I think the next phase is recruitment of a CM and this guy is my no1 choice if we still looking at Lg1 Gems.  The need for a Marvin Elliott type goes away slightly (we have Naismith don’t forget), so he’s my pick.  We need to find the long term successor for one or more of James, Williams and Naismith for varying reasons.  I’ve left King out of that equation, as his playing role will naturally diminish.

Knight can do a bit (lot!) of everything either as a “6” or an “8”.

Only 22, 150+ appearances for Derby and 17 Ireland caps.  And only a year left on his contract, due to contract trigger.  The right time to pounce imho.  Would fit Tinnion’s profile.

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I don’t see him playing as a no10, certainly not in the way Alex Scott way but I see him being creative from deeper, more like Josh Brownhill or like I think Alex will become  That’s who I see him being more like.

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Has actually filled it at RB this season, but that’s not best use of his abilities.

Will be interesting to see how phase two recruitment goes, there might be a lull after this early onslaught!

 

 

Jason Knight would be great but is he not a bit out of our price range, as it stands?

Reckon this could be the sort of signing we might make if/when Scott leaves. 

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If/when Scott leaves, I would like to see two midfielders arrive. 

Knight would also be top of my list. 

One being a controller/battler and the second being a creator/10.

We need more goals from midfield. It’s the one minor concern I have going into the season. I feel we may over-rely on Conway as a source of goals. He’s a natural finisher, but it’s a big ask to put that much responsibility on him at this stage of his development. FWIW, I do believe he will get 15+ this season. 

Some of the funds received for Scott to be used on Knight, + a creator, and an additional source of goals. We would be in a fantastic place going into the season.


One name I would be tempted to try for would be Matt Crooks (Middlesbrough). He is so physical, and contributes with goals. His playing time has reduced since Carrick arrived due to their possession based style of play. I just wonder if he may become available as the window progresses.

 

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19 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said:

Jason Knight would be great but is he not a bit out of our price range, as it stands?

Reckon this could be the sort of signing we might make if/when Scott leaves. 

Not with just a year left on his contract…imho.

8 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

If/when Scott leaves, I would like to see two midfielders arrive. 

Knight would also be top of my list. 

One being a controller/battler and the second being a creator/10.

We need more goals from midfield. It’s the one minor concern I have going into the season. I feel we may over-rely on Conway as a source of goals. He’s a natural finisher, but it’s a big ask to put that much responsibility on him at this stage of his development. FWIW, I do believe he will get 15+ this season. 

Some of the funds received for Scott to be used on Knight, + a creator, and an additional source of goals. We would be in a fantastic place going into the season.


One name I would be tempted to try for would be Matt Crooks (Middlesbrough). He is so physical, and contributes with goals. His playing time has reduced since Carrick arrived due to their possession based style of play. I just wonder if he may become available as the window progresses.

 

I quite like Sonny Carey at Blackpool, got decent attributes, good technique.  He’s not Crooks like, but I reckon he’d be a good fit for us.  Drifts between the lines, gets shots off.

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47 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

One name I would be tempted to try for would be Matt Crooks (Middlesbrough). He is so physical, and contributes with goals. His playing time has reduced since Carrick arrived due to their possession based style of play. I just wonder if he may become available as the window progresses.

 

Was he not a Warnock signing? I wonder if he woukd be tempted with a move back to yorkshire with Huddersfield? I imagine he could be attracting interest from lots of clubs.

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10 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Not with just a year left on his contract…imho.

I quite like Sonny Carey at Blackpool, got decent attributes, good technique.  He’s not Crooks like, but I reckon he’d be a good fit for us.  Drifts between the lines, gets shots off.

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Similar to Dickie in that he had a very poor season individually with lots of criticism from his own fans. But there is a player in there

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15 minutes ago, TammyAB said:

Similar to Dickie in that he had a very poor season individually with lots of criticism from his own fans. But there is a player in there

At AG he had a quiet game but besides their 2 CBs (who kept us at bay) he was the best player from a creative side.  It was his first full season at this level too.  Sporadic involvement in 21/22 having been at Kings Lynn prior to that.  But he impressed me quite a bit in other games, and is a bit different physically to what we’ve got.

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Just the sort of player we should be trying to sign, no idea if he's on the radar of the club.

But there will be lots of competition in the Championship with some bigger clubs maybe interested and others able to pay a salary in excess of what we could offer. He must be valued at between 3m-5m I would think ? Could we go that far as it stands ?

I'd be very surprised if he were to come here and equally delighted.

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10 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Was he not a Warnock signing? I wonder if he woukd be tempted with a move back to yorkshire with Huddersfield? I imagine he could be attracting interest from lots of clubs.

Hmmm.

Preumably, you mean a move from North Yorkshire to West Yorkshire for the Leeds born midfielder ?.

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10 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Just the sort of player we should be trying to sign, no idea if he's on the radar of the club.

But there will be lots of competition in the Championship with some bigger clubs maybe interested and others able to pay a salary in excess of what we could offer. He must be valued at between 3m-5m I would think ? Could we go that far as it stands ?

I'd be very surprised if he were to come here and equally delighted.

Why be surprised that he would come here? As proved with the signings this week we seem to be an attractive proposition.

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2 minutes ago, cotswoldred2 said:

Why be surprised that he would come here? As proved with the signings this week we seem to be an attractive proposition.

I assume because of the fee he thinks he’d command. If the initial fee was lower around £2m (with add ins that took it to that range) and we gave a 4 year contract I think we could work it better with Amortisation (I’ve been trying to learn from @Davefevs lol)

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14 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Just the sort of player we should be trying to sign, no idea if he's on the radar of the club.

But there will be lots of competition in the Championship with some bigger clubs maybe interested and others able to pay a salary in excess of what we could offer. He must be valued at between 3m-5m I would think ? Could we go that far as it stands ?

I'd be very surprised if he were to come here and equally delighted.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/derby-countys-stance-on-jason-knight-exit-becomes-clearer-after-stephen-kenny-comments/
 

Don’t think we’d need to go that high.

Similar up-front fee as McCrorie, but lots of add-ons.  Player wants to move on.  Won’t be on huge wages from a contract initially signed in Jan 2020…although I’m sure it had rises in it.

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/derby-countys-stance-on-jason-knight-exit-becomes-clearer-after-stephen-kenny-comments/
 

Don’t think we’d need to go that high.

Similar up-front fee as McCrorie, but lots of add-ons.  Player wants to move on.  Won’t be on huge wages from a contract initially signed in Jan 2020…although I’m sure it had rises in it.

Hi Dave, looks like he is worth 4 million euros according to some web sites. That is just the start of a transfer. Agree what would the be add Ons be!

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11 minutes ago, City oz said:

Hi Dave, looks like he is worth 4 million euros according to some web sites. That is just the start of a transfer. Agree what would the be add Ons be!

Transfermarkt market value is a weird beast.  In current circumstances I don’t think we’d need to pay anything like the amount they suggest (which is a market value of a basket of players rather than a suggested value if that player).

Dickie €3m on TM…cost us £700k

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Transfermarkt market value is a weird beast.  In current circumstances I don’t think we’d need to pay anything like the amount they suggest (which is a market value of a basket of players rather than a suggested value if that player).

Dickie €3m on TM…cost us £700k

Its all about opinions, but I think there are huge differences between the transfer of Dickie, a player woefully out of form for QPR who was unhappy and wanted to leave and the situation of Knight. I don't think the transfermarkt value for Dickie's profile was realistic in the real world and QPR didn't put up much of a fight to keep him, but 700k (if that is what it was) was a proper steal on the face of it.

In comparison, Derby will be desperate to keep Knight to help them get out of L1 and I would think that there will be a lot of competition for a 22 year old with over 150 first team appearances, the majority in the Championship, and 17 international caps.

Transfermarkt value is 4m euros for players of his profile which seems realistic to me.

Any club that gets him for 2m has a real bargain imo - and I hope its us if so.

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37 minutes ago, bcfc01 said:

Its all about opinions, but I think there are huge differences between the transfer of Dickie, a player woefully out of form for QPR who was unhappy and wanted to leave and the situation of Knight. I don't think the transfermarkt value for Dickie's profile was realistic in the real world and QPR didn't put up much of a fight to keep him, but 700k (if that is what it was) was a proper steal on the face of it.

In comparison, Derby will be desperate to keep Knight to help them get out of L1 and I would think that there will be a lot of competition for a 22 year old with over 150 first team appearances, the majority in the Championship, and 17 international caps.

Transfermarkt value is 4m euros for players of his profile which seems realistic to me.

Any club that gets him for 2m has a real bargain imo - and I hope its us if so.

Yeah, I don’t disagree…just think a player rumoured to be looking to move on, Derby not going straight up, diminishes his value a bit.  It’s all guesswork on my behalf though!

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2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yeah, I don’t disagree…just think a player rumoured to be looking to move on, Derby not going straight up, diminishes his value a bit.  It’s all guesswork on my behalf though!

Those factors may weaken Derby's negotiating position also.

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My 12 year old son signed him in his career mode on Fifa and said he’s amazing! He’s been banging on about him so when I saw the name here it caught my attention. If his performances in fifa are anything to go by (of course they aren’t!) then he’d be a great signing! ?

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7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Transfermarkt market value is a weird beast.  In current circumstances I don’t think we’d need to pay anything like the amount they suggest (which is a market value of a basket of players rather than a suggested value if that player).

Dickie €3m on TM…cost us £700k

According to the BBC Rob Dickie signed on a free!

I don’t think he was OOC was he?

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2 hours ago, Hartleysbeard said:

My 12 year old son signed him in his career mode on Fifa and said he’s amazing! He’s been banging on about him so when I saw the name here it caught my attention. If his performances in fifa are anything to go by (of course they aren’t!) then he’d be a great signing! ?

Pretty sure that’s Brightons scouting model. They just simulate everything till 2030 and see which players are best.

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1 hour ago, BLRed said:

Are we in for this guy or is it just wishful thinking?

No idea….I purely posted Wednesday night that with the priority (imho) of defence sorted(ish) - Kalas decision to be made, that I think phase two begins.  And that is midfield.  Again imho.

On twitter I also posted a response to someone that Knight, Collins, Azaz and Carey were the four midfielders who I like.  I especially like Knight.  They all have different qualities, could fit in in different ways, just like I saw Bryan fitting in.  

That prompted a few more convos on here, e.g. he’s been at the HPC, his value, contract, etc…stuff from the Ireland manager comes out too from people digging around.

But who I want, who I think fits, etc is pretty much irrelevant, other than filling up OTIB.  It’s nice when a player signs who you’ve championed…even when it’s Cauley Woodrow!!!  But if we waited for the club to give us reason to debate players that are signing / might sign, this place would be very dull / empty.

Hence why I quite like the ITKers, whatever their level of ITK, because they post it’s something to get your teeth into.  Others on here seem to feel the opposite way about them.  But what floats my boat isn’t for everyone.

 

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1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Are we in for this guy or is it just wishful thinking?

According to one of our proven ITKs, he has actually signed already and is just waiting to be announced, smiling from the roof.

I'm terribly sorry, but I assumed @BLRed was referring to Haydon Roberts.

I have seen no mention whatsoever that JK has signed, nor, indeed, that City have shown any genuine interest in signing him - although I hope that changes.

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8 hours ago, Davefevs said:

No idea….I purely posted Wednesday night that with the priority (imho) of defence sorted(ish) - Kalas decision to be made, that I think phase two begins.  And that is midfield.  Again imho.

On twitter I also posted a response to someone that Knight, Collins, Azaz and Carey were the four midfielders who I like.  I especially like Knight.  They all have different qualities, could fit in in different ways, just like I saw Bryan fitting in.  

That prompted a few more convos on here, e.g. he’s been at the HPC, his value, contract, etc…stuff from the Ireland manager comes out too from people digging around.

But who I want, who I think fits, etc is pretty much irrelevant, other than filling up OTIB.  It’s nice when a player signs who you’ve championed…even when it’s Cauley Woodrow!!!  But if we waited for the club to give us reason to debate players that are signing / might sign, this place would be very dull / empty.

Hence why I quite like the ITKers, whatever their level of ITK, because they post it’s something to get your teeth into.  Others on here seem to feel the opposite way about them.  But what floats my boat isn’t for everyone.

 

On your list of favourite realistic midfielders, where do you stand on Anjorin? I know he's coming back from another really bad injury but, when fit, he looks the business at this level and like he has capacity to go higher. Really good build and high level ability. And surely not going to get a look in at the Chelsea Player Dumping Ground. Maybe plays slightly further forward than Scott, but, when the inevitable happens with Alex, I would think one to look at.

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2 hours ago, the1stknowle said:

On your list of favourite realistic midfielders, where do you stand on Anjorin? I know he's coming back from another really bad injury but, when fit, he looks the business at this level and like he has capacity to go higher. Really good build and high level ability. And surely not going to get a look in at the Chelsea Player Dumping Ground. Maybe plays slightly further forward than Scott, but, when the inevitable happens with Alex, I would think one to look at.

In terms of a simple answer - he isn’t on my list at all! ?

I’m aware of him from the start he made to last season and I spent a bit of time watching him the game at our place last season because of the threat he might’ve caused us that night because of the start he’d made.  I’ve got no idea how fit he is following his ankle injury I’m afraid.

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On 10/06/2023 at 11:55, George Rs said:

I’m annoyed at you @Davefevs, I’m excited about this guy now and we aren’t even in for him ?.

The club will be very aware of Knight having presumably done more than 1 scouting trip on Roberts. The good news is if we are in for a midfielder and it isn’t Knight, it’d likely be a good player regardless.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

There is not a chance they will sell a prized asset for £1.5m.

 Not a chance. IMO anyway, they even turned down bids when in administration.

Would be a hell of a signing at that price but I can't see that bid making any headway.

His contract runs out next year. 

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3 minutes ago, Loosey Boy said:

Probably take double that for them to at least consider it……

 

 

2 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

His contract runs out next year. 

This, and also they’re not exactly in a good state financially. One of his mates has just signed for us. Would’ve used the HPC with Ireland. Better league, bigger wages, League One now very hard to get out of. 
 

Would say we’re in a very comfy position. 

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Interesting one. We’re pretty heavy in central midfield (James, Williams, Scott, Naismith, King, McCrorie able to play there). I wonder if this is in anticipation of Scott leaving. Or maybe we intend for him to play in the 10? 
 

I know he’s highly rated, perhaps he’s simply viewed as an improvement on what we do have. Let’s see.

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5 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

His contract runs out next year. 

Aware of that but their financial problems have been resolved to some extent so I think they'll gamble on promotion with Knight being worry more than a sale for £1.5m or £2m.

@petehinton

Derby surprisingly maintained their Category One Academy and status despite it being a minimum of £5m per season and despite almost going bust so they can compete in this area.

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I expected rave reviews on their site after comments on here. But more reserved than I thought they’d be. One comment saying 2m might even be enough. 
 

I know next to nothing about him so can’t comment really. 

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