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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I quite like him. He’s pretty transparent, and I like that.

My daughter, who was born in Bristol to an English father and a Portuguese mother and has grown up in Portugal since she was 6, pronounced this until very recently as "trans parent", which always raised the odd chuckle. 

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@Davefevs if not Knight, do you think Twine could be a possible and good replacement should Scott move or is he the wrong area of the pitch? I feel twine is a 10 where we are wanting to play Scott but also has a wicked set piece in him. Can’t see him getting much game time at Burnley. Loan with View to buy?

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37 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I quite like him. He’s pretty transparent, and I like that.

Then you don’t know him very well. He could have changed but in the short few months I had the misfortune to work for him I saw many people broken and many customers left high and dry. 
Still,  nice honest bloke. 

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1 hour ago, Major Isewater said:

Then you don’t know him very well. He could have changed but in the short few months I had the misfortune to work for him I saw many people broken and many customers left high and dry. 
Still,  nice honest bloke. 

I don’t know him at all, I can only judge by what I see / read…and that’s all related to football, where I think he comes across fine.

What’s your context?

1 hour ago, BLRed said:

@Davefevs if not Knight, do you think Twine could be a possible and good replacement should Scott move or is he the wrong area of the pitch? I feel twine is a 10 where we are wanting to play Scott but also has a wicked set piece in him. Can’t see him getting much game time at Burnley. Loan with View to buy?

I’ve no idea what they may think of Twine. I’m not sure on the loan to buy under this regime.  Think they’d do their diligence (on any player) and want to buy outright if they felt the player was one they wanted.

As I’ve said before i don’t think we replace Alex like-for-like, he’s a one-off, so it’s about finding players that make us better as a team.  I kinda forget any money we get for Scott because I think we will be careful with funds.  So I’m still looking at the “Tinnion brief” really.

Some players I like beyond Knight:

  • Rudoni (ship sailed though, not a chance, but I still like him)
  • Carey (bit like Crooks)
  • Khadra (my loose cannon, but we have Mehmeti)
  • Chilvers (can he step-up)
  • Azaz (composed in the final third)

But Knight my no1.

I like the following as different midfield options, more James / Williams successors:

  • Collins (going to Rotherham)
  • Iroegbunam (if available to buy - unlikely)
  • Randall (signed an extension)

If I suddenly found we were gonna change tack and start spending £2m+ on a bunch, I’d have a different list.

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18 minutes ago, HoldenBall said:

All gone a bit quiet with this transfer. Thought ball would be rolling a bit more after Ipswich has gone in for Taylor. 

I think we're probably watching the situation but after Ipswich getting involved and Stoke joining the chase I wonder if we're potentially talking to other players. Also with Scott not yet getting a bid on him that matches valuation we may not need a midfielder in Pearson eyes, at least not one playing in the same situation. I guess it depends on Benarous, whether Mehmeti going to be given a chance in the middle, if Weimann is going to go back into that role behind the strikers etc. I'm not sure what Pearson has planned but he's obviously happy with the current squad as he's already made 3 good additions and hasn't yet lost anyone he didn't expect to. 

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23 minutes ago, HoldenBall said:

All gone a bit quiet with this transfer. Thought ball would be rolling a bit more after Ipswich has gone in for Taylor. 

The player went on his hols saying he had a decision to make about where he wanted to play next season. That was 5 minutes ago. He'll have at least 2 weeks off, so a little patience is required.  

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16 minutes ago, Spike said:

I think we're probably watching the situation but after Ipswich getting involved and Stoke joining the chase I wonder if we're potentially talking to other players. Also with Scott not yet getting a bid on him that matches valuation we may not need a midfielder in Pearson eyes, at least not one playing in the same situation. I guess it depends on Benarous, whether Mehmeti going to be given a chance in the middle, if Weimann is going to go back into that role behind the strikers etc. I'm not sure what Pearson has planned but he's obviously happy with the current squad as he's already made 3 good additions and hasn't yet lost anyone he didn't expect to. 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/nigel-pearson-alex-scott-bristol-8553642.amp

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On 28/06/2023 at 10:26, Spike said:

I think we're probably watching the situation but after Ipswich getting involved and Stoke joining the chase I wonder if we're potentially talking to other players. Also with Scott not yet getting a bid on him that matches valuation we may not need a midfielder in Pearson eyes, at least not one playing in the same situation. I guess it depends on Benarous, whether Mehmeti going to be given a chance in the middle, if Weimann is going to go back into that role behind the strikers etc. I'm not sure what Pearson has planned but he's obviously happy with the current squad as he's already made 3 good additions and hasn't yet lost anyone he didn't expect to. 

nige has been quoted as saying we will sign midfielders ‘to play with’ scott, not replace him, so that indicates that we’ll be looking to bring at least one in before the end of the window

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1 hour ago, jbcfc said:

nige has been quoted as saying we will sign midfielders ‘to play with’ scott, not replace him, so that indicates that we’ll be looking to bring at least one in before the end of the window

Out of interest when did he say this? 

I have a feeling apart from Knight thats us done in the transfer market 

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5 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

It’s Jordan Jones, it’s horseshit.

Pearson can’t come out & say he expects Scott to go, can he?

 

In fairness the article is pretty much copy and pasting James Piercy’s transcript, so the detail is accurate.

You’ll know I’ve talked a fair bit about long-term succession for James and Williams (and Naismith to a lesser extreme).  I’d earmarked Archie Collins, but he’s gone to Posh.  Shame.  So it was good to hear Nige talking like that too.

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39 minutes ago, phantom said:

Out of interest when did he say this? 

I have a feeling apart from Knight thats us done in the transfer market 

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/nigel-pearson-alex-scott-bristol-8553642

admittedly, the quote probably translates to “until someone offers us the asking price he will be a bristol city player”, but still.

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11 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

It’s Jordan Jones, it’s horseshit.

Pearson can’t come out & say he expects Scott to go, can he?

 

Quotes from Nigel:

I expect him to be here, and he’ll be here. That’s how I approach the situation.

This has been read by some as saying Alex is staying when he is just saying that he is planning on that assumption at present.

In that area we’ve got quite an ageing midfield and everybody seems keen to write Alex Scott off as being gone. If we sign somebody in that area, we’re not replacing Alex Scott.

So he wants a midfielder even if Alex stays and is again working on the assumption that he will. He is not saying that he definitely will.

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9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

In fairness the article is pretty much copy and pasting James Piercy’s transcript, so the detail is accurate.

You’ll know I’ve talked a fair bit about long-term succession for James and Williams (and Naismith to a lesser extreme).  I’d earmarked Archie Collins, but he’s gone to Posh.  Shame.  So it was good to hear Nige talking like that too.

Part of this is about freeing up HNM’s wages to spend as well.

We are still waiting to see what happens with 4 or 5 players but are presumably already working on the basis now that he & Kalas are both off.

I’d have liked Collins too but until the futures of a number are sorted, having decided to spend our available funds on defenders are a bit in limbo.

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4 hours ago, jbcfc said:

nige has been quoted as saying we will sign midfielders ‘to play with’ scott, not replace him, so that indicates that we’ll be looking to bring at least one in before the end of the window

Yeah but what he's said I take with a pinch of salt as he's got to think that Scott is currently our player and so when he's buying he's buying to play with Scott. If he were to say "I'm looking for replacements for Scott" when there is no deal in place to sell Scott and then one didn't happen it would not only be disrespectful to Scott but it would also make it look like he's planned for Scott to go.
I think Pearson wants Scott to stay, everyone does, but until the deal is confirmed he has to say he's looking for players to play with Scott rather than in place of him, it's just common sense .

I think Pearson has a plan if Scott stays but I also think he has a plan for if he goes, he knows full well that the latter is highly likely if a club meet the valuation and so right now he's buying players to play with Scott but if Scott goes the plans will simply change to the plan he has if Scott goes where those midfielders will form the midfielder and we may get one or two more in.

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4 hours ago, Spike said:

Yeah but what he's said I take with a pinch of salt as he's got to think that Scott is currently our player and so when he's buying he's buying to play with Scott. If he were to say "I'm looking for replacements for Scott" when there is no deal in place to sell Scott and then one didn't happen it would not only be disrespectful to Scott but it would also make it look like he's planned for Scott to go.
I think Pearson wants Scott to stay, everyone does, but until the deal is confirmed he has to say he's looking for players to play with Scott rather than in place of him, it's just common sense .

I think Pearson has a plan if Scott stays but I also think he has a plan for if he goes, he knows full well that the latter is highly likely if a club meet the valuation and so right now he's buying players to play with Scott but if Scott goes the plans will simply change to the plan he has if Scott goes where those midfielders will form the midfielder and we may get one or two more in.

City confirmed they have two transfer plans, one with Scott and one without,

We are currently working on the one where Scott stays

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1 hour ago, roddy-d said:

Callum Styles being linked as Scott replacement. I would be happy with that. 

I thought we were determined to sign bigger, brawnier players and up the physicality of our team, especially height wise.

Wiki has got Styles at 5ft 6", smaller than Dasilva.

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1 hour ago, roddy-d said:

Callum Styles being linked as Scott replacement. I would be happy with that. 

Assuming it's the Football League World piece that just says we could be interested. A suggestion not a rumour then.

It also says that Watford are trying to agree a fee with Barnsley and that Millwall would be interested but the release clause is too big.

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15 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I thought we were determined to sign bigger, brawnier players and up the physicality of our team, especially height wise.

Wiki has got Styles at 5ft 6", smaller than Dasilva.

I believe that was more at the back. You can’t have a team of 6ft 3ers absolutely everywhere who can also run/press for days….especially in a forward role…there aren’t that many around! 

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8 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Assuming it's the Football League World piece that just says we could be interested. A suggestion not a rumour then.

It also says that Watford are trying to agree a fee with Barnsley and that Millwall would be interested but the release clause is too big.

Just been discussing Styles with others on WhatsApp?

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I’m not sure what to make of him.

My stats not really helping me out either.

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Played all over for Millwall, more back up to Wallace (LB), and minutes in midfield or wide left.  You’d imagine Millwall getting Bryan has weakened their interest in Styles, and maybe this is an agent led piece from player or Barnsley?

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Need to spend a bit f time watching him, because he didn’t jump out for me last season when watching Millwall, and in the game against us, he came on as sub for last half hour as a defensive left sided midfield as we pressed for a winner.

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1 minute ago, Shockwave said:

What's happening with Knight?

Surely back from holiday break to make his mind up if future.

Have we moved on to different target ?

We havent had a bid accepted yet

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57 minutes ago, Shockwave said:

What's happening with Knight?

Surely back from holiday break to make his mind up if future.

Have we moved on to different target ?

Derby are just waiting for a £10m bid from Mark Ashton Ipswich!

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1 hour ago, petehinton said:

I believe that was more at the back. You can’t have a team of 6ft 3ers absolutely everywhere who can also run/press for days….especially in a forward role…there aren’t that many around! 

I agree it was probably mostly at the back but also a question of beefing up the whole team.

We always seem to be smaller than the opposition and that's been the case for years.

I don't mean players have to be 6ft 3" all over the pitch, just maybe look for players to be at least approaching average height if possible, even 5ft9/10" isn't exactly tall these days, and 5ft 6" really is exceptionally short for a pro footballer.

He'd surely be the smallest player on the pitch most weeks and that's a genuine drawback imo unless he's an exceptional fit in all other respects.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I agree it was probably mostly at the back but also a question of beefing up the whole team.

We always seem to be smaller than the opposition and that's been the case for years.

I don't mean players have to be 6ft 3" all over the pitch, just maybe look for players to be at least approaching average height if possible, even 5ft9/10" isn't exactly tall these days, and 5ft 6" really is exceptionally short for a pro footballer.

He'd surely be the smallest player on the pitch most weeks and that's a genuine drawback imo unless he's an exceptional fit in all other respects.

 

 

How tall is Messi?

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1 hour ago, Malago said:

How tall is Messi?

Taller than Styles at 5'7 and a damn sight more talented but this is the Knight thread ?

Edit: my mistake, we are having the Styles conversation in the Knight thread, not the one that was started for Styles. As you were ?

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10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

No, Elder is a LB, Nelson is a CB.

No idea if true, but there’s definitely logic to it.

I think @iamalagerdrinker is referring to the Joe Ward signing. 

The rumour was that Derby initially wanted Wilson, but didn’t want to pay the fee. They then signed Ward instead. 

Would make sense to test them by including Wilson in the deal.

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1 hour ago, Jacki said:

Latest rumour I’ve heard, and I have no idea whatsoever if there’s any truth in it, is that we’ve offered Derby £1.5m plus Kane Wilson for Knight. Will be an interesting one if true. 

Would be a good deal, hopefully true.

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Just now, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

If it were to happen what value is placed on Wilson, £300k?

Think the Bolton bid was said to be £200k, effectively covering what we paid as a result of the tribunal.

Certainly makes sense to see if Derby are interested, as obvious we are looking to move him on.

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7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Just been discussing Styles with others on WhatsApp?

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I’m not sure what to make of him.

My stats not really helping me out either.

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Played all over for Millwall, more back up to Wallace (LB), and minutes in midfield or wide left.  You’d imagine Millwall getting Bryan has weakened their interest in Styles, and maybe this is an agent led piece from player or Barnsley?

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Need to spend a bit f time watching him, because he didn’t jump out for me last season when watching Millwall, and in the game against us, he came on as sub for last half hour as a defensive left sided midfield as we pressed for a winner.

I like him & when I’ve seen him for Hungary he always seems to do ok, but the Millwall spell didn’t really work out for him & he’s certainly not a replacement for Scott or an obvious defensive midfielder.

He is mobile, covers a lot of ground & is busy but would see him as more of a squad player than a clear starter.

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10 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

I like him & when I’ve seen him for Hungary he always seems to do ok, but the Millwall spell didn’t really work out for him & he’s certainly not a replacement for Scott or an obvious defensive midfielder.

He is mobile, covers a lot of ground & is busy but would see him as more of a squad player than a clear starter.

Any chance the Styles stuff could go in the Styles thread, to stop me thinking something is happening with Knight?

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1 hour ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

I think @iamalagerdrinker is referring to the Joe Ward signing. 

The rumour was that Derby initially wanted Wilson, but didn’t want to pay the fee. They then signed Ward instead. 

Would make sense to test them by including Wilson in the deal.

Yeah, Joe Ward, has played a lot at RWB, I always think he’s wasted there and better on right side of MF.

59 minutes ago, Leveller said:

Any chance the Styles stuff could go in the Styles thread, to stop me thinking something is happening with Knight?

Mods, please can you move the various posts please.

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13 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

£2.5m has been my prediction magic number wise, maybe it'll be closer to but somewhere between £2-2.5m.

No way have we got that still left to spend unless Scott leaves.

We’ve already shelled out somewhere between £1.7m & £2.5m in this window & haven’t got a penny back in since January.

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1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

No way have we got that still left to spend unless Scott leaves.

We’ve already shelled out somewhere between £1.7m & £2.5m in this window & haven’t got a penny back in since January.

Agreed, I'm just thinking that'll be Derby's asking price.

What that means for our chances of getting him remains to be seen.

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4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Agreed, I'm just thinking that'll be Derby's asking price.

What that means for our chances of getting him remains to be seen.

Suppose once we know the compensation figure for HNM & also possibly sell Wilson that could change the picture?

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11 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Suppose once we know the compensation figure for HNM & also possibly sell Wilson that could change the picture?

It could.

I'm thinking we have £2-3m maybe to put in and keep us compliant with FFP. We'll see when the 2022-23 accounts out but bit may break down as.

£2m Knight- 4 year deal, used up £0.667m of that.

£12k per week wages, £0.624m of that.

£1.291m used up.

Leaving £0.709 to £1.709m to put baxk into the team before deparures.

We could add Wilson and Massengo to the pot as and when they arise.

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Just now, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well then, I suppose a key question is how far will, can we stretch too.

Seen a suggestion on Derby forum that he might command a wage of £20-25k per week from a relatively sensible poster. Would we stretch to that, could we especially if Scott stays.

He’s obviously not that sensible . 

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well then, I suppose a key question is how far will, can we stretch too.

Seen a suggestion on Derby forum that he might command a wage of £20-25k per week from a relatively sensible poster. Would we stretch to that, could we especially if Scott stays.

Absolutely no way we would pay that sort of wage. We have spent the last 2 years bringing down the wage bill and the differential between players and aren't going to go backwards on that.

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3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well then, I suppose a key question is how far will, can we stretch too.

Seen a suggestion on Derby forum that he might command a wage of £20-25k per week from a relatively sensible poster. Would we stretch to that, could we especially if Scott stays.

No, not anymore and I doubt he's on anywhere near that.

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5 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

He’s obviously not that sensible . 

Well by the standards of their forum maybe! ?

3 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Absolutely no way we would pay that sort of wage. We have spent the last 2 years bringing down the wage bill and the differential between players and aren't going to go backwards on that.

 

3 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

No, not anymore and I doubt he's on anywhere near that.

Agree with you all we wouldn't pay that. Perhaps they're stuck in the pre Covid transfer mindset but if those were his wishes then we can safely rule it out for now.

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3 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Absolutely no way we would pay that sort of wage. We have spent the last 2 years bringing down the wage bill and the differential between players and aren't going to go backwards on that.

10 to 12k with performance related bonuses or he can nob off 

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Won't be on anything near that. We wouldn't put another player on a 'Kalas' contract anymore. Especially with the heavy work in shifting multiple big earners already. Plus Nige has reiterated the need to balance out the wages on a few occasions. Guessing wages is somewhat pointless but I would imagine he's on 5k/8k a week currently with Derby. So maybe 8k/12k with us?

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1 minute ago, petehinton said:

Feel even more confident that this is going to be done after reading Warne’s comments 

Will depend on fee and wage demands.

Maybe off but will he fit our wage structure, other clubs can spend quite big. Ipswich who were interested, Stoke in theory have a fair amount of headroom.

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20 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well then, I suppose a key question is how far will, can we stretch too.

Seen a suggestion on Derby forum that he might command a wage of £20-25k per week from a relatively sensible poster. Would we stretch to that, could we especially if Scott stays.

No chance.

We wouldn’t have entertained with bids if this was the case…

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10 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

Won't be on anything near that. We wouldn't put another player on a 'Kalas' contract anymore. Especially with the heavy work in shifting multiple big earners already. Plus Nige has reiterated the need to balance out the wages on a few occasions. Guessing wages is somewhat pointless but I would imagine he's on 5k/8k a week currently with Derby. So maybe 8k/12k with us?

He came through during  the Mel Morris era so I'd be surprised if it's quite so low, at their peak they had a wage bill of £46m on a £30m turnover!! ? They didn't release accounts for several years after that so it's hard to say.

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22 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well then, I suppose a key question is how far will, can we stretch too.

Seen a suggestion on Derby forum that he might command a wage of £20-25k per week from a relatively sensible poster. Would we stretch to that, could we especially if Scott stays.

A sensible poster on the Derby forum. Do they not call that an Oxymoron. Almost the perfect word minus the Oxy over there. 
 

Or Perhaps I’m just over sensitive to being banned! :laugh:! 

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Just now, REDOXO said:

A sensible poster on the Derby forum. Do they not call that an Oxymoron. Almost the perfect word minus the Oxy over there. 
 

Or Perhaps I’m just over sensitive to being banned! :laugh:! 

Me and @Hxj were banned before we could even post! :laugh: However yeah I did think the poster formerly known as Unlucky Alf was relatively sensible on some points.

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