W-S-M Seagull Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 11 minutes ago, Red-Al said: He was told to by his solicitor, against his judgement Who's judgement do you trust more? A solicitor who is vastly experienced in their field, or your son who tried to headbutt a copper? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Red-Al said: so all you lot should be standing up for him instead of slagging him off, that's the true story So the story from your side is your son left the ground after the Man City match, was making his way to you who was waiting in the car, minding his own business, when the police descended on him and arrested him for swearing, despite not having had a warning of any kind previously. He then passed a breath test so was not drunk, not even over the drink drive limit. He was then accused of trying to headbutt a policewoman, but the bodycam evidence exonerates him. Despite this he was charged and taken to court. His first contact with a solicitor was an hour before entering the court, and said solicitor advised him to plead guilty. He was then obviously convicted on the back of this guilty plea. Your son is now claiming that he was incorrectly advised and is trying to get his conviction overturned via appeal. Please correct me if anything is incorrect there. If it is all totally correct, then of course we should be supporting him as it is an obvious miscarriage of justice, but somehow I'm just not buying it. Edited April 6, 2023 by richwwtk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Forgive me for intruding, but there is one thing I don’t really understand. You state that your son is appealing (and I’m sure he is to you - parents often have unconditional love for their children), but the ‘official’ reports indicate that he pleaded guilty! What exactly is he appealing against, and on what grounds? I’m just going to leave this here. The case was heard at Bristol Magistrates Court. Here’s the rules: https://www.gov.uk/appeal-magistrates-court-decision Crucially, if you plead guilty you can only appeal the sentence and not the verdict. So, whatever happens, we can be sure that the conviction will stand and he has a conviction of common assault against an emergency worker. On that basis, I’m still not sure what we’re supposed to be sticking up for! Edit: you can appeal a Magistrates Court decision to the Crown Court if you pled guilty. However that would mean this gent pled guilty to avoid going to Crown Court and then went to Crown Court to appeal the guilty verdict. Which is odd! Edited April 6, 2023 by Silvio Dante 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted April 6, 2023 Author Share Posted April 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, richwwtk said: So the story from your side is your son left the ground after the Man City match, was making his way to you who was waiting in the car, minding his own business, when the police descended on him and arrested him for swearing, despite not having had a warning of any kind previously. He then passed a breath test so was not drunk, not even over the drink drive limit. He was then accused of trying to headbutt a policewoman, but the bodycam evidence exonerates him. Despite this he was charged and taken to court. His first contact with a solicitor was an hour before entering the court, and said solicitor advised him to plead guilty. He was then obviously convicted on the back of this guilty plea. Your son is now claiming that he was incorrectly advised and is trying to get his conviction overturned via appeal. Please correct me if anything is incorrect there. If it is all totally correct, then of course we should be supporting him as it is an obvious miscarriage of justice, but somehow I'm just not buying it. Not asking you to buy it,that's howl it was, 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 12 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said: I’m just going to leave this here. The case was heard at Bristol Magistrates Court. Here’s the rules: https://www.gov.uk/appeal-magistrates-court-decision Crucially, if you plead guilty you can only appeal the sentence and not the verdict. So, whatever happens, we can be sure that the conviction will stand and he has a conviction of common assault against an emergency worker. On that basis, I’m still not sure what we’re supposed to be sticking up for! Exactly. I am aware of the grounds for appeal and, crucially, what cannot be appealed, hence my question to @Red-Al. Unless I have misunderstood his response, the young man is appealing something because his solicitor advised him to do so, against somebody’s judgement. It is established that he can’t appeal the verdict, only the sentence, but personally I think he has got off quite lightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 I actually feel sorry for them...how can you be that thick. Everyone gives someone a chance...but this is typical of society today. It's always someone's else's fault for your own actions. Discipline starts at home. Have a word with yourself if your son is behaving like a dick head and expecting people to back you. Start a thread complaining on an open forum ( which bit of that sounds like a good idea in the first place, typical of Kardashian society )..found guilty...now complaining about solicitors and not understanding...jeeez... Which bit of that makes you look like an innocent? Perhaps you need to grab your 33 year old son and tell him to get a life, grow up, stop behaving like a 12 year old, and making you look like a complete tool. Harsh...but true. Just because he and you support City...it doesn't mean fans will support you for being dick heads. This clown needs throwing under the bus. Too polite in our responses by far. 10 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted April 6, 2023 Author Share Posted April 6, 2023 1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said: Who's judgement do you trust more? A solicitor who is vastly experienced in their field, or your son who tried to headbutt a copper? No evidence in that, now your believing the police, video showed no attempt headbutt 32 minutes ago, spudski said: I actually feel sorry for them...how can you be that thick. Everyone gives someone a chance...but this is typical of society today. It's always someone's else's fault for your own actions. Discipline starts at home. Have a word with yourself if your son is behaving like a dick head and expecting people to back you. Start a thread complaining on an open forum ( which bit of that sounds like a good idea in the first place, typical of Kardashian society )..found guilty...now complaining about solicitors and not understanding...jeeez... Which bit of that makes you look like an innocent? Perhaps you need to grab your 33 year old son and tell him to get a life, grow up, stop behaving like a 12 year old, and making you look like a complete tool. Harsh...but true. Just because he and you support City...it doesn't mean fans will support you for being dick heads. This clown needs throwing under the bus. Too polite in our responses by far. Maybe you're te IDIOT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spudski Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 20 minutes ago, Red-Al said: No evidence in that, now your believing the police, video showed no attempt headbutt Maybe you're te IDIOT I rest my case with your response. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 I think this might be a case of a parent just believing what his son his telling him. His lying son 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Red-Al said: Not asking you to buy it,that's howl it was, But you were waiting in the car, how do you know how it was? Being it was a sell out crowd presumably there's literally hundreds of witnesses to back up your son? Edited April 6, 2023 by DaveF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 5 hours ago, Red-Al said: You are a solicitor, your questioning me like one,as far as I'm concerned nothing more to say whilst he's appealing, think what you like, like the police, How can he appeal if he pleaded guilty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 @Red-Al I don't know what your son did or didn't do, but I kind of don't like the pile on here on you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheddarwedlocker Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 In all respect @Red-Al mate not sure you whining on here about your son being done in for obviously doing more than just swearing once is gunna turn water into wine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 6, 2023 Share Posted April 6, 2023 5 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Exactly. I am aware of the grounds for appeal and, crucially, what cannot be appealed, hence my question to @Red-Al. Unless I have misunderstood his response, the young man is appealing something because his solicitor advised him to do so, against somebody’s judgement. It is established that he can’t appeal the verdict, only the sentence, but personally I think he has got off quite lightly. I think had he of attempted to headbutt an emergency worker away from football then the punishment would have been more severe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Free The Henbury One. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 I think we’re all missing the bigger picture here, how do you fail to head butt someone? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: @Red-Al I don't know what your son did or didn't do, but I kind of don't like the pile on here on you. He's brought it on himself with his posts RR. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colombo Robin Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 30 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: I think we’re all missing the bigger picture here, how do you fail to head butt someone? Haha. Was having the exact same thought myself. A swing and a miss of the noggin is a tricky one to picture. In my imagination the momentum either topples the guy over or he somehow headbutts himself in the gonads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnzFM Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 7 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: @Red-Al I don't know what your son did or didn't do, but I kind of don't like the pile on here on you. Tbf a lot of what’s been said by @Red-Al doesn’t really add up given the articles published Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodjias Wrist Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 minute ago, BarnzFM said: Tbf a lot of what’s been said by @Red-Al doesn’t really add up given the articles published Yeah but I also question the accuracies of articles like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted April 7, 2023 Author Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, And Its Smith said: I think this might be a case of a parent just believing what his son his telling him. His lying son And of course you know that, Edited April 7, 2023 by Red-Al Threatening behaviour 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Red-Al said: And of course you know that, let's see how big you are face to face , I was thinking maybe @Red-Robbo was right and you were maybe not deserving of the reaction you were getting, but then you started offering people out.... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Fordy62 said: I think we’re all missing the bigger picture here, how do you fail to head butt someone? I suppose if you’re suitably refreshed you may have double vision and choose to nut the ‘wrong’ head? If that’s not the case then it becomes one of life’s mysteries like how the hell did that bloke from East 17 manage to run himself over with his own car? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted April 7, 2023 Author Share Posted April 7, 2023 42 minutes ago, richwwtk said: I was thinking maybe @Red-Robbo was right and you were maybe not deserving of the reaction you were getting, but then you started offering people out.... That was a mistake, too old for that, k 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 3 hours ago, Redandproud said: That was a mistake, too old for that, k Leave that to your son, ey? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 6 hours ago, Colombo Robin said: Haha. Was having the exact same thought myself. A swing and a miss of the noggin is a tricky one to picture. In my imagination the momentum either topples the guy over or he somehow headbutts himself in the gonads Yeahhhhh headbutting one self in the gonads is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Roe said: Leave that to your son, ey? Depends if And Its Smith is female and in uniform. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 7, 2023 Admin Share Posted April 7, 2023 I'm intrigued why the solicitor was only met an hour before? Was he originally going to defend himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBristolian Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 41 minutes ago, phantom said: I'm intrigued why the solicitor was only met an hour before? Was he originally going to defend himself? From what I've read, that's nowhere near as unusual in a magistrate's court as it should be. I think the duty solicitor turns up in the morning and gets a handed a load of cases with barely any time to read through them in detail. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wellspokenman Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 23 hours ago, Redandproud said: Ok let's get our facts right here, he pleaded not guilty to assault on a police officer which was proved with video cam, did not headbutt her, pleaded not guilty for being drunk and disorderly, passed a breath test, went to court but his solicitor who he only met 1hr before the court case, advised him to plead guilty on all offences , otherwise it would go to crown court,he's appealing the charges,that's what I mean that the BL went overboard with the charges on consent of the police, so all you lot should be standing up for him instead of slagging him off, that's the true story, but BL only published the story given to them by the police, I think your spelling is incorrect too. When you say that your Son is appealing, I think you meant you Son was appalling… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted April 7, 2023 Author Share Posted April 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Wellspokenman said: I think your spelling is incorrect too. When you say that your Son is appealing, I think you meant you Son was appalling… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyClapper Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 6 minutes ago, Redandproud said: A new alias? If you’ve changed it to get away from the negative comments you’ve attracted on this thread it’s obvious where your son gets his brains from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OlneyRed Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 If he is appealing at Crown Court is there a chance that the sentence could be increased if dismissed. Don’t know if what he originally got is the maximum for the offences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 12 hours ago, Fordy62 said: I think we’re all missing the bigger picture here, how do you fail to head butt someone? According to our friends from Whorefield it's quite easy. You just have to be on the other side of a bus window. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 12 minutes ago, Steve Watts said: According to our friends from Whorefield it's quite easy. You just have to be on the other side of a bus window. I think some of the comments on here are pretty poor tbh , nobody knows what happened apart from the accused & the copper / coppers , we all think we are right sometimes even when we’re not and we all know how incidents at football with fans are massively exaggerated by the police . So I think it’s best we all keep our council on this tbf to all 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 hours ago, HappyClapper said: A new alias? If you’ve changed it to get away from the negative comments you’ve attracted on this thread it’s obvious where your son gets his brains from. Witness Protection I’d reckon. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenred Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 21 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: @Red-Al I don't know what your son did or didn't do, but I kind of don't like the pile on here on you. Just reading through this thread now and glad it’s not just me that has come to this conclusion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Watts Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 5 hours ago, redkev said: I think some of the comments on here are pretty poor tbh , nobody knows what happened apart from the accused & the copper / coppers , we all think we are right sometimes even when we’re not and we all know how incidents at football with fans are massively exaggerated by the police . So I think it’s best we all keep our council on this tbf to all Ummmm....ok.....? Of all the comments I'm not sure why you chose mine to quote?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 5 hours ago, lenred said: Just reading through this thread now and glad it’s not just me that has come to this conclusion. I think reading through this thread, it's quite clear it's a case of like father like son. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redkev Posted April 8, 2023 Share Posted April 8, 2023 7 hours ago, Steve Watts said: Ummmm....ok.....? Of all the comments I'm not sure why you chose mine to quote?!? No conspiracy Steve just tagged onto the last comment , should of perhaps just created my own , like I said no conspiracy against you or anybody else just my opinion on a delicate subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redandproud Posted April 8, 2023 Author Share Posted April 8, 2023 13 hours ago, lenred said: Just reading through this thread now and glad it’s not just me that has come to this conclusion. I was instructed by administration to change my username, by some people on here have nothing better to do than make it a search of my ID, any father is going to stand by his son, and what his son said is true, but the reaction on here is unbelievable, being cross questioned by some on here , this I the last thing I've got to say on this subject, as some comments have been well out of order towards myself and my son, 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin phantom Posted April 8, 2023 Admin Share Posted April 8, 2023 I think this thread has run it's course now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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