TonyTonyTony Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: However the part about playing king over Atkinson I did understand . Not in a playing sense but in a mentality sense . Some think he threw him under the bus but I didn’t see it like that . It was a kick up the ass . I think Pearson himself said Rob is very laid back . The combination of the woeful performance, an atmosphere that was terrible (acknowledged by Pearson after the game) and the harsh treatment of Atkinson definitely made a lot of fans turn. Amazing how quickly people forget. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 16 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: The combination of the woeful performance, an atmosphere that was terrible (acknowledged by Pearson after the game) and the harsh treatment of Atkinson definitely made a lot of fans turn. Amazing how quickly people forget. When you say a lot of fans . That’s not strictly true is it . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roe Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 hour ago, harvey54 said: I think our general aim this season was to consolidate and try to avoid a relegation battle. I don't think many fans have genuine play off aspirations. Fwiw I'd give him a 3 year extension immediately. First proper manager we've had for decades I don't think that was the aim at all really. At the start of the season Richard Gould was talking about us having a top 6 budget and we were signing Luton's best player Pearson himself says he doesn't see the need for these talks right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said: When you say a lot of fans . That’s not strictly true is it . Well I didn’t count then admittedly but from where I was sat there was a lot of negativity to Pearson. My opinion is as valid as yours 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hunt-Hertz Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 On 03/03/2023 at 10:50, Galley is our king said: Don't fanny about too long please, get NP extension done!! They'll have to interview him first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 I wouldn't renew his contract yet. Most of his time here has been awful. I need to see a sustained improvement and if today is anything to go by 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 29 minutes ago, BS3_RED said: I wouldn't renew his contract yet. Most of his time here has been awful. I need to see a sustained improvement and if today is anything to go by What do you mean awful,no money and comfortable keeping us up is a bloody good job 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: Here we go.... What, someone has a different opinion. You know that allowed. 7 minutes ago, joe jordans teeth said: What do you mean awful,no money and comfortable keeping us up is a bloody good job The football itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe jordans teeth Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, BS3_RED said: What, someone has a different opinion. You know that allowed. The football itself. Are you a fan who wants to be entertained or win football matches because if it’s the former you ain’t at the right club and haven’t been since Cott days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, BS3_RED said: The football itself. Don't think it's that bad, been quite variable in that regard IMO plus big mitigating circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Roe said: I don't think that was the aim at all really. At the start of the season Richard Gould was talking about us having a top 6 budget and we were signing Luton's best player Pearson himself says he doesn't see the need for these talks right now Nobody has ever said we have a top 6 budget, nor have we a top 6 budget. He did say we can pay top 10 wages for the right player (we won’t pay it for every player). That is also different to having a top 10 budget. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 4 hours ago, harvey54 said: I think our general aim this season was to consolidate and try to avoid a relegation battle. I don't think many fans have genuine play off aspirations. Fwiw I'd give him a 3 year extension immediately. First proper manager we've had for decades I don't get what a "proper" manager is? Genuine question: define "proper". What part of Cotts winning the double was not "proper"? Was Gary Johnson also somehow not "proper" when getting promotion and then to the Championship play off final? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, Percy Pig said: I've had this argument many times and I really can't be bothered to have it again. What I will say is that formation and style are not even remotely related. You can play gegenpress in a 352 and a 433, you can play long ball, tiki-taka etc etc. Our style has not changed. Gegenpressing is associated with 4-3-3. Numerically two cannot press the ball with as much intensity as a three in a unit. 4-3-3 also keeps players in closer proximity to counter press. Formation and style there are related. Edited March 4, 2023 by Cowshed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 1 hour ago, BS3_RED said: What, someone has a different opinion. You know that allowed. The football itself. On your metric of the football itself, he’s building an exciting and pacy dynamic team, that is playing some very tidy football, even going toe to toe with City for 70 mins, arguably they’ve been playing some really good stuff, if they’d have scored in the 1st 20 mins today with the chances they created, then I think that’s 3 pts to us, and you wouldn’t be posting guff like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 4, 2023 Share Posted March 4, 2023 (edited) 7 hours ago, Cowshed said: Gegenpressing is associated with 4-3-3. Numerically two cannot press the ball with as much intensity as a three in a unit. 4-3-3 also keeps players in closer proximity to counter press. Formation and style there are related. Spot on. Think 4-3-3 ia a very modern, suitable setup. Not the be all and end all and there were good performances albeit unsuccessful results or good results with questionable performances with a back 3. However totally agree on the pressing point, I also believe and have argued this on here periodically in recent years that 4-3-3 is better for possession football therefore the possession and press combo ajd that with players such as recently Massengo, before him Nagy, arguably would have helped Pack, Smith and Brownhill to be even better...Walsh had he been fit is another. Hegeler probably would have suited a 3, Henriksen too- closer proximity, tighter unit- probably better for possession in a 3 than a 2 abd by a 3 I mean 3 true CMs, not say 2 CMs and one of Paterson/Weimann, let alone Palmer or O'Dowda. Edited March 4, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowshed Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 21 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Spot on. Think 4-3-3 ia a very modern, suitable setup. Not the be all and end all and there were good performances albeit unsuccessful results or good results with questionable performances with a back 3. However totally agree on the pressing point, I also believe and have argued this on here periodically in recent years that 4-3-3 is better for possession football therefore the possession and press combo ajd that with players such as recently Massengo, before him Nagy, arguably would have helped Pack, Smith and Brownhill to be even better...Walsh had he been fit is another. Hegeler probably would have suited a 3, Henriksen too- closer proximity, tighter unit- probably better for possession in a 3 than a 2 abd by a 3 I mean 3 true CMs, not say 2 CMs and one of Paterson/Weimann, let alone Palmer or O'Dowda. Its geometrical. 4-3-3 can be used to cover more of the pitch using width and depth, which creates greater passing angles to maintain possession versus other formations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Mr P - 433 isn’t a modern formation. I grew up playing 433 in age group football in the early 80s. In fact some of my “influence / bias” re 433 stems from that. One isolated CF, because two wide forwards hugged their wings is a pet hate. It’s why I liked the lop-sided manifestation with Semenyo. There are of course modern variations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 2 hours ago, Davefevs said: Mr P - 433 isn’t a modern formation. I grew up playing 433 in age group football in the early 80s. In fact some of my “influence / bias” re 433 stems from that. One isolated CF, because two wide forwards hugged their wings is a pet hate. It’s why I liked the lop-sided manifestation with Semenyo. There are of course modern variations. I suppose I haven't worded it so well Dave. Of course 4-3-3 has existed for years. Suppose my point/view on this is that it is the best suited to rhe modern game- the press, the relative compactness and the extra margin for error in possession when you have 3 as opposed to 2 in CM. Semenyo was a great one for us in this- he cut in and out. Yeah a forward getting too isolated is a risk too...that support is definitely needed, not sure that we are quite getting the balance right though a fit Atkinson and Naismith will improve us in terms of ball carrying and possession- Naismith unlike our other CMs possibly most naturally can drop back into a back 3 too. Helpful in-game. 4 hours ago, Cowshed said: Its geometrical. 4-3-3 can be used to cover more of the pitch using width and depth, which creates greater passing angles to maintain possession versus other formations. Agreed on this- but supplemental I don't think 2 in CM or 2 with an attacking mid necessarily suited those CMs in a lot of cases either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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