Harry Cornick

[Son of Fred]

18 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

They're not seeing anything, though. Because he's not as bad as people are making out and hasn't been as bad as people are making out. The trouble is, the vast majority of our fanbase know the square root of **** all about football. Pretty generalised and rude comment, I appreciate, but it's an opinion I hold that is based on the myriad of evidence I have experienced on many platforms and at the Gate. 

Even here, you are attempting a reasoned/reasonable post and compare a player who's played less than 400 minutes of football for us to a dog. A dog FFS. The other hypothetical quotes that you've conjured up are all a combination of conjecture and hyperbole. He clearly can control a ball, he's done alright in his two starts in increasingly difficult circumstances for the team

You ask what the solution is and cite the opposition do to our players as evidence that they will receive similar abuse? So what? You think as SUPPORTERS (Just read that word a back a couple of times, maybe have a quick gander through a dictionary, I dunno) we should not act differently to opposition fans re: our own? That's absolutely farcical logic.  There is a very obvious solution, we support the ******* players, no questions asked. Because that's our job for crying out loud. 

If I came to your place of work a matter of weeks after you joined a new organisation and started commenting below every report you submitted, every meeting you chaired, every shelf that you stacked that you were no better than a dog I promise you that you'd crumble. You can pretend you're some super hard man with thicker skin than a silverback Gorilla but the truth is negative feedback and a toxic work environment will never, ever produce better results. To persist with abusing, belittling and dismissing a player of obvious and proven pedigree at this level is to openly declare that you do not give a flying shit about the fortunes of either Harry Cornick or Bristol City. 

He isn't Lionel Messi, no. But what he is is our player, moving to a new city with his children likely remaining half the country away whilst in school, with a run of injuries and a totally new system and teammates to gel with. Just get off the ******* blokes back and give him a bit of leeway. What do we lose by leaving the negativity at the door? Genuine question? What do you lose? Arguably the better question is what do you gain and the answer to that is nothing, nothing at all other than negatively contributing to the club you profess to love.

 

(A lot of the you's in this are "the royal you", by the way, before this get's needlessly personal)

Percy, your being hard on US here ...

 

21 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

'could we have done with a forward player who offers something different, like a physical threat?'

I know Percy,, I'm attributing someone else's words to yourself,although I believe not a million miles away to your own train of thought -  pain in the arse this darn internet!

[firstdivision]

1 hour ago, Percy Pig said:

They're not seeing anything, though. Because he's not as bad as people are making out and hasn't been as bad as people are making out. The trouble is, the vast majority of our fanbase know the square root of **** all about football. Pretty generalised and rude comment, I appreciate, but it's an opinion I hold that is based on the myriad of evidence I have experienced on many platforms and at the Gate. 

Even here, you are attempting a reasoned/reasonable post and compare a player who's played less than 400 minutes of football for us to a dog. A dog FFS. The other hypothetical quotes that you've conjured up are all a combination of conjecture and hyperbole. He clearly can control a ball, he's done alright in his two starts in increasingly difficult circumstances for the team

You ask what the solution is and cite the opposition do to our players as evidence that they will receive similar abuse? So what? You think as SUPPORTERS (Just read that word a back a couple of times, maybe have a quick gander through a dictionary, I dunno) we should not act differently to opposition fans re: our own? That's absolutely farcical logic.  There is a very obvious solution, we support the ******* players, no questions asked. Because that's our job for crying out loud. 

If I came to your place of work a matter of weeks after you joined a new organisation and started commenting below every report you submitted, every meeting you chaired, every shelf that you stacked that you were no better than a dog I promise you that you'd crumble. You can pretend you're some super hard man with thicker skin than a silverback Gorilla but the truth is negative feedback and a toxic work environment will never, ever produce better results. To persist with abusing, belittling and dismissing a player of obvious and proven pedigree at this level is to openly declare that you do not give a flying shit about the fortunes of either Harry Cornick or Bristol City. 

He isn't Lionel Messi, no. But what he is is our player, moving to a new city with his children likely remaining half the country away whilst in school, with a run of injuries and a totally new system and teammates to gel with. Just get off the ******* blokes back and give him a bit of leeway. What do we lose by leaving the negativity at the door? Genuine question? What do you lose? Arguably the better question is what do you gain and the answer to that is nothing, nothing at all other than negatively contributing to the club you profess to love.

 

(A lot of the you's in this are "the royal you", by the way, before this get's needlessly personal)

I really like my dog. 

[cidered abroad]

5 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I can't think who… Tom Ritchie who was mentioned before was a bit before my time. I can't remember what Martin Woolford was like either.

Fammy was a bit gangly I suppose 

Woolford arrived with a decent reputation but was, and I hate to say it, was a complete failure at City. A forward who, IMO, ranked with the Brian Mitchell and others as disasters.

Edited March 16, 2023 by cidered abroad

[redsocks]

We seem to sign 1 player every season who turns out to be awful,this season it's harry.lets hope he improves.because up to now he's been shite.can see why Luton were happy to sell him.again wells gets pulled off after 60 mins and leaves harry on.

[REDOXO]

Not sure about Cornick yet, however Paul Cheesley was written off (abused) by supporters until he scored a screaming header weeks after his transfer from Norwich. 
 

We will see whether Mr Pearson was right in due course. 

Edited March 16, 2023 by REDOXO

[Major Isewater]

6 hours ago, exAtyeoMax said:

I can't remember what Martin Woolford was like either.

I’ve tried to forget.

[Cityboy1954]

7 hours ago, spudski said:

He doesn't look fit to me. The opportunity he had yesterday to equalise towards the end of the game...summed up what he has done most weeks with us. 

Unbalanced, flat footed, tired, no confidence. Such a weak strike. 

Fingers crossed he improves. 

 

 

Cant get any worse weak as a kitten 

[big dosser]

9 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

Tom Ritchie ?

reminds me of steve claridge without the goals but hopefully they will come

[The Swan and Cemetery]

7 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

Just get off the ******* blokes back and give him a bit of leeway.

It’s the snide little attempts at humour (would suggest OTIB correspondents don’t book a full season at the Edinburgh Fringe hoping to scoop a Perrier award) about our own player that really grate. No probs  commenting on what he needs to improve, but he wasn’t close to being the worst yesterday and was decent at the weekend. Whenever we play poorly, the only thing worse is the nonsense spouted on here (that said, in fairness, Twitter aficionados and Radio Bristol callers are even worse, but OTIB sets a pretty difficult standard, meaning they have to be overcome by a weird mania to be even more appalling). 

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

It’s the snide little attempts at humour (would suggest OTIB correspondents don’t book a full season at the Edinburgh Fringe hoping to scoop a Perrier award) about our own player that really grate. No probs  commenting on what he needs to improve, but he wasn’t close to being the worst yesterday and was decent at the weekend. Whenever we play poorly, the only thing worse is the nonsense spouted on here (that said, in fairness, Twitter aficionados and Radio Bristol callers are even worse, but OTIB sets a pretty difficult standard, meaning they have to be overcome by a weird mania to be even more appalling). 

The 3rd caller (“Alan”) on radio bristol last night was awful.  He was right to say we were poor as his opening gambit, but everything that came afterwards was lacking in both fact and understanding of the club’s position from multiple angles, e.g. finances, recruitment, playing style, etc.  I bet Gary Owers was glad he’d already left and didn’t have to respond / interject.

[aa_bcfc]

7 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The 3rd caller (“Alan”) on radio bristol last night was awful.  He was right to say we were poor as his opening gambit, but everything that came afterwards was lacking in both fact and understanding of the club’s position from multiple angles, e.g. finances, recruitment, playing style, etc.  I bet Gary Owers was glad he’d already left and didn’t have to respond / interject.

Although I was at the Luton game and am called Allan I’d like to confirm that I wasn’t the Alan who made the call.

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, aa_bcfc said:

Although I was at the Luton game and am called Allan I’d like to confirm that I wasn’t the Alan who made the call.

Hahaha….guilty by name association!

[The Dolman Pragmatist]

19 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

They're not seeing anything, though. Because he's not as bad as people are making out and hasn't been as bad as people are making out. The trouble is, the vast majority of our fanbase know the square root of **** all about football. Pretty generalised and rude comment, I appreciate, but it's an opinion I hold that is based on the myriad of evidence I have experienced on many platforms and at the Gate. 

Even here, you are attempting a reasoned/reasonable post and compare a player who's played less than 400 minutes of football for us to a dog. A dog FFS. The other hypothetical quotes that you've conjured up are all a combination of conjecture and hyperbole. He clearly can control a ball, he's done alright in his two starts in increasingly difficult circumstances for the team

You ask what the solution is and cite the opposition do to our players as evidence that they will receive similar abuse? So what? You think as SUPPORTERS (Just read that word a back a couple of times, maybe have a quick gander through a dictionary, I dunno) we should not act differently to opposition fans re: our own? That's absolutely farcical logic.  There is a very obvious solution, we support the ******* players, no questions asked. Because that's our job for crying out loud. 

If I came to your place of work a matter of weeks after you joined a new organisation and started commenting below every report you submitted, every meeting you chaired, every shelf that you stacked that you were no better than a dog I promise you that you'd crumble. You can pretend you're some super hard man with thicker skin than a silverback Gorilla but the truth is negative feedback and a toxic work environment will never, ever produce better results. To persist with abusing, belittling and dismissing a player of obvious and proven pedigree at this level is to openly declare that you do not give a flying shit about the fortunes of either Harry Cornick or Bristol City. 

He isn't Lionel Messi, no. But what he is is our player, moving to a new city with his children likely remaining half the country away whilst in school, with a run of injuries and a totally new system and teammates to gel with. Just get off the ******* blokes back and give him a bit of leeway. What do we lose by leaving the negativity at the door? Genuine question? What do you lose? Arguably the better question is what do you gain and the answer to that is nothing, nothing at all other than negatively contributing to the club you profess to love.

 

(A lot of the you's in this are "the royal you", by the way, before this get's needlessly personal)

Sorry, but this is absurd.  If football fans can’t come on to a fans forum and post opinions about a player then what’s the point of having a forum?  I don’t remember any posts like this when fans noticed that Lois Diony was total dog mess after less than 90 minutes.

I’m sure we all hope that Cornick is a success, but I’m not surprised that people are not overwhelmed by his performances so far.

[firstdivision]

1 hour ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

Sorry, but this is absurd.  If football fans can’t come on to a fans forum and post opinions about a player then what’s the point of having a forum?  I don’t remember any posts like this when fans noticed that Lois Diony was total dog mess after less than 90 minutes.

I’m sure we all hope that Cornick is a success, but I’m not surprised that people are not overwhelmed by his performances so far.

You’re living up to your forum name with that post, DP. It’s absolutely not right for people to abuse HC. But it’s perfectly understandable that people are watching on and thinking, ‘Mmm, hold on a minute. What have we here?’

My main observation about HC is more about why we bought him. I'm not sure we needed him. Also, his signing would seem to preclude the signing of the type of striker we do need - someone with some height and physical presence for those different sort of afternoons in the Championship where we have to bomb the box a bit. We have so many forward players that it's not obvious we'll go for another in the summer.

I’m very much looking forward, though, to HC banging in a couple at the Vetch (old money, I know) on Sunday. 

 

Edited March 17, 2023 by firstdivision

[Ivorguy]

I still trust Tinnion’s and NP’s judgment.  Be patient and give the chap time to adjust to our systems

Edited March 17, 2023 by Ivorguy

[exAtyeoMax]

If he’s carrying an injury or not fully fit would it not be better to say?

poor chap getting lots of grief… it took a while for the club to admit that Kane Wilson was injured at the beginning of the season, he was getting pelters from some

[Son of Fred]

52 minutes ago, firstdivision said:

My main observation about HC is more about why we bought him. I'm not sure we needed him. Also, his signing would seem to preclude the signing of the type of striker we do need - someone with some height and physical presence for those different sort of afternoons in the Championship where we have to bomb the box a bit. We have so many forward players that it's not obvious we'll go for another in the summer.

This ...

Nail on the head...

Absolutely my thoughts too.

Edited March 17, 2023 by Son of Fred

[firstdivision]

1 hour ago, Percy Pig said:

99% of the posts regarding Cornick are not opinions worth posting. They are just snide attacks that offer nothing of value to any debate. He's been compared to a dog, weak as a kitten just on this page of this thread for gods sake.

The focus is always on outcome, never any nuance or understanding of "why". No leeway, no room to grow. Just click on any teamsheet post on Instagram or Twitter and read the comments re: Cornick. It's sick in the head stuff. Abuse after 400 minutes in a team absolutely littered with injuries coming off a season where he himself has been injured. 

Got no issue with reasonable criticism. He hasn't set the world on fire. But he also hasn't been "shit". He's been average or slightly below average. So far. Because of a whole bunch of reasons.

And you don't think people have form for coming up with a nonsensical position and sticking to it no matter what happens? Really? 

 

Did you know, Percy, that some pros refer to players as ‘dogs’, as in ‘he’s a dog in midfield’? Meaning, he runs around a lot, gives you no peace, always at your heels. It’s not a term of abuse. Thought you’d like to know. But please rant on. It’s your absolute right to call most of our support either ‘dweebs’ or know nothings. 

Edited March 17, 2023 by firstdivision

[maxjak]

23 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

99% of the posts regarding Cornick are not opinions worth posting. They are just snide attacks that offer nothing of value to any debate. He's been compared to a dog, weak as a kitten just on this page of this thread for gods sake.

The focus is always on outcome, never any nuance or understanding of "why". No leeway, no room to grow. Just click on any teamsheet post on Instagram or Twitter and read the comments re: Cornick. It's sick in the head stuff. Abuse after 400 minutes in a team absolutely littered with injuries coming off a season where he himself has been injured. 

Got no issue with reasonable criticism. He hasn't set the world on fire. But he also hasn't been "shit". He's been average or slightly below average. So far. Because of a whole bunch of reasons.

And you don't think people have form for coming up with a nonsensical position and sticking to it no matter what happens? Really? 

 

He was purchased for a knock down price, but is unlikely to be a long term solution to our forward line issues.....but once fully fit and intergrated into the squad, he will probably prove to be a handy addition to our numbers?  Tinnion must have seen something in him to have recommended his signing?   i can also see why he has been getting negative reviews, as he looks off the pace, unfit and lacking flair.  City fans all understand that we need to recruit a physically strong unit to hold up the ball and provide runners with service, and Connick does appear to be NOT that player, but we just all need to be patient and wait for the summer recruitment.  I see Connick as a bit of a low price gamble, who if he does not cut it will be moved on for a small loss......I for one really hope he makes a breakthrough, and surprises all the doubters?

Edited March 18, 2023 by maxjak

[Red-Robbo]

3 minutes ago, maxjak said:

He was purchased for a knock down price, but is unlikely to be a long term solution to our forward line issues.....but once fully fit and intergrated into the squad, he will probably prove to be a handy addition to our numbers?  Tinnion must have seen something in him to have recommended his signing?   i can also see why he has been getting negative reviews, as he looks off the pace, unfit and lacking flair.  City fans all understand that we need to recruit a physically strong unit to hold up the ball and provide runners with service, and Connick does appear to be NOT that player, but we just all need to be patient and wait for the summer recruitment.  I see Connick as a bit of a low price gamble, who if he does not cut it will be moved on for a small loss......I for one really hope he makes a breakthrough, and surprises all the doubters?

 

I have no problem with waiting a bit longer to assess, but when there are other options available, I wouldn't be starting him or even bringing him on as a sub at present. 

[Kolsch]

I think it’s harsh the criticism the lad has had. He’s just moved to us mid way through the season, just thrown in and the effort is there.

Let’s judge him after a run of games and a pre season behind his back. I trust our recruitment these days so there is clearly a player there.

[PFree]

The injury he is carrying clearly isn’t helping him..!

 

[Gazred]

I think what Mehmeti brings is more instantly deliverable and obvious than Cornick.

Once he settles in and finds a more defined role in the side he'll be fine. He's got all the attributes to fit into our style of play nicely.

He'll look a lot better after a pre season I reckon.

[Kolsch]

Just now, Gazred said:

I think what Mehmeti brings is more instantly deliverable and obvious than Cornick.

Once he settles in and finds a more defined role in the side he'll be fine. He's got all the attributes to fit into our style of play nicely.

He'll look a lot better after a pre season I reckon.

Agreed. With Mehmeti, his ability and confidence is clear to see so he naturally will make a more instant impact.

Harrys been thrown in but there’s a player in there so it’ll come.

[Red-Robbo]

10 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

Surely a run of dead rubber fixtures like we have remaining is the perfect period to integrate him with no pressure or expectation? 

Not technically dead rubbers yet and what are we trying to prove by playing an out-of-form and potentially unfit striker?

Pearson has spoken of trying to win as many of the remaining games. That means playing your best XI.  He's had 320 minutes plus playing for us now and looks our worst senior player. 

I'd rest him, let him recover fitness and sharpness and maybe give him a run-out at the very death of the season. 

[Gimme Shelton]

1 hour ago, Percy Pig said:

That's a fair opinion, although I don't agree he's looked our worst senior player. 

 

Thought he worked hard and showed some good things against Blackpool in an unfamiliar position 

[Red-Robbo]

8 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

That's a fair opinion, although I don't agree he's looked our worst senior player. 

 

 

Thanks. Just out of interest who do you think has shown less?

(Disclaimer: due to work commitments , I haven't seen any of the Luton match, even highlights, but I understand he was rather more involved there than usual)

[Swede]

I never like to be critical of players. None of us really knows what goes on behind the scenes. As someone else has pointed out,  in his first interview he came across as maybe lacking a little self belief. He's just moved to a new city and is maybe one of those players who finds the adjustment harder to make.

It's symptomatic of this keyboard day and age where we feel entitled as fans to give a throwaway quip. "He's crap this he's bad that. The reality is that there's a player in there.

The good news for us is that if anyone can coach a tune out of him then I have every confidence it will be Nige and his coaching team.

 

[Son of Fred]

We all seem to be going around in circles with this...

We needed(and still do)a big,physical pacy handful of a number 9.

Harry doesn't bring/add anything that we already have.

He is looking to me like a "club in the bag" type signing,which is something we are (supposedly) moving away from.

He is now in the squad,on the payroll & as some have suggested, possibly now blocking the arrival of the player to add what we clearly need.

Whether Harry improves or not doesn't alter the question of did we really need to be invested in him.

 

[Swede]

3 hours ago, Son of Fred said:

We all seem to be going around in circles with this...

We needed(and still do)a big,physical pacy handful of a number 9.

Harry doesn't bring/add anything that we already have.

He is looking to me like a "club in the bag" type signing,which is something we are (supposedly) moving away from.

He is now in the squad,on the payroll & as some have suggested, possibly now blocking the arrival of the player to add what we clearly need.

Whether Harry improves or not doesn't alter the question of did we really need to be invested in him.

 

He's a different type of player to the pacey handful No.9 you refer to yet he's been judged (unfairly in my opinion) on that comparison.

I think it's all about timing but I think it's too early to consider your "clubs in the bag" comment. We got money for Semenyo and were able to quickly identify and negotiate for two incoming players. Maybe if there was time and the funds available then we may have been able to find that pacey handful No.9 but I think there's quite a few teams higher up the pecking order who would also like that type of player and with it the price goes up.

[PHILINFRANCE]

3 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

 

Wells has been off it pretty much since we lost Antoine. Other than his penalties he's been "as bad" (not bad at all, just not performing brilliantly) as Cornick. 

 

Drifting away slightly from the main subject, but has NW’s apparent drop in form been due to Antoine’s departure or Tommy Conway’s injury?

[Davefevs]

5 minutes ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Drifting away slightly from the main subject, but has NW’s apparent drop in form been due to Antoine’s departure or Tommy Conway’s injury?

Bit of both…needs someone a bit closer to him.  The nuances of football, pairings etc

[Hxj]

5 hours ago, Son of Fred said:

We needed(and still do)a big,physical pacy handful of a number 9.

I'm intrigued, who would you say was the last one of these we had?

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 minute ago, Hxj said:

I'm intrigued, who would you say was the last one of these we had?

Benik Afobe?

[W-S-M Seagull]

On 16/03/2023 at 09:06, Jeez said:

I think the scapegoat definition is doing some heavy lifting in this thread.

Most would reasonably expect an experienced Championship forward to be able to come in and adapt quicker than an academy prospect which is why you pay a fee &/or offer bigger wages, especially with a Jan transfer. Otherwise why not give another of the kids 10 games to see what they can give.

Think it’s ok to agree it’s been a disappointing signing so far, but I’m sure to a man we all are rooting for him to find his place in the group and succeed for City.

A young player has been with the club for years so it's probably easier for a young player to adapt quicker. 

Cornick has moved to a new club and a new City. Sometimes it just takes a person a while to settle.

[Curr Avon]

Good luck to Harry Cornick today. My frustration is that he played so well for Luton last season and hasn't replicated any of that sharpness to date. I think that's mainly due to the hamstring problems that Harry suffered the start of this campaign, but hope he's a great success at AG.

Message ends.

Mark T

[robinforlife2]

Reminds me of a love child of Andy Smith (that Northern Ireland striker we signed...) and Bas Savage. Looks okay off the ball, but awful on it. 

[grifty]

We're playing him in the wrong position. He is not a target man, or an Andi Weimann type player. He's a technical player who would be most suited to the role Scott plays.

[E.G.Red]

18 minutes ago, grifty said:

We're playing him in the wrong position. He is not a target man, or an Andi Weimann type player. He's a technical player who would be most suited to the role Scott plays.

Maybe that's the intention when Scott goes

[Son of Fred]

9 minutes ago, E.G.Red said:

Maybe that's the intention when Scott goes

Gawd elp us

[Northern Red]

10 minutes ago, Son of Fred said:

Gawd elp us

Do you not rate him? You've not said...

[CityCiderEd]

2 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Drifting away slightly from the main subject, but has NW’s apparent drop in form been due to Antoine’s departure or Tommy Conway’s injury?

Both. 

[Port Said Red]

2 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

Drifting away slightly from the main subject, but has NW’s apparent drop in form been due to Antoine’s departure or Tommy Conway’s injury?

I think Bell plays much wider than Conway and hasn't the physical attributes of a Semenyo, so I think he finds it harder to play with less support than he was getting. Having said that he adapted his playing style before and could probably do it again.

[richyy66]

The quicker Conway gets back the better. Wells Conway Sykes is the best we have played all season. Form dropped off since the injury of Conway.

[wendyredredrobin]

Looks like we sold a diamond and bought a lemon.

[redrob]

15 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Thanks. Just out of interest who do you think has shown less?

(Disclaimer: due to work commitments , I haven't seen any of the Luton match, even highlights, but I understand he was rather more involved there than usual)

I was at the Luton game. He was absolutely awful. Ran around a bit (pretty slowly and with little to no acceleration), was 5 yards off of everything and was blowing out his arse after 20 mins. 

He was trying I can blame a lack of effort so fair play to him on that front but either we've been sold a dud or he is wildly unfit. 

Two Luton fans I spoke to after the game reckon he's been a dud for a couple of seasons and couldn't believe we took him off their hands for money. 

[maxjak]

Pearson did state that he would not sign players just for the sake of it.  And saw no point in signing players who were not any better than what what we already had in our squad?  So the jury is out regarding Cornick, and i do sincerely hope that he eventually does prove better than what we already have?.................or at least AS good...Ha!

Edited March 19, 2023 by maxjak

[petehinton]

54 minutes ago, redrob said:

I was at the Luton game. He was absolutely awful. Ran around a bit (pretty slowly and with little to no acceleration), was 5 yards off of everything and was blowing out his arse after 20 mins. 

He was trying I can blame a lack of effort so fair play to him on that front but either we've been sold a dud or he is wildly unfit. 

Two Luton fans I spoke to after the game reckon he's been a dud for a couple of seasons and couldn't believe we took him off their hands for money. 

A dud last season hitting 16 goals and assists. Blimey 

[aa_bcfc]

1 hour ago, redrob said:

I was at the Luton game. He was absolutely awful. Ran around a bit (pretty slowly and with little to no acceleration), was 5 yards off of everything and was blowing out his arse after 20 mins. 

He was trying I can blame a lack of effort so fair play to him on that front but either we've been sold a dud or he is wildly unfit. 

Two Luton fans I spoke to after the game reckon he's been a dud for a couple of seasons and couldn't believe we took him off their hands for money. 

I too was at the Luton game. I spoke to 3 separate groups of Luton fans before the game. Was at least a dozen people and none of them had anything negative to say about Cornick. There’s no doubt about it though he’s been, on the whole, poor for us. I can’t see what he brings to the team at the moment. I certainly hope that changes and will be happy to be proven wrong. 

[redrob]

7 minutes ago, aa_bcfc said:

I too was at the Luton game. I spoke to 3 separate groups of Luton fans before the game. Was at least a dozen people and none of them had anything negative to say about Cornick. There’s no doubt about it though he’s been, on the whole, poor for us. I can’t see what he brings to the team at the moment. I certainly hope that changes and will be happy to be proven wrong. 

I'll be happy if he proves people wrong for sure. I also struggle to see what he brings to the team and can't help but think he is a stop gap where we needed a body to fill the slot vacated by Semenyo until we have a chance to get the player we really want. 

[cidercity1987]

1 hour ago, richyy66 said:

The quicker Conway gets back the better. Wells Conway Sykes is the best we have played all season. Form dropped off since the injury of Conway.

Wells Conway Sykes have never played in a front three together

[redsquirrel]

cornick needs a goal or two to boost his confidence.  once they come im hoping we see a different player

[mozo]

Given where we are with this season, I'm happy to play Cornick in the front man role for the rest of our games. 

If that's what he was brought in for, let's get him up to speed with it and see what he's capable of.

Also, I'm slightly concerned with the level of expectation that we're putting on Conway. He's being spoken about as though he'll come straight back in and score goals. 

We need to remember that Conway is still a young lad learning Championship football, and he himself had a relative goal drought this season. 

[GrahamC]

6 minutes ago, mozo said:

Given where we are with this season, I'm happy to play Cornick in the front man role for the rest of our games. 

If that's what he was brought in for, let's get him up to speed with it and see what he's capable of.

Also, I'm slightly concerned with the level of expectation that we're putting on Conway. He's being spoken about as though he'll come straight back in and score goals. 

We need to remember that Conway is still a young lad learning Championship football, and he himself had a relative goal drought this season. 

That’s fair.

Also worth pointing out Wells is going through a serious goal drought himself, aside from his back to back penalties, (not dismissing those by the way, both were excellent & had to be scored) he’s only netted once in his last 19 games.

You could argue we don’t create as many chances as we did when we had Semenyo’s pace & strength, but if you do so then you have to say that’s the same side Cornick is trying to make an impression in.

Conway is definitely our jewel in the crown but as the season is going to fizzle out in terms of relegation/playoffs this is a great time for him to return without real pressure.

Edited March 20, 2023 by GrahamC

[mozo]

10 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

That’s fair.

Also worth pointing out Wells is going through a serious goal drought himself, aside from his back to back penalties, (not dismissing those by the way, both were excellent & had to be scored) he’s only netted once in his last 19 games.

You could argue we don’t create as many chances as we did when we had Semenyo’s pace & strength, but if you do so then you have to say that’s the same side Cornick is trying to make an impression in.

Conway is definitely our jewel in the crown but as the season is going to fizzle out in terms of relegation/playoffs this is a great time for him to return without real pressure.

It stands to reason that creation of chances must be the problem. What else could explain the current goalscoring stats of Bell, Wells, Cornick, Weimann and even Mehmeti and Sykes to an extent?

And ironically these players themselves are part of the problem as they're not collaborating effectively in the final third. Whether that is tactical, execution, or a bit of both I don't really know.

[mozo]

Also on the topic of goalscoring, we're back to looking weak on attacking set pieces again. Winning corners doesn't fill me with hope at the moment and free kicks aren't much better.

Losing Atkinson hasn't helped as he was our biggest threat in the air. 

[GrahamC]

52 minutes ago, mozo said:

It stands to reason that creation of chances must be the problem. What else could explain the current goalscoring stats of Bell, Wells, Cornick, Weimann and even Mehmeti and Sykes to an extent?

And ironically these players themselves are part of the problem as they're not collaborating effectively in the final third. Whether that is tactical, execution, or a bit of both I don't really know.

Think so, for all the stick Martin got on here, the WSM partnership really worked as all 3 had complementary skill sets plus the absence of Naismith in midfield hasn’t helped, either.

James is a very good player but isn’t going to carve a side open with his passing & we can expect to lose Scott this summer so the addition of someone who makes a goal contribution from midfield as well as provides his creativity will be key.

[Davefevs]

56 minutes ago, mozo said:

It stands to reason that creation of chances must be the problem. What else could explain the current goalscoring stats of Bell, Wells, Cornick, Weimann and even Mehmeti and Sykes to an extent?

And ironically these players themselves are part of the problem as they're not collaborating effectively in the final third. Whether that is tactical, execution, or a bit of both I don't really know.

Supply is also a factor.  Naismith, whether he plays at the back or in midfield is pretty key to get the ball forward, but importantly, through the middle of the pitch, and even more importantly, quickly.  Without him, we tend to have to go through wide options.

Add in Pring playing CB that’s another avenue lost to create…and some of Pring’s freedom comes from Atkinson, either through Big Rob bringing the ball forward, or teams stopping him, allowing Pring more time and space.

Lots of little knock-on effects.

I’ll say it again, whilst formation has some say, it is not the be all and end all.  It’s players.  And we are missing some key ones.  A month or two back, the formation change was the angle to attack “stubborn Nige”.  How do you square that circle now we’ve lost three out of our last five???

[Henry]

I think all our strikers look better in a 2.

Whilst the 443 has looked okay, I don’t think we’ve been as effective upfront since changing

[mozo]

55 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I’ll say it again, whilst formation has some say, it is not the be all and end all.  It’s players.  And we are missing some key ones.  A month or two back, the formation change was the angle to attack “stubborn Nige”.  How do you square that circle now we’ve lost three out of our last five???

Just on this bit buddy, the call for a formation change in my opinion was also perfectly valid and the fact that I kept hearing players referencing the formation change as a positive makes me think it was one element of our change of form.

Playing King in a three was in my opinion a worse idea than switching to a back four. And even if you disagree, I think both our arguments are perfectly reasonable.

[Northern Red]

Don't think it's any coincidence that our attacking has dropped off since Naismith has been out. Same thing happened when he was injured prior to World Cup.

[Charlie BCFC]

4 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Don't think it's any coincidence that our attacking has dropped off since Naismith has been out. Same thing happened when he was injured prior to World Cup.

Completely agree, even when Williams was in midfield we got by but creating chances in open play was a huge problem. As much as I think King can do a job, giving him 4 starts in 14 games is a huge ask

[Bris Red]

Its still too early to truly pass judgement on Cornick IMO. He still looks way off the pace fitness wise, no two players are the same and it can take others longer to get up to speed.

The bottom line is even if Cornick doesn’t ultimately reach the levels that are required and turns out to be a bad signing at least financially it has been of low risk. He was signed for what 3-400k l reportedly? And he won’t be on wages of anything more than 6-7k a week IMO. 
 

Not every signing is going to work out and IMO the vast majority of Pearson’s have been good so far on a shoe string budget. I think we have to look at this signing for what it is, a low risk punt that may or may not work out.

Edited March 20, 2023 by Bris Red

[1960maaan]

I've not been impressed so far. Looking at reports it made sense, high intensity hard worker. Never had a great goals record, so signed as support or 2nd striker ? I think he may be trying too hard, some of his pressing has looked directionless, but keen. He will obviously need to learn our triggers and plans, when we come back from the break will will hopefully see what we have bought. This 2 weeks will give time for recovery, time for injured to come back and time to work on the training pitch instead of Play - recover - play - recover . 
It has felt to me like Nige is playing Cornick and Bell to give them chance to play themselves into the team. You know what you get from Nahki and you know he's professional enough not to kick up a fuss. From April 1st we will see how good he can be, so Hurry up Harry.

[Spike]

20 hours ago, richyy66 said:

The quicker Conway gets back the better. Wells Conway Sykes is the best we have played all season. Form dropped off since the injury of Conway.

Conway in the middle, Mehmeti on the left and Sykes on the right is what I want to see, Conway is much better running alongside players to get into scoring positions, with those two either side of him I think we'd look very dangerous but I still maintain our biggest issue is that when Mehmeti gets the ball in a dangerous wide position and cuts inside we don't have a midfielder looking to be on the edge of the box for a simple lay off pass so Mehmeti either feels forced to try to shoot or to go back wide, he's really dangerous out wide, he just needs that player to support him when the chance isn't opening up, I think Conway would offer him more in that situation. 

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, mozo said:

Just on this bit buddy, the call for a formation change in my opinion was also perfectly valid and the fact that I kept hearing players referencing the formation change as a positive makes me think it was one element of our change of form.

Playing King in a three was in my opinion a worse idea than switching to a back four. And even if you disagree, I think both our arguments are perfectly reasonable.

Yes, and I think Nige would prefer it too…he just didn’t think he had the players (and the mentality of some) to do it earlier.

Imho, the growth of Vyner, the psychology with Atkinson…meant they didn’t need Naismith or King “babysitting” them.

We saw the return of both Naismith and James after the WC break too, plus Antoine finding form following injury and sporadic appearances.  It all fed into the melting pot to improve us.  Plus shows that certain players are very important whatever formation we play.

I wasn’t challenging your opinion and saying it’s wrong at all, just that some think putting blobs onto a pitch in a given formation is all-defining.  And some also seem to forget how well we played early season in a different formation.  I just prefer to look at other reasons…

[Super]

Some of the comments are ridiculous. Yes clearly we haven't seen the best of him but lets not write him off yet.

[Red-Robbo]

4 hours ago, mozo said:

Given where we are with this season, I'm happy to play Cornick in the front man role for the rest of our games. 

 

I'd rather we tried to win them.

The Luton result was forgivable; Swansea wasn't. When our starting line-up play so badly, we give ourselves a mountain to climb and I can't blame the subs for coming on to a generally blah atmosphere. 

390 minutes roughly now for us and Cornick's never had anything better than an occasional decent pass and one shot on target where he should have scored (or squared it). While I'd agree that others have also had poor games recently, they've also had some very good games since January. Cornick has just been mediocre throughout. Never terrible, but never that good either.

Even with Conway injured, we aren't short of attacking options, so I'd rather Cornick was dropped and spent the next three months getting his fitness back, perhaps popping up in U23 games for competitive practise - that motivated Wells when he was similarly out-of-form. Then let's see how he looks in the close season.

We're trying to sell season tickets here in a difficult economic climate for everyone.  A run of uninspiring games and maybe a poor 18th place finish or whatever is hardly going to win over the waverers. 

The abuse that HC comes in for on social media is ridiculous, but I think there's no way he should be starting games for us. For now. 

 

 

[Riaz]

Havent been impressed so far - but i'm reserving judgement until he has had a pre season with us and given a run in the side.

[Steve Watts]

I'm bemused a little by the comments of "he needs a pre-season to get fit etc".  He's had a pre-season with Luton, who looked extremely fit and energetic against us, so he's already been in that environment and started only a third of Luton's league games before signing for us. That tells a story in itself.  He's managed 1 goal and 3 assists in 20 matches.  He does look unfit, but you have to ask why he's become unfit when he's been in an environment where his teammates seemed perfectly equipped for the Championship. 

I don't like writing off players too soon, but I don't think it's unfair to say he has a lot to do to win fans over.