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Booing your own players is obviously really dumb, unless we're talking extreme examples, which this clearly isn't.

Whilst I haven't criticised him myself, I would still defend the right for fans to come on OTIB and say that they think he looks rubbish. That's what forums are for; say what you see.

It's very tempting to think that he'll end up a back up player next season, but he'll just need a good pre-season to kick-start his City career and who knows.

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Whilst Cornick hasn't torn up any trees so far so for us, he certainly hasn't been terrible and you can see he is trying.

A new signing trying to fit into a side that has been struggling for the bulk of the season not having a huge impact straight away is expected.

Fans booing that player without understanding the.above context is also standard. Welcome to the entitled 'want everything now' world we now live in. So very sad isn't it?

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I'm not excusing booing, but it's clear from stuff I've seen on FB and elsewhere that some fans didn't understand why Tommy C was being rested after an hour and were annoyed that he was being taken off. Perhaps this sub-stratum of fans falls into the 'morons' category, Mr Hankey was talking about, or maybe they are just part-timers who haven't been paying much attention. 

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4 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

I'm not excusing booing, but it's clear from stuff I've seen on FB and elsewhere that some fans didn't understand why Tommy C was being rested after an hour and were annoyed that he was being taken off. Perhaps this sub-stratum of fans falls into the 'morons' category, Mr Hankey was talking about, or maybe they are just part-timers who haven't been paying much attention. 

Or just too much cider

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26 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

I'm not excusing booing, but it's clear from stuff I've seen on FB and elsewhere that some fans didn't understand why Tommy C was being rested after an hour and were annoyed that he was being taken off. Perhaps this sub-stratum of fans falls into the 'morons' category, Mr Hankey was talking about, or maybe they are just part-timers who haven't been paying much attention. 

But surely it would be fairly obvious that Conway wouldn't be playing 90 minutes given that he's been out for 3 months?

That's nothing to do with not paying attention.

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9 hours ago, The Gasbuster said:

Others have said he played well yesterday, but I am with you, I thought he was dreadful yesterday.

Out of interest, what did he do / not do (yesterday) for you to reach that viewpoint?

I didn’t think he was anything other than average / 6 out of 10.  Worked hard, linked up the play, offered a physical presence.

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56 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

but it's clear from stuff I've seen on FB and elsewhere that some fans didn't understand why Tommy C was being rested after an hour and were annoyed that he was being taken off.

That perhaps epitomises “their” lack of football intelligence, apologies if comes across as rude about our fellow fans.

You didn’t need to hear Nige’s pre-k/o interview on BBCRB or the RTV channel or be a brain surgeon / rocket scientist to use one brain cell to deduce a player coming back from a lengthy hamstring injury on a heavy pitch might only get an hour.

In fact pre-k/o Nige was suggesting it might only be 45 mins.

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Football fans in booing shocker. I’m not quite sure what people think sometimes. 
 

As a club we don’t boo our own players anywhere near as much as at some other clubs. My lord try Millwall when things are not going their way. 

As the last 43 years testifies we are a patient bunch and on occasion too patient. 
 

I often point out the shit the Cheese took before he walked on water, which is where Connick is now. I’m certain he will come good and has shown one or two signs of it.
 

Nigel Pearson has earned himself another free hit of a run in and is blooding a load, mainly out of necessity, this augurs well for the players the club and supporters, but it will take its toll on fit senior pros. Connick is no exception. 
 

As a club we are not too far off being competitive at the top end and as we will have money to spend in the not to distant future I’m hopeful we will be challenging the top next season with a mixture of youth and a small influx of new players

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4 hours ago, Northern Red said:

But surely it would be fairly obvious that Conway wouldn't be playing 90 minutes given that he's been out for 3 months?

That's nothing to do with not paying attention.

 

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

That perhaps epitomises “their” lack of football intelligence, apologies if comes across as rude about our fellow fans.

You didn’t need to hear Nige’s pre-k/o interview on BBCRB or the RTV channel or be a brain surgeon / rocket scientist to use one brain cell to deduce a player coming back from a lengthy hamstring injury on a heavy pitch might only get an hour.

In fact pre-k/o Nige was suggesting it might only be 45 mins.

 

Well, quite. 

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17 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Maybe there are more idiots in the SS?  :laughcont:

But, to tackle your points: You think Kent and Diony were booed before they started playing?  They didn't work out here, for different reasons, and even Stevie Wonder could see that, but my memory was more of fan frustration than mass booing. And clubs and managers do not base their decisions on players on crowd reaction. Do you think Pearson would ever think to himself "I cannot play Cornick. There are about 20 people who'll boo him and someone might be unfair on Twitter." No, he is his own man and he makes his own mind up on whether a player should get game time.

Re: the club. I've travelled the world and all over the UK and where I find a fellow fan, I talk to them about football.  I've never encountered any negative impression of Bristol City or its fans. Some fans of more successful clubs, usually plastic fans, will say stuff like "why do you wanna support them?" or "poor you", but that's just the bantz you expect from the glory hunting fraternity. The reaction is pretty good and many recount pleasant visits to Ashton Gate and Bristol in general.

Football forums are a different box of cheese, and you'll always find someone with an axe to grind willing to sound off. Just look at me on the Plymouth thread! :rofl2br:What you write on them, doesn't necessarily reflect what you think in the flesh - and I know a couple of good guys who support Argyle.  Hell, I have Gas-supporting friends, if it comes to that. 

As for booing their own players, I've lived outside Bristol since childhood and in many different places and have stood on the home terraces and heard Wimbledon, Chelsea, Spurs, Perugia, Southampton and Philadelphia Union fans boo their own players. You may recall the negative reaction from Reading fans to their double substitution yesterday.  It happens. It happens everywhere.

FWIW I agree with those that say it's unhelpful to the individual and the team, and also that it's too early to pass judgement on Cornick. If you condensed all his subs appearances together with the two starts, he has played less than 5 games with us. 

Ultimately, players' own performances are the only thing that will win over the doubters. If Cornick continues to play as he did yesterday, the boos- such that they were - will be silenced.

 

I've learnt that it's probably best to give a player more than 3 games before calling him awful.

Fans ability to see what the manager sees in a particular player is often questionable- the boos which greeted Flint coupled with cheers when he was subbed preceded the emergence of ,imho, one of the greatest defenders to play for City.

The spleen venting disappointment of the highly unpopular signing of Wilbrahim was again somewhat premature . Harry Cornick has been pretty unspectacular so far but in a somewhat counter intuitive way- that may be a good thing. The NP/BT axis of signing players is fairly good considering the restraints they work under so I doubt they bought a dud.

As for booing in general- I've never done it to any BC player or manager . The red line for me is when fans boo one of our own like some did to Joe Low- that really was moronic.

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2 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

I've learnt that it's probably best to give a player more than 3 games before calling him awful.

Fans ability to see what the manager sees in a particular player is often questionable- the boos which greeted Flint coupled with cheers when he was subbed preceded the emergence of ,imho, one of the greatest defenders to play for City.

The spleen venting disappointment of the highly unpopular signing of Wilbrahim was again somewhat premature . Harry Cornick has been pretty unspectacular so far but in a somewhat counter intuitive way- that may be a good thing. The NP/BT axis of signing players is fairly good considering the restraints they work under so I doubt they bought a dud.

As for booing in general- I've never done it to any BC player or manager . The red line for me is when fans boo one of our own like some did to Joe Low- that really was moronic.

My take on it is, when fans boo'd Low and Sam Bell at right back, its not the player they are booing per se, just the fact that that player shouldnt be in that position at that particular time, and are actually booing the management. Same with the Cornick substitution, more booing Conway being replaced than HC coming on.

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3 minutes ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

My take on it is, when fans boo'd Low and Sam Bell at right back, its not the player they are booing per se, just the fact that that player shouldnt be in that position at that particular time, and are actually booing the management. Same with the Cornick substitution, more booing Conway being replaced than HC coming on.

Conway was always going to only play 60 minutes. I think this thread should be binned in fairness to Harry. It is one of the most puzzling I've ever come across on OTIB.

 

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17 hours ago, Northern Red said:

But surely it would be fairly obvious that Conway wouldn't be playing 90 minutes given that he's been out for 3 months?

That's nothing to do with not paying attention.

Only if you’re not really stupid.

There used to be a bloke sat a few rows behind me in the Dolman who kept shouting “forward” every time we defended a set piece.

Not “keep your shape” or “press the ball” but he simply wanted everyone to run out as if it was cubs football.

I got so fed up with it I turned around & said “listen to Arsene Wenger” the last time, it could be coincidence but he doesn’t sit there anymore.

There are some absolute ******* idiots, mind.

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46 minutes ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

My take on it is, when fans boo'd Low and Sam Bell at right back, its not the player they are booing per se, just the fact that that player shouldnt be in that position at that particular time, and are actually booing the management. Same with the Cornick substitution, more booing Conway being replaced than HC coming on.

My take on that view is I really doubt Nigel Pearson really gives a flying **** what they think but the recipients, be that Sam Bell, Josh Low or indeed Cornick, do.

They’re morons.

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3 hours ago, GrahamC said:

My take on that view is I really doubt Nigel Pearson really gives a flying **** what they think but the recipients, be that Sam Bell, Josh Low or indeed Cornick, do.

They’re morons.

Not sure Josh Low, the ex Gas player would care, but Joe Low might.

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8 hours ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

My take on it is, when fans boo'd Low and Sam Bell at right back, its not the player they are booing per se, just the fact that that player shouldnt be in that position at that particular time, and are actually booing the management. Same with the Cornick substitution, more booing Conway being replaced than HC coming on.

My take is different.

We have a really impressive academy - long in the making and producing good players. They are City and some are the future of our club. The "I will boo" contingent for whatever their reason are pathetic. Teenagers are mentally more vulnerable that a seasoned pro like HC . Whilst both are wrong, the 'kids' stepping up need total support irrespective of what position or when or where any manager decides they should play or mistakes that they will make.

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1 hour ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

My take is different.

We have a really impressive academy - long in the making and producing good players.

They are City and some are the future of our club.

The "I will boo" contingent for whatever their reason are pathetic teenagers, are mentally more vulnerable.

There you are. FTFY.

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On 02/04/2023 at 15:15, Red-Robbo said:

 

Maybe there are more idiots in the SS?  :laughcont:

There is a chap in our row who clearly goes off and does a line or two mid half, comes back with eyes like saucers (and last time most of it around his nose) then gets pointlessly aggressive with everything and everyone, slagging off the players etc etc.

was actually told to STFU recently by the quietly spoken guy in front when it all got too much

He's clearly not alone, and this just  contributes to some of the outright stupidity that we all hear and see.

so lets not take it as gospel that these fans are genuinely critiquing the team / tactics - they are probably shouting at the leprechauns on the pitch ...

 

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On 03/04/2023 at 12:30, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

My take on it is, when fans boo'd Low and Sam Bell at right back, its not the player they are booing per se, just the fact that that player shouldnt be in that position at that particular time, and are actually booing the management. Same with the Cornick substitution, more booing Conway being replaced than HC coming on.

You write that as though it's a form of justification. All it actually does is make the person booing seem as thick as mince. Anybody with the remotest football brain would understand why Conway was hooked after an hour on Saturday. I mean you would need to be as thick as **** not to get that. Nobody can be that stupid can they? Nah, not possible.

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4 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Anybody with the remotest football brain would understand why Conway was hooked after an hour on Saturday. I mean you would need to be as thick as **** not to get that. Nobody can be that stupid can they? Nah, not possible.

Don't be so sure ?

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4 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

You write that as though it's a form of justification. All it actually does is make the person booing seem as thick as mince. Anybody with the remotest football brain would understand why Conway was hooked after an hour on Saturday. I mean you would need to be as thick as **** not to get that. Nobody can be that stupid can they? Nah, not possible.

Not justifying it at all, merely stating why our Neanderthals might consider booing.

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4 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

You write that as though it's a form of justification. All it actually does is make the person booing seem as thick as mince. Anybody with the remotest football brain would understand why Conway was hooked after an hour on Saturday. I mean you would need to be as thick as **** not to get that. Nobody can be that stupid can they? Nah, not possible.

 

22 minutes ago, CrackingCheeseGromit said:

Not justifying it at all, merely stating why our Neanderthals might consider booing.

I may be wrong, but hadn't NP already suggested in his press conference that T Conway was fit, but would only be given 60 minutes?

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16 hours ago, EstoniaTallinnRed said:

He even said so on Radio Bristol,  that Conway would get 45 - 60 minutes only, cant be clearer than that!

 

I don't think some fans of the club really follow what is going on, outside watching the home games. Guy who sits near me was surprised to learn last match about the Sykes suspension and Scott injury - I give him a BCFC news catch-up before games. 

There are lots of fans who don't "follow" the club with the avidness of most on here. That's fair enough. 

However, even for the most casual fan, I would've thought it had been obvious why a manager doesn't risk playing a striker who's just returned from a lengthy injury for 90 minutes.

The only people who can express surprise are those not following the club at all, for whom Reading was their first match for a long time (or ever) and who might've been puzzled as to why an effective performer was being subbed.

Even then, you don't boo. Pointless and stupid behaviour. 

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24 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Just thought I’d resurrect this.

I thought he was excellent second half, chased everything down, gave us an out ball & won a decent amount in the air.

We are running on low numbers & he certainly proved his value today.

 

Glad to hear it. I think he's a useful utility player; a lot of people seem to have been expecting a goal scoring striker.

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28 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Just thought I’d resurrect this.

I thought he was excellent second half, chased everything down, gave us an out ball & won a decent amount in the air.

We are running on low numbers & he certainly proved his value today.

 

Really did work hard. He needs a goal, but so did Mehmetti!

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On 06/04/2023 at 12:26, Red-Robbo said:

 

I don't think some fans of the club really follow what is going on, outside watching the home games. Guy who sits near me was surprised to learn last match about the Sykes suspension and Scott injury - I give him a BCFC news catch-up before games. 

There are lots of fans who don't "follow" the club with the avidness of most on here. That's fair enough. 

However, even for the most casual fan, I would've thought it had been obvious why a manager doesn't risk playing a striker who's just returned from a lengthy injury for 90 minutes.

The only people who can express surprise are those not following the club at all, for whom Reading was their first match for a long time (or ever) and who might've been puzzled as to why an effective performer was being subbed.

Even then, you don't boo. Pointless and stupid behaviour. 

Wish hed put some shin pads on and pull his socks up! I love his effort but again see nothing in him

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50 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Just thought I’d resurrect this.

I thought he was excellent second half, chased everything down, gave us an out ball & won a decent amount in the air.

We are running on low numbers & he certainly proved his value today.

 

Bang on,he is a squad player probably not a starter but we all need players to put the effort in and he will do that non stop 

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1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Just thought I’d resurrect this.

I thought he was excellent second half, chased everything down, gave us an out ball & won a decent amount in the air.

We are running on low numbers & he certainly proved his value today.

 

I'm not sure he actally won a lot in the air? He was certainly challenging for a few headers and was putting a shift in. He linked up well, but we still haven't seen anything especially impressive from him yet. Looks to me like he's still settling, but there wasn't anything to grumble about today. 

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2 hours ago, Percy Pig said:

Yep, 

Today we saw a fairly prolonged glimpse of "why we bought him" to paraphrase some of the haters.

He was a big part of some very tidy, quick and incisive one touch football in the opposition final third and its clear that the understanding between the players is growing. Him and Wells seem to have a decent understanding (seems we can say that about every player with Wells, it's becoming more and more evident that he's a phenomenal strike partner).

He's not the man to be getting on the end of things, but his workrate and vision for 1-2's could be a major part of our attacking identity next season. 

 

Yep, made similar comment on MDT re linking up with Wells.  Think the reverse is true too…Wells needs someone to play close to him, either alongside him or off of him.  Second half Weimann got close to him, running beyond, then Cornick playing narrower, drifting in, giving an option for the left to right diag.  So many opponents hit that ball and play off the bits and pieces.  Pring hit a few and we tried to play off him.  Which is a bit more like Luton’s style.  It’s something that’s a bit more difficult for Vyner to do (right to left), although I think Mehmeti has a physical presence about him, gets his body in the right place.

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9 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Just thought I’d resurrect this.

I thought he was excellent second half, chased everything down, gave us an out ball & won a decent amount in the air.

We are running on low numbers & he certainly proved his value today.

 

That’s pushing it a bit.

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On 03/04/2023 at 13:15, GrahamC said:

There used to be a bloke sat a few rows behind me in the Dolman who kept shouting “forward” every time we defended a set piece.

Haha I think we must have been sat in a similar place.

Pretty sure it was 'FORRRWURRRRDDD' every time we were passing it around the back. Me and @Coxy27 enjoyed it so much we use it ironically at every opportunity.

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8 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

According to the game stats he won 7 aerial contests, so it isn’t.

Out of interest, does winning an aerial contest mean just winning the ball or a successful challenge that ended up going to a city player after?

Whichever way they class its a good stat.

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4 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Haha I think we must have been sat in a similar place.

Pretty sure it was 'FORRRWURRRRDDD' every time we were passing it around the back. Me and @Coxy27 enjoyed it so much we use it ironically at every opportunity.

In S20 I hear a "OUUUUUT!" even heard "SQUEEEEEEZE" before a few times. Does make me chuckle.

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1 hour ago, DaveF said:

Haha I think we must have been sat in a similar place.

Pretty sure it was 'FORRRWURRRRDDD' every time we were passing it around the back. Me and @Coxy27 enjoyed it so much we use it ironically at every opportunity.

Sit in the Dolman as well and similarly chant FORWARD whenever we can. Along with the other favourites: GET UP, GET BACK and IN THE BOX.

Not the same without them.

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56 minutes ago, WOTRED said:

Sit in the Dolman as well and similarly chant FORWARD whenever we can. Along with the other favourites: GET UP, GET BACK and IN THE BOX.

Not the same without them.

 

Not forgetting SHOOOOT - aimed at any of our players with the ball 40 yards away from goal. Even Dasilva. 

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1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Not forgetting SHOOOOT - aimed at any of our players with the ball 40 yards away from goal. Even Dasilva. 

Massengo & Joe Williams, too.

FFS the only way a goal is goal to result from that is like at Blackburn last season when Weimann volleyed in one of the worst shots of all time.

3 hours ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Out of interest, does winning an aerial contest mean just winning the ball or a successful challenge that ended up going to a city player after?

Whichever way they class its a good stat.

My guess would be simply winning the challenge, but don’t know.

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4 hours ago, GrahamC said:

According to the game stats he won 7 aerial contests, so it isn’t.

I’d like to see footage rather than stats and see what justifies successful aerial contests.

I don’t remember any at all in fairness.

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9 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

A bloke used to sit a but across from me in the Atyeo and no matter what was happening in the game he would yell GET IT FORWARD in the broadest cockney accent you will ever hear. I looked over once to see who he was to see him proudly sat there in an Arsenal shirt!

For the life of me I can remember his name but followed city home and away after we beat Arsenal in 1976. 
 

I remember him well from when the Grand stand terraces!

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34 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Looks absolutely superb so far today. 

 

21 minutes ago, mozo said:

He's been good so far today. Haven't seem him like this in previous games so good to see.

 

12 minutes ago, Barrs Court Red said:

He looks useful, clearly growing into his side - fingers crossed he’ll hit the ground running next season. 

 

1 minute ago, MarcusX said:

Got a well deserved assist too

Someone was slagging off on the MD thread. He’s had a stormer 

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