Harry Cornick

[Red-Robbo]

5 minutes ago, Searles said:

He was made the scapegoat. Prior to Stoke who had played well over the previous 5/6 games? No one stands out for me but Cornick got all the stick.

 

To be fair, those who didn't stand out in those games HAD stood out in some games in the past. 

Cornick's problem was, as the new boy, nobody had seen him have a really good game for us. While most rational fans realised the below-par team performances weren't his fault, they also hadn't seen anything yet to confirm 100% he was going to come good.  Yesterday was his 13th appearance in a City shirt - albeit the majority of them were as a sub. 

Thing is, anyone watching that game can now see what he can do.  Doubters silenced in the most effective way. The way we all hoped for. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

Everyone wrote Grealish off at Man City. Huge waste of money, out of his depth etc. Now look at him? Apart from Haaland he's been one of City's best players this season. 

Obviously Grealish and Cornick are very different players but the point I'm making is it took Grealish a while to settle in at Man City and into their system. Some players can do it instantly (like Haaland) others can take a while. 

It's been rather embarrassing watching people write off a mid season signing after a couple of games. Once he's settled in here and settled into our system I think he'll become an important player for us. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

9 hours ago, OliOTIB said:

Woke up this morning feeling fine

Got harry cornick on my mind

Citys number 9 and he looks so fine

Oh yeah

Something tells me im into to something good

 

(to the tune of Into something good by Hermans Hermits)

Whatever happened to the simple songs like Harry Cornick du du du du

[Northern Red]

4 minutes ago, Searles said:

Thought he was excellent yesterday. Direct, fast, broke the lines and breezed through players with his leggy style. Tired towards the end but got himself into really good positions. Think he will be a real asset for us next season. 

Yep, definitely getting into rhythm and showing what he brings.

Has to stick that chance away though.

[Port Said Red]

5 hours ago, Northern Red said:

Yep, definitely getting into rhythm and showing what he brings.

Has to stick that chance away though.

As Atkinson said in commentary, he's probably caught it too well, a less clean strike goes in either corner. On last night's performance I can see him taking on Weimann's role in the team, he is able to get around the park and is comfortable wherever he takes the ball. Did some good defensive work last night too.

Edited April 19, 2023 by Port Said Red

[Port Said Red]

No I am not reviving this thread to talk about his Lee Miller level miss today, but has anyone else noticed his pre-match preparation and know what it's about. For those of you who haven't noticed, he stands almost on the edge of the penalty area on his own and appears to do something that looks like he is playing the old "1 potato, 2 potato, type game we used to play to pick sides as kids. I assume it's some sort of concentration technique but I have never seen anything quite like it before.

[BasSavage88]

4 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

No I am not reviving this thread to talk about his Lee Miller level miss today, but has anyone else noticed his pre-match preparation and know what it's about. For those of you who haven't noticed, he stands almost on the edge of the penalty area on his own and appears to do something that looks like he is playing the old "1 potato, 2 potato, type game we used to play to pick sides as kids. I assume it's some sort of concentration technique but I have never seen anything quite like it before.

Thought it was a prayer he was doing tbh 

[BigAl&Toby]

29 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

No I am not reviving this thread to talk about his Lee Miller level miss today, but has anyone else noticed his pre-match preparation and know what it's about. For those of you who haven't noticed, he stands almost on the edge of the penalty area on his own and appears to do something that looks like he is playing the old "1 potato, 2 potato, type game we used to play to pick sides as kids. I assume it's some sort of concentration technique but I have never seen anything quite like it before.

Did it in front of us. Bizarre.

Whatever it was **** me did it work?

How did he miss from 3 yards out? 

Sadly for me he’s not upto it…

[Port Said Red]

1 minute ago, BigAl&Toby said:

Did it in front of us. Bizarre.

Whatever it was **** me did it work?

How did he miss from 3 yards out? 

Sadly for me he’s not upto it…

Oh come on, the best strikers can miss those, it's been done many times before. Why pick out probably the only thing he did wrong all game? 

[The Swan and Cemetery]

1 minute ago, Port Said Red said:

Oh come on, the best strikers can miss those, it's been done many times before. Why pick out probably the only thing he did wrong all game? 

And compared to an awful lot of our strikers over the years, making the run to get to have the chance in that position was a refreshing change. 

[BigAl&Toby]

2 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Oh come on, the best strikers can miss those, it's been done many times before. Why pick out probably the only thing he did wrong all game? 

Sorry. I’m not a fan of Steve Jones. Or Harry Cornick.

I get we all take time to settle into a new job and all of that but I don’t see him being that good. 

Might well be me, the fact that where we sit we don’t get perspective or just that I’m difficult to please but I’m not seeing what he’s bringing to the party. 

At this point I’d like to add that shrugging shoulder emoji that’s loved by someone else - but I don’t know how to!

[glynriley]

6 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Oh come on, the best strikers can miss those, it's been done many times before. Why pick out probably the only thing he did wrong all game? 

The only thing he did wrong all game??

I’m not a hater, and am more the than willing to give him a chance, but he doesn’t like a tackle does he?
 

Roll your socks up, put some shin pads on and get stuck in son. 

[Out of his pie crust]

UTFC

[Port Said Red]

1 hour ago, Out of his pie crust said:

UTFC

Nope. Tried Googling it and everything, still no clue.

[Kodjias Wrist]

We know some players take longer yo settle in than others and correct me if I'm wrong but hes playing in a role he isn't used to. 

[NcnsBcfc]

3 hours ago, glynriley said:

The only thing he did wrong all game??

I’m not a hater, and am more the than willing to give him a chance, but he doesn’t like a tackle does he?
 

Roll your socks up, put some shin pads on and get stuck in son. 

Have to agree that he is a liability defensively. I can see Sykes getting the nod in that role for the next couple of games.

When you play 4-3-3 with the ball, you need to tuck back in a 4-5-1 without it on transition. Bell has started to do this really well.

Unfortunately Cornick without the ball, seems to go a bit headless. The amount of times he was out of position today with either King or James having to help out Tanner on the right was really noticeable. He also just doesn't track his man back particulary well either. 

He was terrible defensively against Boro with their LWB Ryan Giles. Early days still for him, and I don't knock his workrate; but he does need to improve substantially. 

Edited April 22, 2023 by NcnsBcfc

[spudski]

Re Cornick...I would love to know what the process was in why we decided on getting him. 

As in...manager says 'I'm looking for this type of player'...analysts and Scouts find solution. And we end up with Cornick. 

I look at Bell and Conway from the Academy...and they are better players imo, even with less experience. 

I'm struggling to see what he brings to the side that we are missing or didn't already have internally. 

NP has always said he won't bring anyone for the sake of it, and that they have to be an upgrade to what we already have. 

What does he bring that is an upgrade or outstanding? 

[Davefevs]

36 minutes ago, spudski said:

Re Cornick...I would love to know what the process was in why we decided on getting him. 

As in...manager says 'I'm looking for this type of player'...analysts and Scouts find solution. And we end up with Cornick. 

I look at Bell and Conway from the Academy...and they are better players imo, even with less experience. 

I'm struggling to see what he brings to the side that we are missing or didn't already have internally. 

NP has always said he won't bring anyone for the sake of it, and that they have to be an upgrade to what we already have. 

What does he bring that is an upgrade or outstanding? 

All I’d say is that the Cornick we saw versus Boro (2-2) was much more like the Cornick I’ve seen for Luton…so for me it’s easy to see why they might’ve thought he’d be useful for us.

As is stands that Boro game has been the highlight, a couple of other decent performances, but some below par too.  Overall a bit below par.

I think as a team we are transitioning out of a counterattack team to a more possession team, so a new player had to adjust to a new club whilst a team in transitioning its system too.  At a time when we’ve been lacking key players too.

That sounds like a bunch of excuses.  In some respects it is.

You can of course ask Recruitment (inc Nige) whether they thought signing a player from the most fast paced, direct team in the league was sensible, ie did they think he had the right attributes to play in a different style team.  That’s Recruitment in a nutshell for me.  We can all spot good players in this league, but that doesn’t mean they are the right fit.

On the flipside you might find a player struggling at a club (and we all think he’s crap) who just happens to be a great fit for us.

In the past (80s / 90s) it seemed to be about recruitment of players who played well against us!!!

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said:

Unfortunately Cornick without the ball, seems to go a bit headless.

You say that and maybe it's cherry picking by me, maybe it was because it was first half or a range of factors but vs Middlesbrough  I remember a phrase in the 1st half and we held a pretty good intermediate and Cornick was central in that line...both working hard and holding his position quite well..more of that needed!

Edited April 23, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[ashton_fan]

I think he gives us something different up front, as Nige says "things happen when he's on the pitch", that's good enough for me 

[REDOXO]

1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

All I’d say is that the Cornick we saw versus Boro (2-2) was much more like the Cornick I’ve seen for Luton…so for me it’s easy to see why they might’ve thought he’d be useful for us.

As is stands that Boro game has been the highlight, a couple of other decent performances, but some below par too.  Overall a bit below par.

I think as a team we are transitioning out of a counterattack team to a more possession team, so a new player had to adjust to a new club whilst a team in transitioning its system too.  At a time when we’ve been lacking key players too.

That sounds like a bunch of excuses.  In some respects it is.

You can of course ask Recruitment (inc Nige) whether they thought signing a player from the most fast paced, direct team in the league was sensible, ie did they think he had the right attributes to play in a different style team.  That’s Recruitment in a nutshell for me.  We can all spot good players in this league, but that doesn’t mean they are the right fit.

On the flipside you might find a player struggling at a club (and we all think he’s crap) who just happens to be a great fit for us.

In the past (80s / 90s) it seemed to be about recruitment of players who played well against us!!!

I’ve mentioned the Cheese 500 times…The utter shite talked about him after he joined was mind numbing. Cornick has done well recently the fact he got his foot over a sitter was far more annoying for him than me.  
 

But I like him!

[johnheadbcfc]

His workrate is incredible, he supported tanner at nearly every opportunity yesterday

[Elruliri]

6 hours ago, Davefevs said:

All I’d say is that the Cornick we saw versus Boro (2-2) was much more like the Cornick I’ve seen for Luton…so for me it’s easy to see why they might’ve thought he’d be useful for us.

As is stands that Boro game has been the highlight, a couple of other decent performances, but some below par too.  Overall a bit below par.

I think as a team we are transitioning out of a counterattack team to a more possession team, so a new player had to adjust to a new club whilst a team in transitioning its system too.  At a time when we’ve been lacking key players too.

That sounds like a bunch of excuses.  In some respects it is.

You can of course ask Recruitment (inc Nige) whether they thought signing a player from the most fast paced, direct team in the league was sensible, ie did they think he had the right attributes to play in a different style team.  That’s Recruitment in a nutshell for me.  We can all spot good players in this league, but that doesn’t mean they are the right fit.

On the flipside you might find a player struggling at a club (and we all think he’s crap) who just happens to be a great fit for us.

In the past (80s / 90s) it seemed to be about recruitment of players who played well against us!!!

In the 80's the majority of teams played 442.

I remember TC signing two quality players in the lower leagues that did nothing for us, Jimmy Harvey and Tony Caldwell. I guess what I'm saying is you don't always get it right when recruiting.

Hopefully a good pre season will do Cornick well.

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, Elruliri said:

In the 80's the majority of teams played 442.

I remember TC signing two quality players in the lower leagues that did nothing for us, Jimmy Harvey and Tony Caldwell. I guess what I'm saying is you don't always get it right when recruiting.

Hopefully a good pre season will do Cornick well.

As soon as I read “TC signing two quality players in the lower leagues that did nothing for us”, I knew one of the two you were gonna say - Tony Caldwell.  He seemed the perfect signing, could do a bit of everything.  It just didn’t work out.

[redsocks]

Not for me.did very little yesterday,missed from a yard out does not offer a lot.better players sat on the bench.new striker needed next season to play alongside TC.i would go for ashley Barnes at Burnley free transfer.?

[Elruliri]

9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

As soon as I read “TC signing two quality players in the lower leagues that did nothing for us”, I knew one of the two you were gonna say - Tony Caldwell.  He seemed the perfect signing, could do a bit of everything.  It just didn’t work out.

I agree he used to score for fun at Bolton. Jimmy Harvey went on to play in a decent Tranmere side and was captain. Steve Johnson is another one  big physical centre forward at Wigan. Did Jack shit here.

[Wrongagain]

Nige seems to think there’s a player in there somewhere, only hope we get to see it next season! 
Martin seems to have performed a reset at QPR! Very mobile looking, what went wrong here?

[pillred]

7 hours ago, REDOXO said:

I’ve mentioned the Cheese 500 times…The utter shite talked about him after he joined was mind numbing. Cornick has done well recently the fact he got his foot over a sitter was far more annoying for him than me.  
 

But I like him!

Do you mean as in "Ooh! you are awful" (but I like you) :laugh:.

[Red-Robbo]

13 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Oh come on, the best strikers can miss those, it's been done many times before. Why pick out probably the only thing he did wrong all game? 

 

I'd have been embarrassed to miss that in a kickaround. In fact, it was difficult to see how he did. But there you go, it happens occasionally.

He worked hard (as ever) that game and slipped through some good passes going forward, but I think if you asked the lumbering Rotherham defence, they'd say they found him probably the least threat of our forward players. I don't think in all faith, you could say he had a good game, merely an average one, like some of the rest of the squad.

The Boro match remains the only time I've seen him have a really good game, so, as yet, I'm still on-the-fence as to whether he'll be a sound investment long-term. Too early to call this season.

Some of those "Don't criticise the Cornick!" posters on here seem to adopt a doctrine of the infallible Nigel, but as we know, NP can and does make mistakes from time-to-time.  Not least, taking too long to bring on subs when the entire stadium can see our initial line-up has gone a bit flat. 

[Davefevs]

48 minutes ago, Wrongagain said:

Nige seems to think there’s a player in there somewhere, only hope we get to see it next season! 
Martin seems to have performed a reset at QPR! Very mobile looking, what went wrong here?

My QPR mate says he’s been awful…but has scored 3 important goals.

27 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

I'd have been embarrassed to miss that in a kickaround. In fact, it was difficult to see how he did. But there you go, it happens occasionally.

He worked hard (as ever) that game and slipped through some good passes going forward, but I think if you asked the lumbering Rotherham defence, they'd say they found him probably the least threat of our forward players. I don't think in all faith, you could say he had a good game, merely an average one, like some of the rest of the squad.

The Boro match remains the only time I've seen him have a really good game, so, as yet, I'm still on-the-fence as to whether he'll be a sound investment long-term. Too early to call this season.

Some of those "Don't criticise the Cornick!" posters on here seem to adopt a doctrine of the infallible Nigel, but as we know, NP can and does make mistakes from time-to-time.  Not least, taking too long to bring on subs when the entire stadium can see our initial line-up has gone a bit flat. 

Very Fair.

I also think it’s fine to critique any player’s performance in a game…without casting the dye on him overall.  As you say quite a few “average” performers yesterday.

[RedM]

I'm actually feeling a bit sorry for Harry. It's not easy joining in January, you are obviously not up to speed with how the teams season has been and immediately are under pressure to make a positive contribution. He then finally gets a run in the team after quite a few games where he hasn't made too much of a positive impression, he scores a goal, next game gives away an OG then misses a sitter!

I sat somewhere different yesterday and therefore heard different opinions. Someone nearby was saying he 'runs around a lot and is all arms and legs'.

Personally I think he looks a strange 'fit' in the team, not really the type of player we have been used to here. No harm in trying something different, but when the rest of the team are playing pretty much how they have been drilled to play all season its going to look disjoined and take time for everyone to adjust.

[AppyDAZE]

I wouldn't say he gave away an own goal. Had the ball blasted at him by a teammate and nobody could have done anything different. Had an up and down time, but more to do with impatience from certain fans in my opinion.

Yesterday's miss was very poor though.

Edited April 23, 2023 by AppyDAZE

[Port Said Red]

5 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

I wouldn't say he gave away an own goal. Had the ball blasted at him by a teammate and nobody could have done anything different. Had an up and down time, but more to do with impatience from certain fans in my opinion.

Yesterday's miss was very poor though.

Yes, it was a poor miss, luckily it didn't cost us in terms of points which would have really had people on his back. I don't see why people think he is that different, I can see him taking on Weimanns role, another "ugly" but willing runner, willing to go the extra yards and work hard for others. 

His footwork to set up Conway yesterday was very neat, it's a shame he didn't get an assist for it.

[Red_Alligator]

Yesterday's miss was a real howler and unfortunately will only fuel the focus on things he gets wrong, rather than his total contribution during a game.

Overall, I'm not sure what to make of him so far. It's certainly not the first time I've viewed a player that way, and he's by no means on his own in that respect.

I'll be very interested to see how he does next season, given that NP seems to be reasonably happy about what he can offer to the team.

Good luck to him, lets hope it works out well for everyone concerned. 

 

COYR!!

[ooRya]

Nige has said several times that he isn't going to sign players for the sake of it, only if they're better than what we have.  I'm struggling to name a player that he's better than. 

[maxjak]

8 minutes ago, ooRya said:

Nige has said several times that he isn't going to sign players for the sake of it, only if they're better than what we have.  I'm struggling to name a player that he's better than. 

Spot on......he seems like a "He 'll Do" player, which is completely contrary  to what Pearson stated?  I' m not knocking Cornick, as why would he turn down a nice contract?   But Cornick is no better than any striker we have at the club...........it should be all about upgrades?  Not getting someone.....just for the sake of it?

[The Swan and Cemetery]

Maybe in a minority of one, but didn’t think yesterday’s miss was that horrific, more that it was unlikely given where he was. The ball came across at pace with plenty of players there or thereabouts, including their keeper. Lots of strikers would have failed to get a clean strike, but given that close to the goal, ricochets very likely to go in the net and his went over the bar. So unlucky more than desperately poor for me. 

Overall I like him. Think he gives more support defensively than others who’ve played that role. Also think he picks up good positions in the final third which is a weakness of ours - attacks often petering out as forward players make the same runs etc. And whilst I get the Steve Jones-esque lack of Rolls Royce purring maybe means he doesn’t always look the part, pretty sure opponents find it difficult to play against. 

Overall a decent start and although he may not be de facto better than others, given a very small squad, think he’s strengthened it and given NP options. 

[Super]

14 minutes ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Maybe in a minority of one, but didn’t think yesterday’s miss was that horrific, more that it was unlikely given where he was. The ball came across at pace with plenty of players there or thereabouts, including their keeper. Lots of strikers would have failed to get a clean strike, but given that close to the goal, ricochets very likely to go in the net and his went over the bar. So unlucky more than desperately poor for me. 

Overall I like him. Think he gives more support defensively than others who’ve played that role. Also think he picks up good positions in the final third which is a weakness of ours - attacks often petering out as forward players make the same runs etc. And whilst I get the Steve Jones-esque lack of Rolls Royce purring maybe means he doesn’t always look the part, pretty sure opponents find it difficult to play against. 

Overall a decent start and although he may not be de facto better than others, given a very small squad, think he’s strengthened it and given NP options. 

Not according to the bloke behind me in the dolman who said they should bring back hanging! Although he was slating Cornick from the first whistle

[Beni71]

I like Cornick and the fact a number of fans don’t like him (don’t know why) makes me like him more.

It’s not like we’ve paid £10m for HC. He’s a good versatile championship player. We paid £2.5 m for Gustav Engvall and c.£3m for Palmer yet HC already is the boo boy as he played for Luton…..
 

Fan expectations are so unrealistic. Can you imagine moving jobs across the country and moving your family with new colleagues and expecting to perform at the same level. He is a footballer of course so all bets are off…

[maxjak]

37 minutes ago, Beni71 said:

I like Cornick and the fact a number of fans don’t like him (don’t know why) makes me like him more.

It’s not like we’ve paid £10m for HC. He’s a good versatile championship player. We paid £2.5 m for Gustav Engvall and c.£3m for Palmer yet HC already is the boo boy as he played for Luton…..
 

Fan expectations are so unrealistic. Can you imagine moving jobs across the country and moving your family with new colleagues and expecting to perform at the same level. He is a footballer of course so all bets are off…

To tell u the truth...........i would walk across the country carrying all  my belongings, and willingly abandon my family........for the chance and privilege to be paid to play professional football..Ha!

[Beni71]

1 hour ago, maxjak said:

To tell u the truth...........i would walk across the country carrying all  my belongings, and willingly abandon my family........for the chance and privilege to be paid to play professional football..Ha!

I would as well. It’s just when I get booed for walking on the pitch, it’s going to impact my confidence 

[AppyDAZE]

1 minute ago, Beni71 said:

I would as well. It’s just when I get booed for walking on the pitch, it’s going to impact my confidence 

The morons who are on this guy's back for absolutely no reason are embarrassing our fans imho. Like you, I find myself defending him more than I would normally, but I really find it odd that this has happened at all. He works hard closing stuff down, brings energy to our performances and has been involved in goals and has netted. It's very, very bizarre Indeed.