Italy v England

[TonyTonyTony]

2 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Great win. Good first half performance, backs to the wall in the second. Classic away win.

This. Ropey ref against us as well. 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

England held on. Superb in the 1st half England went into their shell in the 2nd period, with only the hold up play of Kane (England's man of the match) and a couple of runs from Saka showing any positivity. No complaints about the bookings for time wasting and subsequently sending off of Shaw. 

[Open End Numb Legs]

A well parked bus for the last 20 mins. We were 1st to every 50-50 ball in the 1st half so not really surprising that we fell off the pace a bit.

That Grealish miss - if it had gone in I don't think the Italians would have recovered so well with their own crowd on their back.

[Rossi the Robin]

Thought it was going to be usual second half story as it’s been in big games many times

It was to a certain extent but managed to pull through this time

Gutsy performance, well done all 

[Kid in the Riot]

We were solid and gutsy after the sending off. Was never worried Italy would score. 

[steveybadger]

1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

And breathe.

Something for everyone there, excellent first half and the second was nervy enough to give people things to complain about.

You know what I’m a Southgate fan, we’ve just won away against a team we usually struggle against, yet I am slightly disappointed. Found the second half opening up old wounds around ball retention, and the backs to the wall stuff disguises it a bit.

Still would’ve taken that before the start though

[miketh2nd]

2 minutes ago, cityexile said:

Gutsy in the second half and saw it out, some real quality defending. Coming out in the second half would have liked to see them display more control, we did the ‘sit back’ thing again, but real quality result.

I think with how non stop this season has been with the world cup , you would think we would of  brought on subs early no matter the result . 

That said I can't remember pickford being troubled that much and we pretty much gifted them their goal . 

[Sir Colby-Tit]

It's going to kick off in Naples tonight

[formerly known as ivan]

3 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

This. Ropey ref against us as well. 

He was shocking. Just balancing the view that we don’t only complain about a ref when we lose!

[Northern Red]

Ref was never giving that second yellow to Shaw until their players complained. If he was then he'd have done it straight away.

[Ronnie Sinclair]

Just now, Northern Red said:

Ref was never giving that second yellow to Shaw until their players complained. If he was then he'd have done it straight away.

And that tosser Mancini on the touchline waving his imaginary card

[Northern Red]

1 minute ago, steveybadger said:

You know what I’m a Southgate fan, we’ve just won away against a team we usually struggle against, yet I am slightly disappointed. Found the second half opening up old wounds around ball retention, and the backs to the wall stuff disguises it a bit.

Still would’ve taken that before the start though

Yeah, we were sloppy right from the start of the second half and it built from there. Italy were obviously going to come out and give it a go, and it was like we weren't expecting it and then panicked once they got one back.

[The Original OTIB]

1 minute ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

And that tosser Mancini on the touchline waving his imaginary card

Ref should wave it right back.

[ralphindevon]

Great result, a touch of old Italy about us tonight.

Just seen Semenyo’s winner for Ghana too, a good night.

[luke_bristol]

Well that was nervy. Amazing result in the circumstances, really hope Italy don’t qualify at all after Mancini’s card waving. Hope the Man City financial investigation finds something as well and he ends up in prison. Hope his car breaks down too.

[Show Me The Money!]

Channel 4 have no time for post match interviews or analysis. Why did they bother having 3 pundits?

[Bristol Oil Services]

Where can you pick up a copy of Corriere Dello Sport these days? @italian dave?

[TV Tom]

First win in Italy for 60 years, fair play, hope my boy is safe in Naples tonight!!!!!

[chinapig]

Apparently that was Italy's first European qualifier defeat in 41 games!

[Robbored]

Terrific win away in Napoli especially down to 10 men when the game management was excellent to see the game out. Rice was was my MoM although the headlines will be all bout Harry becoming England’s top goalscorer.

Dion Dublin was pretty good behind the Mike and Gerrard and Cole’s assessment of the match was spot on.

Given it was a qualifying game it was very refreshing to see England actually play some thrilling football at last.

[Numero Uno]

8 minutes ago, luke_bristol said:

Well that was nervy. Amazing result in the circumstances, really hope Italy don’t qualify at all after Mancini’s card waving. Hope the Man City financial investigation finds something as well and he ends up in prison. Hope his car breaks down too.

After those antics the bastard needs to be made to eat pineapple on his pizza…….

[italian dave]

9 minutes ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

Where can you pick up a copy of Corriere Dello Sport these days? @italian dave?

Well, there’s a kiosk of the Pineta Sachetti in Rome that I know has them!

Seriously, it’s been a long time since I’ve seen one in Bristol. 

But you can read it here

https://www.corrieredellosport.it/
 

[2015]

To be fair that's a great win and imo a good performance too

[pillred]

18 minutes ago, luke_bristol said:

Well that was nervy. Amazing result in the circumstances, really hope Italy don’t qualify at all after Mancini’s card waving. Hope the Man City financial investigation finds something as well and he ends up in prison. Hope his car breaks down too.

He speaks well of you :laugh:.

[RedRock]

23 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Yeah, we were sloppy right from the start of the second half and it built from there. Italy were obviously going to come out and give it a go, and it was like we weren't expecting it and then panicked once they got one back.

Odd wasn’t it. Seemed more a case of our three ‘creators’ just disappearing - Sako, Bellingham and Jack - than the Italian raising their game. Whether the Italians cut the supply or our creators just lost their way I’m unsure. Sako’s confidence just seemed to sap away. 

Anyhows, dug in well and Rice was immense. 

 

[Alex_BCFC]

enjoyable night 

[italian dave]

40 minutes ago, RedRock said:

Imagine if England were managed by Warnock, we’d have no players left on the pitch after 66 mins with this ref.

Good win England. Kane ‘the magnificent’. 

Ha ha! That’s very true….and Warnock’s head would have exploded! There’s a serious point there too though: with more refs like that Warnock wouldn’t be able to get away with his anti-football tactics. 

I’m fed up with referees at City games who do nothing about time wasting, or who speak to players and wave their watch in the air but then do nothing. I’d be very happy to have a ref who adopted his approach. I don’t think any of the bookings weren’t warranted. 

Yes, great win. Great first half and some really exciting football . Hanging on a bit at the end, although despite all the possession Italy had second half they had very little in the way of clear cut opportunities. It will confirm Southgate’s tendency to try to hang on to leads second half rather than to extend them. Whether that’s a good thing or not is debateable I guess! 

[RedRock]

9 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Ha ha! That’s very true….and Warnock’s head would have exploded! There’s a serious point there too though: with more refs like that Warnock wouldn’t be able to get away with his anti-football tactics. 

I’m fed up with referees at City games who do nothing about time wasting, or who speak to players and wave their watch in the air but then do nothing. I’d be very happy to have a ref who adopted his approach. I don’t think any of the bookings weren’t warranted. 

Yes, great win. Great first half and some really exciting football . Hanging on a bit at the end, although despite all the possession Italy had second half they had very little in the way of clear cut opportunities. It will confirm Southgate’s tendency to try to hang on to leads second half rather than to extend them. Whether that’s a good thing or not is debateable I guess! 

Couldn’t agree more about the ref. As ever, it’s about consistency. Great if this is a new directive, applied throughout football … my suspicion though is it’s just a one-off by a ref that had a dislike of either time-wasting, England or both. Think that’s the first time I’ve ever seen someone booked for ignoring a ball that was left by a bench. 

I just hope the result doesn’t reinforce Southgate’s negativity. It’s a game of fine margins. Our keeper and defence are error prone, particularly concentration lapses, so once ahead to rely on ‘parking the bus’  as a playing strategy is a big gamble imo. 

[Rossi the Robin]

Pickford didn’t have to make a save 

[Bris Red]

1 hour ago, RedRock said:

Odd wasn’t it. Seemed more a case of our three ‘creators’ just disappearing - Sako, Bellingham and Jack - than the Italian raising their game. Whether the Italians cut the supply or our creators just lost their way I’m unsure. Sako’s confidence just seemed to sap away. 

Anyhows, dug in well and Rice was immense. 

 

Rice was MOTM for me, he really needs to leave West Ham in the summer though and move to a club in the Champions League whether that be in this country or abroad IMO.

Edited March 23, 2023 by Bris Red

[MarcusX]

Still the same old moans and groans but a team we never beat in their own back yard (60 years since the last time).

41 euro qualifiers unbeaten too. 
 

That is a massive win in a group that has the potential to be a real banana skin.

So happy for Kane, i think he’s a level above Rooney (who I loved) just a shame j was hoping to see him clinch it on Sunday as I’ll be there.

Rice is outstanding, a really talented lad and we’re lucky to have him.

 

[exAtyeoMax]

7 hours ago, Numero Uno said:

After those antics the bastard needs to be made to eat pineapple on his pizza…….

[wayne allisons tongues]

Speaking to someone who is a referee in work today and he says you cannot be booked twice for time wasting. If that’s right then makes sense why refs usually do it in the last 20 mins of a game. Maybe the laws need looking at if that’s true to make it possible.

[MarcusX]

22 minutes ago, wayne allisons tongues said:

Speaking to someone who is a referee in work today and he says you cannot be booked twice for time wasting. If that’s right then makes sense why refs usually do it in the last 20 mins of a game. Maybe the laws need looking at if that’s true to make it possible.

I’m almost certain this isn’t true

The reason you see it more later in the game is just that’s when it’s most likely to happen.

[Super]

Great Pic

[Open End Numb Legs]

10 hours ago, harrys said:

First win in Italy for 60 years, fair play, hope my boy is safe in Naples tonight!!!!!

Nothing on the news headlines to suggest trouble in Napoli so I hope that means everyone got back to base without too many problems.

[Silvio Dante]

17 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

I’m almost certain this isn’t true

The reason you see it more later in the game is just that’s when it’s most likely to happen.

It’s not true.

Whoever this mate is needs to quit refereeing ASAP.

If we are to assume you can only be booked once for a bookable offence, then that by logic means that if you get booked for fouling someone you have Carte Blanche to rock around the pitch kicking people for the rest of the game.

A bookable offence is a bookable offence. If you do it more than once it doesn’t make it less so!

@wayne allisons tongues - have a word with your mate

[2015]

1 hour ago, Super said:

Great Pic

This generation of players absolutely **** on the 'Golden Generation'. It's great to see they're one unit now when playing for England.

[MarcusX]

2 minutes ago, 2015 said:

This generation of players absolutely **** on the 'Golden Generation'. It's great to see they're one unit now when playing for England.

They seem to genuinely love being at camp with each other and representing our country.

Ive been lucky enough to speak to 2 players in that photo, and both came across as just really nice guys and you could tell they absolutely loved the Euros journey and the crowds at Wembley.

[wayne allisons tongues]

1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

It’s not true.

Whoever this mate is needs to quit refereeing ASAP.

If we are to assume you can only be booked once for a bookable offence, then that by logic means that if you get booked for fouling someone you have Carte Blanche to rock around the pitch kicking people for the rest of the game.

A bookable offence is a bookable offence. If you do it more than once it doesn’t make it less so!

@wayne allisons tongues - have a word with your mate

He says you can, but referees are told not do it.
It is an unwritten rule basically, and players know it.

He says imagine the outrage if a keeper was booked twice for time wasting and was sent off.
He would like it to happen and thinks it should but until someone sends someone off for 2 bookings for timewasting it will just carry on and it would be looked on very poorly by the refs assessor, refs are there to administer the laws and try to keep the game flowing and not  to  ruin it by needless cards. He refs at National league level at the moment and looking to move up to football league.

[TV Tom]

1 hour ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Nothing on the news headlines to suggest trouble in Napoli so I hope that means everyone got back to base without too many problems.

Paid for the wrong train to take him back to Rome this morning so had to fork out another £50, main thing is though is that he survived Naples despite it’s reputation 

[pillred]

26 minutes ago, harrys said:

Paid for the wrong train to take him back to Rome this morning so had to fork out another £50, main thing is though is that he survived Naples despite it’s reputation 

Where did that saying see Naples and die come from? I'm assuming it's nothing to do with football fans.

Edited March 24, 2023 by pillred

[Open End Numb Legs]

44 minutes ago, harrys said:

Paid for the wrong train to take him back to Rome this morning so had to fork out another £50, main thing is though is that he survived Naples despite it’s reputation 

Good to hear he got out ok, as some pilots used to say, any landing you can walk away from is a good one.

£50 for a train fare though? I thought Italian trains were supposed to be cheap.

[Red-Robbo]

1 hour ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Good to hear he got out ok, as some pilots used to say, any landing you can walk away from is a good one.

£50 for a train fare though? I thought Italian trains were supposed to be cheap.

 

That is cheap compared to English fares. 

It's a more than two-hour journey. 

[spudski]

1 hour ago, pillred said:

Where did that saying see Naples and die come from? I'm assuming it's nothing to do with football fans.

It came from a poet travelling in the 18th Century. Who on seeing Naples back then, wrote the expression...meaning you will die from its beauty. 

 

[Rob k]

A mate out there said he saw no trouble at all bar a bit of shoving from the police

[spudski]

4 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

That is cheap compared to English fares. 

It's a more than two-hour journey. 

You can still get tickets every day from Naples to Rome by train for 12euro. In the middle of the afternoon. The fast trains that take an hour are more expensive. 

[Red-Robbo]

5 minutes ago, spudski said:

You can still get tickets every day from Naples to Rome by train for 12euro. In the middle of the afternoon. The fast trains that take an hour are more expensive. 

 

Certainly some bargains to be had on the Italian railways. They wanted to charge me £129 to get to Manchester for 1pm on Monday.  I'm driving. 

[spudski]

5 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Certainly some bargains to be had on the Italian railways. They wanted to charge me £129 to get to Manchester for 1pm on Monday.  I'm driving. 

I've found them fantastic. Always on time, clean, plenty of them, and cheap if you book in advance or are willing to take the slower ones. 

Our system is a disgrace.

[TV Tom]

3 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Good to hear he got out ok, as some pilots used to say, any landing you can walk away from is a good one.

£50 for a train fare though? I thought Italian trains were supposed to be cheap.

I always thought that and it certainly was when I went to Northern Italy a few years ago but I booked all my train travel in advance 

[1960maaan]

19 minutes ago, harrys said:

I always thought that and it certainly was when I went to Northern Italy a few years ago but I booked all my train travel in advance 

They are, and they aren't. We went from Milan to Como and back then Milan to Venice . Apart from getting thrown out of first Class (hard to tell) , we found out there are many different Rail Companies. We managed to get a cheap ticket , but then got on the wrong train (different company), the difference in prices was huge. The Woman conductor was brilliant, she pointed to a Train passing and said , "that was the one you were supposed to be on". Then followed up by saying, "I didn't see you" and smiled. 

We got where we wanted at a decent price, but the machines aren't straight forward and prices varied a hell of a lot. 
Just checked on Trainline, that journey can cost £200 or under £20, I think booking in advance is the best way. 

[redkev]

4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Certainly some bargains to be had on the Italian railways. They wanted to charge me £129 to get to Manchester for 1pm on Monday.  I'm driving. 

Someone has to pay for the 14% pay rise just been given to staff , mark my words them and the tube drivers will be striking again within 18 months about something else , if there was a league for strikers those two would be top of the premier , do my head in 

[redkev]

2 hours ago, harrys said:

I always thought that and it certainly was when I went to Northern Italy a few years ago but I booked all my train travel in advance 

Wise father , take note my son

[MarcusX]

16 minutes ago, redkev said:

Someone has to pay for the 14% pay rise just been given to staff , mark my words them and the tube drivers will be striking again within 18 months about something else , if there was a league for strikers those two would be top of the premier , do my head in 

Not really, the rail prices have gone up every single year as far as I can remember and the service has got shitter.

You could easily say, they should have no problem giving a decent pay rise after all the increases every year. Give it 12 months they will rise them again

[TV Tom]

2 hours ago, redkev said:

Wise father , take note my son

Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be still wiser; teach a righteous man, and he will increase in learning. -2 Timothy 3:16 

Here ends my lesson for today

[Northern Red]

Good to see it seems to have passed off largely peacefully, despite the best efforts of that ******** from Burnley to land the rest of the travelling England fans in a whole lot of bother.

[TV Tom]

2 hours ago, redkev said:

Someone has to pay for the 14% pay rise just been given to staff , mark my words them and the tube drivers will be striking again within 18 months about something else , if there was a league for strikers those two would be top of the premier , do my head in 

I’m afraid it’s not the fault of the workers for our ridiculously high prices it’s the fault of  our greedy foreign owned owners, something else to be thankful to Maggie for

[TV Tom]

1 minute ago, Northern Red said:

Good to see it seems to have passed off largely peacefully, despite the best efforts of that ******** from Burnley to land the rest of the travelling England fans in a whole lot of bother.

What a complete lunatic, hope he gets banned from every ground for the next 25 years 

[Alex_BCFC]

Got train down from Rome to Naples yesterday £35 and took 75 mins at about 1pm.

Train back at 5pm… 2 hours and £25. Both pretty reasonable I think. 

[Club and Country]

21 hours ago, 2015 said:

This generation of players absolutely **** on the 'Golden Generation'. It's great to see they're one unit now when playing for England.

When you listen to the 'golden generation' in interviews now they weren't have a jumped up, entitled group 

give me the current team any day of the week 

[2015]

1 hour ago, Club and Country said:

When you listen to the 'golden generation' in interviews now they weren't have a jumped up, entitled group 

give me the current team any day of the week 

Heard it from the likes of Gary Neville many a time - they'd rather be with their club and not socialising with their rivals. Yet these same Man Utd players thought they were mistreated by England. Entitled primadonnas, the lot of them

[redkev]

19 hours ago, MarcusX said:

Not really, the rail prices have gone up every single year as far as I can remember and the service has got shitter.

You could easily say, they should have no problem giving a decent pay rise after all the increases every year. Give it 12 months they will rise them again

My issue is the train drivers are earning decent money yet in a time of hardship others have had to suffer for them line there own pockets even more that’s why I have little support for them 

[HappyClapper]

13 minutes ago, redkev said:

My issue is the train drivers are earning decent money yet in a time of hardship others have had to suffer for them line there own pockets even more that’s why I have little support for them 

It wasn’t actually really the train drivers on strike. The government and right wing press pushed that narrative because they were hoping there would be a lack of support from the public. The vast majority of those striking were support staff, for example cleaners, who are very poorly paid.

Edited March 25, 2023 by HappyClapper

[Davefevs]

43 minutes ago, redkev said:

My issue is the train drivers are earning decent money yet in a time of hardship others have had to suffer for them line there own pockets even more that’s why I have little support for them 

As @HappyClappersays, not really all about them or payrise, but support of their fellow workers over changes to terms and conditions , dropping in standards, move to driverless trains, etc.

As someone who got shafted by their company over a change to my t&c’s re my final salary pension (which became a something significantly different to what my final salary would be), I fully support them.  My changes cost me circa £250k-350k in my pension pot.  I could’ve course given up 10%-15% of my salary in additional contributions to make up the deficit - how kind of them!  And if you didn’t sign the new terms, you couldn’t get a payrise.  I decided to leave.

@Clevedon Red was one of the “lucky” ones as he being sooooooooooo much older than me wasn’t as far away from his pension age, so lost less, but he still lost out.  And the bastards used his photo on all the brochures and intranet pages, until he realised and told them to remove them.  That was quite funny though!!!

Solidarity to all people being shafted.

 

Edited March 25, 2023 by Davefevs

[redkev]

2 hours ago, HappyClapper said:

It wasn’t actually really the train drivers on strike. The government and right wing press pushed that narrative because they were hoping there would be a lack of support from the public. The vast majority of those striking were support staff, for example cleaners, who are very poorly paid.

I bet the train drivers did get a pay rise though , totally understand the the support staff looking for a pay rise but like I said the drivers are on decent money . 

[Davefevs]

https://www.reed.com/articles/train-driver-salary-benefits
 

 

[redkev]

2 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

https://www.reed.com/articles/train-driver-salary-benefits
 

 

I’ve just applied Dave but I shall be joining the picket line before I start for work experience

[redkev]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

https://www.reed.com/articles/train-driver-salary-benefits
 

 

My brother in law has been a driver for virgin , Gner , & now gwr £55,000 10 years ago now earning over £68,000 and his dream job 

[redkev]

19 hours ago, Northern Red said:

Good to see it seems to have passed off largely peacefully, despite the best efforts of that ******** from Burnley to land the rest of the travelling England fans in a whole lot of bother.

Totally agree I bet a few England fans were very sceptical about going and a little nervous about what awaited them .Then this idiotic poke the bees nest , the problem with anything like this is it’s usually the innocent who Kop the wrath of the offended