England Goalscoring List

[Super]

I know HK has the record but if you could pick one in their prime who would it be?

Name	Goals	Caps	Years
Harry Kane	54	81	2015 - present
Wayne Rooney	53	120	2003 - 2018
Bobby Charlton	49	106	1958 - 1970
Gary Lineker	48	80	1984 - 1992
Jimmy Greaves	44	57	1959 - 1967
Michael Owen	40	89	1998 - 2008
Nat Lofthouse	30	33	1950 - 1958
Alan Shearer	30	63	1992 - 2000
Tom Finney	30	76	1946 - 1958
Vivian Woodward	29	23	1903 - 1911
Frank Lampard	29	106	1999 - 2014

[Roger Red Hat]

Jimmy greaves is pretty impressive. 44 in 57.

[handsofclay]

Steve Bloomer who doesn't quite make the list with 28 goals from 23 matches.

[The Bard]

Bobby Charlton 

[Enclosure Old Timer]

John Atyeo, 5 in 6 .

[hollydog]

10 minutes ago, Enclosure Old Timer said:

John Atyeo, 5 in 6 .

Definitely- much better goals/games ratio!

[Bob Taylor is GOD]

Not a fair comparison table IMO.

More penalties given these days - and when they were, defenders used to take some of them.

[exAtyeoMax]

Jimmy Greaves

[Davefevs]

21 minutes ago, The Bard said:

Bobby Charlton 

Me too.  Bloody great player, and although nobody disputes he was great, I’m not sure how many put him ahead of Moore or Hurst because of the 66 Final.

[MarcusX]

Michael Owen for me, Rooney and Kane are very close behind (I’m too young for Lineker and beyond).

Owen had something I’ve never seen anyone else in an England shirt do. Frightening pace, running in behind off the last man, tricky dribbler and a finisher.

Rooney was close but between injuries and discipline his prime years were a bit of a disappointment, he never went to a tournament in full fitness after 04 and then later on he changed his style.

Kane is world class in my opinion, but I can’t help but wonder what this team would look like with an Owen type player up front.

[cidercity1987]

Half of them are before my time but in his prime (which only lasted about 3 years) Owen was the most exciting for me.

[Tinmans Love Child]

1 hour ago, Super said:

I know HK has the record but if you could pick one in their prime who would it be?

Name	Goals	Caps	Years
Harry Kane	54	81	2015 - present
Wayne Rooney	53	120	2003 - 2018
Bobby Charlton	49	106	1958 - 1970
Gary Lineker	48	80	1984 - 1992
Jimmy Greaves	44	57	1959 - 1967
Michael Owen	40	89	1998 - 2008
Nat Lofthouse	30	33	1950 - 1958
Alan Shearer	30	63	1992 - 2000
Tom Finney	30	76	1946 - 1958
Vivian Woodward	29	23	1903 - 1911
Frank Lampard	29	106	1999 - 2014

If Owen would have stayed fit he would have beaten the record (49 at that time) I think, he was unreal when he came on the scene, another qualifying campaign and tournament would have seen him very close.  
 

He was done with England by the age of 28 and scored his last England goal in 2007 age 27!

https://www.englandstats.com/player.php?pid=1086
 

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Tinmans Love Child

[TBW]

Like to see this list without penalties. 

[RedEd73]

Jimmy Greaves. Without hesitation

[Maltshoveller]

If any one had seen all those play

My money would be on them saying

Greaves and Charlton

For me Shearer and Lineker

[Coxy27]

14 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Michael Owen for me, Rooney and Kane are very close behind (I’m too young for Lineker and beyond).

Owen had something I’ve never seen anyone else in an England shirt do. Frightening pace, running in behind off the last man, tricky dribbler and a finisher.

Rooney was close but between injuries and discipline his prime years were a bit of a disappointment, he never went to a tournament in full fitness after 04 and then later on he changed his style.

Kane is world class in my opinion, but I can’t help but wonder what this team would look like with an Owen type player up front.

'In their prime' it must be Owen or Rooney - it's just a shame their prime was so short lived (relative to others)

Their primes were probably when they were 18!

[Tinmans Love Child]

2 minutes ago, TBW said:

Like to see this list without penalties. 

I think Kane scored with 18 penalties out of those 54 England goals.  

[WECANDO]

21 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Me too.  Bloody great player, and although nobody disputes he was great, I’m not sure how many put him ahead of Moore or Hurst because of the 66 Final.

I think Charlton only scored 6 pens in his total but Kane has18.

Edited March 24, 2023 by WECANDO
Slight error in figures.

[Maltshoveller]

23 minutes ago, Bob Taylor is GOD said:

Not a fair comparison table IMO.

More penalties given these days - and when they were, defenders used to take some of them.

Also Defenders can

(a) No longer defend properly

(B) Are not allowed to defend as football is becoming a none contact sport

[TV Tom]

Jimmy Greave’s  record was something else, by far the most impressive figures

[TBW]

3 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

I think Kane scored with 18 penalties out of those 54 England goals.  

Just checked.

WITHOUT PENALTIES:

Harry Kane - 36

Wayne Rooney - 46

Bobby Charlton - 46

Gary Linekar - 44

...

Frank Lampard would also drop to 20 and Alan Shearer to just 24.

[TBW]

6 minutes ago, harrys said:

Jimmy Greave’s  record was something else, by far the most impressive figures

Nat Lofthouse's is better. 

[Tinmans Love Child]

16 minutes ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

If Owen would have stayed fit he would have beaten the record (49 at that time) I think, he was unreal when he came on the scene, another qualifying campaign and tournament would have seen him very close.  
 

He was done with England by the age of 28 and scored his last England goal in 2007 age 27!

https://www.englandstats.com/player.php?pid=1086
 

 

This england stats website is great, look at Owens top 10 England team mates based on appearances, not a bad line up!

[Roger Red Hat]

21 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said:

If any one had seen all those play

My money would be on them saying

Greaves and Charlton

For me Shearer and Lineker

I saw all 4 play, Greaves was exceptional.

[ExiledAjax]

Statistically I think Kane is the all-around greatest. I enjoyed watching prime-Owen more, but his numbers don't match Kane.

On the penalty point - you need to know how many each player attempted as well as scored, how many were awarded whilst the player was playing, and then adjusting it to a per game basis is probably necessary as well.

[2015]

38 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Michael Owen for me, Rooney and Kane are very close behind (I’m too young for Lineker and beyond).

Owen had something I’ve never seen anyone else in an England shirt do. Frightening pace, running in behind off the last man, tricky dribbler and a finisher.

Rooney was close but between injuries and discipline his prime years were a bit of a disappointment, he never went to a tournament in full fitness after 04 and then later on he changed his style.

Kane is world class in my opinion, but I can’t help but wonder what this team would look like with an Owen type player up front.

Owen was outstanding for England between 1998 and 2004. He got us out of jail on so many occasions, along with Beckham

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

10 minutes ago, TBW said:

Just checked.

WITHOUT PENALTIES:

Harry Kane - 36

Wayne Rooney - 46

Bobby Charlton - 46

Gary Linekar - 44

...

Frank Lampard would also drop to 20 and Alan Shearer to just 24.

I don't think Kane's achievement is diminished because he takes penalties. Penalties still have to be scored and I want my centre forward confidently stepping up to take them. 

Greaves and Owens records would almost certainly have been better had it not been for injuries. Would we have won the 66 World Cup with Greaves instead of Hurst? Maybe. 

Bobby Charlton's record is remarkable given it was mostly from midfield. Mind you, given that between 1962 and 1970 he was widely regarded as the best midfielder in the world, ghosted past other midfielders of the time as if they were standing still, and had a shot with the force of a cannon from either foot, perhaps not so surprising. He scored some wonderfully spectacular goals and it was reported (probably with some exaggeration) that when he scored the screamer against Mexico in 66, Mexico came to a standstill. Still arguably the greatest England player of all time. 

[22A]

1 hour ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Jimmy greaves is pretty impressive. 44 in 57.

John Atyeo five goals in six games; an even better ratio. The game he didn't score in ended 0-0.

[Bristol Rob]

Not on the list, but Brian Clough had a monster goals to games record. 

At Boro, 204 goals in 222 games and Sunderland 267 goals in 296 games. Unfortunately he never scored in his 2 England games.

As for the top goal scorer list, how many times did Lofthouse, Greaves and Lofhouse play San Marino? 

 

[REDOXO]

1 hour ago, Enclosure Old Timer said:

John Atyeo, 5 in 6 .

Including the goal that got England to the 58 World Cup in injury time in Dublin. 

[Davefevs]

1 minute ago, Bristol Rob said:

Not on the list, but Brian Clough had a monster goals to games record. 

At Boro, 204 goals in 222 games and Sunderland 267 goals in 296 games. Unfortunately he never scored in his 2 England games.

As for the top goal scorer list, how many times did Lofthouse, Greaves and Lofhouse play San Marino? 

 

That makes it read like Clough scored 471 goals…he didn’t!

That was his total.

I think the other thing is that all bar one came in the second flight.

[Midred]

2 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Not on the list, but Brian Clough had a monster goals to games record. 

At Boro, 204 goals in 222 games and Sunderland 267 goals in 296 games. Unfortunately he never scored in his 2 England games.

As for the top goal scorer list, how many times did Lofthouse, Greaves and Lofhouse play San Marino? 

 

Didn't realise that the Lofthouse twins both played for England 

[Super]

3 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said:

Not on the list, but Brian Clough had a monster goals to games record. 

At Boro, 204 goals in 222 games and Sunderland 267 goals in 296 games. Unfortunately he never scored in his 2 England games.

As for the top goal scorer list, how many times did Lofthouse, Greaves and Lofhouse play San Marino? 

 

Also not on the list Sir Geoff Hurst who scored our most important goals.

[Oh Louie louie]

Got to feel for lampard, he should be on 30, that one in South Africa against Germany was about a foot over the line

[Oh Louie louie]

I see woodwoods on the list, he scored a few, more often than not bet it was the equaliser..

[Port Said Red]

I love looking at old videos of Jimmy Greaves, he makes it look so easy on some appalling pitches. How bad Chelsea must have been for him to have scored 54 goals in two seasons and they didn't finish above 14th doesn't bear thinking about. He scored 4 goals on his debut alone.

I posted this on here before, maybe when he passed away, but it bears repeating. The whole of his Wikipedia page is a great read, but this section about his third season is remarkable.

"In the 1960–61 season, Greaves scored hat-tricks against Wolves, Blackburn Rovers and Manchester City; he scored four goals against Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest; and hit five goals in a 7–1 win over West Bromwich Albion. His hat-trick against Manchester City on 19 November included his 100th league goal, making him the youngest player to pass the 100-goal mark, at the age of 20 years and 290 days".

Absolute machine, much like Haaland now except he was in a very poor side. He scored all sorts of goals too.

https://youtu.be/vH7Zi3zUEJU

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by Port Said Red

[Red-Robbo]

2 hours ago, handsofclay said:

Steve Bloomer who doesn't quite make the list with 28 goals from 23 matches.

 

Indeed. They played a lot fewer internationals back then and you didn't get England meeting the likes of Albania, North Macedonia, Estonia and Malta in Bloomer's day. 

[handsofclay]

People might've scoffed earlier on regarding my suggestion of Steve Bloomer 28 goals in 23 appearances, probably thinking that comes from an era when it was easier to score. It wasn't. If anything it was harder. It was easier for defending sides to get offsides as it was before the rule change that reduced it from three to two defending players between the recipient of the ball and the goal. 

Also Derby County are the only club in the country whose record all-time goalscorer amassed his tally before WW1. If it was so easy to score back then lots of other clubs would also have set their goal-scoring records in the Edwardian era. 

To illustrate this, Bristol City played ten games, including replays, in the 1909 FA Cup campaign and scored 12 goals in those ten games. Hardly prolific goal-scoring in a very successful campaign. Yet Steve Bloomer was scoring at a greater rate than that for England every match in that era.

[Oh Louie louie]

There was a quiz question few weeks ago which ex Barnet Milan and spurs player won over seventy international caps. Thought it had to be Jimmy, was egdar davids

[Maltshoveller]

1 hour ago, TBW said:

Like to see this list without penalties. 

Penalties count as goals dont they?

[GrahamC]

11 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

I love looking at old videos of Jimmy Greaves, he makes it look so easy on some appalling pitches. How bad Chelsea must have been for him to have scored 54 goals in two seasons and they didn't finish above 14th doesn't bear thinking about. He scored 4 goals on his debut alone.

I posted this on here before, maybe when he passed away, but it bears repeating. The whole of his Wikipedia page is a great read, but this section about his third season is remarkable.

"In the 1960–61 season, Greaves scored hat-tricks against Wolves, Blackburn Rovers and Manchester City; he scored four goals against Newcastle United and Nottingham Forest; and hit five goals in a 7–1 win over West Bromwich Albion. His hat-trick against Manchester City on 19 November included his 100th league goal, making him the youngest player to pass the 100-goal mark, at the age of 20 years and 290 days".

Absolute machine, much like Haaland now except he was in a very poor side. He scored all sorts of goals too.

https://youtu.be/vH7Zi3zUEJU

 

Spot on.

Greaves joined AC Milan in 1961, at the height of Italian football being at its most ultra defensive.

He hated it there, didn’t get on with his coach & couldn’t wait to come home.

In his 10 league games for Milan he still scored 9, imagine how many he would have scored if he was in a good place & appreciated by his coach.

He is right up there with the most prolific scorers of all time, like Gerd Muller (68 goals in 62 games for West Germany) & Ferenc Puskas (84 in 85 for Hungary).

[tin]

I look at what were historically the strongest eras which, IMO, were the ‘80s to the ‘00s. The feats of Lineker and Shearer stand out. Shearer, especially before doing his ACL, was awesome. 

Way more internationals are played nowadays, way more penalties get given now than ever before, plus look at the likes of Italy, Brazil and Germany, all of whom were at their peak during those times and are a shadow of their best now.

It’s no coincidence IMO that Ronaldo (120) and Messi (99) are the highest international scorers ever during the present era. 

Edited March 24, 2023 by tin

[steviestevieneville]

2 hours ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Jimmy greaves is pretty impressive. 44 in 57.

Does my head in a bit that pre prem days get over looked a bit. Greaves & Nat lofthouse records are brilliant . Full credit to Kane , less than one in two is excellent & he’s a top striker . However we play a lot more internationals these days which doesn’t really give a fair reflection on the bygone eras 

[Red-Robbo]

3 minutes ago, tin said:

I look at what were historically the strongest eras which, IMO, were the ‘80s to the ‘00s. The feats of Lineker and Shearer stand out. Shearer, especially before doing his ACL, was awesome. 

Way more penalties get given now than ever before, plus look at the likes of Italy, Brazil and Germany, all of whom were at their peak during those times and are a shadow of their best now. 

 

Yes, to answer the question in the OP, I'd probably time travel a young Shearer and select him for the current England.

Lots of very good contenders for England's best ever have been mentioned, but I think AS would be more at home with the modern game than some of them. 

[shelts]

Well played Harry a fantastic achievement . My old man god bless him always said Jimmy Greaves was the best goal scorer he’d ever seen . That’ll do for me !!

[Super]

Edit

Edited March 24, 2023 by Super

[Malago]

2 hours ago, harrys said:

Jimmy Greave’s  record was something else, by far the most impressive figures

Nat Lofthouse with 30 in 33 is more impressive on a goals per game basis.

[MarcusX]

3 hours ago, Maltshoveller said:

Also Defenders can

(a) No longer defend properly

(B) Are not allowed to defend as football is becoming a none contact sport

I’m going to say something potentially divisive but I think the standard of defending is higher now generally. Defenders are more composed and can play even at “lower” international levels. The pace of the game is a lot quicker too so have to factor that in.

As for not allowed to defend, I think that’s a common trope that’s rubbish. What you don’t see so much of us CBs (in particular) putting in big tackles like they may have done (I’m think the likes of Terry, Campbell, Adams) and that’s because their positioning is generally much better.

Maldini I believe once said, if I have to make a tackle, I’ve already made a mistake.

[Tinmans Love Child]

3 hours ago, Davefevs said:

That makes it read like Clough scored 471 goals…he didn’t!

That was his total.

I think the other thing is that all bar one came in the second flight.

Whatever devision they were scored in, an unbelievable record, surprised he didn't get a move to top flight with those stats

[IAmNick]

46 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

I’m going to say something potentially divisive but I think the standard of defending is higher now generally. Defenders are more composed and can play even at “lower” international levels. The pace of the game is a lot quicker too so have to factor that in.

As for not allowed to defend, I think that’s a common trope that’s rubbish. What you don’t see so much of us CBs (in particular) putting in big tackles like they may have done (I’m think the likes of Terry, Campbell, Adams) and that’s because their positioning is generally much better.

Maldini I believe once said, if I have to make a tackle, I’ve already made a mistake.

Totally agree. Go back and watch a top flight game from the 60s on youtube and it's completely different - to the point a lot of it is barely comparable in my opinion. We'd be tearing our hair out these days at the control, speed, and passing of even the top clubs. It's almost impossible to compare players due to the fitness, conditions, and so on.

It'd be fascinating how some would get on now though. I suspect some wouldn't be near the top clubs as they just couldn't match the fitness requirements and would be highly skilled players in the other leagues. Some would still be there regardless of course and be great players even today.

I'd also question why penalties seem to be a sticking point - how about this... I believe that in the late 50s / early 60s the average goals per game was over 3.5, whereas from the 70s onwards it's been around 2.5. That's around 40% more goals in each game. Should we take that into consideration?

 

Edited March 24, 2023 by IAmNick

[TV Tom]

4 hours ago, TBW said:

Nat Lofthouse's is better. 

It is

[TV Tom]

1 hour ago, Malago said:

Nat Lofthouse with 30 in 33 is more impressive on a goals per game basis.

Can’t argue with that

[Lrrr]

Rooney in his prime, it’s just a shame his prime came at a younger age and wasn’t for a prolonged period.

Owen could have been devastating if not for injuries and in a team providing better chances though 

[The Bard]

5 hours ago, WECANDO said:

I think Charlton only scored 6 pens in his total but Kane has18.

The other consideration is that Charlton was a midfielder.  Comparable to Lampard rather than Owen  or Shearer.  That's what makes him our greatest ever player. Ramsey used him to keep Beckanbauer quiet in the 66 final.  

[Oh Louie louie]

On the subject of defender's Bobby Moore could have played in slippers and a blindfold, and still would have been better than harry m,

[Maltshoveller]

2 hours ago, MarcusX said:

I’m going to say something potentially divisive but I think the standard of defending is higher now generally. Defenders are more composed and can play even at “lower” international levels. The pace of the game is a lot quicker too so have to factor that in.

As for not allowed to defend, I think that’s a common trope that’s rubbish. What you don’t see so much of us CBs (in particular) putting in big tackles like they may have done (I’m think the likes of Terry, Campbell, Adams) and that’s because their positioning is generally much better.

Maldini I believe once said, if I have to make a tackle, I’ve already made a mistake.

Cant agree with all of what you have said

but Good post

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, Tinmans Love Child said:

Whatever devision they were scored in, an unbelievable record, surprised he didn't get a move to top flight with those stats

Yes, was pointing towards why he hardly got any England caps.  A fine record indeed.

[Red Shadow]

5 hours ago, REDOXO said:

Including the goal that got England to the 58 World Cup in injury time in Dublin. 

Pretty sure two City players played in that game. The other one was Dermot Curtis who was in the Irish team.

[DaveInSA]

I’m especially glad that Rooney is off the top.

I would take Greavesie over all of the others I think.

[spudski]

I saw this post today, and the comments below it. 

I know you can only score against what's put in front of you... however, it puts some stats into perspective.

 

[GrahamC]

33 minutes ago, spudski said:

I saw this post today, and the comments below it. 

I know you can only score against what's put in front of you... however, it puts some stats into perspective.

 

It’s not factually correct, for starters.

Some of his 18 penalties came against the sides that he’s listed, so he’s double counted them in order to make Kane look poorer.

Never trust someone (he’s a Liverpool fan) who does that.

I think it is very easy to argue players of previous eras played against fewer poorer sides, because frankly when the Soviet Union & Yugoslavia existed there were fewer European countries to start with, plus the San Marino’s, Gibraltar’s, Faroe Islands etc, didn’t play international football, but you lose credibility if you use incorrect information like this.

[grifty]

45 minutes ago, spudski said:

I saw this post today, and the comments below it. 

I know you can only score against what's put in front of you... however, it puts some stats into perspective.

 

No it doesn’t.

He is now England (men’s) top ever goal scorer. End of.

He’s not been proclaimed Englands top ever goal scorer against opposition people think are good, or Englands top ever goal scorer not including penalties.

If he had scored 55 penalties for England he would be Englands top ever goal scorer

If all 55 had come against San Marino, he would be Englands top ever goal scorer.

[Super]

Isn't it obvious that most goals will be scored against the lesser teams? Pretty sure the majority of Haaland's goals this season would be against team in the bottom half.

[glynriley]

19 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

It’s not factually correct, for starters.

Some of his 18 penalties came against the sides that he’s listed, so he’s double counted them in order to make Kane look poorer.

Never trust someone (he’s a Liverpool fan) who does that.

I think it is very easy to argue players of previous eras played against fewer poorer sides, because frankly when the Soviet Union & Yugoslavia existed there were fewer European countries to start with, plus the San Marino’s, Gibraltar’s, Faroe Islands etc, didn’t play international football, but you lose credibility if you use incorrect information like this.

Exactly. There were still poor sides around, they were just different to now.

Take Bobby Charlton for example. Scored 3 against USA in an 8-0 win, 3 against Luxemborg in a 9-0 win, 3 against Mexico in an 8-0 win, 3 against Switzerland in an 8-1 win. Add in home internationals every season.

Not to downplay Bobby Charlton's acheivements, because you can only score against the opposition you play, but there do seem a lot of people trying to denigrate Harry Kane.

 

Edited March 27, 2023 by glynriley

[Rob k]

Very difficult to compare eras, the Jimmy Greaves, etc back in the day would last about 10 mins in todays game as wouldnt be fit enough, so many variables to consider when saying who the best is.

[ChippenhamRed]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

I saw this post today, and the comments below it. 

I know you can only score against what's put in front of you... however, it puts some stats into perspective.

 

It doesn't put anything into perspective because it doesn't compare the stats with other successful international strikers from strong international teams - all of whom will naturally play most of their games against inferior opposition, because there are more qualifiers than there are finals matches - and even in finals, you play some very average teams in the early rounds.

The relative quality of opposition Kane has faced will be broadly the same for all of England's strikers down the years for this reason. Yet he has scored more than any of them, with a very healthy ratio. And he's also been our consistent number one pick up front during a relatively successful period for the national team, when we've reached a Euros final and a WC semi and quarter final. So if anything, he's playing the better teams more regularly and made a very important contribution to that success.

It's a great achievement, and I don't really understand why there seems to be a need to pick it apart, rather than simply celebrate it.

[Numero Uno]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

I saw this post today, and the comments below it. 

I know you can only score against what's put in front of you... however, it puts some stats into perspective.

 

I see the Donald Trump of BS7, Joey Barton, is jumping on this factually incorrect Bullshit Bandwagon now. How surprised I was to see that…..bloke scores 54 goals in eighty odd appearances and all you see are totally miserable bastards putting him down and not even able to do it with real facts.

[spudski]

47 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

It’s not factually correct, for starters.

Some of his 18 penalties came against the sides that he’s listed, so he’s double counted them in order to make Kane look poorer.

Never trust someone (he’s a Liverpool fan) who does that.

I think it is very easy to argue players of previous eras played against fewer poorer sides, because frankly when the Soviet Union & Yugoslavia existed there were fewer European countries to start with, plus the San Marino’s, Gibraltar’s, Faroe Islands etc, didn’t play international football, but you lose credibility if you use incorrect information like this.

 

39 minutes ago, grifty said:

No it doesn’t.

He is now England (men’s) top ever goal scorer. End of.

He’s not been proclaimed Englands top ever goal scorer against opposition people think are good, or Englands top ever goal scorer not including penalties.

If he had scored 55 penalties for England he would be Englands top ever goal scorer

If all 55 had come against San Marino, he would be Englands top ever goal scorer.

 

8 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I see the Donald Trump of BS7, Joey Barton, is jumping on this factually incorrect Bullshit Bandwagon now. How surprised I was to see that…..bloke scores 54 goals in eighty odd appearances and all you see are totally miserable bastards putting him down and not even able to do it with real facts.

I didn't say I agreed with the tweet. I was purely pointing out the thread and it's comments. 

The stats show he's England's top scorer. End of.

However...as shown on this thread and others, it causes debate. 

Kane has scored the most for England. 

People debate whether he's England's ' greatest ' goalscorer. 

Which is nigh on impossible to for everyone to agree on. 

[Super]

The idiot has spoken

 

 

 

 

 

 

Joey Barton

 

@Joey7Barton

 

 

People comparing Wayne Rooney and Harry Kane? WR in a completely different stratosphere. Levels and levels and levels above.

 

[GrahamC]

11 minutes ago, Super said:

The idiot has spoken

 

 

 

 

 

 

Joey Barton

 

@Joey7Barton

 

 

People comparing Wayne Rooney and Harry Kane? WR in a completely different stratosphere. Levels and levels and levels above.

 

Shouldn’t that **** be concentrating on trying to work out how to get points against the likes of Accrington Stanley, who have done the double over his shower this season?