Super Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 When can we expect Man City's punishment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityReds Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 That puts them 2 points from safety Farcical really given they should be in the Championship, without that spending it’s assured they would have gone down last year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackson Lamb Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 And all goes quiet on Man City and Chelsea… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, CityReds said: That puts them 2 points from safety Farcical really given they should be in the Championship, without that spending it’s assured they would have gone down last year I make it 5 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, CityReds said: That puts them 2 points from safety Farcical really given they should be in the Championship, without that spending it’s assured they would have gone down last year Exactly- hardly a punishment really . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Show Me The Money! Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 It's going to open a can of worms. There must be lots of teams who have broken FFP in the past and they've done nothing about it. Only now the government are threatening an independent body are they looking to show they can enforce the rules they setup. Bet Man City get away with nothing. Everton my second club so not views maybe as little biased On the plus side Everton are actually looking a reasonable team this year and with the 3 new teams really struggling it's probably a good year for them to get hit with this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 The points deduction means nothing as they’ll climb out soon again, what will be more interesting is if the effected clubs who lost out on PL survival as a result will try and take them to court over lost earnings suffered from relegation. The PL has effectively found them guilty. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 It's a landmark decision. I'm happy to see it but it should have been higher probably, Written Reasons will explain all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 In their angry response Everton at no point actually deny that they breached FFP. And if 777 Partners want to sue for damages I assume they would have to at least delay their takeover since the regs do not allow clubs to go to the Courts or CAS. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/nov/17/everton-deducted-10-points-premier-league-guilty-financial-fair-play-breach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityReds Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, pillred said: I make it 5 points. Everton now on 4, Luton on 6 but Everton have 9 goal advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, pillred said: I make it 5 points. They will be 2nd bottom 2 points behind 4th bottom Luton ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: Exactly- hardly a punishment really . If they are then relegated, how much will they receive in parachute payments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, The Coach said: And all goes quiet on Man City and Chelsea… Everton had one charge didn't they? Man City have a 100+? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 It's a landmark decision. I'm happy to see it but it should have been higher probably, Written Reasons https://www.premierleague.com/news/3788486 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, CityReds said: Everton now on 4, Luton on 6 but Everton have 9 goal advantage Yes, but Bournemouth are on 9 points and 3 go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: They will be 2nd bottom 2 points behind 4th bottom Luton ? No Bournemouth are 4th bottom on 9 points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Super said: Everton had one charge didn't they? Man City have a 100+? Quite, the Man City case is much more complex and the latest Chelsea stuff has only just come to light. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, pillred said: Yes, but Bournemouth are on 9 points and 3 go down. Luton 6 Sheff. U 5 Everton 4 Burnley 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fammyfan Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, pillred said: Yes, but Bournemouth are on 9 points and 3 go down Everton will go to 19th, putting Sheffield United up to 18th and Luton up to 17th Everton will be 2 points behind Luton, who as it stands, are in a position of safety 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityReds Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, pillred said: No Bournemouth are 4th bottom on 9 points. Not when the tables get updated, it will be as follows: 16th Bournemouth 9 points 17th Luton 6 points 18th Sheff Utd 5 points 19th Everton 4 points 20th Burnley 4 points Edited November 17, 2023 by CityReds Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Just now, Fammyfan said: Everton will go to 19th, putting Sheffield United up to 18th and Luton up to 17th Everton will be 2 points behind Luton, who as it stands, are in a position of safety Yes I see now of course everyone moves up one place (face palms himself :laugh:) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) They should have found a way to dock when Everton still on 7 pts. Big psychological difference tbh. Not saying it was a conspiracy but the timing was perhaps a bit favourable to Everton. Edited November 17, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, pillred said: Yes I see now of course everyone moves up one place (face palms himself :laugh:) Well, Burnley don't 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 This should have happened last season. The premier league dragged it out. They'd have been relegated last season if this didn't take so long. Can see the relegated clubs taking legal action against the premier league and or Everton now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fammyfan Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) It's a really lenient punishment for extreme losses, the punishment happens at a time where Everton can overcome the deduction in probably the weakest premiership league in recent years. It's frustrating that the punishment will not have the impact of warrants. Edited November 17, 2023 by Fammyfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 Seems the PL reject the concept of player trading related P&S exclusions. Over to you EFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Mint ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: This should have happened last season. The premier league dragged it out. They'd have been relegated last season if this didn't take so long. Can see the relegated clubs taking legal action against the premier league and or Everton now. They did more than drag it out, they told Burnley, Leeds and Leicester that Everton had not breached FFP. This late action is simply in support of the Premier League's continued lobbying to water down the powers of the Independent Regulator. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 If your Everton you just shut your mouth and get on with that - very lenient considering. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Seems the PL reject the concept of player trading related P&S exclusions. Over to you EFL? I’m not sure it does. The difference (£32.7m) between Everton’s £87.1m and PL’s view that it should be £120.8m suggests it could be anything. The transfer trading was £61m, so it’s not that, although it could be partly of that I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 30 minutes ago, 22A said: If they are then relegated, how much will they receive in parachute payments? No idea - guess that won’t change . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eardun Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, pillred said: Yes I see now of course everyone moves up one place (face palms himself :laugh:) To be fair to you, until they updated their article a few minutes ago, the BBC were also reporting that they were 5 points from safety so you were in good company! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, chinapig said: They did more than drag it out, they told Burnley, Leeds and Leicester that Everton had not breached FFP. This late action is simply in support of the Premier League's continued lobbying to water down the powers of the Independent Regulator. Aha I remember that now! There is going to be some lawyers rubbing their hands together right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sticks 1969 Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Rob k said: If your Everton you just shut your mouth and get on with that - very lenient considering. Unfortunately there are 3 teams much worse then them so they will probably still stay up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Tom Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 I find it bizarre why Everton are singled out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markthehorn Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, TV Tom said: I find it bizarre why Everton are singled out Man C will be punished at some point but probably got more lawyers on the case . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Markthehorn said: Man C will be punished at some point but probably got more lawyers on the case . When they are 12 points clear with 3 to play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I’m not sure it does. The difference (£32.7m) between Everton’s £87.1m and PL’s view that it should be £120.8m suggests it could be anything. The transfer trading was £61m, so it’s not that, although it could be partly of that I guess. I'll have to go back and re-read everything again later. On that particular issue though, it seemed to be Everton argued for it and PL against. There was multiple issues, the claim that was in some media back in June that it was just a minor tax issue seems to have been completely incorrect or false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Stone Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 53 minutes ago, The Coach said: And all goes quiet on Man City and Chelsea… Man City 115 cases apparently, they will be playing National league North at this rate 55 minutes ago, The Coach said: And all goes quiet on Man City and Chelsea… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swede Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 As much as it seems justified, for me it just goes to show how football finances are absolutely ruining the game. If Man City, as an example, are found to be be in breach then presumably they are stripped of their titles/Champions League win? Does this mean that Arsenal or whoever are beaten finalists or runners up are retrospective champions & what a hollow feeling that would be for all concerned. It would be a complete and utter shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slack Bladder Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 If you are to get a 10 point deduction, then this is probably the best season for it to happen With the 3 teams around them, they could've been given a 20 point deduction and still have a great chance of staying up. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: I'll have to go back and re-read everything again later. On that particular issue though, it seemed to be Everton argued for it and PL against. There was multiple issues, the claim that was in some media back in June that it was just a minor tax issue seems to have been completely incorrect or false. 8.41 onwards 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 10 points for a £19.5 million breach on a £105 million limits seems fair enough to me. The other published decision is interesting. Leeds, Forest, Southampton, Leicester and Burnley can in principle be awarded compensation by the Disciplinary Commission. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledAjax Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On current form that projects them to finish on 30 points. Perfectly capable of coming down to the banter division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, Davefevs said: 8.41 onwards Thanks Dave. I suppose my simplistic argument that this stage is that if a League say exclude Covid impairment and or hypothetical player trading costs from the P&S calculations does it tip a club over? Thinking of one or two clubs in particular. We are fine either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 34 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Thanks Dave. I suppose my simplistic argument that this stage is that if a League say exclude Covid impairment and or hypothetical player trading costs from the P&S calculations does it tip a club over? Thinking of one or two clubs in particular. We are fine either way. I guess in Everton’s case they didn’t feel the reasons / amounts were justified. Whereas EFL were happy with their own clubs (Stoke, etc)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I guess in Everton’s case they didn’t feel the reasons / amounts were justified. Whereas EFL were happy with their own clubs (Stoke, etc)? Trying to claim a covid loss on a player they were not willing to sell anyways is a bit scummy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 The reaction on SSN is a joke, basically trying everything they can to lean on saying Everton shouldn’t really have been punished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Swede said: As much as it seems justified, for me it just goes to show how football finances are absolutely ruining the game. If Man City, as an example, are found to be be in breach then presumably they are stripped of their titles/Champions League win? Does this mean that Arsenal or whoever are beaten finalists or runners up are retrospective champions & what a hollow feeling that would be for all concerned. It would be a complete and utter shambles. A bit like FFP VAR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I guess in Everton’s case they didn’t feel the reasons / amounts were justified. Whereas EFL were happy with their own clubs (Stoke, etc)? Stoke are the ones for me that look egregious. £60m of losses in 3 years, maybe Nottingham Forest maybe not. Suppose EFL or the other body can always review. Irrespective of the EFL though, this case these Written Reasons make the report in June that it was a tax issue look baffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Lrrr said: The reaction on SSN is a joke, basically trying everything they can to lean on saying Everton shouldn’t really have been punished Yep, agreed. Peter Reid and Michael Ball expressed various views and professed to be stunned a few weeks back. Carragher seems to have moaned as well. Edited November 17, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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pillred Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said: This could get very messy, I mean how many clubs might feel they have a case against Everton, a can of worms has well and truly been opened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, pillred said: This could get very messy, I mean how many clubs might feel they have a case against Everton, a can of worms has well and truly been opened. I would guess each of those relegated in the 3 year period 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, Lrrr said: The reaction on SSN is a joke, basically trying everything they can to lean on saying Everton shouldn’t really have been punished I think the punishment is quite lenient considering they enjoyed an advantage for 4 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rob k said: If your Everton you just shut your mouth and get on with that - very lenient considering. They will appeal of course, they have already expressed that they're stunned and how unfair it all is etc. Some of that could be performative, siege mentality etc. https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3788440/club-statement I certainly have no sympathy. Edited November 17, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 31 minutes ago, Lrrr said: I would guess each of those relegated in the 3 year period The clubs can try but they won't get anywhere. Everton are responsible for the breach of FFP but they're not responsible for the inadequate system that failed to deduct points and relegate them in the years past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayne allisons tongues Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Isn’t the finding till the end of the 2021-22 season. Surely Leicester can’t sue for they went down following season. Wouldn’t club who finished 18th only have a case for 2 below would still be relegated, Burnley, Fulham, Bournemouth 18th 3 seasons impacted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 1 minute ago, wayne allisons tongues said: Isn’t the finding till the end of the 2021-22 season. Surely Leicester can’t sue for they went down following season. Wouldn’t club who finished 18th only have a case for 2 below would still be relegated, Burnley, Fulham, Bournemouth 18th 3 seasons impacted. Burnley if that is the one. Burnley verbatim and Leeds for Prize Money gap between 16th and 17th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 41 minutes ago, pillred said: This could get very messy It won't. It has already been determined that the PL Disciplinary Commission can award compensation to clubs in respect of Everton's breach. There will be one hearing (with lots of parties) and a decision will be made. The PL rules prohibit PL clubs suing each other in court over such matters. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hxj Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Some of that could be performative, siege mentality etc. This is the only interesting part of the statement - take care we are watching you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 Rather typically some if their voices say how 'unfair' it all is. Parry is a fan but journalist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 Sorry for the source. The Sun in their usual excitable way, saying there is a chance Man City and Chelsea could be relegated . Which would be funny, specially if we were able to take advantage of those spots. CHELSEA and Manchester City face the threat of RELEGATION, according to a former financial advisor to the Etihad club. Everton were slapped with a shock ten-point deduction for a single breach of the Premier League's profit and sustainability Financial Fair Play rules. The Toffees are the first team to be docked points for breaking FFP regulations in the Premier League. And now it is understood both Chelsea and City could be in serious trouble. City were hit with a mammoth 115 charges of FFP breaches by the Premier League last season. The club continue to protest their innocence and are launching a major legal defence case to fight the Premier League. Chelsea, meanwhile, are under the microscope for payments related to former owner Roman Abramovich. And now Stefan Borson, a legal expert, believes both clubs could be booted out of the top flight. Borson tweeted: "Without seeing the judgement/award -10 points for Everton feels harsh for a straightforward FFP breach to me. "But reinforces that sanctions against City [if proven] and now Chelsea [if charged and admitted on the off-books payments] will be potentially relegation inducing. "One thing is for sure, given the scale of this sporting sanction, Chelsea's calculus (in my opinion) that they could breach Premier League profit and sustainability and just take a fine as a cost of doing business, must be in urgent and immediate reconsideration. "The January window may be interesting. Even in the best case, they can no longer rely on being able to convince an Independent Commission to accept their Covid and Sanctions allowances as exceptional adjustments (to the extent that was the plan)." Manchester City were subject to a four-year investigation looking into their finances from 2009 to 2018 and were also charged for their lack of cooperation. Premier League lawyers believe City refused to disclose the true source of their revenues by claiming they were from sponsors against the backdrop of the club’s Abu Dhabi owners. City are also accused of paying a significant portion of ex-manager Roberto Mancini’s salary through an Abu Dhabi shell company and hiding that. Chelsea, meanwhile, were fined £8.6million by Uefa for FFP breaches during the Abramovich reign and the Premier League are still examining the 2012 to 2019 period to see if they broke league rules. But this week news emerged that further punishment could be in store for the Blues after leaked documents appeared to reveal the Russian billionaire broke rules. It is suggested off-the-books funds from a third-party hidden money trail could land the West Londoners in hot water. Although if found guilty, this would more likely to land Chelsea with a fine rather than a points deduction as the payments in question are not related to FFP regulations. Chelsea have been on a bonkers spending spree that has seen more than £1billion splashed on new transfers in just three windows since Todd Boehly bought the club last year. 'SWEATING PROFUSELY' SunSport's chief sports reporter Martin Lipton told talkSPORT Chelsea and Manchester City will be "sweating profusely" following Everton's points deduction. He said: "There are 115 charges against City being denied and they claim they have a solid case. "Chelsea have opened their books and admitted their breaches. "With Chelsea, lots of the allegations come before FFP rules came in. "The obvious expectation will be a points deduction but it will likely be relegation for City if they are found guilty. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/24771750/chelsea-man-city-relegation-guilty-ffp-everton-points/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballfacebook171123&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0q_KkiKD-heGr0h7GouiolIj7xkkkto6C4KLimPW1OsopX-ezm8dq_2To#Echobox=1700228738 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Swede said: As much as it seems justified, for me it just goes to show how football finances are absolutely ruining the game. If Man City, as an example, are found to be be in breach then presumably they are stripped of their titles/Champions League win? Does this mean that Arsenal or whoever are beaten finalists or runners up are retrospective champions & what a hollow feeling that would be for all concerned. It would be a complete and utter shambles. Immediately I thought of the Juventus match fixing scandle from the mid 2000's. If you look at the league history, you'll see it says "not awarded". Probably because Milan finished 2nd and they were involved in it as well. However, the year after when Juventus were relegated despite finishing first, inter were awarded the title and the league will show juventus relegated on 91 points. That's a rarity. They didn't deduct points. The authorities just outright relegated them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Hxj said: This is the only interesting part of the statement - take care we are watching you! Yes, that's the one bit I do agree with Everton on. There are a few clubs I wonder about.. Precedent set, some form of loose Sanctioning guidelines albeit not as prescriptive as the EFL ones. Think it mentioned 6 points for being £5m or above over. Edited November 17, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: Sorry for the source. The Sun in their usual excitable way, saying there is a chance Man City and Chelsea could be relegated . Which would be funny, specially if we were able to take advantage of those spots. CHELSEA and Manchester City face the threat of RELEGATION, according to a former financial advisor to the Etihad club. Everton were slapped with a shock ten-point deduction for a single breach of the Premier League's profit and sustainability Financial Fair Play rules. The Toffees are the first team to be docked points for breaking FFP regulations in the Premier League. And now it is understood both Chelsea and City could be in serious trouble. City were hit with a mammoth 115 charges of FFP breaches by the Premier League last season. The club continue to protest their innocence and are launching a major legal defence case to fight the Premier League. Chelsea, meanwhile, are under the microscope for payments related to former owner Roman Abramovich. And now Stefan Borson, a legal expert, believes both clubs could be booted out of the top flight. Borson tweeted: "Without seeing the judgement/award -10 points for Everton feels harsh for a straightforward FFP breach to me. "But reinforces that sanctions against City [if proven] and now Chelsea [if charged and admitted on the off-books payments] will be potentially relegation inducing. "One thing is for sure, given the scale of this sporting sanction, Chelsea's calculus (in my opinion) that they could breach Premier League profit and sustainability and just take a fine as a cost of doing business, must be in urgent and immediate reconsideration. "The January window may be interesting. Even in the best case, they can no longer rely on being able to convince an Independent Commission to accept their Covid and Sanctions allowances as exceptional adjustments (to the extent that was the plan)." Manchester City were subject to a four-year investigation looking into their finances from 2009 to 2018 and were also charged for their lack of cooperation. Premier League lawyers believe City refused to disclose the true source of their revenues by claiming they were from sponsors against the backdrop of the club’s Abu Dhabi owners. City are also accused of paying a significant portion of ex-manager Roberto Mancini’s salary through an Abu Dhabi shell company and hiding that. Chelsea, meanwhile, were fined £8.6million by Uefa for FFP breaches during the Abramovich reign and the Premier League are still examining the 2012 to 2019 period to see if they broke league rules. But this week news emerged that further punishment could be in store for the Blues after leaked documents appeared to reveal the Russian billionaire broke rules. It is suggested off-the-books funds from a third-party hidden money trail could land the West Londoners in hot water. Although if found guilty, this would more likely to land Chelsea with a fine rather than a points deduction as the payments in question are not related to FFP regulations. Chelsea have been on a bonkers spending spree that has seen more than £1billion splashed on new transfers in just three windows since Todd Boehly bought the club last year. 'SWEATING PROFUSELY' SunSport's chief sports reporter Martin Lipton told talkSPORT Chelsea and Manchester City will be "sweating profusely" following Everton's points deduction. He said: "There are 115 charges against City being denied and they claim they have a solid case. "Chelsea have opened their books and admitted their breaches. "With Chelsea, lots of the allegations come before FFP rules came in. "The obvious expectation will be a points deduction but it will likely be relegation for City if they are found guilty. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/24771750/chelsea-man-city-relegation-guilty-ffp-everton-points/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunfootballfacebook171123&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0q_KkiKD-heGr0h7GouiolIj7xkkkto6C4KLimPW1OsopX-ezm8dq_2To#Echobox=1700228738 Chelsea are interesting on two levels. This stiff now is historic, the stuff about Eto'o etc but that needs to firstly be amankyzex then tested vs their headroom in all of the complaint to date years and if it tips over, retrospective charges announced. They also could breach in the more conventional way. ie £115m pre tax in 2021-22 then the huge subsequent spending spree and missing Europe will have hit the finances badly surely, the hiding and firing of managers etc. Abramovich may have written off £2bn but even if it appears in Profit/Loss Before Tax, it won't be reflected in P&S returns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 25 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: They will appeal of course, they have already expressed that they're stunned and how unfair it all is etc. Some of that could be performative, siege mentality etc. https://www.evertonfc.com/news/3788440/club-statement I certainly have no sympathy. What's unfair is that they tried to claim that the transfer levy was an expenditure on youth development. Totally outrageous claim by them. They were also warned by the premier league about their spending and still continued in the hope they could sell players on for a profit. It backfired on them. They need to stop crying about Man City. Accept fault and deal with the consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 The biggest joke is allowing clubs to lose up to £105m in 3 years!!!!! For me ether let clubs spend what ever they want or no loses what so ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted November 17, 2023 Author Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: What's unfair is that they tried to claim that the transfer levy was an expenditure on youth development. Totally outrageous claim by them. They were also warned by the premier league about their spending and still continued in the hope they could sell players on for a profit. It backfired on them. They need to stop crying about Man City. Accept fault and deal with the consequences. Yeah. They did take it easy in summer 2021 tbh under Benitez but this went by January! Sacked Benitez, hired Lampard- sold Digne yes but in came Mykolenko, Patterson plus loans for Van Der Beek, Alli, El Ghazi Imagine if that was a Championship club! They then only sold Richarlison at end if June after retaining his talent for the rest of the season. They really should have been docked last year. Edited November 17, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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