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Mr Popodopolous

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Surprised no thread yet.

Foden out, Maddison starts. 4-3-3 which is good.would like to see Toney start at some point, maybe vs Macedonia is one or if we're 2 or 3 up in this one give him a proper run.

Challenge on Kane seen them given but not stonewall.

Ukraine are no mugs though and I expect they will as they have been competent in possession and able to play on the break.

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2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Surprised no thread yet.

Foden out, Maddison starts. 4-3-3 which is good.would like to see Toney start at some point, maybe vs Macedonia is one or if we're 2 or 3 up in this one give him a proper run.

Challenge on Kane seen them given but not stonewall.

Rather see Maddison central rather than cutting in.

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4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

When all fit I wonder could Foden play as part of a central 3 with say Bellingham and Rice or would this be entirely round holes and square pegs.

Maddison central- who drops out or is it a new shape?

Tweak, 4 2 3 1, can effectively be 4 4 1 1. Can do with players on the pitch now. Full backs push up on attacks.

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2 minutes ago, spudski said:

This is like watching one of those Celeb games...dire, atmosphere and pedestrian football. 

England have a habit of playing to the level of their opponents. Today it seems that's the case. 

Against someone there is more expectation, we drop into that slow , plodding football. It's why I tend not to worry about watching. I have this on, but settling in to a slow paced game that may come alive if they tire . I usually have it on the laptop and keep one eye on it to save the boredom.

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6 minutes ago, spudski said:

This is like watching one of those Celeb games...dire, atmosphere and pedestrian football. 

England have a habit of playing to the level of their opponents. Today it seems that's the case. 

The problem now is that qualification is more or less a given, especially after beating Italy. Southgate won’t play this team in a million years at a tournament. 
Makes it boring 

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1 minute ago, 1960maaan said:

Against someone there is more expectation, we drop into that slow , plodding football. It's why I tend not to worry about watching. I have this on, but settling in to a slow paced game that may come alive if they tire . I usually have it on the laptop and keep one eye on it to save the boredom.

Yes...it's on in the back ground. Id fall asleep if I was glued to it. In saying that...the lovely Argentinian Malbec I have on the go will probably have the same affect ??

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5 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Against someone there is more expectation, we drop into that slow , plodding football. It's why I tend not to worry about watching. I have this on, but settling in to a slow paced game that may come alive if they tire . I usually have it on the laptop and keep one eye on it to save the boredom.

Ukraine are a reasonable side tbh. Shouldn't be taken so lightly.

I expect us to win but should be a competitive game.

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11 minutes ago, Rob k said:

The problem now is that qualification is more or less a given, especially after beating Italy. Southgate won’t play this team in a million years at a tournament. 
Makes it boring 

I suppose a difference is that in a major tournament there are two different factors.

1) You might be playing one of the top 5-10 sides, some caution is inevitable.  Ukraine are okay but not of the level of say late 1990s to late 2000s.

2) Major tournament, different heat and humidity, a high tempo approach can bring its own issues.

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11 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Ukraine are a reasonable side tbh. Shouldn't be taken so lightly.

I expect us to win but should be a competitive game.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not running them down. But the more possession we are allowed, the slower we seem to play, which can make it a hard watch. Those little burst of tempo and we look decent. Plus , when we play slower we seem to allow decent chances .
At 2-0 Ukraine have a decision to make, if they do come out and try and get back into it, there could be gaps.

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I guess the atmosphere was always going to be like that v Ukraine. Not a team you would get fired up playing against at the moment because of the obvious. It had the feeling of a friendly about it.

I hope we don't get complacent with the next few games. Italy could beat us at home again, didn't North Macedonia beat them in the WC qualifiers?

Yes we should be fine but when games don't go to plan A that is when Southgate just struggles a bit. Such a strong squad, some top quality players and he has them working well together.

If we could top the group early he could give more time to the likes if Gallagher and Toney to build experience rather than the odd 10 minutes here and there.

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10 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

I guess the atmosphere was always going to be like that v Ukraine. Not a team you would get fired up playing against at the moment because of the obvious. It had the feeling of a friendly about it.

I hope we don't get complacent with the next few games. Italy could beat us at home again, didn't North Macedonia beat them in the WC qualifiers?

Yes we should be fine but when games don't go to plan A that is when Southgate just struggles a bit. Such a strong squad, some top quality players and he has them working well together.

If we could top the group early he could give more time to the likes if Gallagher and Toney to build experience rather than the odd 10 minutes here and there.

We are pretty much done as top two go to euros. We’ve won 2 of the 4 tough games and looked very comfortable today. We will qualify. 

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2 hours ago, E.G.Red said:

Nice to see that the Bristol City banner  has got prominent visibility 

So I overheard the guys next to me point this out, obviously asked if they were City fans… nope, all rovers. What are the chances they asked… I know, especially as there’s so few of you I answered ?

One was keen to correct me on the way out that they weren’t all rovers, he was Southampton!

They had a weird obsession with Henderson, I assumed they didn’t rate him and were taking the piss. You’ll be surprised to know they made several questionable comments, they probably don’t get to see this passing on the deck stuff often.

As for the game thought it as a typical performance against weaker opposition at Wembley. Never really in doubt and 2 decent goals (that pass from Kane to Saka for the first was KDB esque.

Atmosphere at Wembley is trash for these games, too many paper airplanes, Mexican waves and people getting food and drink every 5 minutes. I think we need to go back to playing around the country more.

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26 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

.Atmosphere at Wembley is trash for these games, too many paper airplanes, Mexican waves and people getting food and drink every 5 minutes. I think we need to go back to playing around the country more.

This definitely needs to happen. I think we'd also raise the tempo against the opposition if we were playing at the likes of Elland Road and Old Trafford

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