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10 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

I think it was more what he didn't say.

Most recognise that NP has done a good job in clearing up the mess created by SL and MA, but SL bigs up Mark Robins at Coventry and the job he's done whilst ignoring NPs input here other than saying we should have had more points and further up the table (not necessarily in that interview) and his son said the same. They are on a different page to NP imo.

 

The Lansdowns are always on a different page, look where that’s got us on the pitch in the last two decades? Two arrogant, ignorant buffons when it comes to football IMO. 

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1 minute ago, Roger Red Hat said:

Luigi has a brother?

Sorry, Rog. The toddler woke me up at 4.23am. I’m still waiting for the caffeine to kick in now! Of course I meant buffoons, sure you got the gist ??

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15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Looks like Nige has told him a few home truths over his term here…and he didn’t take too kindly to it.

When NP was appointed I remember thinking, well that's great for the club but I'm surprised that SL hasn't gone for a more, shall we say, diplomatic manager (ie soft touch).

Their personalities were always going to clash. To SL's credit though, he stuck with NP after the poor end to the Holden season when he could have gone another way. He stuck with him during the bout of long covid and seems from the outside to have supported many of NP's suggestions, such as changes to coaching staff and releasing players from contracts. I doubt NP has had carte blanched but he doesn't come across as shackled in any way.

So maybe it is an unlikely combination that actually works?

Having said that, speaking of diplomacy, there was absolutely no need for SL to publicly reference any disagreements. What's the point? What could be gained. He's an odd communicator.

Circling back to the topic, I wonder how aligned the two are on the Scott situation...

 

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15 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Yep, and so had forest and bournemouth!

The two cases were very different. I'll explain a bit. The rules have been evolving every few years too.

Nottingham Forest

May or may not have breached in the 3 year Period ending 2022 last year, it's hard to say. My view is that there is perhaps a case to answer owing to excessive Covid losses in 2021-22 especially, but in 2017 when Marinakis took over there was a debt write off.

This does not count towards FFP save for possible interest on said debt- that bit does go through Profit and Loss and if interest of say £2m per year on the debt that is a cost saving of £2m per year orwards FFP. £6m in 3 years means £6m more room to breathe.

Nottingham Forest had also been under embargo for some time under the old owner and this naturally restricted spending which freed up some headroom for a new owner.

Bournemouth

Under the old 1 year rule where it was a fine if promoted in breach or a transfer embargo from the January window of the following year, Bournemouth in 2015 as did Leicester in 2014 and QPR in 2014 all went up in breach. The League only discovered this in December of the following season, too late!

The PL cash and Parachute Payments kept Bournemouth narrowly compliant to 2022 plus it is worth noting that each PL season has an extra £22m on top of each £13m loss provided the equity is there. ie PL-PL-Champ is £35m-£35m-£13m..£83m it is!

Covid complicated this further and it is over 4 years but divided by 3...to 2021, 2022, 2023.

£35m + £35m + £13m + £13m=£96m..£96m/4 x 3. Oh and 2019-20 and 2020-21 aggregated and halved. Bournemouth therefore but not  by much fall within the £72m.

As for the expenditure post change of owners I believe the Bournemouth owner was priming them for takeover a bit. The new owner inherits the FFP position left by the old, they are still working towards £72m losses but next season it will be £83m.

Changes and evolution to the FFP regs

Bits of this are still to be tested fully. However from say 2013-14 to 2015-16 it was one year rule only and purely retrospective.

In 2016-17 the wider range of sanctions came in as voted for by the clubs and one year became 3. 2014-15 and 2015-16 were added to 2016-17 and what was lost in the last two became the new 3 year rule. If exceeding £13m, then 2016-17 was reset to £13m if newly relegated PL losses fed in etc.

As we know more sanctions and more real time.

During Covid and in the aftermath there were a number of regulatory changes again voted on, which directly impacted FFP rules.

1) New Owner must as part of Owners and Directors Test must demonstrate how they will comply with FFP. It must be incorporated into their Business Plan, this arose in 2020. Think over the following two years. The new owner must also acceed to the League having such monitoring powers as it sees fit in order to ensure compliance wirh all applicable financial regs including FFP.

2) There is a section in the FFP rules, voted in as part of Covid reforms which makes allowance for Covid losses across 2019-20, 2020-21 and 2021-22 which gives the League stronger monitoring requirements.

As well as the "If FFP losses fall between £15-39m then the club must submit by end of March, the following two years of Projected financials including FFP expectations" there is a section that gives the opportunity for the League and club to work together on a Business Plan or similar to control expenditure etc. In other words, to prevent a breach before it happens.

If in the reasonable opinion of the League a club is set to breach one year down the line then they can impose such monitoring requirements as they see fit to assist the club in not doing so! A new owner shouldn't chsnge this fact. There is even the possibility to go two years down the line with this but it is quite rare and unusual probably

What I would question is whether we have been treated not equally as such but equitably by the League looking at the relative freedom of some other clubs.

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13 hours ago, Dr Balls said:

To be fair to Robins, I don’t think anyone  on here would have picked them as playoff contenders at the beginning of the season, or even 10 games in. What he has done is improve Coventry every year, despite all the challenges, and been given a bit of time to do it as they moved from League 2 to the brink of the Premiership.  

Nige is 2 years into sorting out our club, and other than the wobble around Christmas, we were never really in relegation troubles. He has cleared out a lot of high wage players, brought through a lot of youngsters, and put us back on a much more even keel than the shambles he inherited from Holden, Johnson and Ashton. One was out of his depth, while the less said about the other two the better. We now play a brand of football than is more exciting than the terminally boring last few years of Johnson and the truly dire under Holden.

Thought Holden caretaker stint and first 10-11 League games and few Cup was overall okay tbh.

The turning point in that regard came in victory at Cardiff. Early goal by Martin..then we were just hanging on! Beating Cardiff away well we'll take it but his whole style seemed to change from then onwards for the most part- odd alright performance here and there but not really.

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33 minutes ago, Taunton_BCFC said:

I notice on England duty he seems to hang around with Alfie Devine. I reckon Scott will end up at spurs 

Alex said recently that Devine was his best mate in the England squad.

As to Spurs they don't have a Sporting Director or a Manager so who knows what will happen?

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A lot of talk on Twitter today from various Liverpool accounts saying they are and have been playing close attention to Alex.

maybe suggest if he plays well for the u20s they might come in for him? Nothing confirmed but something to think about.

Is a rebuilding Liverpool the right fit for our 19 year old maestro? 

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9 minutes ago, George Rs said:

A lot of talk on Twitter today from various Liverpool accounts saying they are and have been playing close attention to Alex.

maybe suggest if he plays well for the u20s they might come in for him? Nothing confirmed but something to think about.

Is a rebuilding Liverpool the right fit for our 19 year old maestro? 

Liverpool definitely need to rebuild their midfield, but could be to much of responsibility to put on the shoulders of a 19 year old. Not impossible if they see him as a player for the next 10 years, but suspect they are more likely to spend quite a bit more for already established players - MacAllister heavily rumoured and he's a World Cup Winner ( I know Alex is but that wasn't the big one)

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2 minutes ago, downendcity said:

Liverpool definitely need to rebuild their midfield, but could be to much of responsibility to put on the shoulders of a 19 year old. Not impossible if they see him as a player for the next 10 years, but suspect they are more likely to spend quite a bit more for already established players - MacAllister heavily rumoured and he's a World Cup Winner ( I know Alex is but that wasn't the big one)

Agreed, think they will see at least 3 midfield incomings, could easily see him getting the same treatment as djed spence at spurs. 

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1 hour ago, George Rs said:

A lot of talk on Twitter today from various Liverpool accounts saying they are and have been playing close attention to Alex.

maybe suggest if he plays well for the u20s they might come in for him? Nothing confirmed but something to think about.

Is a rebuilding Liverpool the right fit for our 19 year old maestro? 

Well they signed a raw Jordan Henderson when he was 21 with about 80 league games for Sunderland and Coventry (on loan).

Alex has nearly a hundred first team games so maybe a year or two less will actually be a benefit to Liverpool.

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On 14/05/2023 at 19:45, Port Said Red said:

And Reading and Sheff Wednesday and Bolton and WIgan and and and and ....

 

On 14/05/2023 at 20:56, redkev said:

I will chuck Derby in the pot too , that not worked out has it chucking money at it , very nearly disastrous consequences 

I don't think you are meant to mention clubs that have failed when they have thrown money at it, or mention clubs that were doing better than us, who have then got themselves in a terrible mess by throwing money at it, and even got relegated - these clubs simply don't count when it comes to comparisons with us and Lansdown.

This argument only works one way when it comes to "Lansdown needs to go" or "Lansdown is clueless". You need to find a club that has done exceptionally well (one who has done a lot better than us), so someone like Brighton, and then simply claim we should be them because they have done it, but you CANNOT mention Reading, Wigan, Bolton, Derby etc etc.

That's the rules on here....
 

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I only add the least respected rumour monger on Twitter for a couple of reasons. Liverpool have been mentioned and it got me thinking to the last transfer from us to Liverpool.
The only one I can think of is Peter Spiring. Admittedly my memory is shocking so, anyone else think of another.Screenshot2023-05-18at09_01_58.png.2292591fe49010d13c4e3be53e48d8f3.png

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3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I only add the least respected rumour monger on Twitter for a couple of reasons. Liverpool have been mentioned and it got me thinking to the last transfer from us to Liverpool.
The only one I can think of is Peter Spiring. Admittedly my memory is shocking so, anyone else think of another.Screenshot2023-05-18at09_01_58.png.2292591fe49010d13c4e3be53e48d8f3.png

Herbie Kane?

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On 14/05/2023 at 17:17, Merrick's Marvels said:

If Coventry go up via the playoffs, they'll more than likely struggle. Club's often do daft things in their desperation to stay up and I could see Coventry doing just that and sacking Robins as they fight to avoid relegation. 

Leaving Steve Lansdown's favourite manager unemployed just as Nige comes to the end of his contract.... 

Previously they sold Highfield Road to spend money on players to try and survive, they then also sold their stake in the Ricoh to also fund transfers to try and survive. Those daft decisions led to decades of turmoil. 

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3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I only add the least respected rumour monger on Twitter for a couple of reasons. Liverpool have been mentioned and it got me thinking to the last transfer from us to Liverpool.
The only one I can think of is Peter Spiring. Admittedly my memory is shocking so, anyone else think of another.Screenshot2023-05-18at09_01_58.png.2292591fe49010d13c4e3be53e48d8f3.png

Herbie Kane would've been the last one and it's good to see our good old friend Roy saying this is going to happen.

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6 minutes ago, BetterRedthanBlue said:

Herbie Kane would've been the last one and it's good to see our good old friend Roy saying this is going to happen.

I had forgotten him, but I was thinking first teamers . Kane was 14/15 ? 

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59 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I only add the least respected rumour monger on Twitter for a couple of reasons. Liverpool have been mentioned and it got me thinking to the last transfer from us to Liverpool.
The only one I can think of is Peter Spiring. Admittedly my memory is shocking so, anyone else think of another.Screenshot2023-05-18at09_01_58.png.2292591fe49010d13c4e3be53e48d8f3.png

ahhh Roy, thats scotts new 5 year deal confirmed then

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1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

I only add the least respected rumour monger on Twitter for a couple of reasons. Liverpool have been mentioned and it got me thinking to the last transfer from us to Liverpool.
The only one I can think of is Peter Spiring. Admittedly my memory is shocking so, anyone else think of another.Screenshot2023-05-18at09_01_58.png.2292591fe49010d13c4e3be53e48d8f3.png

Mike Hooper, goalkeeper, a local lad, moved to Liverpool but it was via a spell at Wrexham.

Mid 1980's

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I’m torn between wanting Alex to be MotM in every game as England win the WC to take the fee north of £30m and wanting him to just have solid under-the-radar performances (whilst England still win the WC) in the slight hope we get one more year in the Championship.

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21 hours ago, downendcity said:

Liverpool definitely need to rebuild their midfield, but could be to much of responsibility to put on the shoulders of a 19 year old. Not impossible if they see him as a player for the next 10 years, but suspect they are more likely to spend quite a bit more for already established players - MacAllister heavily rumoured and he's a World Cup Winner ( I know Alex is but that wasn't the big one)

A World Cup hasn't been graced by Alex's presence just yet.   A Europe cup has, and he won that (U-19).  I understand other players were also involved.

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2 hours ago, cidered abroad said:

Mike Hooper, goalkeeper, a local lad, moved to Liverpool but it was via a spell at Wrexham.

Mid 1980's

I did double check Hooper as I couldn't remember if he went to Liverpool straight from us or not....... Not 

1 hour ago, Ian M said:

I’m torn between wanting Alex to be MotM in every game as England win the WC to take the fee north of £30m and wanting him to just have solid under-the-radar performances (whilst England still win the WC) in the slight hope we get one more year in the Championship.

I'm resigned to losing him, so ....

Win the World Cup , Man of the Tournament & MotM most games and then we get £40M and a loan back :thumbsup:

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57 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

I did double check Hooper as I couldn't remember if he went to Liverpool straight from us or not....... Not 

I'm resigned to losing him, so ....

Win the World Cup , Man of the Tournament & MotM most games and then we get £40M and a loan back :thumbsup:

I’m more inclined to go with the second under the radar option, we get promoted in 23/24, Alex now signs a new deal with us to continue playing with his best mate Tommy in the PL, gets called up to the Senior side and wins the 26 World Cup forming a midfield 3 with Rice and Bellingham. ?

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1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

I did double check Hooper as I couldn't remember if he went to Liverpool straight from us or not....... Not 

I'm resigned to losing him, so ....

Win the World Cup , Man of the Tournament & MotM most games and then we get £40M and a loan back :thumbsup:

Dont forget that he ought to be made captain and gets to lift the trophy too!

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5 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Dont forget that he ought to be made captain and gets to lift the trophy too!

AND because he is extra special, the England side all have to wear shirts made by Nike or whoever it is that makes them, except Alex, who is allowed to play in an O'Neils shirt.

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On the fee front.

Joao Pedro albeit a striker and with some PL experience to Brighton- a reported £30m. Watford have Parachute Payments which means they can hold out a bit.

Gykores if Coventry stay down albeit a striker again- touted for up to £25m.

Basically what is Scott worth in the summer 2023 market, there is a potential and a reported actual fee although again both strikers. Collins was £10-12m at Stoke in 2021 and Souttar £15m this January. Whereas Semenyo £10-12m in January was it 

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10 minutes ago, OliOTIB said:

With reference to one of my previous posts on this thread, this ones even better ?

They're too late, Alex is going to Ipswich for £5m plus.?

For heaven's sake it's been all over the media how highly rated Alex is by many Prem clubs and we have gone public on our valuation. What on earth makes idiots like this come up with such garbage?

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6 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said:

He’s on a wind up. 

In which case you'd think he would at least know that Diallo isn't a Sunderland player! Or is that supposed to be part of the wind up? Too clever for me if so.

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4 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

If baz bannan was on a free id drive to wednesday tomorrow to put him in boot..... 

I'd support us signing Barry Bannan, solely so that we could create a Barry Bannan sub-forum to distract a certain member from the rest of the forum.

 

*This would only be bettered if Danny Wilson signed on as a coach.

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3 hours ago, chinapig said:

In which case you'd think he would at least know that Diallo isn't a Sunderland player! Or is that supposed to be part of the wind up? Too clever for me if so.

300k for Bali Mumba from Plymouth would be great business for them since he`s on loan from Norwich.

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