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29 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Don’t think they’ll ever materialise if I’m being honest!

Webster won't be leaving Brighton I would think.  The basis of their success for 3 years has been him and Dunk and they know it.  Likes of Cucarella, Ben White etc have done very little in comparison to those 2 but Brighton brilliantly exploited that and silly money, especially for Cucarella.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Don’t think they’ll ever materialise if I’m being honest!

Unfortunately, for City’s finances (selfishly) rather than the players’ careers/own finances, I suspect you are quite correct.

Webster may move on, but I don’t foresee a fee greater than that which Brighton paid, so no profit bonus.

Idem, unfortunately, Kelly. A very good player and, when he was here, an extremely promising talent. Unfortunately, I am not convinced he has really progressed as I (and others) might have hoped, so probably no real profit (for City) in the event of any move.

I think Brownhill is different, for he has most certainly improved - immensely. Nevertheless, he seems well settled (and much loved) at Burnley, close to home, so I wonder whether he would really be interested in a move to, say, Brighton or similar. Unless one of the ´top six’ come in for him with some fantastic offer - for both Burnley and him - I don’t envisage him moving on any time soon.

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9 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

As for Borussia Dortmund and Scott, the only real place I've seen links is on here. They are currently in for Alvarez of Ajax but with Dahoud leaving as well perhaps they will need more than one midfielder.

RB Leipzig are also quite good with young players and selling on, article I posted suggested they were interested too- they are in need of a CM with one of theirs heavily linked with Bayern. Regular CL revenue..I expect they could afford Scott.

I'm pretty sure Dortmund haven't been linked. It makes perfect sense in theory though given he's exactly the quality of young player they recruit. Also Alex Scott glowingly responded yes when asked if he'd like to play abroad one day.

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5 minutes ago, mozo said:

I'm pretty sure Dortmund haven't been linked. It makes perfect sense in theory though given he's exactly the quality of young player they recruit. Also Alex Scott glowingly responded yes when asked if he'd like to play abroad one day.

Yep especially when he looks at what they have done with Bellingham. Of course it's a big move for a young lad to a different country, but basing it on the football side it's a perfect club for him.

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If he's going to move then Brighton would be my choice, they will develop him and from a personal point I will get to see him play being based in Brighton.

I just have this feeling/hope that he's going to stay and look at how the club are doing and then look at things in January..

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55 minutes ago, Super said:

Yep especially when he looks at what they have done with Bellingham. Of course it's a big move for a young lad to a different country, but basing it on the football side it's a perfect club for him.

It would be a tremendous move for him. I actually think we could see some interest/ a bid from Dortmund or potentially another similar sized club on the continent for Scott. 

We would be naive to think that it has only been Premier league clubs keeping tabs on him.

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4 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Luton, what a sense of humour this guy has!

Is he serious.

I doubt he's serious.

But even if its 25m, I can't see Scott going to a small club which are odds on to come back down.

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21 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

The only thing Spurs have in their favour is Scott's support. The new guy is wholly untried at a top level. Winning a one horse race at a canter in the pub league is not an indicator of anything really.

The move I'm hoping for that would be best for everyone would be Newcastle. Money to burn, but also the sort of manager who would be perfect for his development in my opinion.

Have to agree, I believe Levy has made yet another terrible appointment, and IMHO I will be surprised if the new manager is still in a job by January.   I will be putting money down that he will be a leader in the Prem sack race? 

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If West Ham were to decide that Alex Scott is their preferred replacement for Declan Rice we can have them over a barrel….IMG_0650.jpeg

PS - someone can tell Alex that Sullivan has been bad-mouthing him ?

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1 hour ago, BCFC Rich said:

Quite a few quality midfielders moving around this summer - Bellingham, Rice, Barnes - presumably a good chance Ward-Prowse and Maddison will move too. Be interesting to see how it all shapes up. 

Caicedo probably, Mac Allister already, Phillips possibly, Mount... nuts really 

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6 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Mac Allister from Brighton to Liverpool for a reported £35 million with &10 million add ons.

So if Brighton are interested in Scott, how can we get £35 million for a promising 19 year old who has only played Championship for two seasons?

He had a release clause in his contract.

Also Alex has the English tax attached to him.

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3 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Mac Allister from Brighton to Liverpool for a reported £35 million with &10 million add ons.

So if Brighton are interested in Scott, how can we get £35 million for a promising 19 year old who has only played Championship for two seasons?

It was a £35million release clause mate they can’t not accept. On the other hand I don’t believe we have one in scotts contract. He’s also 5 years younger, English and versatile as proven with the 21/22 season. Might not get 35 but will definitely get at least 25.

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3 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

A few more weeks of no news and the chances of him signing a new contract here with an appropriate release clause go up

 

I wonder if Pearson really wants Scott or some funds to splash the cash 

Nige will be more interested in Alex staying  - we should be building our team around him.

 

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31 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

Mac Allister from Brighton to Liverpool for a reported £35 million with &10 million add ons.

So if Brighton are interested in Scott, how can we get £35 million for a promising 19 year old who has only played Championship for two seasons?

I see now that the fee was £55m which alters the comment I made earlier.

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9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I did read somewhere that Liverpool are struggling to fill their homegrown quota for squad lists!!! ?

They are, having lost both Milner & Oxlade-Chamberlain.

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17 minutes ago, formerly known as ivan said:

Mac Allister’s fee was driven by his release clause so would make no difference to what we ask for Scott.

Without the Liverpool would have been paying £80m+ for him.

I'm not really a big fan of release clauses. Trigger the release clause and we are obliged to let the player speak to the interested club, no release clause and we can politely tell them to sod off. 

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2 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Going by posts from many fans across Twitter where they’ve suggested their club sign Scott for a few million - I think our fans and club are hugely overvaluing Scott. I understand the club doing it to obtain optimal price but I can’t see any club offering any more than 10m quid for him. 

Then he stays, 

We aren't over pricing him ether, he is getting unervirsal praise from some of the top players coach's and pundits,

 

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2 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Going by posts from many fans across Twitter where they’ve suggested their club sign Scott for a few million - I think our fans and club are hugely overvaluing Scott. I understand the club doing it to obtain optimal price but I can’t see any club offering any more than 10m quid for him. 

We definitely aren't, he's just won the Championship young player of the year...

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21 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Going by posts from many fans across Twitter where they’ve suggested their club sign Scott for a few million - I think our fans and club are hugely overvaluing Scott. I understand the club doing it to obtain optimal price but I can’t see any club offering any more than 10m quid for him. 

Massengo cost us £7mil & that was 4 years ago, i would say Scott is much further along with his development than HNM was & nobody really thought the money was OTT. I dont think any club would be stupid enough to offer £10mil & think they would get told anything other than “piss off & dont waste our time”. Some of the prices are ridiculous, i agree, but i think it’s reasonable to ask (& expect) around £25m.

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20 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Going by posts from many fans across Twitter where they’ve suggested their club sign Scott for a few million - I think our fans and club are hugely overvaluing Scott. I understand the club doing it to obtain optimal price but I can’t see any club offering any more than 10m quid for him. 

We got that for Semenyo and Scott is rated much higher in the game.

And I'm not sure random fans of other clubs on Twitter have quite the expertise and authority you seem to grant them.

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14 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Going by posts from many fans across Twitter where they’ve suggested their club sign Scott for a few million - I think our fans and club are hugely overvaluing Scott. I understand the club doing it to obtain optimal price but I can’t see any club offering any more than 10m quid for him. 

Good god, so some random fans across twitter are now the font of all knowledge on Alex Scott's valuation. IF Scott does leave, we will get way more than £10m

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26 minutes ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Going by posts from many fans across Twitter where they’ve suggested their club sign Scott for a few million - I think our fans and club are hugely overvaluing Scott. I understand the club doing it to obtain optimal price but I can’t see any club offering any more than 10m quid for him. 

Great, then he'll be staying. Good times.

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1 hour ago, cidered abroad said:

Mac Allister from Brighton to Liverpool for a reported £35 million with &10 million add ons.

So if Brighton are interested in Scott, how can we get £35 million for a promising 19 year old who has only played Championship for two seasons?

Because MacAllister had a release clause.

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11 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

Just seen one post from some Spurs news type Twitter accounts asking if fans would prefer to sign Maddison for 50 million or Scott for £20 million. A lot of replies going for Scott

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Might have just accidentally poked the (trophyless) bear. 

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16 minutes ago, elhombrecito said:

Great, then he'll be staying. Good times.

Exactly!! ? 10m is very low. Can’t see it being lower than 20m and that be with serious add ons. 
 

Like having the chat would you rather have our squad as is now(maybe add roberts and another) and keep Scott another season and get 10-15m for him. Or get the 20-25m this season? 
 

Personally, would rather have Scott for the season. I’d like to see him put this team on his back in a way and drag us to a playoff spot. Obviously the squad around him is a strong as ever too but his third full season with all the praise and accolades, it would be nice to see him take the statistical leap in terms of goals, assists and key passes. I don’t really fancy us for playoffs without Scott. Perhaps similarly positioned to slightly better. With Scott, and another step forward from him, I can see us in the top 6. 
 

The 25m would almost be too much for how we run the club now. Would we go buy 4-5 million quid players? With more expensive fees probably comes higher wage demands and we have a structure now(for the good). Or does it evolve with such a sale? 

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1 hour ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Going by posts from many fans across Twitter where they’ve suggested their club sign Scott for a few million - I think our fans and club are hugely overvaluing Scott. I understand the club doing it to obtain optimal price but I can’t see any club offering any more than 10m quid for him. 

Really?

You are valuing him in the same bracket as Matt Taylor and Rovers' other star, the as yet uncapped Welsh International, Aaron Collins.

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1 hour ago, Mr Hankey said:

Massengo cost us £7mil & that was 4 years ago, i would say Scott is much further along with his development than HNM was & nobody really thought the money was OTT. I dont think any club would be stupid enough to offer £10mil & think they would get told anything other than “piss off & dont waste our time”. Some of the prices are ridiculous, i agree, but i think it’s reasonable to ask (& expect) around £25m.

 He didn’t. 

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9 minutes ago, Mr Hankey said:

How much did he cost? Most sites have him down as £7mil (or €8mil) - the only site i have seen to have him down as less is the Bristol Post

3 million I thought, it would of raised to 8 million based on add ons like promotion etc

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19 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

3 million I thought, it would of raised to 8 million based on add ons like promotion etc

Ah that makes more sense, hopefully the add ons never kicked in! Think that will be the same for Scott tbh, we may claim we get a stupid amount of money when he does eventually leave, but a lot could end up being add ons. 

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1 hour ago, Mr Hankey said:

Ah that makes more sense, hopefully the add ons never kicked in! Think that will be the same for Scott tbh, we may claim we get a stupid amount of money when he does eventually leave, but a lot could end up being add ons. 

We will get 25 million for Scott, but we will have a sell on of around 10 to 15% because if he fulfilled his potential you could be looking at 100m player and future England captain, imo

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1 hour ago, Mr Hankey said:

How much did he cost? Most sites have him down as £7mil (or €8mil) - the only site i have seen to have him down as less is the Bristol Post

Covered in the Massengo thread on main pages:

I have him down as €3m and I’m very confident of that figure, both in terms of who told me and then cross-referencing to the club accounts.

As explained it is not unusual for French / and other media to quote fees in different ways:

  • just the initial fee (becoming less common)
  • initial fee plus maximum add-ons (becoming more the norm - see McCrorie this week “fee could rise to £2m” type stuff)
  • as above but also include the wage cost over the term too

but pretty much always “undisclosed”.

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10 hours ago, Show Me The Money! said:

Just seen one post from some Spurs news type Twitter accounts asking if fans would prefer to sign Maddison for 50 million or Scott for £20 million. A lot of replies going for Scott

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Bit of an odd poll, as I don't think comparing Maddison and Scott is like-for-like, is it? Maddison plays much further forward. 

Maddison has 10 goals and 9 assists from last season, Scott scored 1 league goal and made 4 assists in the C'ship.

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5 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

We will get 25 million for Scott, but we will have a sell on of around 10 to 15% because if he fulfilled his potential you could be looking at 100m player and future England captain, imo

Hope you're right. I'm not convinced he has superstar potential but what do I know. I could see why the likes of Maddison and Bowen went from the championship for big fees. Standout players in terms of goals and assists. Not sure I would see that value in Alex as a fan without my rose-tints.

Only time will tell who has got it right. Personally I'd jump at £15m plus add ons.

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3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Bit of an odd poll, as I don't think comparing Maddison and Scott is like-for-like, is it? Maddison plays much further forward. 

Maddison has 10 goals and 9 assists from last season, Scott scored 1 league goal and made 4 assists in the C'ship.

It'll be interesting when he does step up to the next level what position he actually ends up in, won't it? He could almost end up playing anywhere.

I like him playing deeper in our team/division because - for as basic as this sounds - I always just think you want your best players on the ball as much as possible. And he obviously sees more of it there.

I know he's played deeper for the England age groups too, but again he's a standout player at that level, as much for his physicality as his ability. But then he'll lose those points of difference when he goes to the Premier League.

As an aside, it's interesting the amount of people who consider him a dribbler/a player in the same mould as Grealish. While he's got great feet, like Grealish, I've always thought his vision/passing range for someone so young is his best asset. He releases the ball more quickly than Grealish IMO.

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6 minutes ago, The Journalist said:

It'll be interesting when he does step up to the next level what position he actually ends up in, won't it? He could almost end up playing anywhere.

I like him playing deeper in our team/division because - for as basic as this sounds - I always just think you want your best players on the ball as much as possible. And he obviously sees more of it there.

I know he's played deeper for the England age groups too, but again he's a standout player at that level, as much for his physicality as his ability. But then he'll lose those points of difference when he goes to the Premier League.

As an aside, it's interesting the amount of people who consider him a dribbler/a player in the same mould as Grealish. While he's got great feet, like Grealish, I've always thought his vision/passing range for someone so young is his best asset. He releases the ball more quickly than Grealish IMO.

Agree with all of that, and to add the comparisons with Grealish are pretty lazy when the only similarities are their quick feet and rolled-down socks IMO.

If he stays, great. If he goes, I hope it’s for £20m+ and it happens sooner rather than later so we can find a quality replacement. 

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9 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

I think there are a small minority of our fans that struggle with the concept that Scott is NOT an attacking midfielder and should NOT be judged against the output of other attacking midfielders

Lots of people, our fans and other clubs fans also concentrate on his goals and assists. 

Yes he probably should be scoring a few more, he knows this. But things like assists relies on the players without him. 

It's all his other stats that people should be looking at because that's what makes him a 25 million player. I believe he is right up there with the goal creation chances?

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6 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

I think there are a small minority of our fans that struggle with the concept that Scott is NOT an attacking midfielder and should NOT be judged against the output of other attacking midfielders

But should still be judged on output. Not putting the lad down as disappointed I’m not going to see him next season. However his “ stats” don’t read amazing when you’re asking for 25 million. 
 

It’s  win win for us. We sell we get a big cash offer and set the club up for the immediate future and if he stays he can help us push for top 6. 
 

Normally you are worried about losing your best player however very relaxed about this one.

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4 minutes ago, Jose said:

But should still be judged on output. Not putting the lad down as disappointed I’m not going to see him next season. However his “ stats” don’t read amazing when you’re asking for 25 million. 
 

It’s  win win for us. We sell we get a big cash offer and set the club up for the immediate future and if he stays he can help us push for top 6. 
 

Normally you are worried about losing your best player however very relaxed about this one.

Yes it's strange as I rate him and love watching him play but I want him sold this summer!

£25m could be invested in the squad and wouldn't be putting our eggs in one basket-imagine if he got injured or suffered a sudden loss of form! 
 

also I'm really intrigued to see how he'd get on in the prem with better players alongside him!

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13 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

I think there are a small minority of our fans that struggle with the concept that Scott is NOT an attacking midfielder and should NOT be judged against the output of other attacking midfielders

Agree with that. However, I also think his output could and probably should be better than it is. It's not like he just sits in front of the back four, he's a box-to-box midfielder. 

To be blunt, his shooting ability/technique is just not very good. He doesn't even seem able to put his foot through the ball. It's an area I hope he and the coaches really work on this summer. 

If he adds that missing ingredient to his game then he really will have the potential to become a top, top player. 

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1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Bit of an odd poll, as I don't think comparing Maddison and Scott is like-for-like, is it? Maddison plays much further forward. 

Maddison has 10 goals and 9 assists from last season, Scott scored 1 league goal and made 4 assists in the C'ship.

Yeah, they aren't like for like. I was more interested in the fact that quite a few responses wanted Scott over an established Premier League and England international

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15 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

Yeah, they aren't like for like. I was more interested in the fact that quite a few responses wanted Scott over an established Premier League and England international

Yes, I was surprised by that. I don't know loads about Spurs but in their position I'd definitely take Maddison.

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13 hours ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Going by posts from many fans across Twitter where they’ve suggested their club sign Scott for a few million - I think our fans and club are hugely overvaluing Scott. I understand the club doing it to obtain optimal price but I can’t see any club offering any more than 10m quid for him. 

Lansdown/Pearson have said the bidding starts at 25m...

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The good thing is that Scott hasn't been agitating to go, almost the opposite in fact in that he thinks it's inevitable for his career, but he loves it here. 

Who knows, if we could keep him for one more season and we are successful, perhaps he can get the best of both worlds?

 

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Just now, Port Said Red said:

The good thing is that Scott hasn't been agitating to go, almost the opposite in fact in that he thinks it's inevitable for his career, but he loves it here. 

Who knows, if we could keep him for one more season and we are successful, perhaps he can get the best of both worlds?

 

I understand this sentiment but surely we wouldn't get the best of both worlds.

If he plays another season with us his value will plummet regardless of how well he has played due to the length of time remaining on his contract. Unless we get promoted but thats a very big 'if' or if we get him on a longer contract with a release clause again I'm not sure that's likely.

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15 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

I understand this sentiment but surely we wouldn't get the best of both worlds.

If he plays another season with us his value will plummet regardless of how well he has played due to the length of time remaining on his contract. Unless we get promoted but thats a very big 'if' or if we get him on a longer contract with a release clause again I'm not sure that's likely.

That's true, my conjecture is based on the idea that we do get promoted.

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Okay it's a bit back of a matchbox but what about.

One more year and if Scott could just add one year to the deal- but with a fair but out clause next summer. Chances are that even if he is here beyond this summer his value will fall in the next 12 months as his contract winds down. Always does

Really this is the optimum time to sell from a financial perspective but from a football perspective one more year would be great- also don't think one more year continuing to develop  grow and flourish here would be too bad either from his perspective. The key time to move is always a difficult one from a development perspective.

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9 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

I understand this sentiment but surely we wouldn't get the best of both worlds.

If he plays another season with us his value will plummet regardless of how well he has played due to the length of time remaining on his contract. Unless we get promoted but thats a very big 'if' or if we get him on a longer contract with a release clause again I'm not sure that's likely.

Of course there is always the danger when a player gets closer to the end of his contract, that his "value" will start to fall.

However, while that would normally be the case, I've thought for  long time that Scott is an exceptional talent - possibly only surpassed by Bellingham in recent memory. Accordingly,  and if he produces another season like last, or improves upon it ( not ridiculous as he becomes stronger and more experienced and especially if we are stronger and better as a team) then there will be even greater demand for him.

Clubs might think they can get him on the cheap a year later, but they then run the risk of missing out if another club comes in sooner and they might not then get the chance to get him again until he has become a £50/80/100m player, by which time a lot more clubs could/would be after him! If this is the case, and there are enough clubs genuinely wanting him, then it is supply and demand that will determine his fee, not the length of his remaining contract.

As I see it, the real danger is if Alex's agent starts telling him how much he (Alex) can make by running his contract down and moving on a free a year later, although I'd like to think that Alex can already see the type of career that he wants and  is possible, to achieve which would mean moving to the highest level as soon as possible, not holding out for more money and risking his progress stalling by staying here.

 

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The big issue with the “Scott valuation debate” is “us” deciding that his valuation is based on stats…and even then, what are the stats in question.

If it was goals and assists, we wouldn’t be talking £25m.

Just like why a Saudi team are prepared to pay £100m p.a. for N’Golo Kante.

There is no fixed formula, it’s not even easy to compare players like for like.

As you’ll know I’m keen on Jason Knight as a midfielder replacement for Alex Scott.  BUT not as a direct replacement for the way he plays, but because I think a City midfield without Alex Scott would need to play a bit differently, and Knight might fit that.

You also have to consider why Alex Scott hasn’t got more G+A this season (he got 4G+2A last season) and some of that is because the way we play, and what sort of goals we score / create.

He’s a prompter, a prober around the box, not a 3rd man runner benefitting from a prompter / prober.  It’s why Sykes has upped his goals because he’s now “getting in” at the far post, it’s why Cam Pring has several assists, because he’s the one being allowed to “get past” Scott inside the full-back to cross.

We don’t really create chances for the central midfielder to break into the box.  The Scott goal v WBA in the FA Cup was a rare example of a CMer breaking into the box.  Last season, Weimann was the 3rd man runner beyond Martin and Semenyo.  We don’t play like that this season.

Etc, etc.

PL clubs are interested in Scott because of plenty of other things that G+A, like his ability to manipulate the ball in tight spaces, take the ball on the turn, control and pass with both feet, dribble to create space for others, etc, etc.

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12 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Okay it's a bit back of a matchbox but what about.

One more year and if Scott could just add one year to the deal- but with a fair but out clause next summer. Chances are that even if he is here beyond this summer his value will fall in the next 12 months as his contract winds down. Always does

Really this is the optimum time to sell from a financial perspective but from a football perspective one more year would be great- also don't think one more year continuing to develop  grow and flourish here would be too bad either from his perspective. The key time to move is always a difficult one from a development perspective.

I don’t think Alex Scott is here next season without another year (at least) being added to his contract.  If we don’t extend, we’ll sell.  I see it as cut and dried as that, we won’t expose ourselves to next summer with one year left.

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19 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I don’t think Alex Scott is here next season without another year (at least) being added to his contract.  If we don’t extend, we’ll sell.  I see it as cut and dried as that, we won’t expose ourselves to next summer with one year left.

Won't buying clubs know that too and factor it in to what they are willing to pay now though?

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3 minutes ago, robin_unreliant said:

Won't buying clubs know that too and factor it in to what they are willing to pay now though?

Not sure how to answer really, other than my view is that any club bidding for him this summer will be bidding for a talented player with 2 years left on his contract.  Sorry if that makes no sense / doesn’t answer your Q.

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