Major Isewater Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, downendcity said: As I see it, the real danger is if Alex's agent starts telling him how much he (Alex) can make by running his contract down and moving on a free a year later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: good thing you have squeeky bum oil left over from last season then Major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 hours ago, cidercity1987 said: I think there are a small minority of our fans that struggle with the concept that Scott is NOT an attacking midfielder and should NOT be judged against the output of other attacking midfielders He is a central midfielder, one who likes to tackle and keep the ball moving, He is a combination of Lee Johnson and Marvin elliot only much much better, He's a player who can also carry the ball forward, hence he is very verisitle, ie can play anywhere across the middle as well as on the wing if needed, We play him further forward, England play him deeper, The best modern player to compare him against is probably cesc fabrigas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 The most unlikely analogy ever used on OTIB! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Monkeh said: He is a central midfielder, one who likes to tackle and keep the ball moving, He is a combination of Lee Johnson and Marvin elliot only much much better, He's a player who can also carry the ball forward, hence he is very verisitle, ie can play anywhere across the middle as well as on the wing if needed, We play him further forward, England play him deeper, The best modern player to compare him against is probably cesc fabrigas I always see him as a Luca Modric, I wonder if Spurs might too? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, Port Said Red said: I always see him as a Luca Modric, I wonder if Spurs might too? I dont think he's quite got that passing range modic has, though we've not utilised him like that and he's still young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Agree with that. However, I also think his output could and probably should be better than it is. It's not like he just sits in front of the back four, he's a box-to-box midfielder. To be blunt, his shooting ability/technique is just not very good. He doesn't even seem able to put his foot through the ball. It's an area I hope he and the coaches really work on this summer. If he adds that missing ingredient to his game then he really will have the potential to become a top, top player. I think you've hit the nail on the head perfectly @Kid in the Riot. He reminds me a bit of kids that haven't really been trained in Academies when they were younger on how to kick a ball properly. For all his ability, his shooting can be poor, and you would expect more from his set piece delivery as well. He certainly has all of the raw ingredients to get to the top, but anyone buying him would probably view him as huge potential, but until he's worked on those areas that he needs to, not really a starter in a PL team. The price tag is high, as his profile will never be higher than what it is now, but if I was a lower end PL team I would also be looking at Cam Pring, who's trajectory performance wise reminds me of when Jim Brennan's career took off back in the day. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Spurs fan and agent, sensible and itk with a lot of things. Not news as such, but if something was happening with Tottenham, he’d probably know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, Rocky said: Spurs fan and agent, sensible and itk with a lot of things. Not news as such, but if something was happening with Tottenham, he’d probably know. That second tweet will be true of pretty much every club in the PL, and several overseas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: I think you've hit the nail on the head perfectly @Kid in the Riot. He reminds me a bit of kids that haven't really been trained in Academies when they were younger on how to kick a ball properly. For all his ability, his shooting can be poor, and you would expect more from his set piece delivery as well. He certainly has all of the raw ingredients to get to the top, but anyone buying him would probably view him as huge potential, but until he's worked on those areas that he needs to, not really a starter in a PL team. The price tag is high, as his profile will never be higher than what it is now, but if I was a lower end PL team I would also be looking at Cam Pring, who's trajectory performance wise reminds me of when Jim Brennan's career took off back in the day. Only my opinion, but far too much emphasis that the only way he can play / justify PL is if he can score goals. So much more to his game than that, and in the right team his technique would allow him to slot into several teams in a 6 or 8 role. We talk about his shooting being poor…(“can’t kick the ball properly ) But 39.1% shots on target is in the top 25% for CM in the Champ (see percentile rank chart below). Goal conversion, just below average (Orange clicks below) he got 5 assists last season, that’s in the top 20% of CM in the champ. If we take some of his other data, we start to see the technical ability on the ball of Alex Scott and why PL clubs aren’t looking too closely at the goals column (1 Lg 1 cup). Those are pretty stellar on the ball stats across the board. Edited June 9, 2023 by Davefevs 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Musicworks Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 I think if someone comes in with a £25m offer plus add-ons then we won’t haggle and take it. We could try for an auction and potentially get more if we hang on but I believe the club have a philosophy that if the price is reached they would rather sell and leave time to make further acquisitions. That is my reading between the lines ‘assumption’ from a recent conversation with someone at the club (albeit not a decision maker). A Derby player was also mentioned in the conversation. Of course my assumption could be wrong but it will be interesting to see how this plays out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturny Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 4 hours ago, Red Army 75 said: Seeing this topic hot I must be weird but I'm excited when I see the topic hot this early in the window. If he left now for £25m that would give us so much time to strategize 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 56 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Only my opinion, but far too much emphasis that the only way he can play / justify PL is if he can score goals. So much more to his game than that, and in the right team his technique would allow him to slot into several teams in a 6 or 8 role. We talk about his shooting being poor…(“can’t kick the ball properly ) But 39.1% shots on target is in the top 25% for CM in the Champ (see percentile rank chart below). Goal conversion, just below average (Orange clicks below) he got 5 assists last season, that’s in the top 20% of CM in the champ. If we take some of his other data, we start to see the technical ability on the ball of Alex Scott and why PL clubs aren’t looking too closely at the goals column (1 Lg 1 cup). Those are pretty stellar on the ball stats across the board. Ray parlour Patrick veria, Two of arsenal's great players, nether bagged loads if goals 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Ian M Posted June 9, 2023 Admin Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, NcnsBcfc said: I think you've hit the nail on the head perfectly @Kid in the Riot. He reminds me a bit of kids that haven't really been trained in Academies when they were younger on how to kick a ball properly. For all his ability, his shooting can be poor, and you would expect more from his set piece delivery as well. He certainly has all of the raw ingredients to get to the top, but anyone buying him would probably view him as huge potential, but until he's worked on those areas that he needs to, not really a starter in a PL team. The price tag is high, as his profile will never be higher than what it is now, but if I was a lower end PL team I would also be looking at Cam Pring, who's trajectory performance wise reminds me of when Jim Brennan's career took off back in the day. It could be higher next season. I expect him to get U21 caps next season even if he stays with us, and with a more solid team around him I wouldn’t be surprised to see him play with greater freedom and improve on the most visible output stats, goals & assists, in a play-off push. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) Really hate the tunnel vision on goal scoring stats for a player playing in a relatively defensive pivoting midfielder position. In a team who either play on the counter, or rely on the pace of our wingers in behind the majority of the time. Alex Scott is quite easily the best ball carrier in our squad at 19. Both footed. Press resistant. Strong tackler. When he eventually finds himself in the attacking third he can take on a man and pass through the defence well. Also on a side note, the £25m price tag isn’t just for the player a club is receiving now, especially if it were spurs/Newcastle/Brighton coming in for him, it’s also for the player they have in 2/3 years time. Who with the right coaching will have realistic chances of being in the England set up and being a very good midfielder in the prem or another top league. If you watch his highlights against Man City you can clearly see the reasons teams are so interested. He looked comfortable against the best team in England. He played a hell of a lot better then kalvin Phillips who cost Man City £42 million at 26 yrs old. Edited June 9, 2023 by George Rs 6 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, George Rs said: Really hate the tunnel vision on goal scoring stats for a player playing in a relatively defensive pivoting midfielder position. Shouldn’t be forgotten that due to injuries in the squad, he turned out as a RB/RWB in a few games, which won’t have helped his attacking stats. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Alex Scott trending on Twitter btw. Would love to see him stay another year, think we will be defensively a lot better this coming season which would allow him to play higher up the pitch and get the goal contributions to prove people wrong but I don’t see it happening now. Too much hype for him not to leave and a loan back option won’t happen with the amount of teams needing replacement midfielders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 29 minutes ago, Rudolf Hucker said: Shouldn’t be forgotten that due to injuries in the squad, he turned out as a RB/RWB in a few games, which won’t have helped his attacking stats. Pinch of salt, but going off tranafermarkt, he had 13 games behind the striker and registered 0 goals and assists. Maybe it just isn’t his position that far forward. I would agree with that I think he is more of a box to box or even a playmaker from deep. However, with as talented as he is, you’d expect more return in the basic goals and assist stats. Wherever he plays, if he stayed another season, I’d like to see him put the team on his back a bit more. Doesn’t mean more goals and assists per se. Just be the main man that everyone knows is the key to how we play but still rarely stop him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 hours ago, Davefevs said: Only my opinion, but far too much emphasis that the only way he can play / justify PL is if he can score goals. So much more to his game than that, and in the right team his technique would allow him to slot into several teams in a 6 or 8 role. We talk about his shooting being poor…(“can’t kick the ball properly ) But 39.1% shots on target is in the top 25% for CM in the Champ (see percentile rank chart below). Goal conversion, just below average (Orange clicks below) he got 5 assists last season, that’s in the top 20% of CM in the champ. If we take some of his other data, we start to see the technical ability on the ball of Alex Scott and why PL clubs aren’t looking too closely at the goals column (1 Lg 1 cup). Those are pretty stellar on the ball stats across the board. You don’t need to numerous graphs to tell you his shooting isn’t very good. You also don’t need them to tell you what a wonderful talent he is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBB Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 I wonder how many goals we’ve scored or chances created after Alex has broke the opposition press and released. It’s a bit or a travesty that a shanked shot or bad touch can end up counting as an assist but he gets no “stat credit” when he resisted Prestons press to play Nahki down the line for Sam Bell to score. I know who I think had the biggest contribution to that goal and it wasn’t the guy who got the assist or the guy who put the ball in the net. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 37 minutes ago, Henry said: You don’t need to numerous graphs to tell you his shooting isn’t very good. You also don’t need them to tell you what a wonderful talent he is. I think his shooting is fine…was just using data to show that maybe some over over-egging it. His goal v Blackpool, was that the mark of player who as Neil described looks like he’s not been coached to kick it properly? It’s not like he gets many 10-12 yard genuine goal scoring opportunities is it. As per the pic, it’s that he’s mainly restricted to longer (low chance) shots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: Evidenced based posts are not welcome here, we are starting the process of slagging off the most talented player we've had at AG in my lifetime so its easier to accept him leaving. He can't shoot, he's shit at crossing and he's actually a bit rubbish.... Quite how a player with so many weaknesses in his game was Championship young player of the year is a scandal. Take it off him and give it to the player it should have gone to - Amad Diallo! Edited June 9, 2023 by chinapig 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: Yep, to achieve what he has when he can't kick a ball properly is pretty mental. Must be a conspiracy. Have a drink fella... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 44 minutes ago, Percy Pig said: Assists is a pointless stat. You could play the greatest pass in history on a plate for a striker and if he misses it you it counts for nothing. Key passes, line breaks and passes leading to shots demonstrate more about a midfielder than any other stats. Those are areas where Scott is streets ahead of his peers. He's also never in a million years a 10. But that's by the by. Agree about assists. Agree about where Scott excels too and that he isn’t a natural 10. Just think he is talented enough to have better numbers when he does play further forward. I know not always that black and white dependent on systems and what is asked. Just would like to see more growth from him. Take another step and dominate at this level if he were to stay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Percy Pig said: You could play the greatest pass in history on a plate for a striker I’ve done that a number of times though somewhat surprisingly, never when I’ve been awake. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) In respect of Scott it has gone a bit quiet, hasn't it. The market moves on quickly so this could be dated by this time next week. Some of the links. Wolves have FFP so it's unclear. They also have reportedly had a strong interest. West Ham is an obvious choice but they reportedly are linked with Alvarez or failing that Palhinha for the position, Barnes will he another they will invest the proceeds in. It'll be interesting to see but will clubs be going for the £25-30m? If so which clubs. Edited June 9, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W-S-M Seagull Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 I've just read through a few pages and the consensus seems to be that Alex Scott isn't a very good player. Baffling. I guess it's some people's way of dealing with him leaving. And then I read posts about people panicking that we won't find a buyer cos there hasn't been any news. The premier league season finished 2 week ago. 3 premier league clubs have had games in the past week. The transfer market has only just started to wake up from its winter hiatus. Alex's season has only just finished. 100% he'll be leaving this summer. Might mot be this week or next, but he'll be leaving. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 23 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I've just read through a few pages and the consensus seems to be that Alex Scott isn't a very good player. Baffling. I guess it's some people's way of dealing with him leaving. And then I read posts about people panicking that we won't find a buyer cos there hasn't been any news. The premier league season finished 2 week ago. 3 premier league clubs have had games in the past week. The transfer market has only just started to wake up from its winter hiatus. Alex's season has only just finished. 100% he'll be leaving this summer. Might mot be this week or next, but he'll be leaving. Doubt it mate, he can't even kick it properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 7 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I've just read through a few pages and the consensus seems to be that Alex Scott isn't a very good player. Baffling. I guess it's some people's way of dealing with him leaving. And then I read posts about people panicking that we won't find a buyer cos there hasn't been any news. The premier league season finished 2 week ago. 3 premier league clubs have had games in the past week. The transfer market has only just started to wake up from its winter hiatus. Alex's season has only just finished. 100% he'll be leaving this summer. Might mot be this week or next, but he'll be leaving. No one has said that, People have said he should be a little more effective in the final third, Can you like the posts that say he isn't very good please..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 8 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said: I've just read through a few pages and the consensus seems to be that Alex Scott isn't a very good player. Baffling. I guess it's some people's way of dealing with him leaving. And then I read posts about people panicking that we won't find a buyer cos there hasn't been any news. The premier league season finished 2 week ago. 3 premier league clubs have had games in the past week. The transfer market has only just started to wake up from its winter hiatus. Alex's season has only just finished. 100% he'll be leaving this summer. Might mot be this week or next, but he'll be leaving. I suggest reading it again. Nowhere does it say Alex Scott isn’t a good player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Fwiw I feel the club would be soft as shite to accept anything less than £25 million, with the extras on top... This is where we should be marking a clear line in the sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Genuinely amazed at the amount of people who either don’t rate him that much because of stat padding, or are maybe just saying it to ease the pain of him going. You may as well just pack it in if you can’t appreciate how he was these last two seasons. He’s probably the best player we’ll ever see in a City shirt. If that isn’t enough then 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, petehinton said: Genuinely amazed at the amount of people who either don’t rate him that much because of stat padding, or are maybe just saying it to ease the pain of him going. You may as well just pack it in if you can’t appreciate how he was these last two seasons. He’s probably the best player we’ll ever see in a City shirt. If that isn’t enough then Even if he wasn't as "effective" in the final third as some claim, he still did a couple of things in a match that in my mind would justify my entry fee. Those types of player have been few and far between, the last one was probably JET. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maltshoveller Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, petehinton said: Genuinely amazed at the amount of people who either don’t rate him that much because of stat padding, or are maybe just saying it to ease the pain of him going. You may as well just pack it in if you can’t appreciate how he was these last two seasons. He’s probably the best player we’ll ever see in a City shirt. If that isn’t enough then Pete The reason these people dont rate him is He came from Guernsey and worked his way through the ranks If we had paid £millions for him from the likes of Man Utd Liverpool Chelsea etc those same people would be w##king themselves silly over him or they just dont know a great player when they see one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 20 hours ago, Davefevs said: Only my opinion, but far too much emphasis that the only way he can play / justify PL is if he can score goals. So much more to his game than that, and in the right team his technique would allow him to slot into several teams in a 6 or 8 role. We talk about his shooting being poor…(“can’t kick the ball properly ) But 39.1% shots on target is in the top 25% for CM in the Champ (see percentile rank chart below). Goal conversion, just below average (Orange clicks below) he got 5 assists last season, that’s in the top 20% of CM in the champ. If we take some of his other data, we start to see the technical ability on the ball of Alex Scott and why PL clubs aren’t looking too closely at the goals column (1 Lg 1 cup). Those are pretty stellar on the ball stats across the board. Thanks for the stats @Davefevs This to me points out the areas of his game in which Scott excels. The point I was making around his shooting and set piece delivery was areas where he needs to improve as @Kid in the Riot states. When shooting he needs to develop hitting through the ball ( a good example Haydon Robert's goal for Derby from outside the box). I think Weimann's goal against Blackpool was our only goal from outside the box this season (I stand to be corrected if not). Is Scott an excellent young player, absolutely. Is he the most outstanding young prospect we've had for a long while, without a doubt. But he is still on an upward trajectory(hopefully) and needs to improve in certain areas to continue his journey into the PL, he is of course still only 19. The run he made for the goal against West Brom in the cup was excellent. But we didn't see enough of those this season. For me he was trying so hard at times to get us on the front foot moving forward that it affected his game. Without Naismith in the middle he was having to come deep to get the ball and get us moving forward. I'm sure if he is still here in August, then that's something NP will address. He certainly wasn't at his best after he came back from injury in the last 2 months of the season. Whether the speculation had had an effect, who can say. But Burnley in particular did a job on him in the last game, leading to his uncharacteristic error. The Scott saga has got all the makings of a late transfer for me unfortunately. It would be wonderful to get it done early, but like Bryan's one (that last game against Forest when we knew he was off), I think it'll be late in the window. As an aside, have we ever actually turned down a bid for him? I remember saying Wolves had a £15m 9ne turned do2n unofficially, but unlike Forest's one with Semenyo I don't remember any club officially testing the water with us do far? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinforlife2 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I personally think he is a good player, but at the same time, I do kind of feel he is rather hyped up. I mean I don't know if he is the real deal, future England star. It wasn't so long ago, many on here were saying Tammy was England's future number 9. I would agree he is probably one of, if not our best player, he is clever on and off the ball, but he does need more goals and assists to be talked about the way some fans and media outlets have done. He is exciting, still raw potential, but I personally have no idea how to value him. Based on all the reports, hype, press etc, we are now saying 25m+ for him, but flip side of the coin is, if I supported a bigger club and they were paying 25m for him, I would probably be thinking that seems too much. Personally I would not be surprised to see him stay here another season, as I'm not sure the clubs that would appeal to him, are going to offer what we would want, and I have a feeling he wouldn't be interested in a move to say Southampton, Sheffield United or Palace, who are clubs who may not get first targets and could come willing to offer 20m+ for him. Yes, I agree he's a good player, but I don't think he is a player who in my opinion is the best I've seen, or would be thinking he'll make 25-30m and play for England. But then, the game is all about opinions. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 What’s exciting for me is just the fact that there is still room for improvement for a nineteen year old player who bossed the sixth biggest league in World football last year. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said: I personally think he is a good player, but at the same time, I do kind of feel he is rather hyped up. I mean I don't know if he is the real deal, future England star. It wasn't so long ago, many on here were saying Tammy was England's future number 9. I would agree he is probably one of, if not our best player, he is clever on and off the ball, but he does need more goals and assists to be talked about the way some fans and media outlets have done. He is exciting, still raw potential, but I personally have no idea how to value him. Based on all the reports, hype, press etc, we are now saying 25m+ for him, but flip side of the coin is, if I supported a bigger club and they were paying 25m for him, I would probably be thinking that seems too much. Personally I would not be surprised to see him stay here another season, as I'm not sure the clubs that would appeal to him, are going to offer what we would want, and I have a feeling he wouldn't be interested in a move to say Southampton, Sheffield United or Palace, who are clubs who may not get first targets and could come willing to offer 20m+ for him. Yes, I agree he's a good player, but I don't think he is a player who in my opinion is the best I've seen, or would be thinking he'll make 25-30m and play for England. But then, the game is all about opinions. Goals maybe, but assists is not a great measure, I saw another stat that said he had created 43 opportunities this season. I have just watched a few of the highlights because I was looking for a specific clip that I can't find, but I was struck by how many chances he made that weren't finished or how many of the moves that led to chances and goals started with his work in the first place. That to me is what has got a lot of football people raving, assists would come more freely with a more free scoring team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 44 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: That to me is what has got a lot of football people raving, assists would come more freely with a more free scoring team. There was an interesting video on the Tifo url YouTube channel this morning about Alexis Mac Allister. He played 35 games for Brighton last season. Number of assists? 2! What on earth are Liverpool doing paying £35m for him? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 48 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Goals maybe, but assists is not a great measure, I saw another stat that said he had created 43 opportunities this season. I have just watched a few of the highlights because I was looking for a specific clip that I can't find, but I was struck by how many chances he made that weren't finished or how many of the moves that led to chances and goals started with his work in the first place. That to me is what has got a lot of football people raving, assists would come more freely with a more free scoring team. The best example of creating a goal but not getting an assist - Conway’s diving header at Blackburn. Dribbles out of defence to pass to Weimann. Or Preston (a). That’s why judging on assists (and goals) is an incredibly blinkered way of judging Alex Scott. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Swan and Cemetery Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 However good he’s been for us (very), it’s not guaranteed that he’ll push on at a significantly higher level. Bellingham vs Abraham vs a complete flop at top level having shown potential in Championship, would highlight the delta of possible outcomes at this stage in his career. Given his age, the potential ceiling is very high, so think a selling club, proven at developing talent, but a long way above us, would be the place to go, rather than one of the very biggest clubs. To me that screams Brighton, Dortmund or maybe Leipzig (sure there are others), but clearly the latter two very dependent on Alex’s appetite to play abroad. Brighton seems a relatively obvious choice for all concerned, but obviously not as simple as ticking a few boxes that support that option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I think he'll still be here this season , which is fine, but kinda buggers up our recruiting plans. There doesn't seem to be any whiff of a rumour about his transfer which I thought there would have been by now ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 17 minutes ago, Davefevs said: The best example of creating a goal but not getting an assist - Conway’s diving header at Blackburn. Dribbles out of defence to pass to Weimann. Or Preston (a). That’s why judging on assists (and goals) is an incredibly blinkered way of judging Alex Scott. Spot on. I watched the goals again from our win at Stoke last night, Mehmeti’s winner comes from a simple Wells pass, so it is his assist. Wells actually gets the ball after brilliant play by Weimann who intercepts it, runs forward evading a challenge & then plays a superb pass through the legs of a Stoke defender to Wells. No assist for that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 The market moves quickly. I'm sure it'll come back round again but so far some of the speculated options..look more doubtful as it stands right now. Leicester and Leeds to a lesser extent were credited with an interest. We know why thst is now a non starter- relegation Wolves have seemed very interested but will FFP thwart plans? Will they be spending £25-30m on a player as things stand. Brighton seem a good fit but their transfer policy is a bit of an unknown tbh. Sale of McAlister and maybe Caicedo, Milner and Dahoud in on a free is different. £30m on Joao Pedro will they go big across multiple or not? Nobody knows..also keen on Colwill from Chelsea reportedly- centre back, on loan there last year. West Ham had been touted by many but so far in CM they are linked with the following, not saying they would look to sign them all by any stretch: Alvarez (Ajax), McTominay (Man United), Palhinha (Fulham), Phillips (Man City) and Ward-Prowse (Southampton). Tottenham should be a decent bet but new manager- that again adds a time lag and uncertainty. Market moves quickly, lot of this could be outdated again within a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacki Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I’ve said this before on here and I’ll say it again. Alex Scott is the best young player I’ve seen play for City in the 40 years I’ve been watching. He’s sublime on the ball and, in his quiet games, does his job very well defensively. His positional awareness and reading of the game is unbelievably good for a 19 year old. Are there things he can improve on? Of course. He needs more to score more goals, and as many have set his dead ball delivery can improve. There’s no doubt in my mind he will nail both of those relative weaknesses. He’s the real deal and will go to the very, very top of the game. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 42 minutes ago, slartibartfast said: I think he'll still be here this season , which is fine, but kinda buggers up our recruiting plans. There doesn't seem to be any whiff of a rumour about his transfer which I thought there would have been by now ? You are aware we're not even halfway through June? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 2 hours ago, DaveF said: You are aware we're not even halfway through June? Er, yes, but there's no time embargo on rumours, is there ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, slartibartfast said: Er, yes, but there's no time embargo on rumours, is there ! The rumour window doesn’t ever slam shut! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: The rumour window doesn’t ever slam shut! That's true, but it occasionally slams into your face before it bounces back wide open. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tin Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I’ve been following the City for 30 years now and quite simply he’s the best young player we’ve been lucky to have in that time by a very long way. The boy is class and there are many reasons every big club in England, and some in Europe, are following him. He’s got nearly every attribute you want from a young midfielder, plus good experience playing in the second tier and in several positions. He’s ahead of his peers who are stagnating in youth teams at the biggest clubs. I’ve got no doubt he will become a household name in the near future, including playing for England. All of that is what clubs are willing to pay big bucks for. The sky’s his limit. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3City Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Mentioned previously that a non-departure seriously affects our transfer plans - but does it? Any potential large fee received will obviously mean we have more to spend, but we seem to have done some decent business already on the strength of our restructuring. Or have the McCrorie and Dickie signings (and hopefully more to come) been completed on the basis we're pretty confident that Scott money will be incoming this Summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, BS3City said: Mentioned previously that a non-departure seriously affects our transfer plans - but does it? Any potential large fee received will obviously mean we have more to spend, but we seem to have done some decent business already on the strength of our restructuring. Or have the McCrorie and Dickie signings (and hopefully more to come) been completed on the basis we're pretty confident that Scott money will be incoming this Summer? Thanks to our cost cutting and the sale of Semenyo what we have spent so far is not a risk. I don't think we would spend a significant amount on the assumption that Scott will leave. Don't count your chickens and all that. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, BS3City said: Mentioned previously that a non-departure seriously affects our transfer plans - but does it? Any potential large fee received will obviously mean we have more to spend, but we seem to have done some decent business already on the strength of our restructuring. Or have the McCrorie and Dickie signings (and hopefully more to come) been completed on the basis we're pretty confident that Scott money will be incoming this Summer? 100% not. Completely goes against what they’ve been working towards that. Spending money because there’s a chance more comes in the future is just silly. In Phil’s first interview he talked about how they were already planning for the summer and that was in February. I can say pretty confidently they would’ve covered all basis. Here there is only two, sell Scott or keep Scott. If we keep Scott we may sign less players then if we did sell. But they wouldn’t have signed players without having the money to do so. Quite clearly using some of the semenyo funds that some seem to have forgotten we have recieved. And either way if we end up keeping Scott (which I don’t think will happen) we definitely won’t be left short. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Broken record from me…sorry. The Semenyo money served two purposes (imho): Ensure that FFP was well covered Allow us to be proactive in the summer window Wgat we didn’t want to have to do is sit there and wait for someone to be sold before we could move on our targets. Nor did we want to chase targets without knowing we’d sold someone. Semenyo enabled us to move early. Its also allowed us to get two players in who can both play CB, so that if Kalas decides to go, we are less exposed. You can’t control all of recruitment, but you can be prepared and mitigate as many risks as possible. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, George Rs said: 100% not. Completely goes against what they’ve been working towards that. Spending money because there’s a chance more comes in the future is just silly. In Phil’s first interview he talked about how they were already planning for the summer and that was in February. I can say pretty confidently they would’ve covered all basis. Here there is only two, sell Scott or keep Scott. If we keep Scott we may sign less players then if we did sell. But they wouldn’t have signed players without having the money to do so. Quite clearly using some of the semenyo funds that some seem to have forgotten we have recieved. And either way if we end up keeping Scott (which I don’t think will happen) we definitely won’t be left short. Don`t forget that Mehmeti and Cornick were `due` to be done in this window but were brought forward after we sold Antoine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 14 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Don`t forget that Mehmeti and Cornick were `due` to be done in this window but were brought forward after we sold Antoine. Forgot to add, based on rumoured fees / contract length and my guess at wages: Dickie £700k - £233k p.a. (amortisation) + £500k p.a (wages) McCrorie £1.2m - £400k p.a + £400k p.a Cornick £300k - £85k p.a + £400k p.a Mehmeti £1m - £285k p.a + £350k p.a in total they are costing us this year - £1.003m in amortisation and £1.650m in wages Semenyo brought in circa £10m. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Then the savings, the structural savings which are all important. Yeah we don't need to sell Scott but need to avoid excessive or extravagantly spending. Bentley- £2m, 4 year deal wasn't it? I'll guess £10-20k per week. Saving £0.5m and £0.52-1.04m. Kalas- Reported fee £8m, 4 years, wages I am guessing £20-25k per week. Saving £2m and £1.04-1.3m. DaSilva- Fee £2m, 4 years? Wages I am guessing £10-15k per week? £0.5m and £0.52-£0.78m. Massengo- Fee £2m, 4 years? Wages £10-15k per week? £0.5m and £0.52-0.78m. Klose- £5-10k per week? Left in January, maybe a partial saving then but £0.26-0.52m this time. No amortisation Martin- Yes he left in January and it was accelerated but when he signed might he have been on £10-15k per week? Maybe a partial saving in January but £0.52-0.78m. Moore- Negligible amortisation but would we have partially have covered wages at Shrewsbury. If so that also off the books any partial coverage. Baker- Retired but the correct thing done. Covered wages- £5-10k per week maybe? Off the books too. £3.5m in amortisation plus any savings from Wells renegotiation and £3.64m to £5.72m per year. Plus of course, savings from Bentley, Massengo deparures and any savings if Klose and Martin waived part of wages to pursue other ventures early. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Mr P. You know me, from a budgetary perspective, amortisation of Kalas, Massengo, Moore etc shouldn’t be in the budget for this season and beyond, so I tend to disregard. But I know you are thinking about it from budget difference from 22/23 to next season, and you’re right it’s a huge swing. I think there’s a bit more in the pot without Scott needing to go…and by pot I mean to finance a signing of maybe £2m and wages on a 3 or 4 year deal. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Mr P. You know me, from a budgetary perspective, amortisation of Kalas, Massengo, Moore etc shouldn’t be in the budget for this season and beyond, so I tend to disregard. But I know you are thinking about it from budget difference from 22/23 to next season, and you’re right it’s a huge swing. I think there’s a bit more in the pot without Scott needing to go…and by pot I mean to finance a signing of maybe £2m and wages on a 3 or 4 year deal. And that’s all in the pot from previous sales and cuts. I don’t know whether they have liberties to spend beyond that now that we seem to be “out of deep shit” and clearly have at least top 8 aspirations for next season. l Think we will be alright no matter what happens via AS but i personally would like him to stay at least one more season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Tweeted about Man City just now and the amount of Spurs fans begging Scott to join them is embarrassing! Even they see him as their saviour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 8 hours ago, slartibartfast said: Er, yes, but there's no time embargo on rumours, is there ! Exactly. There's a long way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 (edited) Not Scott related as such but West Ham currently linked with Palhinha and one report says £50m, another £60m. My point is, would West Ham be looking to sign him and Scott in the same summer, post Rice? Otoh could that then see Fulham look at Scott should that go through. Dominoes etc. Edited June 11, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hankey Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 I wouldn’t of thought so…..can see them using the Rice money on established top level players. Moyes can’t afford a bad start to the season so can’t see him wanting to spend on a player like Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinTuga Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 57 minutes ago, Mr Hankey said: I wouldn’t of thought so…..can see them using the Rice money on established top level players. Moyes can’t afford a bad start to the season so can’t see him wanting to spend on a player like Scott. Conference League win will gives Moyes some goodwill I imagine in the eventuality they have another slow start again but I'm leaning towards the same, that they'll go more for "proven" commodities. They've already brought in Dahoud on a free but in my mind I still think it's gonna be Brighton who comes knocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 39 minutes ago, RobinTuga said: Conference League win will gives Moyes some goodwill I imagine in the eventuality they have another slow start again but I'm leaning towards the same, that they'll go more for "proven" commodities. They've already brought in Dahoud on a free but in my mind I still think it's gonna be Brighton who comes knocking. Dahoud and Milner. Yes Scott and Brighton would certainly be a good match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Cherries reportedly interested too, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12185799/Bournemouth-join-race-Bristol-City-teenager-Alex-Scott.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archie andrews Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jerseybean said: Cherries reportedly interested too, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12185799/Bournemouth-join-race-Bristol-City-teenager-Alex-Scott.html That tinpot outfit can **** off.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 (edited) £25m mentioned again- weren't West Ham and Wolves also expressing reservations about this or reportedly anyway. That aside, what size bids do we think we will get? Edited June 12, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 10 minutes ago, Jerseybean said: Cherries reportedly interested too, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12185799/Bournemouth-join-race-Bristol-City-teenager-Alex-Scott.html Can't see Bournemouth spending that kind of money on him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 11 minutes ago, Jerseybean said: Cherries reportedly interested too, https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12185799/Bournemouth-join-race-Bristol-City-teenager-Alex-Scott.html Could’ve had him for £0 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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