Alex Scott - £25m to Bournemouth- Confirmed

[Alessandro]

1 minute ago, Monkeh said:

We won't see the benefit of the cash due to sustained massive losses year on year

Also this….progress, eh?! 

[Monkeh]

14 minutes ago, Alessandro said:

Also this….progress, eh?! 

Good thing we've got a.good academy,,

And to think people wanted to scrap it.....

But seriously, we are moving in the right direction, we get 25 mil, I reckon  nige will get 8 mil of that,

Edited June 29, 2023 by Monkeh

[Major Isewater]

30 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

reckon  nige will get 8 mil of that,

Plus some to buy players with . Oops sorry I thought you were referring to Swiss Tony . 

[JoeAman08]

56 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

Good thing we've got a.good academy,,

And to think people wanted to scrap it.....

But seriously, we are moving in the right direction, we get 25 mil, I reckon  nige will get 8 mil of that,

Idk it is a weird one now. When we sold webster we brought in big fees and wages. Think we all agree the wages won’t be happening. I just don’t think they’d say here is 8m.

I just think we’d keep building the squad in a similar manner. We’d maybe just be able to get our top targets a bit more often over the next 5-6 windows. Or we could move a few targets forward. 

The right way to go about it I think which is why I think our asking fee is 25m. 25m this summer or 15m next summer. We are healthier now financially and will remain so. So we won’t really be using those funds anyway imo. I don’t think we will be running close to ffp maximum anymore. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Just for clarity, Conor Coady will always have some residual asset value by nature of every contract extension will re calculate the amortisation profile based on current value divided by remaining term.  It is likely to be pretty small, but it’s not quite “pure” profit.

Thanks.

I assumed he was an academy product I guess.

[Mr Popodopolous]

4 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Idk it is a weird one now. When we sold webster we brought in big fees and wages. Think we all agree the wages won’t be happening. I just don’t think they’d say here is 8m.

I just think we’d keep building the squad in a similar manner. We’d maybe just be able to get our top targets a bit more often over the next 5-6 windows. Or we could move a few targets forward. 

The right way to go about it I think which is why I think our asking fee is 25m. 25m this summer or 15m next summer. We are healthier now financially and will remain so. So we won’t really be using those funds anyway imo. I don’t think we will be running close to ffp maximum anymore. 

I actually think we're abour £36-37m or thereabouts due to the overhang from 2021-22 but moving forward I can't disagree..this is before sales. Once that £19m FFP loss from 2021-22 is gone clearer waters still lie ahead plus the TV deal rises form 2024-25 which means more revenue for all

[CiderJar]

6 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

Surely you fill a hole you don’t replace it? 

Need you be reminded of the Mark Ashton philosophy?

[JoeAman08]

7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I actually think we're abour £36-37m or thereabouts due to the overhang from 2021-22 but moving forward I can't disagree..this is before sales. Once that £19m FFP loss from 2021-22 is gone clearer waters still lie ahead plus the TV deal rises form 2024-25 which means more revenue for all

Yes what I am saying but I don’t think we’ll want to push that 36m over 3 seasons anymore. We could sign 5 two mil players on 15k a week comfortably if we sell Scott(for example just throwing something random out). What would the pressures of that be the last year of that Scott money?
 

I think Ashton may have been a wakeup call to SL. He knows he’ll post losses but does he want to post the max losses on minimum return? I think he has seen the likes of Luton, Coventry and Millwall(growing budget I know) be more successful on smaller losses. Just my opinion anyway. If Scott adds a 7m a year plus to our accounts I don’t think it means we’ll spend that. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

18 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Yes what I am saying but I don’t think we’ll want to push that 36m over 3 seasons anymore. We could sign 5 two mil players on 15k a week comfortably if we sell Scott(for example just throwing something random out). What would the pressures of that be the last year of that Scott money?
 

I think Ashton may have been a wakeup call to SL. He knows he’ll post losses but does he want to post the max losses on minimum return? I think he has seen the likes of Luton, Coventry and Millwall(growing budget I know) be more successful on smaller losses. Just my opinion anyway. If Scott adds a 7m a year plus to our accounts I don’t think it means we’ll spend that. 

If Scott goes then game changer, don't need to worry for years if it's for £25m or so. Even close to £20m and we'd be very much secure.

I do see what you're saying though, even if Scott goes for big money we'll only reinvest a portion to keep clear..in theory we could replicate clubs like that hut better albeit Millwall wage bill 2021-22 £23.3m so that is on the rise. Depends how close we want to push the adjusted £39m tbh.

Edited June 29, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[James54De]

https://twitter.com/westham_central/status/1674449250506137600?s=46&t=_e24k7xy2QDlaZ61tNJkAw

[JoeAman08]

5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

If Scott goes then game changer, don't need to worry for years if it's for £25m or so. Even close to £20m and we'd be very much secure.

I do see what you're saying though, even if Scott goes for big money we'll only reinvest a portion to keep clear..in theory we could replicate clubs like that hut better albeit Millwall wage bill 2021-22 £23.3m so that is on the rise. Depends how close we want to push the adjusted £39m tbh.

Yea just my opinion we won’t really push that 39m going forward. I think still one bad year on the books still for the 3 year period so a Scott sale helps take the pressure off there. I wonder though whether we think we are fine as is and maybe with one more(Knight?). So we can keep Scott and just not be able to add in January. 
 

Then if we must sell him next summer for 12-15m. Worse for accounts but with the last awful year dropping off we’d be fine anyway. If we say 13m a season, how close to that do you think we are getting this season? Are we still right up on it? Or have we shed the wage bill enough that we looking at more like 8-10m? 

[Monkeh]

18 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Yea just my opinion we won’t really push that 39m going forward. I think still one bad year on the books still for the 3 year period so a Scott sale helps take the pressure off there. I wonder though whether we think we are fine as is and maybe with one more(Knight?). So we can keep Scott and just not be able to add in January. 
 

Then if we must sell him next summer for 12-15m. Worse for accounts but with the last awful year dropping off we’d be fine anyway. If we say 13m a season, how close to that do you think we are getting this season? Are we still right up on it? Or have we shed the wage bill enough that we looking at more like 8-10m? 

The most important thing with Scott for me, is to get a sizable sell on clause, 

[JoeAman08]

15 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

The most important thing with Scott for me, is to get a sizable sell on clause, 

Agreed and why a west ham, Brighton or Wolves would be best. 

[Davefevs]

56 minutes ago, JoeAman08 said:

Yea just my opinion we won’t really push that 39m going forward.

Agree, think Steve is happy to support sensible losses…but not push £39m / 3 years.  Would not be surprised if he’s thinking - why am I pumping in £x million a year for someone else to invest.

37 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

The most important thing with Scott for me, is to get a sizable sell on clause, 

God, I’m disagreeing with you a lot today….what does Webster, Kelly, Brownhill tell you?  Get as much as you can upfront…it’s guaranteed.  You can’t plan with ifs and buts.

The only one that’s really done well for us is Bolassie…that was a freak sell-on though.

[Monkeh]

Just now, Davefevs said:

Agree, think Steve is happy to support sensible losses…but not push £39m / 3 years.  Would not be surprised if he’s thinking - why am I pumping in £x million a year for someone else to invest.

God, I’m disagreeing with you a lot today….what does Webster, Kelly, Brownhill tell you?  Get as much as you can upfront…it’s guaranteed.  You can’t plan with ifs and buts.

The only one that’s really done well for us is Bolassie…that was a freak sell-on though.

I'm talking about when he has 1 year left on his contract, as apposed to 2, 

[REDOXO]

9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Agree, think Steve is happy to support sensible losses…but not push £39m / 3 years.  Would not be surprised if he’s thinking - why am I pumping in £x million a year for someone else to invest.

God, I’m disagreeing with you a lot today….what does Webster, Kelly, Brownhill tell you?  Get as much as you can upfront…it’s guaranteed.  You can’t plan with ifs and buts.

The only one that’s really done well for us is Bolassie…that was a freak sell-on though.

Yes Bolaise was a happy freak. Sell ons are always there now. But the fee and the sell on clauses will be negotiated simultaneously. The biggest issue is a clause over a new contract. Ala the ones you mentioned. 

[AshtonRobin21]

West Ham are making their move according to sources at their end. (ExWHUemployee - via West Ham (C)entral - TWITTER) 

Interesting dynamic now, as we know they have money to spend. Meet the asking price, or no deal. 

I’ll be sad to see Scott go, as he’s a brilliant young player, who will only get better and better.

But, If he is to leave, at least we will have the majority of the window to strengthen the squad, instead of last minute panic buys. 

[Davefevs]

10 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

I'm talking about when he has 1 year left on his contract, as apposed to 2, 

But we all know (generally) the closer he gets to contract expiry the harder it is for us to call the shots.

Hypothetically now - £25m + add-ons + 15% sell-on

could become £15m + less add-ons + 10% sell-on next summer

Who know??

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

12 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Agree, think Steve is happy to support sensible losses…but not push £39m / 3 years.  Would not be surprised if he’s thinking - why am I pumping in £x million a year for someone else to invest.

God, I’m disagreeing with you a lot today….what does Webster, Kelly, Brownhill tell you?  Get as much as you can upfront…it’s guaranteed.  You can’t plan with ifs and buts.

The only one that’s really done well for us is Bolassie…that was a freak sell-on though.

I'm with you on this Dave. I can understand why sell-on clauses are inserted but how much have we actually made from them? Not much of significance that I can recall. 

 

 

[Monkeh]

9 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

But we all know (generally) the closer he gets to contract expiry the harder it is for us to call the shots.

Hypothetically now - £25m + add-ons + 15% sell-on

could become £15m + less add-ons + 10% sell-on next summer

Who know??

Roy da alien   hehe, but yea you're right,

[The Journalist]

20 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Agree, think Steve is happy to support sensible losses…but not push £39m / 3 years.  Would not be surprised if he’s thinking - why am I pumping in £x million a year for someone else to invest.

God, I’m disagreeing with you a lot today….what does Webster, Kelly, Brownhill tell you?  Get as much as you can upfront…it’s guaranteed.  You can’t plan with ifs and buts.

The only one that’s really done well for us is Bolassie…that was a freak sell-on though.

The only thing I would say with Alex Scott is... he's different, isn't he? He's a generational talent for a club like ours.

Brownhill's never looked close to being international quality. Kelly had huge potential but still had flaws with us, there were still parts to his game that were lacking. Webster was truly exceptional but was 24 when he left us and, really, had only had one mega year at Championship level.

Scott's 19 and is ready right now. I keep reading that West Ham/Tottenham/Wolves fans are saying it's a lot of money for potential. I don't think they're buying potential - they're buying a player who'll be a regular for them by Christmas.

All opinions, obviously, but with Scott more than any other player we've sold the sell-on clause will be a huge money maker.

[Gazred]

We should do exactly what West Ham have done with Rice and maximise the transfer. Not too often they get to sell a player on for big money, much like ourselves.

Seeing two of the best English midfielders go for around £100m this summer helps our valuation...i think.

[Grey Fox]

I’ve got a bright idea , why don’t we keep Alex Scott, win promotion to the Premier League, and make loads of money that way ? Just saying

[Mr Popodopolous]

Ben Jacobs and Chris Cowlin mentioned, suggested that they are the frontrunners.

[Hxj]

Ah but if we get promoted next season the drop in Scott's value is a drop in the ocean ...

[Lew-T]

7 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Ben Jacobs and Chris Cowlin mentioned, suggested that they are the frontrunners.

Didn’t Adam Webster go for around that fee? 4 years ago?

We got to be asking for £30m as a starting point.

[Finley_Smith10]

 

[GrahamC]

2 hours ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I'm with you on this Dave. I can understand why sell-on clauses are inserted but how much have we actually made from them? Not much of significance that I can recall. 

 

 

Bolasie, we paid just £20k for him.

Sold him to Palace for £350k, the sell on then netted us £5m, at the time one of the biggest fees we’d received for someone, who was no longer even our player.

Edited June 29, 2023 by GrahamC

[CyderInACan]

4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Bolasie, we paid just £20k for him.

Sold him to Palace for £350k, the sell on then netted us £5m, at the time one of the biggest fees we’d received for someone who was no longer our player.

I don’t think anyone saw that coming. Absolutely staggering. 

[Lew-T]

30 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

 

Sounds like they are talking to Scott’s representatives without bidding first?

[jambodinho]

Brozovic is off to the Saudi league so maybe we could see Inter Milan come in for Alex. 

[brad blit]

1 minute ago, Lew-T said:

Sounds like they are talking to Scott’s representatives without bidding first?

That’s pretty much the norm now, a bid could be as simple as a chat between a chairman, CEO, director or even manager between 2 clubs 

[Kid in the Riot]

6 minutes ago, Lew-T said:

Sounds like they are talking to Scott’s representatives without bidding first?

No issues with that.

4 minutes ago, jambodinho said:

Brozovic is off to the Saudi league so maybe we could see Inter Milan come in for Alex. 

For a paltry 23m euro. Inter fans not happy 

[Merrick's Marvels]

3 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

For a paltry 23m euro. Inter fans not happy 

Wow, that's a bargain. 

[The Bard]

£22 million is in the ball park.. West Ham or Brighton is where I think he'll go. European football means they  need more players and he'll get games

[Lew-T]

11 minutes ago, brad blit said:

That’s pretty much the norm now, a bid could be as simple as a chat between a chairman, CEO, director or even manager between 2 clubs 

 

6 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

No issues with that.

For a paltry 23m euro. Inter fans not happy 

Cool. I’m hoping the club stand firm with the fee though

[cidercity1987]

1 minute ago, The Bard said:

£22 million is in the ball park.. West Ham or Brighton is where I think he'll go. European football means they  need more players and he'll get games

Now it's becoming real it seems low. Right ballpark for Webster, rolls royce Champ player. But Scott is something else and so much younger.

[The Bard]

1 minute ago, cidercity1987 said:

Now it's becoming real it seems low. Right ballpark for Webster, rolls royce Champ player. But Scott is something else and so much younger.

£22 mill plus add ons.

£3 to £8 million 

[chinapig]

6 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Wow, that's a bargain. 

It is indeed. Brozovic is rather in the shadow of Modric so doesn't get as much credit as he should. A top player.

[Super]

3 minutes ago, The Bard said:

£22 mill plus add ons.

£3 to £8 million 

Hopefully 8 million not £3!

[Street red]

14 minutes ago, Super said:

Hopefully 8 million not £3!

£3 wouldn't buy his left thumb nail 

[Davefevs]

3 hours ago, The Journalist said:

The only thing I would say with Alex Scott is... he's different, isn't he? He's a generational talent for a club like ours.

Brownhill's never looked close to being international quality. Kelly had huge potential but still had flaws with us, there were still parts to his game that were lacking. Webster was truly exceptional but was 24 when he left us and, really, had only had one mega year at Championship level.

Scott's 19 and is ready right now. I keep reading that West Ham/Tottenham/Wolves fans are saying it's a lot of money for potential. I don't think they're buying potential - they're buying a player who'll be a regular for them by Christmas.

All opinions, obviously, but with Scott more than any other player we've sold the sell-on clause will be a huge money maker.

I guess the bigger the fee you get now (let’s say £25m), the more he needs to go for next time (if at all) to make “decent money”.

As I referenced and Graham backed up with more detail, Bolasie is the only one of real significance, it took a £20m+ “profit” to generate the £4-5m net (we had to give Plymouth some too iirc).

For Scott with a typical 15% sell-on, he would have to go for £60m to generate “Bolasie” sized sell-on.

Of course this might be achievable, this is Alex Scott.  But I’d rather squeeze the initial fee as much as possible.  It’s quite possible someone like West Ham might place conditions on the sell-on, e.g. as long as it happens in the first x years.  Add-ons need to be achievable too, international appearances, etc.

I do think when he goes we will get an incredible sum of money…and to that point I’m a bit blasé about what the fee will be.  It’s not my money, I don’t think we will be taken for mugs, so I’ll just go with it.

[George Rs]

When was the last time we quoted the £25m, hasn’t it been a couple months? 
 

With the hype around him and the amount of midfield talent moving this summer we could have upped our valuation just without making it public.

The £25m value does seem quite low when you take into account how much Webster was sold for but different times I suppose pre Covid and all that.

[real_bristol]

It has to be £25m plus in my opinion. It’s ridiculous money but I believe he could be the difference between achieving playoffs and not. That therefore means he could be the difference between promotion and not. That would get us more than £25m and Alex would be a Prem player. 
 

I’d be rubbish at this game. If I were SL I’d be saying do you know what “**** it, he’s not for sale and we’re going for it this season.” Just imagine the positivity around the place if he’s still our player when the window slams shut. 

[Grey Fox]

50 minutes ago, real_bristol said:

It has to be £25m plus in my opinion. It’s ridiculous money but I believe he could be the difference between achieving playoffs and not. That therefore means he could be the difference between promotion and not. That would get us more than £25m and Alex would be a Prem player. 
 

I’d be rubbish at this game. If I were SL I’d be saying do you know what “**** it, he’s not for sale and we’re going for it this season.” Just imagine the positivity around the place if he’s still our player when the window slams shut. 

Correct, why is everyone so desperate to sell ? Keep the lad , enjoy our football ️, and look to win promotion.

If we kept someone for once we could have a squad including Webster , Kelly , Brownhill , Semenyo and of course Scott and would possibly be favourites for going up.

[Grey Fox]

And Bobby Reid / Joe Bryan

[Monkeh]

16 minutes ago, Grey Fox said:

Correct, why is everyone so desperate to sell ? Keep the lad , enjoy our football ️, and look to win promotion.

If we kept someone for once we could have a squad including Webster , Kelly , Brownhill , Semenyo and of course Scott and would possibly be favourites for going up.

People aren't desperate to sell, people are Realist,

If 25m came in, there are 2 reasons the club can't turn it down, 1 if fills a massive hole in the budget, you may not of noticed but there is a thing called ffp, Bristol city have been close to exceeding this which in turn could of led to a transfer embargo and even a points deduction, Bristol city also lose between 12 and 18 million pounds a season, if it weren't for 1 person with deep pockets then the club wouldn't be in the championship,

2. We can't stand in the way of what probably is the best player ever produced at this club, promotion is not garenteed If Scott stays, where as moving to West ham for example garentees Scott prem football European football and a realistic chance of playing for England at a senior level,. That simply won't happen staying at Bristol city

Edited June 30, 2023 by Monkeh

[Kid in the Riot]

People need to wake up.

The club WANT to sell Alex Scott in this window. You only have to listen to the messaging from Pearson and Lansdown over the past 6 months to see that. Pearson has talked him up. "Premier League player" "will play for England". And Steve Lansdown has literally put a £25m price tag on him. You don't put a number on a player at the end of the season that you think will still be your player come the start of the season.

They know that now (with two years left on his contract) is likely the optimum time to sell him at his highest value. As soon as this window shuts it's very likely his value begins to depreciate as he isn't going to sign a new deal.

I've no doubt we'll play hardball on bids, but City want this deal to happen this summer, ideally as quickly as possible. 

[DT The Optimist]

18 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

 

I've no doubt we'll play hardball on bids, but City want this deal to happen this summer, ideally as quickly as possible. 

And I suspect most fans want this to happen as well ASAP so we can all move on and enjoy Match of the Day . Hope he gets more game time than Sem is going to get 

[RedRoss]

I can see that some people are saying £25m isn't enough and comparing deals of £105m for Declan and saying we got similar for Webster. Firstly Rice can't be compared one bit and Webster was sold for good money in a time that millions were being thrown around the Championship.

The Championship is a completely different financial landscape these days and I would argue if we had the money in for Alex if he is sold, that money would go much further on new additions to the squad and some retained for ffp and further transfer windows.

Plus I can see a few posters saying 'if' we get promoted Alex would be worth much more. I agree but that's a huge risk to take in my opinion.

Without all the sentiment of keeping Alex, I'm quite relaxed about the situation. I think we could be potentially better as a squad as well have a sizeable amount of cash for many transfer windows ahead and new additions. If he stays and I think that's unlikely he'll be part of a team that may propel us to the promise land.

 

[cidered abroad]

8 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

Yep, one sale that could see us not even think about FFP for the next 3 year cycle. Too big an opportunity to pass by, however much I'd love Scott to take Louis' appearance record!

ATYEO!

[Davefevs]

2 hours ago, Monkeh said:

People aren't desperate to sell, people are Realist,

If 25m came in, there are 2 reasons the club can't turn it down, 1 if fills a massive hole in the budget, you may not of noticed but there is a thing called ffp, Bristol city have been close to exceeding this which in turn could of led to a transfer embargo and even a points deduction, Bristol city also lose between 12 and 18 million pounds a season, if it weren't for 1 person with deep pockets then the club wouldn't be in the championship,

2. We can't stand in the way of what probably is the best player ever produced at this club, promotion is not garenteed If Scott stays, where as moving to West ham for example garentees Scott prem football European football and a realistic chance of playing for England at a senior level,. That simply won't happen staying at Bristol city

After a day of disagreeing, today is a new day and me and Monkeh are back agreeing!!!

[Grey Fox]

Aston Villa , Wolves and others were all very mindful of FFP the year they went up, weren’t they ? If we are always happy playing second fiddle , fine. Personally after supporting the club since 1966 I would like to actually win something.With a player like Scott, we stand a better chance of doing that.

Over to the accountants

[slartibartfast]

2 hours ago, Monkeh said:

People aren't desperate to sell, people are Realist,

If 25m came in, there are 2 reasons the club can't turn it down, 1 if fills a massive hole in the budget, you may not of noticed but there is a thing called ffp, Bristol city have been close to exceeding this which in turn could of led to a transfer embargo and even a points deduction, Bristol city also lose between 12 and 18 million pounds a season, if it weren't for 1 person with deep pockets then the club wouldn't be in the championship,

2. We can't stand in the way of what probably is the best player ever produced at this club, promotion is not garenteed If Scott stays, where as moving to West ham for example garentees Scott prem football European football and a realistic chance of playing for England at a senior level,. That simply won't happen staying at Bristol city

what does OF even mean.................it's HAVE .

[HoldenBall]

16 minutes ago, Grey Fox said:

Aston Villa , Wolves and others were all very mindful of FFP the year they went up, weren’t they ? If we are always happy playing second fiddle , fine. Personally after supporting the club since 1966 I would like to actually win something.With a player like Scott, we stand a better chance of doing that.

Over to the accountants

It’s the football food chain, good player for small club leaves for big club. Been like this since day dot. We’ve taken best players off of small clubs, Matty Taylor, Aden flint etc. it’s just the way it is 

[Fontaineofallknowledge]

19 minutes ago, Grey Fox said:

Aston Villa , Wolves and others were all very mindful of FFP the year they went up, weren’t they ? If we are always happy playing second fiddle , fine. Personally after supporting the club since 1966 I would like to actually win something.With a player like Scott, we stand a better chance of doing that.

Over to the accountants

Disagree. We are fairly close to FFP limits and keeping him puts all our eggs in one basket. What happens if he gets injured or suffers a loss of form? £25m plus a nice little sell on clause basically solves FFP and would allow us to really upgrade all areas of the pitch with more quality. 
 

I could get behind keeping him until Jan to see how we are getting on but we cannot let him enter the last 18 months of his contract imo.

[supercidered]

4 minutes ago, HoldenBall said:

It’s the football food chain, good player for small club leaves for big club. Been like this since day dot. We’ve taken best players off of small clubs, Matty Taylor, Aden flint etc. it’s just the way it is 

I like what you did there. Small clubs and Matty the Snake 

[Monkeh]

27 minutes ago, Grey Fox said:

Aston Villa , Wolves and others were all very mindful of FFP the year they went up, weren’t they ? If we are always happy playing second fiddle , fine. Personally after supporting the club since 1966 I would like to actually win something.With a player like Scott, we stand a better chance of doing that.

Over to the accountants

And if we don't go up? Are you happy to start on -10 points the following season with a 4 window transfer embargo and massive fines?

[downendcity]

2 hours ago, Grey Fox said:

And Bobby Reid / Joe Bryan

And Dioni and Engvali!

 

 

 

I know they're not academy players, before anyone points it out.

Edited June 30, 2023 by downendcity

[Tom]

Were Lois (Diony) and Gustav (Engvall) disguised as Italian players? I would hope we wouldn't fall for that.

Edited June 30, 2023 by Tom

[Grey Fox]

24 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said:

Disagree. We are fairly close to FFP limits and keeping him puts all our eggs in one basket. What happens if he gets injured or suffers a loss of form? £25m plus a nice little sell on clause basically solves FFP and would allow us to really upgrade all areas of the pitch with more quality. 
 

I could get behind keeping him until Jan to see how we are getting on but we cannot let him enter the last 18 months of his contract imo.

In other words, sell a quality player and buy a load of average ones instead? How about some ambition for once?

 

[Grey Fox]

20 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

And if we don't go up? Are you happy to start on -10 points the following season with a 4 window transfer embargo and massive fines?

I would like us to try to be successful, is that asking too much?

[The Coach]

1 minute ago, Grey Fox said:

I would like us to try to be successful, is that asking too much?

At City? Yes

[Grey Fox]

14 minutes ago, downendcity said:

And Dioni and Engvali!

 

 

 

I know they're not academy players, before anyone points it out.

Actually I forgot Luke Arlington.

But don’t talk to loud , you’re upset all of the accountants on here

Ayling, I hate predictive text

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, Grey Fox said:

In other words, sell a quality player and buy a load of average ones instead? How about some ambition for once?

 

No, that was the old regime, sell Webster for £20m, buy 12 players for more than £20m and increase the wage bill hugely in the process.

This regime are different.

Ambition is there, don’t worry…there’s many ways to skin a promotion cat!

[mozo]

15 hours ago, Grey Fox said:

I’ve got a bright idea , why don’t we keep Alex Scott, win promotion to the Premier League, and make loads of money that way ? Just saying

City's promotion odds are currently between 9/1 and 14s.

Whereas if we sell him now the cash is guaranteed.

Keeping him also carries the risk of an injury which could both devalue the player, and derail our promotion push.

I'd love to keep watching the kid every week, but I'd take an offer in excess of £20m with a sell on.

[Ian M]

26 minutes ago, Monkeh said:

And if we don't go up? Are you happy to start on -10 points the following season with a 4 window transfer embargo and massive fines?

That's not the choice though is it?!

The club have so far worked within what the expect the budget to be and haven't pre-spent any Scott fee. At the moment we are still spending Semenyo money.

If we got our sums wrong and we needed to plug a financial hole next Summer to avoid a FFP penalty, Alex doesn't suddenly become a free transfer because he only has 12 months left on his contract.

You are being alarmist.

We can either sell this Summer and reinvest, or see how keeping Alex with greater defensive solidity behind him serves us and sell if that doesn't equal promotion. But failing FFP is very unlikely imo.

[Grey Fox]

And what would our odds be if our squad included :

g/k Heaton

Back four Ayling, Webster, Kelly , Bryan

Midfield Brownhill, Scott , Naismith, Williams 

Forwards Semenyo , Reid 

Or we can just continue to be mediocre, I know what I prefer 

 

[TammyAB]

5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

No, that was the old regime, sell Webster for £20m, buy 12 players for more than £20m and increase the wage bill hugely in the process.

This regime are different.

Ambition is there, don’t worry…there’s many ways to skin a promotion cat!

Norwich sold James Maddison and got promoted

Sheff Utd sold David Brooks

Leeds sold Jack Clarke

 

Not direct comparisons to us but slightly interesting nonetheless

[Monkeh]

4 minutes ago, Ian M said:

That's not the choice though is it?!

The club have so far worked within what the expect the budget to be and haven't pre-spent any Scott fee. At the moment we are still spending Semenyo money.

If we got our sums wrong and we needed to plug a financial hole next Summer to avoid a FFP penalty, Alex doesn't suddenly become a free transfer because he only has 12 months left on his contract.

You are being alarmist.

We can either sell this Summer and reinvest, or see how keeping Alex with greater defensive solidity behind him serves us and sell if that doesn't equal promotion. But failing FFP is very unlikely imo.

It's not being alarmist, it's explaining to someone what would happen if we actively and willingly breached ffp rules, ask Derby County or Leeds or Sheffield Wednesday or Cardiff or Wigan