Alex Scott - £25m to Bournemouth- Confirmed

[DaveF]

5 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Rudoni is certainly one that we should be after. 

Possesses many similar attributes to Scott, and perhaps hasn’t received the plaudits yet because he has been playing in a very poor Huddersfield team. 

As you mention, he is one we should have tried for last year. 

Perhaps we did? Tho with Scott and Benarous we may have thought we didn't need him. Also Huddersfield were more of a pull last summer.

[brad blit]

If City were reasonably confident of selling Scott in the coming days/weeks then surely its in the clubs best interests to try signing players (or at least agree a fee) before officially Scott, as selling clubs would obviously use the fact we have just received a hefty initial payment against us during negotiations.

[Spike]

1 hour ago, Fat Cigar said:

We need a new GK. Despite what Pearson says, I'm still unconvinced by Max. Bentley was a far better keeper. So, some of this Scott money needs to go towards a couple of new midfielders and a better keeper. 

The issue is that it's not about the "best", it's what's best for the team. We were conceding a lot of crosses and corners at the time the change was made and one huge difference between Max and Dan was Max will come out and collect a ball from a cross or corner, Bentley's most telling weakness was that he wasn't confident with crosses coming into the box and so he'd stay on his line. What happened at that time was we conceded a lot of goals from situations where Max would claim the ball and it put extra pressure on the defenders to win headers. Since Max has taken over we've seen a few goals go in that bents would have saved as he was the better shot-stopper but we've also seen our defence grow in confidence because Max will call and come for the ball taking the pressure off of them to win every header. 

If we sign a new keeper then they'd have to not only be good at shot stopping in order to push Max out of his position but also still be able to come out, command his area and catch or punch crosses. In the modern game those kinds of keepers are big bucks because clubs tend to buy keepers based on their specific abilities.

[RedRoss]

29 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

They should make a play for Jack Rudoni if Scott goes.  No idea what he would cost, but we could’ve / should’ve had him for zilch last summer.

He's on my list and was before he went to Huddersfield. I've noticed they've not been active on transfers. Do they need to sell?

[Riaz]

13 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

He’s based down there. It’s his local club . He comes across a bit biased towards them 

But "supports" Man Utd

[One Team]

45 minutes ago, brad blit said:

No chance will half the money be reinvested. I could see City signings 2-3 players within 5million budget to Improve the squad in weak areas 

Agreed, say he sells for £25m I would expect 10-25% to be made available. 

[Monkeh]

27 minutes ago, brad blit said:

If City were reasonably confident of selling Scott in the coming days/weeks then surely its in the clubs best interests to try signing players (or at least agree a fee) before officially Scott, as selling clubs would obviously use the fact we have just received a hefty initial payment against us during negotiations.

I dont think we will sign for the sake of it, like we use too,

We will only get some one if they are better then the current crop, and that would include ones for the future,

I do think we need a number one, I just don't think Max is good enough at this level, not saying he's bad and I'm reasonably comfortable with him starting, but I don't think he's the long term solution for that position,

[Mr Popodopolous]

If this is to believed, Wolves are getting closer but it isn't yet £25m.

[mozo]

9 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

If this is to believed, Wolves are getting closer but it isn't yet £25m.

What do these sources mean when they say 'preparing'? 

[chinapig]

5 minutes ago, mozo said:

What do these sources mean when they say 'preparing'? 

It's the bit between considering and making.

In other words I have no idea either.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

I'm getting bored with this now. If it ain't £25M then we're not going to accept it so stop wasting our time with both the bid and the reporting of it. 

[Curr Avon]

5 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I'm getting bored with this now. If it ain't £25M then we're not going to accept it so stop wasting our time with both the bid and the reporting of it. 

Its not just that - I need a bigger F5 button!

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, DaveF said:

Perhaps we did? Tho with Scott and Benarous we may have thought we didn't need him. Also Huddersfield were more of a pull last summer.

He wasn’t a target last summer!!!  We (Harry’s group) recommended him.

53 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

He's on my list and was before he went to Huddersfield. I've noticed they've not been active on transfers. Do they need to sell?

They are a bit hamstrung I think.

19 minutes ago, mozo said:

What do these sources mean when they say 'preparing'? 

What is the point of “nearer” also!

[Fordy62]

I think he’ll be at Wolves for 12 months before a big club pays £60m for him. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

23 minutes ago, mozo said:

What do these sources mean when they say 'preparing'? 

One for @Davefevs I think but my basic understanding is that you don't just make a bid, but may lay groundwork, agents may 'sound out' agents, then obviously contractual terms, payment structure etc, probably the Manager, Financial department and Scouting department may all liaise at the Wolves end before 'push the button' and deciding whether to make an official bid.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Son of Fred]

9 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

I'm getting bored with this now. If it ain't £25M then we're not going to accept it so stop wasting our time with both the bid and the reporting of it. 

I'd still take 24

[Selred]

1 minute ago, Davefevs said:

He wasn’t a target last summer!!!  We (Harry’s group) recommended him.

57 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

Local press suggests otherwise

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-huddersfield-town-sunderland-7227631

[Sleepy1968]

22 minutes ago, mozo said:

What do these sources mean when they say 'preparing'? 

Someone edits the word doc. Someone agrees the edit. Goes to CEO. He sends back for further amendment/typo that hadn't been spotted in previous bids. Gets printed, signed off by CEO, faxed to city by secretary (I still like to think the fax is used).

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

One for @Davefevs I think but my basic understanding is that you don't just make a bid, but may lay groundwork, agents may 'sound out' agents, then obviously contractual terms, payment structure etc, probably the Manager, Financial department and Scouting department may all liaise at the Wolves end before 'push the button' and deciding whether to make an official bid.

My view is that they are just playing word-spaghetti to make it look like they know.

2 minutes ago, Selred said:

Local press suggests otherwise

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-huddersfield-town-sunderland-7227631

Yes, recall that.  Wasn’t our understanding.  Maybe I’d have been better to have said “I don’t think he was a target”, rather than try to be so categoric.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Were we in a position to pay fees last summer out of interest? There were some serious concerns about the financial side, save for the development fee for Wilson we went almost 3 windows without paying one and thst logjam only cleared up when Semenyo went.

As in January 2022, summer 2022 and most of January 2023..up until Semenyo went.

I think even Bamba on a free was deemed and yeah footballing reasons too, was deemed questionable financially in September 2022.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[George Rs]

Just now, Davefevs said:

My view is that they are just playing word-spaghetti to make it look like they know.

100%. FootballInsider have rehashed the same article twice since wolves second bid having no actually news. 
 

A “Source” told them that wolves are closing in on the bid. Most likely someone in wolves team to keep rumours circulating. Will be trying to have as much media attention as possible to unsettle Alex and hope he forces the move. 
 

Just wait till Percy/Bcfcshags reports something imo.

[Show Me The Money!]

I'm still waiting for the £50 million Saudi bid 

[Mr Popodopolous]

It may turn out to be just a rehash but I am inclined to believe that the next bid by Wolves will also fall below £25m.

Higher than before but short of £25m. We shall see but just a gut feeling.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Show Me The Money!]

5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It may turn out to be just a rehash but I am inclined to believe that the next bid by Wolves will also fall below £25m.

Higher than before but short of £25m. We shall see.

£24,999,999.99

[cidercity1987]

Surely its getting to a point where we say to Alex

'Look we have had a £23m bid, its below our asking price and we don't want to sell but if you want Wolves then we will accept

If you don't want Wolves then we would like you to sign this contract with £££ payrise and £30m release clause'

 

[Glen hump]

5 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Surely its getting to a point where we say to Alex

'Look we have had a £23m bid, its below our asking price and we don't want to sell but if you want Wolves then we will accept

If you don't want Wolves then we would like you to sign this contract with £££ payrise and £30m release clause'

 

Piece of piss , jobs a good un

[Ian M]

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

If this is to believed, Wolves are getting closer but it isn't yet £25m.

On Alex Scott, #bcfc are now preparing to reject an improved offer for the England Under-20 international as it does not match the £25m asking price.

This now the fourth Wolves bid for Scott to be rejected, having seen a bid rejected for his services in the January window and two this summer.

[mozo]

34 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

One for @Davefevs I think but my basic understanding is that you don't just make a bid, but may lay groundwork, agents may 'sound out' agents, then obviously contractual terms, payment structure etc, probably the Manager, Financial department and Scouting department may all liaise at the Wolves end before 'push the button' and deciding whether to make an official bid.

Yeah could be all sorts of admin, but as Fevs says, probably just a fluffy word for the journo to make a guess...

Wolves have been 'preparing' a third bid for two days now. It must be an incredibly complex bid!!

15 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It may turn out to be just a rehash but I am inclined to believe that the next bid by Wolves will also fall below £25m.

Higher than before but short of £25m. We shall see but just a gut feeling.

Yeah, £23/24m 'final' offer wouldn't surprise me! But possibly with a sweetener in there.

[Mr Popodopolous]

8 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Surely its getting to a point where we say to Alex

'Look we have had a £23m bid, its below our asking price and we don't want to sell but if you want Wolves then we will accept

If you don't want Wolves then we would like you to sign this contract with £££ payrise and £30m release clause'

 

Provided that the pay rise doesn't tip us over FFP of course. If we were to offer him a rise to £40-50k per week, would that be a factor...how far both could we go and would we go in terms of a pay increase.

I don't think we would pay this at this level btw but I wonder what the maximum we would or could offer him might be.

[Bat Fastard]

The odd £1m or even several hundred thousands of £s are really important in any business. They will try to find a formula with add ons that will satisfy all parties and save as much as possible. Every offer will be subject to meetings and discussions between the executives who will make the offer. They are judged on such things, that is why it can seem to take an age. We seem to do our work under cover as far as possible, maybe it is more difficult with a Premier league set up.

[MC RISK77]

16 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

£24,999,999.99

Haha reminds me when on being quoted that it would take at least £40m to sign Luis Suarez from Liverpool- Arsene Wenger offered £40,000,000.01

[Major Isewater]

20 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

£24,999,999.99

No deal it’s 25 million or get off the pot. 

[Selred]

17 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

If you don't want Wolves then we would like you to sign this contract with £££ payrise and £30m release clause'

 

Why would he do that? What benefit does it give to him?

[soultrader]

 

46 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

One for @Davefevs I think but my basic understanding is that you don't just make a bid, but may lay groundwork, agents may 'sound out' agents, then obviously contractual terms, payment structure etc, probably the Manager, Financial department and Scouting department may all liaise at the Wolves end before 'push the button' and deciding whether to make an official bid.

Did they not do all that before they made the previous official bids?

Surely (don't call me that) the only thing to do now is haggle (see pg7) on the exact price?

 

Fiver this post goes to 150pages before we see a done deal

 

[soultrader]

25 minutes ago, Show Me The Money! said:

£24,999,999.99

Should accept that (in pound notes) ... then say .. "sorry mate, havent got any change"

[Rudolf Hucker]

2 minutes ago, soultrader said:

Fiver this post goes to 150pages before we see a done deal

Will £4.75 be ok?

[Mr Popodopolous]

7 minutes ago, soultrader said:

 

Did they not do all that before they made the previous official bids?

Surely (don't call me that) the only thing to do now is haggle (see pg7) on the exact price?

 

Fiver this post goes to 150pages before we see a done deal

 

Would have thought so but maybe it's also a case of "If we bid £x for this player then we can spend a certain amount on other bits of the side but if we raise this £x to £x+ on this player, how does this impact upon our budget for a new striker".

That's football considerations but financially it may depend how far clear of FFP they now are or I dunno cash flow, other areas of expenditure in the club, a few moving parts.

I'm speculating too somewhat, granted! 

Edited July 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[RedRoss]

I can see alot of posters saying we could take 'x' amount plus 'x' player.

If we interested in that type of arrangement and I'm assuming we just want a straight up fee, would this in theory be better for us in terms of FFP or is it more of a cash flow benefit? @Mr Popodopolous

[Davefevs]

19 minutes ago, mozo said:

Yeah, £23/24m 'final' offer wouldn't surprise me! But possibly with a sweetener in there.

We are after the Ukrainian - Sacharin?

 

[Davefevs]

19 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Provided that the pay rise doesn't tip us over FFP of course. If we were to offer him a rise to £40-50k per week, would that be a factor...how far both could we go and would we go in terms of a pay increase.

I don't think we would pay this at this level btw but I wonder what the maximum we would or could offer him might be.

We won’t be offering him that kind of money, goes completely against the wage structure Nige is working to / with.  Imagine he’d have several players in the squad knocking on his door.  Not gonna happen.

I can only guess that £12-15k p.w and some of that might be maximum, inc appearance money.

17 minutes ago, MC RISK77 said:

Haha reminds me when on being quoted that it would take at least £40m to sign Luis Suarez from Liverpool- Arsene Wenger offered £40,000,000.01

Even better when Super Mac (Malcom McDonald) signed for Arsenal for 1/3 of a million, the cheque was written for £333,333.34p.  The old Arsenal owner (Hill-Wood???) said I don’t want Newcastle bleating about the 1p!

12 minutes ago, Selred said:

Why would he do that? What benefit does it give to him?

In respect of the release clause?  Dunno, but you’d imagine if he signs a new deal (assuming he stays) there is some sensible conversation about what that amount needs to be.  Finding that compromise might not be easy.

[Mr Popodopolous]

13 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

I can see alot of posters saying we could take 'x' amount plus 'x' player.

If we interested in that type of arrangement and I'm assuming we just want a straight up fee, would this in theory be better for us in terms of FFP or is it more of a cash flow benefit? @Mr Popodopolous

I suppose it can depend on when the add-ons are triggered too. A straight up fee feels best to me but if say he stayed at his new club if he goes this summer for 4 or 5 years or longer, may really flourish there, that headroom and fee would stay on the FFP books until 2025-26. That 3 year cycle.

Come 2026-27 it would no longer be a factor. Whereas if add-ons were triggered in 2024-25, the benefit would stay on the books until 2026-27, if in 3 years time an add-on was triggered it would stay relevant until 2028-29 etc. Can depend on size of add-ons, ease of achievement etc but in theory it could give us a nice little top up every now and then. Certainly not a major one but a certain amount that can help.

Forgot to add, cash flow isn't a factor really for us so long as SL is able and willing to keep topping up as and when. Must not take it for granted but doesn't feel like a major factor for this deal.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[redpole]

10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

We are after the Ukrainian - Sacharin?

 

That was quick for you

[ScottishRed]

I strongly suspect we are entering the area of ‘saving face’.  Wolves do not want to be seen to be meeting our asking price and losing the ‘stand off’. 

They wont risk losing the player for the sake of say 500k but they will continue to bid below the £25m, hoping that we cave in.

Standard negotiation tactic in all businesses. It’s not about the amount but more about the ego of the people making and evaluating the bid.

You can be certain that if another club come in with £25m straight off the bat, Wolves will almost instantly match it.

[cidercity1987]

29 minutes ago, Selred said:

Why would he do that? What benefit does it give to him?

If he suffers a career ending injury tomorrow he'll have 2 years at his current wage. Sign a new contract he has more money and a longer contract

I would have thought that's obvious

[Swede]

Wolves would be the last club to sign for. They were lucky to stay up last season, have potential FFP issues which may be solved to a certain extent by recent sales. Plus Alex doesn't speak Portuguese to the best of my knowledge.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Hmm..

I'll be honest I know little about him but he is a midfielder. As well as or instead of Scott? Like their links with Doyle the other day.

[George Rs]

3 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Hmm..

I'll be honest I know little about him but he is a midfielder. As well as or instead of Scott? Like their links with Doyle the other day.

If they do sign this fella can’t see them spending 25m on Scott as well. This would be their sixth central midfielder, at least 4 of them fighting for starting places. 

[Bristol Rob]

It's all likely to be far more complicated than we realise, if we accept £24mil (for example) it might be that they'll pay it in two installments, could be that they've said 'Well, okay, have £25mil, but that'll be paid over five installments'.

 

[Selred]

56 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

If he suffers a career ending injury tomorrow he'll have 2 years at his current wage. Sign a new contract he has more money and a longer contract

I would have thought that's obvious

He's joining a Premier League team on a hefty wage, be it this window, the next, or next summer. A contract will only increase his value, which may price teams out and stop him getting his Premier League move (and FAR more money). We are selling now for £25m, which is close to being hit, why enforce himself a £30m?

The odds of him sustaining a career ending injury is incredibly low. I would have thought that's obvious.

[Not Banksy]

Must have been mentioned a few times already but don’t feel Wolves is the best move for Scott… when you consider teams like Brighton were apparently in for him... it’s a good move don’t get me wrong .. PL football.. better financial package.. but honestly thought with his talent he would have had a more attractive unquestionable offer on the table 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Just now, Not Banksy said:

Must have been mentioned a few times already but don’t feel Wolves is the best move for Scott… when you consider teams like Brighton were apparently in for him... it’s a good move don’t get me wrong .. PL football.. better financial package.. but honestly thought with his talent he would have had a more attractive unquestionable offer on the table 

Perhaps Brighton won't move bigger until Caicedo sold.

I could also see him doing alright at Brentford, especially if they're moving back towards their 4-3-3 but that's all hypothetical as they haven't been credited with a bid or anything.

[RedRoss]

2 minutes ago, Not Banksy said:

Must have been mentioned a few times already but don’t feel Wolves is the best move for Scott… when you consider teams like Brighton were apparently in for him... it’s a good move don’t get me wrong .. PL football.. better financial package.. but honestly thought with his talent he would have had a more attractive unquestionable offer on the table 

You have to remember we do have some 'bias' on AS's ability.. I think he'll strive in the Premier League eventually but I don't see that as a full gone conclusion straight away. The analysts and scout might be put off by the fee for someone so young who has amounted alot of Championship games but has only cracked this league so far.

[Glen hump]

4 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

You have to remember we do have some 'bias' on AS's ability.. I think he'll strive in the Premier League eventually but I don't see that as a full gone conclusion straight away. The analysts and scout might be put off by the fee for someone so young who has amounted alot of Championship games but has only cracked this league so far.

 He could thrive as well as strive.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

2 hours ago, Son of Fred said:

I'd still take 24

And I still won't. Do you own a shop? If so can I have 4% off the minimum RRP for goods within it. 

[slartibartfast]

1 minute ago, Glen hump said:

 He could thrive as well as strive.

Well, that's a foregone conclusion .

[chinapig]

12 minutes ago, RedRoss said:

but I don't see that as a full gone conclusion straight away.

According to John Percy in the Telegraph Lopetegui thinks he is ready now.

[Merrick's Marvels]

1 hour ago, ScottishRed said:

I strongly suspect we are entering the area of ‘saving face’.  Wolves do not want to be seen to be meeting our asking price and losing the ‘stand off’. 

They wont risk losing the player for the sake of say 500k but they will continue to bid below the £25m, hoping that we cave in.

Won't matter because I think it's highly unlikely we'll ever be told, officially. 

I'd bet more than a few quid on City announcing Scott's departure for "a club record undisclosed fee" and Wolves announcing his arrival for "an undisclosed fee". 

We'll be left with various media outlets and sources quoting figures and we'll have to decide which ones to believe. 

Edited July 19, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[Mr Popodopolous]

30 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Won't matter because I think it's highly unlikely we'll ever be told, officially. 

I'd bet more than a few quid on City announcing Scott's departure for "a club record undisclosed fee" and Wolves announcing his arrival for "an undisclosed fee". 

We'll be left with various media outlets and sources quoting figures and we'll be left to decide which ones to believe. 

The 2023-24 accounts will give a strong clue, for us anyway- Profit on Disposal etc.

The bulk of it will almost certainly be Scott, we don't have a sell on clause to Guernsey although do Solidarity fees factor in here.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Son of Fred]

13 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

And I still won't. Do you own a shop? If so can I have 4% off the minimum RRP for goods within it. 

I'll see what I can do

[deadredfred]

13 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Well, that's a foregone conclusion .

Will Alex be successful at Wolves? I'll let you be the judge of that when I tell you that he was once supported by a little-known Scottish outfit called Texas

[RedRoss]

19 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Well, that's a foregone conclusion .

Ha that's me trying to post when supposedly working. You get my drift!

[Red white and red]

6 minutes ago, deadredfred said:

Will Alex be successful at Wolves? I'll let you be the judge of that when I tell you that he was once supported by a little-known Scottish outfit called Texas

They couldn’t run a successful paper merchants in Slough. 

[Super]

Wish the window closed tomorrow this is painfully boring now.

[Sir Geoff]

1 hour ago, Swede said:

Wolves would be the last club to sign for. They were lucky to stay up last season, have potential FFP issues which may be solved to a certain extent by recent sales. Plus Alex doesn't speak Portuguese to the best of my knowledge.

Sorry but have to disagree with this. I think Wolves would be perfect. He would be signing for a Manager that wants him and will give him plenty of minutes. Lopetegu is a top manager (too good for Wolves, possibly) that likes to play a good style of football. Wolves are now a well run 'family' club and if Alex does well would be a great stepping stone to a top 6 club in 2/3 years time.

As long as he speaks Spanish and the manager understands him, Portugese won't matter.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Sir Geoff
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[Davefevs]

37 minutes ago, Selred said:

He's joining a Premier League team on a hefty wage, be it this window, the next, or next summer. A contract will only increase his value, which may price teams out and stop him getting his Premier League move (and FAR more money). We are selling now for £25m, which is close to being hit, why enforce himself a £30m?

The odds of him sustaining a career ending injury is incredibly low. I would have thought that's obvious.

But you’d mitigate that risk wouldn’t you, in some shape or form?

14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The 2023-24 accounts will give us a strong clue, for us anyway- Profit on Disposal etc.

The bulk of it will almost certainly be Scott, we don't have a sell on clause to Guernsey although do Solidarity fees factor in here.

Guernsey aren’t part of the EPPP or FIFA scheme, so there shouldn’t be anything due.  I reckon we gave them a nice little “thank you” when we signed him.

[RedRoss]

15 minutes ago, chinapig said:

According to John Percy in the Telegraph Lopetegui thinks he is ready now.

That's my point. Its only Wolves and Bournemouth who've shown genuine interest with bids so clearly their staff think he's ready. I was replying to a poster who was saying why is he potentially going there and falling short of 'better' clubs. I think he's ready but I'm just saying we do have our own bias on his ability and maybe that's not shared across the board at other clubs.

[Merrick's Marvels]

32 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

The 2023-24 accounts will give us a strong clue, for us anyway- Profit on Disposal etc.

Yes you're right.

We'll still be in the dark about the various add-ons though. So his ultimate value to us will remain a mystery as I bet there will be quite a few add-ons - a sell on clause and full international caps being the two obvious ones - and it might be a few years yet before we see the benefit of these. Good luck with keeping tabs on it all! But if anyone can... 

Edited July 19, 2023 by Merrick's Marvels

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Yes you're right.

We'll still be in the dark about the various add-ons though. So his ultimate value to us will remain a mystery as I bet there will be quite a few add-ons - a sell on clause and full international caps being the two obvious things that will trigger more money for us - and it might be a few years yet before we see the benefit of these. Good luck with keeping tabs on all that! 

Yep, will be pure guesswork.

Although we didn’t get / haven’t yet got sell-ons for Brownhill, Kelly and Webster, we did earn some add-ons for them, ie appearances, non-relegation.

[W-S-M Seagull]

6 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

I cant really see, even with scott staying, that we will pull ourselves up 14 places based on the signings weve made? What from the last 8 years would give us any evidence that this will be our season finally?! If we could cut down on weak goals conceded and finish top 10 that would be a result as far as i can see.

We finished just 3 wins off of the play offs.

[Davefevs]

15 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

We finished just 3 wins off of the play offs.

Add a few “net” penalties….that’s probably 4 points, a couple of games thrown away….we weren’t far off were we.