Alex Scott - £25m to Bournemouth- Confirmed

[Mendip City]

2 hours ago, Dolman_Stand said:

Arguably the price we quote to Spurs would be higher as the sell on chances would diminish

This is how the club should be thinking. 
the bigger the club we sell to the lower the chance of a sell-on for a profit. 

[Redrascal2]

Today's BBC Gossip column says that Wolves are going to make a third and final offer. Sorry if this has been mentioned already 

[Loosey Boy]

5 hours ago, Redrascal2 said:

Today's BBC Gossip column says that Wolves are going to make a third and final offer. Sorry if this has been mentioned already 

Given where this rumour comes from (Givemesport), feels like a re-hash of previous rumours over the past few weeks, since their 2nd bid was rejected.

Ever since then, all the other rumours suggest that Wolves have FFP concerns still and so can’t afford Alex.

As things stand, can’t see him going there….

[soultrader]

15 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I don’t think anyone knows whether there are any add-ons at all, let alone the amount, or what the construct might be!  It’s just guesswork / speculation.

It sounds like the numbers round on Countdown

1 big number

5m in whatever addons you like

[Silvio Dante]

Increasingly confident he’ll start the season here.

That “givemesport” article has a line in it that feels nonsense to me - it indicates bigger clubs are not paying £25m as he’s not a guaranteed starter. With respect, that’s nonsense. Big clubs in todays market go north of £20m for players who are just squad players - check Chelsea last season and even today Arsenal are rumoured to be paying £40m for Raya to act as sub goalkeeper.

Where the truth probably is on that is that Alex Scott doesn’t want to go somewhere and not play - he’s seen it with his England midfield partner. The bigger clubs may rate him, they may not - but Scott’s long held approach of wanting to play means that right now, his aims and the aims of probably the top 8-10 don’t align.

So, we’re in a position where it is the Wolves and Bournemouths of the world in the running. And I think he’s too sensible to want to go to the skipfire of the former, while the latter have gone quiet.

I think he’s here for half one of the season. If he then plays as we know he can, and establishes himself at England U21, then that alignment come January or next summer changes the equation for all parties.

[Mr Popodopolous]

Perhaps both will be accurate.

Wolves will make a third and final offer but it will fall short of £25m  Or they may offer a loan to buy or a lower fee plus part exchange.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

5 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Perhaps both will be accurate.

Wolves will make a third and final offer but it will fall short of £25m  Or they may offer a loan to buy or a lower fee plus part exchange.

And once again they will be told to go forth and multiply. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

To begin with I thought Alex could do better than Wolves, and I still believe he can. However for us I'm starting to think Wolves may be a great move as if they get relegated then after a season of impressing in the Premier League he may quickly get another move back to the Premier League which will see us get a sell on fee. 

Edited July 31, 2023 by W-S-M Seagull

[ciderwithtommy]

Hmmm - i would assume that bornmuff and wolves have spoken to his entourage and a) he would leave if the bid is accepted and b) he can agree terms (which probs are already done). It does feel like it’s got to be this week or never for wolves, as they will have to move some players in pretty urgently and certainly don’t have unlimited funds.  I have no inside info, but my take is it will happen this week, and that we have probably maximised his value by playing really hard ball. However I would love to see him here until Jan. 
 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

We are 140 pages in now and for me 3 things have become clear:

1) City don't want to sell (hence the hardball) 

2) The sit down price before we consider a sale is £25M and nothing less will do (hence the hardball) 

3) Quite a few on here would have happily sold their brand new still in the box Corgi James Bond Aston Martin for a winning conker and 2 everlasting gob stoppers. 

Edited July 31, 2023 by RoystonFoote'snephew
Typo alteration

[chinapig]

14 minutes ago, ciderwithtommy said:

It does feel like it’s got to be this week or never for wolves, as they will have to move some players in pretty urgently and certainly don’t have unlimited funds.
 

They also have to move players out including some Lopetegui doesn't want to lose. He said recently that they can't even afford their plan B now!

If that happens and he doesn't get Scott either I can see him walking.

[Dolman_Stand]

3 minutes ago, chinapig said:

They also have to move players out including some Lopetegui doesn't want to lose. He said recently that they can't even afford their plan B now!

If that happens and he doesn't get Scott either I can see him walking.

Makes you think why would a promising player like Scott want to go there?

[chinapig]

9 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said:

Makes you think why would a promising player like Scott want to go there?

Not exactly a stable club is it? Their owners Fosun are being hit by the Chinese government restricting the movement of money out of the country also.

Lopetegui really wants Alex but their plan B was to sign young players in the £8m to £15m range so it's hard to see them meeting our valuation and payment terms. We will soon know I suppose.

[Grey Fox]

34 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

We are 140 pages in now and for me 3 things have become clear:

1) City don't want to sell (hence the hardball) 

2) The sit down price before we consider a sale is £25M and nothing less will do (hence the hardball) 

3) Quite a few on here would have happily sold their brand new still in the box Corgi James Bond Aston Martin for a winning conker and 2 everlasting gob stoppers. 

Great isn't it, City really showing ambition, not just words.

Time to "believe" 

 

COYRs

[cidercity1987]

38 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

We are 140 pages in now and for me 3 things have become clear:

1) City don't want to sell (hence the hardball) 

2) The sit down price before we consider a sale is £25M and nothing less will do (hence the hardball) 

3) Quite a few on here would have happily sold their brand new still in the box Corgi James Bond Aston Martin for a winning conker and 2 everlasting gob stoppers. 

Seems great until someone meets our valuation on the last day with no time to replace him. A la Webster

[Jerseybean]

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Perhaps both will be accurate.

Wolves will make a third and final offer but it will fall short of £25m  Or they may offer a loan to buy or a lower fee plus part exchange.

https://www.molineux.news/transfer-news/my-information-is-journalist-says-wolves-set-to-make-final-bid-for-25m-gem-this-week/

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

12 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

https://www.molineux.news/transfer-news/my-information-is-journalist-says-wolves-set-to-make-final-bid-for-25m-gem-this-week/

That won't happen for 2 reasons. Either:

1) we won't sell because there's not enough time to finalise the details of the deal (£25M is the sit down and talk price not the selling price) 

2)  we've already got a replacement agreed. 

[AshtonRobin21]

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

To begin with I thought Alex could do better than Wolves, and I still believe he can. However for us I'm starting to think Wolves may be a great move as if they get relegated then after a season of impressing in the Premier League he may quickly get another move back to the Premier League which will see us get a sell on fee. 

Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be the ideal situation for us. 

A sell-on fee % is based on any PROFIT of any transfer fee. A relegation would limit the likelihood of profit being made. 

We need to ensure that this deal is the best possible, not only for the immediate finances, but to also insure that we are benefiting in the future too. 

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

To begin with I thought Alex could do better than Wolves, and I still believe he can. However for us I'm starting to think Wolves may be a great move as if they get relegated then after a season of impressing in the Premier League he may quickly get another move back to the Premier League which will see us get a sell on fee. 

Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be the ideal situation for us. 

A sell-on fee % is based on any PROFIT of any transfer fee. A relegation would limit the likelihood of profit being made. 

We need to ensure that this deal is the best possible, not only for the immediate finances, but to also insure that we are benefiting in the future too. 

1 hour ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

To begin with I thought Alex could do better than Wolves, and I still believe he can. However for us I'm starting to think Wolves may be a great move as if they get relegated then after a season of impressing in the Premier League he may quickly get another move back to the Premier League which will see us get a sell on fee. 

Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be the ideal situation for us. 

A sell-on fee % is based on any PROFIT of any transfer fee. A relegation would limit the likelihood of profit being made. 

We need to ensure that this deal is the best possible, not only for the immediate finances, but to also insure that we are benefiting in the future too.

[redkev]

12 hours ago, Monkeh said:

The price is 25 million that will be quoted to Bury or Barcelona 

Which Barcelona is that the one in Spain or the one north of the river 

[Major Isewater]

1 hour ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

2 everlasting gob stoppers. 

At least they’d still have something to show for the deal. 

[Monkeh]

32 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

Seems great until someone meets our valuation on the last day with no time to replace him. A la Webster

We are in a position  to say no or he will only move if we sign a replacement first,

As he has 2 years left, we hold the cards

[Northern Red]

And we've come full circle, for what must be at least the tenth time in the thread.

Someone mention Brighton again to get us going.

[Mr Popodopolous]

I'm sure clubs will continue to try to lowball a bit. It's not an uncommon tactic especially if the player isn't playing in the PL or one of a few other top clubs or divisions in Europe.

Seems to be a certain confidence among a few on Bournemouth forum that they can negotiate downwards.

Edited July 31, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[joe jordans teeth]

39 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be the ideal situation for us. 

A sell-on fee % is based on any PROFIT of any transfer fee. A relegation would limit the likelihood of profit being made. 

We need to ensure that this deal is the best possible, not only for the immediate finances, but to also insure that we are benefiting in the future too. 

Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be the ideal situation for us. 

A sell-on fee % is based on any PROFIT of any transfer fee. A relegation would limit the likelihood of profit being made. 

We need to ensure that this deal is the best possible, not only for the immediate finances, but to also insure that we are benefiting in the future too. 

Unfortunately, this wouldn’t be the ideal situation for us. 

A sell-on fee % is based on any PROFIT of any transfer fee. A relegation would limit the likelihood of profit being made. 

We need to ensure that this deal is the best possible, not only for the immediate finances, but to also insure that we are benefiting in the future too.

Understood 

[GrahamC]

27 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

And we've come full circle, for what must be at least the tenth time in the thread.

Someone mention Brighton again to get us going.

Or “I’m surprised that West Ham aren’t interested”..

[Monkeh]

33 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

And we've come full circle, for what must be at least the tenth time in the thread.

Someone mention Brighton again to get us going.

Brighton may well put a bid in when the sell that 100m midfielder 

He's electric 

[chinapig]

47 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Or “I’m surprised that West Ham aren’t interested”..

There's a power struggle going on at West Ham. They keep being linked with multiple players but don't seem to be actually bidding for any.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jul/29/west-ham-transfer-power-struggle-david-moyes-tim-steidten

[Red]

Might as well add to this book!

 

https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-city/alex-scott-bristol-city-west-ham-4236735?fbclid=IwAR23klZHd28n32sEMT0_sGhjo1kGlJ-n5raVTK56L0er11Z0VfTHuJgDBMY

[George Rs]

Apart from wanting game time does anyone have anything concrete on Alex/his camps position.

Might have learnt from the hundreds of players who grasp at the chance for premier league football at the first opportunity just to not be ready. 
 

Think another year in the championship would allow him to consolidate the parts of his game we already knows he’s brilliant at whilst working on his attacking output now that we have a much improved defence behind him.

All speculation obviously but I can’t see him going before the Preston game. And the longer teams wait after that the less likely we are to sell as finding a replacement will be that much more difficult. 

[cidered abroad]

2 hours ago, Red said:

Might as well add to this book!

 

https://www.bristolworld.com/sport/football/bristol-city/alex-scott-bristol-city-west-ham-4236735?fbclid=IwAR23klZHd28n32sEMT0_sGhjo1kGlJ-n5raVTK56L0er11Z0VfTHuJgDBMY

MacAnthony is a wily expert in the selling market and he is very correct in his assessment of Scott and his transfer to a Premier League club. As long as we treat him fairly on the salary and team selection part of his time here, that is all we can do. 

[Kid in the Riot]

Remember there is still an entire month until the transfer window closes people... 

[Mr Popodopolous]

A scenario is that I'm seeing on a few other places is that clubs may try and lever the price down as the window gets closer. Time will tell but I don't think any buying clubs yet see him as being worth £25m.

[W-S-M Seagull]

20 minutes ago, George Rs said:

Apart from wanting game time does anyone have anything concrete on Alex/his camps position.

Might have learnt from the hundreds of players who grasp at the chance for premier league football at the first opportunity just to not be ready. 
 

Think another year in the championship would allow him to consolidate the parts of his game we already knows he’s brilliant at whilst working on his attacking output now that we have a much improved defence behind him.

All speculation obviously but I can’t see him going before the Preston game. And the longer teams wait after that the less likely we are to sell as finding a replacement will be that much more difficult. 

It seems to me that with the Knight signing we have so far played Scott in a more advanced role and its enabled Scott to be more of a threat in front of goal. I also think it's something he's been working hard on. 

If he starts the season well and gets a few goals then that may see a bit more interest. 

[Davefevs]

9 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

It seems to me that with the Knight signing we have so far played Scott in a more advanced role and its enabled Scott to be more of a threat in front of goal. I also think it's something he's been working hard on. 

If he starts the season well and gets a few goals then that may see a bit more interest. 

Yep, he could’ve easily scores 5-6 goals this pre-season so far.

[W-S-M Seagull]

Just now, Davefevs said:

Yep, he could’ve easily scores 5-6 goals this pre-season so far.

I've always felt as if the criticism for a lack of goals and assists was a bit unjust. 

Could he and should he have scored a few more? Yea but that wasn't really his role in the team. 

He was the guy that assisted the assistor. What he did at Preston away in the build up to our goal was special. He created that goal yet the stats don't show that.

But it does seem as tho Alex has taken on board the criticism about lack of goals and it seems to be determined to prove people wrong.

[Bedred31]

Key quote from the Wolves link is ‘£25m is a huge sum in the clubs current predicament’: which begs the questions, why should a buying club’s ‘predicament’ have any bearing at all on the price of a player a club really doesn’t want to sell, and why should a player be enthusiastic about joining a club with a ‘predicament’. But then Brum was the ‘workshop of the world’, so ‘appen the know something about business strategy that appears lost on me.

[Ecko]

Napoli have received a bid around €150m for Osimhen. They could go back for Killman. Long way to go yet.

[The Coach]

Have a feeling this will go to deadline day.

[Curr Avon]

27 minutes ago, The Coach said:

Have a feeling this will go to deadline day.

In January! 

[marmite]

I think he will stay ,sign a new contract,  improve, add goals, and the next window we will be looking for 30 mil plus. Here's hoping.

[Mr Popodopolous]

I can't see him signing a new contract but anything is possible in football. He has a great attitude but SL first mentioned one in January, dunno if it had been on the table for longer.

[SecretSam]

2 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Remember there is still an entire month until the transfer window closes people... 

Plenty of time to hit 200 pages

[downendcity]

2 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

A scenario is that I'm seeing on a few other places is that clubs may try and lever the price down as the window gets closer. Time will tell but I don't think any buying clubs yet see him as being worth £25m.

They might not see him as worth £25m, but if they really want him it's what we think he's worth that really counts.

[Mr Popodopolous]

33 minutes ago, downendcity said:

They might not see him as worth £25m, but if they really want him it's what we think he's worth that really counts.

Agreed. If it means he stays here until next year with a potential review in January then no bad thing.

[MelksRed]

8 hours ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Quite a few on here would have happily sold their brand new still in the box Corgi James Bond Aston Martin for a winning conker and 2 everlasting gob stoppers. 

Edited 8 hours ago by RoystonFoote'snephew

Love this. :laugh:

[!james]

 

 

 

[Jose]

1 minute ago, !james said:

 

 

 

I mean that doesn’t sound like we are looking to sell or even anything is imminent. 
 

I do think the figure will be hit.

[Northern Red]

8 minutes ago, !james said:

 

 

 

Shots fired at Alex Crook.

[W-S-M Seagull]

7 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

Shots fired at Alex Crook.

I used to really like him until this summer where he's basically being a media agent for Bournemouth. 

Edited July 31, 2023 by W-S-M Seagull

[George Rs]

Didn’t catch the sound of the city interview. Anyone got a link I can listen to it in full? 

[cheddarwedlocker]

13 minutes ago, George Rs said:

Didn’t catch the sound of the city interview. Anyone got a link I can listen to it in full? 

BBC Sounds

[Sturny]

25m bid prepared? Sounds like 20m with 5m of add ons 

Edited July 31, 2023 by Sturny

[Mr Popodopolous]

£20m plus £5m of add-ons isn't £25m as a flat fee.

[REDOXO]

27 minutes ago, Sturny said:

25m bid prepared? Sounds like 20m with 5m of add ons 

What is wrong with these people. Put up or shut up!

[Kid in the Riot]

35 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

£20m plus £5m of add-ons isn't £25m as a flat fee.

As I have mentioned before, the club never stated it was £25m up front. They said Scott was for sale for £25m - minimum. 

As long as the add-ons are reasonable then City will accept.

I think quite a few are going to be dissappointed as we are not going to receive £25m up front for Alex Scott.

Something close to £20m plus add ons to £25m will almost certainly do it.

[W-S-M Seagull]

13 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

As I have mentioned before, the club never stated it was £25m up front. They said Scott was for sale for £25m - minimum. 

As long as the add-ons are reasonable then City will accept.

I think quite a few are going to be dissappointed as we are not going to receive £25m up front for Alex Scott.

Something close to £20m plus add ons to £25m will almost certainly do it.

I don't think anyone has suggested we'd get 25 million up front. 

What people are saying is we want a guaranteed 25 million as a minimum. It doesn't matter if that's spread out over x amount of years. Cash flow isn't a real issue of ours. 

We want at least 25 million guaranteed plus add ons. 

[Jose]

Playing devils advocate here but with Nigel saying we are pretty much at the limit for wages would we struggle to offer Alex a lucrative offer to sign for another year? 
Doesn’t sound like he wants too but just a thought?!

[Mr Popodopolous]

Close to the limit, I kinda take that to mean to some extent future planning and future proofing as the mooted new FFP will be linked to wages and amortisation v turnover.

I also think the EFL need to go back and look afresh at a few clubs and their FFP position to 2021 and 2022. We did things by the book, Stoke however.. only to an extent.

Edited July 31, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[Loco Rojo]

10 minutes ago, Jose said:

Playing devils advocate here but with Nigel saying we are pretty much at the limit for wages would we struggle to offer Alex a lucrative offer to sign for another year? 
Doesn’t sound like he wants too but just a thought?!

I suspect our wage structure includes his potential new contract taken in to consideration. I don't think we'd offer him a contract we couldn't afford to.

[James54De]

13 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I don't think anyone has suggested we'd get 25 million up front. 

What people are saying is we want a guaranteed 25 million as a minimum. It doesn't matter if that's spread out over x amount of years. Cash flow isn't a real issue of ours. 

We want at least 25 million guaranteed plus add ons. 

Think there may be a mix up with the terms “up front” and “guaranteed”. In my book they are absolutely synonymous. A guaranteed fee, no matter how many years it is spread over (as is industry standard) is considered the up front fee. KITR is saying that 20 million guaranteed plus 5 million add ons will likely do it.

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

14 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I don't think anyone has suggested we'd get 25 million up front. 

What people are saying is we want a guaranteed 25 million as a minimum. It doesn't matter if that's spread out over x amount of years. Cash flow isn't a real issue of ours. 

We want at least 25 million guaranteed plus add ons. 

Correct. £25M is not the sell price so it's not £20M or even £22M plus additions to bring it up to £25M it's £25M PLUS add ons. 

[W-S-M Seagull]

3 minutes ago, James54De said:

Think there may be a mix up with the terms “up front” and “guaranteed”. In my book they are absolutely synonymous. A guaranteed fee, no matter how many years it is spread over (as is industry standard) is considered the up front fee. KITR is saying that 20 million guaranteed plus 5 million add ons will likely do it.

It won't do it because we want 25 million guaranteed. That's been made very very clear by us and Pearson once again reiterated that this evening. 

[mozo]

3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

It won't do it because we want 25 million guaranteed. That's been made very very clear by us and Pearson once again reiterated that this evening. 

Did Nige say guaranteed?

[James54De]

2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

It won't do it because we want 25 million guaranteed. That's been made very very clear by us and Pearson once again reiterated that this evening. 

I think the only thing that was reiterated this evening was that we want a “£25 million deal”. What this is made up of you, nor I, do not know. 

[Mr Popodopolous]

Instalments vs up front vs guaranteed.

Clearly in one instalment that wouldn't happen ever.

Cash Flow is instalments, FFP is the flat fee. Profit on disposal.

E.g. £25m fee it doesn't matter on the instalments the £25m profit would appear.

£25m v Book Value of around £0, Profit on Disposal then around £25m.

Whereas £20m up front and rising to £25m with add-ons would mean £20m at the time of disposal then the add-ons would appear as they fall due.

Instalments are just about the Cash Losses really but SL can top this up as and when...

...Although the new FFP rules seem to have instalments rather than typical Profit on Disposal but the current rules remain in place it seems.

Edited July 31, 2023 by Mr Popodopolous

[mozo]

Just now, James54De said:

I think the only thing that was reiterated this evening was that we want a “£25 million deal”. What this is made up of you, nor I, do not know. 

Yeah I think KITR is pointing out that the £25m is open to interpretation and that up front or guaranteed have not been in the messaging from Nige. Happy to be corrected.

[James54De]

Just now, mozo said:

Yeah I think KITR is pointing out that the £25m is open to interpretation and that up front or guaranteed have not been in the messaging from Nige. Happy to be corrected.

Yep, and I have agreed with him. @W-S-M Seagull and @RoystonFoote'snephew have an idea that it must be guaranteed. 

[milo1111]

13 minutes ago, mozo said:

Yeah I think KITR is pointing out that the £25m is open to interpretation and that up front or guaranteed have not been in the messaging from Nige. Happy to be corrected.

That’s how I’ve been viewing it as well. Only thing we do know is that no one has made a satisfactory bid yet.
No one knows  for sure whether city see the 25m as the guaranteed cash price or whether it’s slightly less with add ons bringing it up 

[Kid in the Riot]

11 minutes ago, James54De said:

Think there may be a mix up with the terms “up front” and “guaranteed”. In my book they are absolutely synonymous. A guaranteed fee, no matter how many years it is spread over (as is industry standard) is considered the up front fee. KITR is saying that 20 million guaranteed plus 5 million add ons will likely do it.

Exactly this. "Guaranteed" is probably a better term to use than "up front".

10 minutes ago, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Correct. £25M is not the sell price so it's not £20M or even £22M plus additions to bring it up to £25M it's £25M PLUS add ons. 

My opinion, based on what I have heard, is that is not the case. 

The bids so far are rumoured to be as follows:

Wolves £10m + £8m add ons

Bournemouth £15m + ?add ons

Wolves £17m + £5m add ons

My view is Wolves are not a million miles away with that last bid providing the add ons are realistic. 

[RoystonFoote'snephew]

Nigel Pearson said that we wanted more than £25M for Scott. It's reasonable to interpret therefore that it's a minimum £25M plus add ons.