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57 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Only one man can answer this..

@Robbored

The only time that I read the OS is during the two windows. There’s always plenty of wild speculation and rumour on here that means bugger all…………:dunno:

A player joining or leaving City is only 100% fact when it’s announced on the OS.

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9 hours ago, Robbored said:

The only time that I read the OS is during the two windows. There’s always plenty of wild speculation and rumour on here that means bugger all…………:dunno:

A player joining or leaving City is only 100% fact when it’s announced on the OS.

That is totally and utterly rubbish.

A player joining or leaving is 100% fact when the paperwork is concluded. The fact that there may be a delay in publishing it on the OS does not make it fact- it makes it public.

 

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8 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said:

A player joining or leaving is 100% fact when the paperwork is concluded. The fact that there may be a delay in publishing it on the OS does not make it fact- it makes it public.

We fans are not privy to the paperwork and only get to know about any player movement when it’s announced on the OS. Whether that announcement is 24 hrs after the paperwork is concluded means nothing.

For us supporters it’s only fact when the deal is confirmed on the OS.

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

We fans are not privy to the paperwork and only get to know about any player movement when it’s announced on the OS. Whether that announcement is 24 hrs after the paperwork is concluded means nothing.

For us supporters it’s only fact when the deal is confirmed on the OS.

However did we manage before the internet? I guess we used to believe the Evening Post in those days?

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2 hours ago, Robbored said:

We fans are not privy to the paperwork and only get to know about any player movement when it’s announced on the OS. Whether that announcement is 24 hrs after the paperwork is concluded means nothing.

For us supporters it’s only fact when the deal is confirmed on the OS.

For most supporters, yep, for others not so.

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3 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

Some people are able to critically analyse information from a range of sources and make their own informed judgment call on its credibility.

Some people appear to have skipped that day at school.

Wild speculation and rumour in other words………….:cool2:

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1 minute ago, Robbored said:

Wild speculation and rumour in other words………….:cool2:

RR...you do realise that there are people who are either related, close friends or work in the professional game that are privy to information before it's announced to the general public?

 

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6 minutes ago, spudski said:

RR...you do realise that there are people who are either related, close friends or work in the professional game that are privy to information before it's announced to the general public?

 

I was going to say something similar - often hear about things before they are on the OS

The OS at the end of the day only releases info on signings after all the media stuff is done which is often not even on the same day as the actual signing is done

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1 hour ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

I remember my Dad buying the Greenun in the city centre after games. It did impress me that they would have a photo from early in the game I had just watched in the flesh. A messy read though, like the ink was still wet.

A friend of mine had a similar problem with some of his magazines only they kept sticking together..... 

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18 minutes ago, spudski said:

RR...you do realise that there are people who are either related, close friends or work in the professional game that are privy to information before it's announced to the general public?

 

Ffs…………….et tu Spudski? 

Regardless family or ‘friend of a friend”  connections until the incoming/outgoing are confirmed on the OS it still remains speculation and rumour - there may well be something in whatever rumour but until it’s officially announced it means nothing.

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7 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Ffs…………….et tu Spudski? 

Regardless family or ‘friend of a friend”  connections until the incoming/outgoing are confirmed on the OS it still remains speculation and rumour - there may well be something in whatever rumour but until it’s officially announced it means nothing.

Why does it have to be so binary? Do you understand what it means to critically analyse information?

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10 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Ffs…………….et tu Spudski? 

Regardless family or ‘friend of a friend”  connections until the incoming/outgoing are confirmed on the OS it still remains speculation and rumour - there may well be something in whatever rumour but until it’s officially announced it means nothing.

Why the FFS RR? Are you on a wind up? 

So a player signs...and his father and family know he's signed. And you think it's still speculation or rumour until it's in the OS!!! That's complete madness. 

I was once in a relationship with a lass who's family member was a football agent. I got told of goings on, way before anything was announced. Some never announced. Players and managers would often rock up to their house, and I got to meet them. 

By your reckoning I should never believe anything, even if I witnessed it first hand, until it published publicly. ?

There are many people that are in similar situations. 

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4 minutes ago, OneTeamInBristol said:

RR is 'technically' correct.

In the same way that if you saw a car speeding towards you when you're crossing the road until you go through the windscreen you've not 'officially' been run over even though it was fairly obvious 50 yards before.

That's not true though is it. 

If a player signs...that's official. The paperwork is done. 

He's officially signed. 

When a club choose to make an announcement to the public...that information doesn't make it ' official'. 

Many people will know a player has officially signed before it's made public. 

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1 minute ago, spudski said:

That's not true though is it. 

If a player signs...that's official. The paperwork is done. 

He's officially signed. 

When a club choose to make an announcement to the public...that information doesn't make it ' official'. 

Many people will know a player has officially signed before it's made public. 

As is the way these days of making the announcement at time when it will get more online traction, it’s often the case a player will have signed his contact and trained with his new team mates before the signing gets announced. 

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3 minutes ago, spudski said:

That's not true though is it. 

If a player signs...that's official. The paperwork is done. 

He's officially signed. 

When a club choose to make an announcement to the public...that information doesn't make it ' official'. 

Many people will know a player has officially signed before it's made public. 

As I'm sure Cardiff and the Sala situation would attest, an announcement on the official site doesn't mean squat, if Cardiff's lawyers are to be believed.

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11 minutes ago, spudski said:

That's not true though is it. 

If a player signs...that's official. The paperwork is done. 

He's officially signed. 

When a club choose to make an announcement to the public...that information doesn't make it ' official'. 

Many people will know a player has officially signed before it's made public. 

Of course many people will know before any transfer is confirmed - those that are involved in the deal. Agents, managers, CEO’s to name just three.

I knew that Wilkshire was joining before the deal was announced. The late Colin Sexstone told me. I didn’t post that information on here because I saw it as confidential. I also knew that Marcus Stewart was signing before it became official for the same reason.

What I find amusing is the so say unreliable ‘sources’ on social media and yet we see so many crop on here.

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21 minutes ago, Harvey86 said:

As I'm sure Cardiff and the Sala situation would attest, an announcement on the official site doesn't mean squat, if Cardiff's lawyers are to be believed.

Or, slightly longer ago and less tragically, the Bristol City example of Emad Meteb

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2 hours ago, Robbored said:

Explain………

Your no1 favourite poster has done you the honour!

2 hours ago, spudski said:

RR...you do realise that there are people who are either related, close friends or work in the professional game that are privy to information before it's announced to the general public?

 

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1 hour ago, Robbored said:

Ffs…………….et tu Spudski? 

Regardless family or ‘friend of a friend”  connections until the incoming/outgoing are confirmed on the OS it still remains speculation and rumour - there may well be something in whatever rumour but until it’s officially announced it means nothing.

Wrong.

So, in effect you are of the belief that there is no time period between deals being signed and announcement going on the OS.

How naive.

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10 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Your no1 favourite poster has done you the honour!

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Wrong.

So, in effect you are of the belief that there is no time period between deals being signed and announcement going on the OS.

How naive.

I’m not saying that at all - as Spudski said many people will know about impending transfers but we as fans aren’t privy to various elements of deals - they are strictly confidential.

The only way that we fans know for certain that Joe Bloggs has signed for us is when it’s confirmed on the OS. I’m struggling to understand why anyone would question that fact……..……..:dunno:

 

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12 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I’m not saying that at all - as Spudski said many people will know about impending transfers but we as fans aren’t privy to various elements of deals - they are strictly confidential.

The only way that we fans know for certain that Joe Bloggs has signed for us is when it’s confirmed on the OS. I’m struggling to understand why anyone would question that fact……..……..:dunno:

 

That’s not a fact though. 

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2 hours ago, spudski said:

That's not true though is it. 

If a player signs...that's official. The paperwork is done. 

He's officially signed. 

When a club choose to make an announcement to the public...that information doesn't make it ' official'. 

Many people will know a player has officially signed before it's made public. 

Exactly. And if RR wants to on the privvy with his paperwork, then so be it.

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2 hours ago, Robbored said:

I’m not saying that at all - as Spudski said many people will know about impending transfers but we as fans aren’t privy to various elements of deals - they are strictly confidential.

The only way that we fans know for certain that Joe Bloggs has signed for us is when it’s confirmed on the OS. I’m struggling to understand why anyone would question that fact……..……..:dunno:

 

Because some fans do know before the announcement is made on the OS.  Some will even know the contractual details, despite their confidentiality.  I’m not one of those fans btw.  Players, agents, club officials aren’t always as tight lipped as you might think they are.

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56 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Because some fans do know before the announcement is made on the OS.  Some will even know the contractual details, despite their confidentiality.  I’m not one of those fans btw.  Players, agents, club officials aren’t always as tight lipped as you might think they are.

Spot on.

I’m not debating with that idiot (I have him on ignore anyway) but on deadline day for instance a fair few (not me) knew that Mehmeti had signed a long time before it was announced & the Cornick deal wasn’t immediately publicised when he had, specifically because Luton wanted to secure his replacement (Taylor from Peterborough) without them hiking the price up.

No point in us debating this though, he’ll just go into “fingers in his ears” mode & repeat the same point ad nauseam.

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4 hours ago, Robbored said:

Of course many people will know before any transfer is confirmed - those that are involved in the deal. Agents, managers, CEO’s to name just three.

I knew that Wilkshire was joining before the deal was announced. The late Colin Sexstone told me. I didn’t post that information on here because I saw it as confidential. I also knew that Marcus Stewart was signing before it became official for the same reason.

What I find amusing is the so say unreliable ‘sources’ on social media and yet we see so many crop on here.

There used to be a father of a LB that played for us, that drank in the Avon Packet. He would literally tell anyone who would listen what was going on behind closed doors at the club. Most of it was negative because his son wasn't getting picked...too old and past it... however pretty much everything he said was true and was confirmed. This scenario must happen a lot. That's just one instance that comes to mind. As said before...their are family members, agents, friends, etc etc...that are ' fans' and willing to divulge. 

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On 05/04/2023 at 13:51, Robbored said:

The only time that I read the OS is during the two windows. There’s always plenty of wild speculation and rumour on here that means bugger all…………:dunno:

A player joining or leaving City is only 100% fact when it’s announced on the OS.

It’s all a bit of a joke now - but this started out simply because you hate the idea of people knowing things about the club that you don’t. 

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54 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

What RR means is HE only trusts the OS and won’t listen to rumours, but instead of just saying that he is deliberately antagonistic and likes to repeat this tripe at every opportunity 

Which begs the question...why would you trust the OS as being 100% truthful?

I'm not saying it isn't. But every business prints what it wants... some more truthful than others. 

We've had players and fathers of players on this forum...amongst others...if one came on and said the OS is wrong in what it's published...who do you believe?

Horses mouth or OS. 

When Aston was here I questioned everything that was on the OS. Tbh...I question everything as everything has an agenda. 

When an owner or manager speaks of pushing and expecting promotion on the OS...clearly as fans we know the situation...but they aren't going to say we are happy to survive this league...as that won't sell tickets or sponsorship. 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Robbored said:

I’m not saying that at all - as Spudski said many people will know about impending transfers but we as fans aren’t privy to various elements of deals - they are strictly confidential.

The only way that we fans know for certain that Joe Bloggs has signed for us is when it’s confirmed on the OS. I’m struggling to understand why anyone would question that fact……..……..:dunno:

 

Joe Bloggs is signing for us ?

 

 

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4 hours ago, Robbored said:

 

4 hours ago, Robbored said:

I’m not saying that at all - as Spudski said many people will know about impending transfers but we as fans aren’t privy to various elements of deals - they are strictly confidential.

The only way that we fans know for certain that Joe Bloggs has signed for us is when it’s confirmed on the OS. I’m struggling to understand why anyone would question that fact……..……..:dunno:

 

This Bloggs fellow, can't play centre half can he?

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Because some fans do know before the announcement is made on the OS.  Some will even know the contractual details, despite their confidentiality.  I’m not one of those fans btw.  Players, agents, club officials aren’t always as tight lipped as you might think they are.

:disapointed2se:………that may well be so but it’s not official. I repeat - the only 100% reliable transfer source is the OS. Everything else is simply speculation and rumour.

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16 minutes ago, Robbored said:

:disapointed2se:………that may well be so but it’s not official. I repeat - the only 100% reliable transfer source is the OS. Everything else is simply speculation and rumour.

RR...you've avoided my explanation. Why are you being so stupid? You really aren't helping yourself now. 

It's ' official' when papers are signed. Not when the OS decides to publish the facts. 

Which bit of that don't you understand? 

There are numerous people that are involved in the official signing. 

I actually feel for you. 

You come from a generation that believes everything published by certain media and business outlets that have you all hook, line and sinker. 

It's hard to admit when you're wrong...but you are. 

It's not something to be ashamed of. The world is moving so fast and what was seen as reality in the past, often isn't now. 

I digress...but the sentiment stands. 

You are more likely to hear the truth from someone close to the source without an agenda...rather than an ' official outlet'. 

As for your disdain of twitter...it's seen as the quickest info that all journalists use that you read. 

Yes there is disinformation. 

Yet, check out who own ' fact checkers' on social media. 

Everything has an agenda behind it. 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Robbored said:

90% of which is complete made up bollocks.

You can just follow the official Bristol City Twitter account if you like.

They have their moments but I don’t think they make things up and far more productive and prompt than the OS

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12 minutes ago, Silvio Dante said:

…you do know we announce signings on Twitter (often with a tease) before they’re put on the OS. Therefore, Twitter is a more reliable and quicker medium than the OS…

I have a twitter account but have never ever used it. The amount of complete ill informed shite on there is truly staggering. It’s impossible to put any credibility on anything.

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11 minutes ago, Nomad said:

I know that @Robbored has become a parody of himself but I always thought he just enjoyed being a pedant. It appears however that he may actually be thick as gas shit.

Attention seeker seeks attention.....and everybody on OTIB rushes to give it to him.

 

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8 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I have a twitter account but have never ever used it. The amount of complete ill informed shite on there is truly staggering. It’s impossible to put any credibility on anything.

Never ever used it and yet believe it to be ill informed shite? This opinion appears to be ill informed.

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14 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I have a twitter account but have never ever used it. The amount of complete ill informed shite on there is truly staggering. It’s impossible to put any credibility on anything.

Just because you lack the capacity to critically analyse information, it doesn't mean everybody else lacks such a skill.

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55 minutes ago, Robbored said:

Obviously I’ve read Twitter - and that’s exactly why I don’t use it. 

 

53 minutes ago, CiderJar said:

Obviously reading it is very much part of using it.

Ah, but he reads it using only his blind eye 

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On 06/04/2023 at 07:40, Robbored said:

We fans are not privy to the paperwork and only get to know about any player movement when it’s announced on the OS. Whether that announcement is 24 hrs after the paperwork is concluded means nothing.

For us supporters it’s only fact when the deal is confirmed on the OS.

Emad Moteab

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2 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

Emad Moteab

I was in Crete when that fiasco happened. Apparently Moteab played for Egypt and GJ got the hump for whatever reason and bombed him out…………:dunno:

Good example of GJ not being able to handle internationals (British players excepted)

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10 minutes ago, Robbored said:

I was in Crete when that fiasco happened. Apparently Moteab played for Egypt and GJ got the hump for whatever reason and bombed him out…………:dunno:

Good example of GJ not being able to handle internationals (British players excepted)

“Apparently”, where did you read that?

He actually played for his club side, which was in contravention of the terms of the transfer.

Unusual for you to get the facts completely wrong.

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