More aggro between players and officials...Liverpool v Arsenal

[cityexile]

Not sure I have ever seen this before however. There will be better links all over the place soon.

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/watch-linesman-elbows-liverpool-defender-andy-robertson-melee-anfield/blt26b480c4f041666d

[Robbored]

Brilliant game of football - PL at its best. 

Some superb play from both teams, some really brutal tackles, players squaring up. Some schoolboy defending.  Penalty miss from Salah….I’ve lost count of yellow cards. I love games like this.

Arsenal 1-2 up currently.

Edited April 9, 2023 by Robbored

[Globe Trotter]

Cracking game this. He did appear to elbow Robertson and I’m sure will face consequences afterwards but why is Robertson approaching him and laying hands on him in the first place 

[Slippin cider]

Shame Paul Tierney is a bellend …

[Kodjias Wrist]

Thought the ref himself has been really good considering the stick he is getting. Not letting the pressure get to him.

[cidercity1987]

Lino didn't touch the Scottish ****

[Midred]

Now if only the linesman had done that to Fernandes!

[spudski]

Nothing on the referee kneeing a player in the bollox last week. 

Something needs to change. Players surrounding and hounding refs is just so low imo. 

https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12849528/mexican-ref-appears-to-knee-player-in-the-groin

[Open End Numb Legs]

The game shouldn't be surprised if the officials have to stand up for themselves, the FA aren't doing much to help them.

One way traffic, players screaming at officials for years now.

[spudski]

If you watch the replays, Robertson grabs the linos arm...lino reacts by moving his arm away and in doing so connects with Robertson. 

Nothing in it. Don't put your hands on ref or lino...simple. 

[Loco Rojo]

[Tongue in check] but officials up and down the league take shit every week from players and fans and it's almost accepted. Sooner or later something like this is bound to happen. If officials got more respect (like in rugby) then something like this is unlikely to happen (who knows what Robertson was saying to him to prompt that reaction).

Credit for Robertson though for not falling to the ground and rolling around like he'd been snippered.

[TonyTonyTony]

What an incredible finish to a game

[Clevedon Red]

Konate trying to do a schoolboy header/chest over the line  Two amazing saves by Ramsdale at the end.

Edited April 9, 2023 by Clevedon Red

[MarcusX]

3 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said:

What an incredible finish to a game

2 half decent penalty shouts there I thought to, especially the first one

[Robbored]

One of the most thrilling PL that I’ve ever seen. Two fantastic teams going hammer and tongs at each other.

it had everything. Flowing football, penalty miss, terrific saves fro Ramsdale, crunching tackles. A draw was a fair result.

What a brilliant game!

[BCFCGav]

Game of the season… for now. Man City Vs Arsenal is poised very nicely.

[1960maaan]

Ramsdale is some keeper.

 

[REDOXO]

29 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

The game shouldn't be surprised if the officials have to stand up for themselves, the FA aren't doing much to help them.

One way traffic, players screaming at officials for years now.

Exactly. I’m watching Robbie Earl giving it the whole “it’s disgusting” rubbish 

Robertson approached the linesman yelling and the linesman raises his arm to push him away. 
 

3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

Ramsdale is some keeper.

 

And somehow he’s not England number one!

[MarcusX]

1 minute ago, REDOXO said:

Exactly. I’m watching Robbie Earl giving it the whole “it’s disgusting” rubbish 

Robertson approached the linesman yelling and the linesman raises his arm to push him away. 
 

And somehow he’s not England number one!

Because Pickford is equally as good (especially for England), we’re quite blessed in that department.

[1960maaan]

3 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

Exactly. I’m watching Robbie Earl giving it the whole “it’s disgusting” rubbish 

Robertson approached the linesman yelling and the linesman raises his arm to push him away. 
 

And somehow he’s not England number one!

 

1 minute ago, MarcusX said:

Because Pickford is equally as good (especially for England), we’re quite blessed in that department.

IMHO I'd say Ramsdale is the slightly better keeper, Pickford maybe slightly better with the ball at his feet, but there's not much in it. The deciding factor is Pickford has the shirt and is Southgate's current fav. 

[Sixtyseconds]

Only Jesus could go down with a broken back and then a brain haemorrhage and run it off.

[REDOXO]

6 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Because Pickford is equally as good (especially for England), we’re quite blessed in that department.

 

3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

 

IMHO I'd say Ramsdale is the slightly better keeper, Pickford maybe slightly better with the ball at his feet, but there's not much in it. The deciding factor is Pickford has the shirt and is Southgate's current fav. 

I really don’t think Pickford is anywhere near Ramsdale, but the England manager prefers him that’s a fact. However what does that say about how crap Everton are! 

[1960maaan]

1 minute ago, REDOXO said:

However what does that say about how crap Everton are! 

Crap enough against Man Yoo to make Pickford look very good.

[REDOXO]

Just now, 1960maaan said:

Crap enough against Man Yoo to make Pickford look very good.

Yep. Needs the practice 

[milo1111]

5 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said:

I wonder what the response would have been if you’d replaced the word “Scottish” with “Asian” or “African”? 

True. But racism against the English from the celts is even more prevalent

[Street red]

1 hour ago, spudski said:

If you watch the replays, Robertson grabs the linos arm...lino reacts by moving his arm away and in doing so connects with Robertson. 

Nothing in it. Don't put your hands on ref or lino...simple. 

As Roy Keane said Robertson's a baby nothing in it.

Edited April 9, 2023 by Street red

[redkev]

36 minutes ago, REDOXO said:

 

I really don’t think Pickford is anywhere near Ramsdale, but the England manager prefers him that’s a fact. However what does that say about how crap Everton are! 

Pickford has done nothing to deserved to be dropped until then Ramsdale just has to wait his time 

[PhilC]

1 hour ago, Robbored said:

One of the most thrilling PL that I’ve ever seen. Two fantastic teams going hammer and tongs at each other.

it had everything. Flowing football, penalty miss, terrific saves fro Ramsdale, crunching tackles. A draw was a fair result.

What a brilliant game!

Couldn't agree more. A thoroughly entertaining game right to the end. 

 

1 hour ago, spudski said:

If you watch the replays, Robertson grabs the linos arm...lino reacts by moving his arm away and in doing so connects with Robertson. 

Nothing in it. Don't put your hands on ref or lino...simple. 

For what it's worth that's exactly how I saw it. Robertson shouldn't have his hand there in the first place, although it still doesn't look great from Constantine Hatzidakis.

[Fordy62]

Touch the lino and get (mildly) chinned. Absolutely nothing to see here. Unless you’re a Liverpool fan. 

[petehinton]

Robertson is a little whiny rat who is constantly screaming at officials or opponents. Not condoning it if true, but it’s about time someone bit back at him. Bellend. 

[TonyTonyTony]

28 minutes ago, petehinton said:

Robertson is a little whiny rat who is constantly screaming at officials or opponents. Not condoning it if true, but it’s about time someone bit back at him. Bellend. 

He is constantly whining about something. That linesman wasn’t taking any shit - I agree with you. 

Edited April 9, 2023 by TonyTonyTony

[The Humble Realist]

Dont you think the behaviour of players has crossed a line now. 

There has always been gamesmanship but all the injuries that aren't injuries, little kicks of the ball away and by far the worse just plain dissent has gone into overdrive in the last couple of years. 

We all know the refs make big mistakes but its appalling how some players treat the officials (whoever you support)

[Open End Numb Legs]

Officials are human and will make mistakes but there will be no game without them.

If they were treated better it could attract better candidates and the sport as a whole would then benefit.

[Open End Numb Legs]

1 hour ago, PhilC said:

........ although it still doesn't look great from Constantine Hatzidakis.

Yep, he should have just laid him out proper! 

[Super]

1 hour ago, petehinton said:

Robertson is a little whiny rat who is constantly screaming at officials or opponents. Not condoning it if true, but it’s about time someone bit back at him. Bellend. 

You just can't do it though He is unlikely to be doing any more top games in this country. Sadly we are talking about this and not a fantastic game. That second half is why the PL is the best league in the world.

[The Swan and Cemetery]

32 minutes ago, Super said:

You just can't do it though He is unlikely to be doing any more top games in this country. Sadly we are talking about this and not a fantastic game. That second half is why the PL is the best league in the world.

Looked to me like someone shaking off someone who’d laid hands on them, not sure there was much in it beyond Robertson whinging and drawing attention to it. A few more yellows/reds for dissent and getting in officials faces and hopefully this (Robertson et al) behaviour would stop. 

[Redtucks]

3 hours ago, Sixtyseconds said:

Only Jesus could go down with a broken back and then a brain haemorrhage and run it off.

It's Easter FFS!!!

I thought he was crucified on Friday and came back to life on Sunday!

 

 

 

[cityexile]

12 minutes ago, Redtucks said:

It's Easter FFS!!!

I thought he was crucified on Friday and came back to life on Sunday!

 

 

 

In fairness today, Jesus did rise from a cross.

[W-S-M Seagull]

3 hours ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Looked to me like someone shaking off someone who’d laid hands on them, not sure there was much in it beyond Robertson whinging and drawing attention to it. A few more yellows/reds for dissent and getting in officials faces and hopefully this (Robertson et al) behaviour would stop. 

Exactly what it was. His reaction was a natural reaction to someone laying their hands on someone. 

Robertson had no rights to lay his hands on the lino and it just proves the Mitro ban needs to be longer to send out a strong message.

[Med/MadHatter]

9 hours ago, Sixtyseconds said:

Only Jesus could go down with a broken back and then a brain haemorrhage and run it off.

Well it is Easter......

[Super]

10 hours ago, The Swan and Cemetery said:

Looked to me like someone shaking off someone who’d laid hands on them, not sure there was much in it beyond Robertson whinging and drawing attention to it. A few more yellows/reds for dissent and getting in officials faces and hopefully this (Robertson et al) behaviour would stop. 

Did he actually lay hands on him? If he did then could be in trouble although Fernandes got away with it.

Edited April 10, 2023 by Super

[Maltshoveller]

If they had a rule that says touch the ref or linesman

it is an automatic 10 match ban minimum

Then it would stop players touching them in a shot

[Super]

19 minutes ago, Maltshoveller said:

If they had a rule that says touch the ref or linesman

it is an automatic 10 match ban minimum

Then it would stop players touching them in a shot

So the same the other way round?

Edited April 10, 2023 by Super

[Barrs Court Red]

T-shirts for victim Robertson next week no doubt. 
 

Pathetic. Keane had it spot on after the game. 

[Fordy62]

The Lino’s actions come at the ideal time for his defence. They’re getting grabbed and pushed and shoved pretty frequently. I think he was quite within his rights to do what he did. 

Only a Liverpool fan would disagree. Clearly just shrugging him off. Let’s not all pretend Robertson was there For a friendly chat. 

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 

[1960maaan]

3 minutes ago, Super said:

So the same the other way round?

If players didn't aggressively get in the face of officials it wouldn't even be a conversation. I don't think the Lino did anything more than shake Robertson off, and Robertson doing the modern thing of whining .
Yes if Officials were aggressive toward players the same rules should apply, but to me it looks like ....
Players grabs Official , Official shakes player off, Player whines as he knows he could be facing ban. 

[Fordy62]

Let’s take it out of context, let’s pretend the incident doesn’t take place on the football field. It happens between two men in Bristol City centre. 

One angrily approaches the other, clearly invading his personal space - he may or may not grab his arm. But he’s mouthing off in an aggressive manner. In order to defend himself, the man raises his arm in self defence, catching the angry man on the chin. 

The law says if justifiable preemptive strikes are allowed. 

There’s no way on earth the AR is getting convicted or even charged. I’m struggling to see why there’s any debate here at all. 

Robertson got his yellow card from dissent. That’s the end of it in my book. 

[cityexile]

14 hours ago, petehinton said:

Robertson is a little whiny rat who is constantly screaming at officials or opponents. Not condoning it if true, but it’s about time someone bit back at him. Bellend. 

I mean, I agree with all that, but it feels I am watching something different to everyone else.  It does look like the lino properly elbows him, rather than just ‘shrugging him off’. Only he knows what was in his mind…but you just cannot do that, surely?

[petehinton]

7 minutes ago, cityexile said:

I mean, I agree with all that, but it feels I am watching something different to everyone else.  It does look like the lino properly elbows him, rather than just ‘shrugging him off’. Only he knows what was in his mind…but you just cannot do that, surely?

Seems like Robertson grabs his arm and lino (rightfully) goes to push him away and hits him. No arm grab, no ‘elbow’

[Fordy62]

34 minutes ago, cityexile said:

I mean, I agree with all that, but it feels I am watching something different to everyone else.  It does look like the lino properly elbows him, rather than just ‘shrugging him off’. Only he knows what was in his mind…but you just cannot do that, surely?

No one elbows in an upwards motion like that! It’s much more of a ‘get off of me’ motion. 

Edited April 10, 2023 by Fordy62

[WECANDO]

16 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

 

IMHO I'd say Ramsdale is the slightly better keeper, Pickford maybe slightly better with the ball at his feet, but there's not much in it. The deciding factor is Pickford has the shirt and is Southgate's current fav. 

My only criticism of Pickford is that he's a bit hyper in his behaviour whereas Ramsdale is calmer. The latter surely helps the defence more.

[Robbored]

16 hours ago, BCFCGav said:

Game of the season… for now. Man City Vs Arsenal is poised very nicely.

That’ll be the wizard versus his apprentice!  Two very similar footballing philosophies on show.

[WECANDO]

9 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

Exactly what it was. His reaction was a natural reaction to someone laying their hands on someone. 

Robertson had no rights to lay his hands on the lino and it just proves the Mitro ban needs to be longer to send out a strong message.

The head of referees needs to send a written advice to all managers spelling out how referees are to be treated, who if any can approach them and the penalties for behavior received from Mitrovic and Robertson. At the same time tell all referees that loutish behaviour from players must not be tolerated. This includes gathering round referees, touching/grabbing referees and verbal abuse. Tough penalties like a yellow for touching, yellows for being in a referees face and a red for more serious stuff as per Mitrovic. Whilst we are at it, more yellows for feigning injuries and play acting. If players consistently abuse these rules  their respective clubs need a warning that fines and/or points deductions will follow. Lets make football better to watch.

[Maltshoveller]

1 hour ago, Super said:

So the same the other way round?

Yeah it has to be

[Jerseybean]

Stood down while investigation is conducted: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65232115

[Super]

2 hours ago, cityexile said:

I mean, I agree with all that, but it feels I am watching something different to everyone else.  It does look like the lino properly elbows him, rather than just ‘shrugging him off’. Only he knows what was in his mind…but you just cannot do that, surely?

Spot on.

[Roe]

Makes sense for the linesman to be taken out of the spotlight for a week or so but pretty disgraceful if he ends up getting properly punished for that

[Kingswood Robin]

"the Umpire Strikes Back!"

Quite like this summary of the situation

[redkev]

2 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

Stood down while investigation is conducted: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65232115

If the linesman loses his job over this Robertson should hang his babby ass head in shame ,

players really need to start respecting officials more , this season it seems to be worse than ever . Also feigning injury etc we got all the technology there start using it , ( not that the people using it are much koi but that’s another matter ) 

[Open End Numb Legs]

I know we all hate refs and assistants when they make mistakes but I hope they don't hang this one out to dry.

If they do then it would be interesting to see how they all react. A one match strike by all of them together would send an interesting message - no ref, no game.

[MarcusX]

7 hours ago, WECANDO said:

My only criticism of Pickford is that he's a bit hyper in his behaviour whereas Ramsdale is calmer. The latter surely helps the defence more.

I don’t think you’ve seen enough of Ramsdale then to be honest, he’s very “hyper” himself.

[Maltshoveller]

4 hours ago, redkev said:

If the linesman loses his job over this Robertson should hang his babby ass head in shame ,

players really need to start respecting officials more , this season it seems to be worse than ever . Also feigning injury etc we got all the technology there start using it , ( not that the people using it are much koi but that’s another matter ) 

If the officials stamp down on all the play acting, stamp down on being crowded around etc

then the players will have to stop doing it 

It really is that simple

The only people who can make these changes are the officials because the players wont unless they have to

[W-S-M Seagull]

17 hours ago, Fordy62 said:

The Lino’s actions come at the ideal time for his defence. They’re getting grabbed and pushed and shoved pretty frequently. I think he was quite within his rights to do what he did. 

Only a Liverpool fan would disagree. Clearly just shrugging him off. Let’s not all pretend Robertson was there For a friendly chat. 

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. 

This incident and the reporting of it concerns me. 

I thought Mitro getting an 8 game ban was the start of sending out a message to every footballer at every level that touching officials is not OK. 

We've now had 3 incidents of players touching officials (Bruno, Mitro, Robertson) in a short space of time. This is concerning. 

But what is more concerning is how Robertson has come out of this looking like the victim despite him being the one to initially make contact with the lino. But that's seemingly been overlooked as everyone wants to defend the player. This is damaging for the whole respect the officials campaign imo. 

Players at a low level where officials have no protection will now start to think it is OK to touch officials. Kids watching on TV will also think the same. 

If the official is punished but Robertson isn't then the game is done imo. 

[Numero Uno]

14 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

I know we all hate refs and assistants when they make mistakes but I hope they don't hang this one out to dry.

If they do then it would be interesting to see how they all react. A one match strike by all of them together would send an interesting message - no ref, no game.

If they go too hard on the lad it’s a certainty. They’ve probably already threatened PMGOL behind the scenes.

[Open End Numb Legs]

Let's hope these are just rare incidents and it will all fade into history. For me the physical contact with an official is only part of it though as the intimidation needs sorting out too. To have a someone scream into your face must feel like it is only a moment away from violence and that has been going on far too long.

It is a very emotional time of the season and difficult to keep a cool head when things go against you on the run in to relegation or promotion.

It feels like it needs leadership by coaches and captains, set an example on the day. What is said behind closed doors with committees and meetings is not going to have the right effect in my opinion.

On their part, the officials need to referee with empathy and communicate well. Sometimes it just needs a minute to cool and calm a situation rather than just getting cards out.