Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) Is my memory playing tricks? I was a kid at the U23 England v GDR match at AG in 1972. My question is: was Chris Garland on the bench? My memory is that Chris was an unused sub, much to our disappointment at the time. Can anyone confirm? Edited April 19, 2023 by Jefferz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Am I the only one who dreads opening a thread titled like this for fear of what I might read? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I’ve got the same recollection. Although, like you, based on nothing more than my memory - which I trust less by the day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miser Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) Think it was earlier. 1960s. Sure our player (Garland) selected to boost the crowd. Edited April 19, 2023 by miser Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Just now, miser said: Think it was ealier. 1960s. Sure our player (Garland) selected to boost the crowd. The same thing happened with Matt Hewlett when another U23 game was at AG. He never got on either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 1 minute ago, miser said: Think it was earlier. 1960s. Sure our player (Garland) selected to boost the crowd. That was always the way. Matt Hewlett got called up to the under 21s when we played Italy at the gate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 18 minutes ago, Jefferz said: Is my memory playing tricks? I was a kid at the U23 England v GDR match at AG in 1972. My question is: was Chris Garland on the bench? My memory is that Chris was an unused sub, much to our disappointment at the time. Can anyone confirm? Spot on, including the date. I was in the General at the time in the days when they kept you in for a week after having your tonsils out. Asked to get out early, but the Matron was having none of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, miser said: Think it was ealier. 1960s. Sure our player (Garland) selected to boost the crowd. Hi Thank you for this. I went back to England v Wales at AG in 1969 and found a programme for sale online. Thankfully it had a pic of the line ups and you are right CG was a sub. My memory of wanting Chris to come on was stronger than the date and opponents. This was the game I attended with my Dad in the old Kids enclosure below the Grand stand. If it did boost crowd, Alf didn’t give him a run out. Old curmudgeon. Edited April 19, 2023 by Jefferz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Malago said: Spot on, including the date. I was in the General at the time in the days when they kept you in for a week after having your tonsils out. Asked to get out early, but the Matron was having none of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 28 minutes ago, Jefferz said: Is my memory playing tricks? I was a kid at the U23 England v GDR match at AG in 1972. My question is: was Chris Garland on the bench? My memory is that Chris was an unused sub, much to our disappointment at the time. Can anyone confirm? I was there and yes, CG was on the bench. Speculation his selection was a cynical move just to boost the crowd i.e never any intention if playing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 16 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Am I the only one who dreads opening a thread titled like this for fear of what I might read? Sorry about that. Take your point. Have changed title. PS didn’t I back you EW in the National once upon a time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 44 minutes ago, Jefferz said: Is my memory playing tricks? I was a kid at the U23 England v GDR match at AG in 1972. My question is: was Chris Garland on the bench? My memory is that Chris was an unused sub, much to our disappointment at the time. Can anyone confirm? Yes he was Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handsofclay Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I think I seen highlights of the match on Sportsnight With Coleman. But I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) I’ve also been able to find the U23 England v Bulgaria programme online. The odd thing is that CG got his only cap at Home Park but doesn’t appear in the squad as printed. PS the point about the ‘crowd booster’ is fairly conclusive as the squad features Norman Piper of Plymouth Argyle. Wonder if Alf gave him a run !? Edited April 19, 2023 by Jefferz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenkibby. Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 Don't know about Garland, but my first game at the Gate saw Merrick captaining England school boys against Wales. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 36 minutes ago, miser said: Think it was earlier. 1960s. Sure our player (Garland) selected to boost the crowd. 69-ish, absolutely........boring Ralph Ramrod could have put him on for 5 minutes at the end, but no. He was (rightly) booed at the end ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 There was another England game during the early 70's at Ashton Gate. Not at home so can't check but I got Kevin Keegan, Malcolm Macdonald, Alf Ramsey, Harold Sheperdson autographs amongst others in my autograph book. Anyone remember the occasion? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) That could be the GDR game in ‘72 Edited April 19, 2023 by Jefferz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 I know I went to one U23's game, early 70s and Garland was rumoured to be playing. He didn't and it was a dull 0-0, This site be of interest. http://www.englandfootballonline.com/matchrsl/MatchRslTmU23.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jefferz said: That could be the GDR game in ‘72 Why would Rod Thomas be captaining the German Democratic Republic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 9 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: There was another England game during the early 70's at Ashton Gate. Not at home so can't check but I got Kevin Keegan, Malcolm Macdonald, Alf Ramsey, Harold Sheperdson autographs amongst others in my autograph book. Anyone remember the occasion? This one . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I know I went to one U23's game, early 70s and Garland was rumoured to be playing. He didn't and it was a dull 0-0, This site be of interest. http://www.englandfootballonline.com/matchrsl/MatchRslTmU23.html Would CG have been too old to play in this one( or is one player allowed per team?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: This one . Yes I'm getting confused. Someone has muddied the waters talking about England v Wales. Yes Keegan and Macdonald were in the squad and Garland was on the bench. I can remember going to this game. Got all the England autographs Edited April 19, 2023 by Sir Geoff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 5 minutes ago, Jefferz said: Would CG have been too old to play in this one( or is one player allowed per team?) I think they used to allow a couple of over age players. Chris would have been 24 so could have been an over age player. I could be wrong about the rumour it was a long time ago, but I'm convinced that's why I nagged my Dad to take me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Why would Rod Thomas be captaining the German Democratic Republic Haha This is AG in 1969. What surprises me is how small David Nish is. Remember him as being taller/bigger met a bloke on holiday from Derby who worshipped Nish as a legend Edited April 19, 2023 by Jefferz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 19, 2023 Author Share Posted April 19, 2023 24 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: There was another England game during the early 70's at Ashton Gate. Not at home so can't check but I got Kevin Keegan, Malcolm Macdonald, Alf Ramsey, Harold Sheperdson autographs amongst others in my autograph book. Anyone remember the occasion? I think you will find Alf was born in 1920. He would have been 52 and was not an U23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 40 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: I know I went to one U23's game, early 70s and Garland was rumoured to be playing. He didn't and it was a dull 0-0, This site be of interest. http://www.englandfootballonline.com/matchrsl/MatchRslTmU23.html I was only 3 at the time, but remember all of the players bar G.Palmer, S.Mills, and P.Fletcher. Any insight on them, did they drift into lower league football? 37 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: This one . Same with this (I was 1)…who was D.Jeffries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Shadow Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 54 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Yes I'm getting confused. Someone has muddied the waters talking about England v Wales. Yes Keegan and Macdonald were in the squad and Garland was on the bench. I can remember going to this game. Got all the England autographs There was one Bristolian in the England team - Larry Lloyd, although he was a former gas player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted April 19, 2023 Share Posted April 19, 2023 IIRC, Chris only made one appearance for U23s that was at Plymouth, where Ramsey selected Norman Piper (Argyle) on the bench.........and brought him on ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSN Red Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, Davefevs said: I was only 3 at the time, but remember all of the players bar G.Palmer, S.Mills, and P.Fletcher. Any insight on them, did they drift into lower league football? Same with this (I was 1)…who was D.Jeffries? I am presuming Geoff Palmer from Wolves and Paul Fletcher from Burnley. S Mills was Steve Mills from Southampton who sadly died in a car accident in his 20s Edited April 20, 2023 by MSN Red 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Begs the question, when did we start using a different Manager for the younger age teams? It seems to make sense from a continuity point of view to have the same Manager, it's not like they have a lot of work to do. My guess would be that there became a point where the squad sizes made it impractical to have one Manager for all levels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 10 hours ago, Davefevs said: I was only 3 at the time, but remember all of the players bar G.Palmer, S.Mills, and P.Fletcher. Any insight on them, did they drift into lower league football? As @MSN Red said . Geoff Palmer mainly played for Wolves, Paul Fletcher mainly Burnley and Steve Mills was at Southampton. Really annoyed , I'm convinced I had/have the programme but just spent an hour looking and no luck. Same with this (I was 1)…who was D.Jeffries? From what I can see, Derek Jefferies started at Man City and moved to Palace. Living the wrong side of Town, I remember night matches were difficult as Ar Muh didn't like me going on my own . Dad got the short straw, and probably to shut me up took me. We were in the Dolman still fairly new at the time. The rest was a let down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 11 hours ago, Sir Geoff said: Why would Rod Thomas be captaining the German Democratic Republic Was he their number nein ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 20, 2023 Author Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Sir Geoff said: Yes he was Dear Sir Geoff, Tricks memory playing. The following is from an owner of the 1972 U23 England v GDR programme at AG. You are right. Rod Thomas was not the captain of the GDR ‘Hi - thanks for getting in touch - I wonder which side of the debate you are on??! The subs listed in the programme are Alan West & Alan Stevenson (both Burnley) and Stuart Pearson - then of Hull City My edition has the team changes noted - all of which were to the GDR's published line up. There is a small feature on page 17 of the programme entitled "Bristol City's Under 23 strikers". It highlights John Atyeo and Garland as the only two Bristol City players to represent England at U23 level. Garland';s appearance was against Bulgaria, as a last 20 minutes sub, in 1970 at Plymouth. Hope this sorts things out for you Mark - delighted to help All the best. Edited April 20, 2023 by Jefferz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, MSN Red said: I am presuming Geoff Palmer from Wolves and Paul Fletcher from Burnley. S Mills was Steve Mills from Southampton who sadly died in a car accident in his 20s Yes, recall Geoff Palmer now. Vaguely recall Fletcher, but not Mills. Ta D.Jefferies??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: D.Jefferies??? See above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 34 minutes ago, 1960maaan said: See above. Certainly never heard of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Davefevs said: Certainly never heard of him. Me either. I liked that Man City side and had a real soft spot for Palace around the time he was there. Loved Alan Wittle and Don Rogers before him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 15 hours ago, Jefferz said: Is my memory playing tricks? I was a kid at the U23 England v GDR match at AG in 1972. My question is: was Chris Garland on the bench? My memory is that Chris was an unused sub, much to our disappointment at the time. Can anyone confirm? I think you are correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Yorkshire CideRed Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 14 hours ago, 1960maaan said: This one . The same Sparwasser who famously scored for East Germany against West Germany in the 74 World Cup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, East Yorkshire CideRed said: The same Sparwasser who famously scored for East Germany against West Germany in the 74 World Cup? Good recall, this is from his goals on wiki. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 16 hours ago, Jefferz said: Is my memory playing tricks? I was a kid at the U23 England v GDR match at AG in 1972. My question is: was Chris Garland on the bench? My memory is that Chris was an unused sub, much to our disappointment at the time. Can anyone confirm? Correct, but a few months later, just before he became too old, Chris was called up for the game v Bulgaria played at Home Park. As Chris joined Chesea in 71, the gamewas probably 1970 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 1 hour ago, East Yorkshire CideRed said: The same Sparwasser who famously scored for East Germany against West Germany in the 74 World Cup? Sparwasser you say… Ah, The beautiful sparkling healthy spa water of Bath In Avon I Hate Nerys Hughes I Hate Nerys Hughes I Hate Nerys Hughes I Hate Nerys Hughes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, TomF said: 11 hours ago, TomF said: Does anyone know how he’s doing? He’s still in a care home in Newport, where he’s being looked after due to Parkinson’s, also his memory is none too good. Not well enough to travel to games for the various AG8 celebrations, where he’s been represented by his children. Edited April 20, 2023 by East End Old Boy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 5 hours ago, East End Old Boy said: He’s still in a care home in Newport, where he’s being looked after due to Parkinson’s, also his memory is none too good. Not well enough to travel to games for the various AG8 celebrations, where he’s been represented by his children. Very sad, obviously, but do you have any idea why he is in a care home in Newport, as opposed to Bristol? Surely there must be a suitable facility closer to home and his family and friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East End Old Boy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 5 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said: Very sad, obviously, but do you have any idea why he is in a care home in Newport, as opposed to Bristol? Surely there must be a suitable facility closer to home and his family and friends. Family are happy with this, close to where his wife lives. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 2 hours ago, East End Old Boy said: Family are happy with this, close to where his wife lives. Ah, that makes sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 On 20/04/2023 at 09:08, CrackingCheeseGromit said: Was he their number nein ? Nine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Found the programme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southside Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 (edited) On 20/04/2023 at 09:43, Davefevs said: Yes, recall Geoff Palmer now. Vaguely recall Fletcher, but not Mills. Ta D.Jefferies??? Curly hairMoustache Edited April 21, 2023 by southside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Fox Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I was a the met h, think the programme is living in a box in the attic. Chris Garland was on the bench but didn’t play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefferz Posted April 21, 2023 Author Share Posted April 21, 2023 5 hours ago, Grey Fox said: I was a the met h, think the programme is living in a box in the attic. Chris Garland was on the bench but didn’t play. Yes. England V Wales 1969 at Ashton Gate . Definitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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