Wrexham

[DaveInSA]

I find all the attention their getting a bit like vomit inducing. I can't remember who went up from the national league last year - there was literally zero publicity.

And now we have a Hollywood star owning a football club suddenly it's everywhere, Wrexham this, Wrexham that, Wrexham the other. It's a fairytale and aren't they great blah, blah, blah.

So is it good, bad or indifferent?

Discuss.

[lenred]

3 minutes ago, DaveInSA said:

I find all the attention their getting a bit like vomit inducing. I can't remember who went up from the national league last year - there was literally zero publicity.

And now we have a Hollywood star owning a football club suddenly it's everywhere, Wrexham this, Wrexham that, Wrexham the other. It's a fairytale and aren't they great blah, blah, blah.

So is it good, bad or indifferent?

Discuss.

Indifferent for me but I haven’t watched the series. Fair play to the long suffering fans of which there will be many, but football is no longer just a sport - it’s an ‘event’ and this is the latest in a line of examples of football being trendified for the less initiated / involved. Let them have their 15 mins - I’ll be very surprised if they get any further than League 1. 

[Mike Hunt-Hertz]

They often got sub 2000 crowds in the 80s. 35000 watching their parade, apparently.

Edited May 3, 2023 by Mike Hunt-Hertz

[Sir Geoff]

36 minutes ago, DaveInSA said:

I find all the attention their getting a bit like vomit inducing. I can't remember who went up from the national league last year - there was literally zero publicity.

And now we have a Hollywood star owning a football club suddenly it's everywhere, Wrexham this, Wrexham that, Wrexham the other. It's a fairytale and aren't they great blah, blah, blah.

So is it good, bad or indifferent?

Discuss.

Grimsby......No one makes you read it or listen to it.

Pretty good story for a run down town. Expect they will go up again next year.

Edited May 3, 2023 by Sir Geoff
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[Kodjias Wrist]

Its very annoying. Ok they had a ridicukous title challenge with Notts County but thats not what was highlighted. The documentary, the celeb owners, the 5 min segment on the BBC was all too far.

[Bris Red]

12 minutes ago, DaveInSA said:

I find all the attention their getting a bit like vomit inducing. I can't remember who went up from the national league last year - there was literally zero publicity.

And now we have a Hollywood star owning a football club suddenly it's everywhere, Wrexham this, Wrexham that, Wrexham the other. It's a fairytale and aren't they great blah, blah, blah.

So is it good, bad or indifferent?

Discuss.

They should follow Cardiff and Swansea and play in their own countries league. Welsh *****.

[Kodjias Wrist]

1 minute ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:

They often got sub 2000 crowds in the 80s. 35000 watching their parade, apparently.

They were getting around 5 - 6k before the mew owners took over. Bit of a random club for a project because I'm not sure how big their potential can be?

If i was looking to invest and bring a team up through the leagues, I would look at teams like Carlisle, Bradford, Southend etc.

[Super]

The series is very good. Great scenes yesterday every chance they'll be doing it again this time next year.

[REDOXO]

Some good views and thoughts on the other Wrexham thread. 

[Big C]

to be honest I like the story. When I first heard of the interest from the McReynolds company I thought it was just a publicity stunt but you can't deny that they have come through with not just the football club but the community as well

[Red-Robbo]

3 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

They were getting around 5 - 6k before the mew owners took over. Bit of a random club for a project because I'm not sure how big their potential can be?

If i was looking to invest and bring a team up through the leagues, I would look at teams like Carlisle, Bradford, Southend etc.

 

I guess theoretically they draw on support throughout North Wales, though its coastal towns seem to be full of exiled Scousers. Probably more Liverpool and Everton support there than Wrexham. 

[phantom]

21 minutes ago, DaveInSA said:

I find all the attention their getting a bit like vomit inducing. I can't remember who went up from the national league last year - there was literally zero publicity.

And now we have a Hollywood star owning a football club suddenly it's everywhere, Wrexham this, Wrexham that, Wrexham the other. It's a fairytale and aren't they great blah, blah, blah.

So is it good, bad or indifferent?

Discuss.

I'm with you on this subject

I am sick and tired of the crazy coverage they are getting, BBC breaking news last night !! Division 5 Champions FFS!!

With the amount of money they chucked at the team the title was pretty much nailed on

The ONE thing I would say is that it has done wonders for the area, but how many are there trying to get on a Netflix show etc

[Super]

1 minute ago, phantom said:

I'm with you on this subject

I am sick and tired of the crazy coverage they are getting, BBC breaking news last night !! Division 5 Champions FFS!!

With the amount of money they chucked at the team the title was pretty much nailed on

The ONE thing I would say is that it has done wonders for the area, but how many are there trying to get on a Netflix show etc

In fairness Notts County spent a lot of money which is why both were miles ahead.

[Kodjias Wrist]

8 minutes ago, phantom said:

I'm with you on this subject

I am sick and tired of the crazy coverage they are getting, BBC breaking news last night !! Division 5 Champions FFS!!

With the amount of money they chucked at the team the title was pretty much nailed on

The ONE thing I would say is that it has done wonders for the area, but how many are there trying to get on a Netflix show etc

I really enjoyed the Salford one tbf and i think the documentary on QPR 4 year plan , where we featured with the last min Caulker goal at Loftus Road! 

Edited May 3, 2023 by Kodjias Wrist

[Red Ferret]

"I'm sick and tired of constantly hearing about Wrexham" says the man creating yet another thread about Wrexham 

[slartibartfast]

4 minutes ago, Red Ferret said:

"I'm sick and tired of constantly hearing about Wrexham" says the man creating yet another thread about Wrexham 

So, if your sick of this government, you don't vote because it's just adding to the angst?

[Red Ferret]

Just now, slartibartfast said:

So, if your sick of this government, you don't vote because it's just adding to the angst?

That's not quite the right analogy there. 

[Bristol Oil Services]

Immediately turn off or over now upon hearing "Wrexham" on the radio.

[Open End Numb Legs]

As someone who loathes celebrity culture with an absolute passion I agree with the OP.

This is all about the owners and not about sport.

Good for the club and supporters right now but is it sustainable?

The news media rams celebrities down our throats at every opportunity. I am tired of being TOLD who is a star. That is for us to decide, not the PR for the person involved.

The stars should be the footballers, coaches and physios whilst the owners should sit quietly in the background.

[slartibartfast]

You get these wise arses saying don't watch or listen then. The point being you can't NOT see it.    

Watching Breakfast BBC this morning yet another 10 minuet  item on them ! This is ****** non-league for gawds sake............... most of the time you'd have a hard job to know who got promoted from the Championship on BBC !

[maxjak]

Yep .......completely revitalising an economically downtrodden city, drawing attention worldwide to the National league, benefitting the resurgence of the Welsh language, increasing tourism to an area of Great Britain that has been neglected, and making thousands of people happy................I mean what is there to like?  Pheckin Hollywood?

[GrahamC]

Absolutely nauseating.

The fact that they’re Welsh & the BBC has to find something for the disproportionate number of journalists they have to report on is definitely a factor, but the blanket coverage is farcical.

Plenty of Championship sides doing very well like Coventry & Luton are getting a small fraction of the airtime they are.

Shame that the number of Welsh sides in the league has returned to 4, be far happier myself if it was zero & they played in their own little league.

Edited May 3, 2023 by GrahamC

[maxjak]

50 minutes ago, DaveInSA said:

I find all the attention their getting a bit like vomit inducing. I can't remember who went up from the national league last year - there was literally zero publicity.

And now we have a Hollywood star owning a football club suddenly it's everywhere, Wrexham this, Wrexham that, Wrexham the other. It's a fairytale and aren't they great blah, blah, blah.

So is it good, bad or indifferent?

Discuss.

Good................Possibly the fact that extremely questionable,  politically corrupt Nations like........... Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE are infiltrating the Premier League with their insidious billions ..is somehow of far more concern to me, than a couple of well meaning millionaires revitalising  a British city?

[Kid in the Riot]

14 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

This is all about the owners and not about sport.

The stars should be the footballers, coaches and physios whilst the owners should sit quietly in the background.

You should try watching Welcome to Wrexham, which puts the people of Wrexham and everyone involved in the football club very much front and centre. 

The Wrexham story is going to keep running, so might as well get used to it.

FWIW I strongly suspect they'll be in the Championship within 2-3 years.

[maxjak]

11 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Absolutely nauseating.

The fact that they’re Welsh & the BBC has to find something for the disproportionate number of journalists they have to report on is definitely a factor, but the blanket coverage is farcical.

Plenty of Championship sides doing very well like Coventry & Luton are getting a small fraction of the airtime they are.

Shame that the number of Welsh sides in the league has returned to 4, be far happier myself if it was zero & they played in their own little league.

But Coventry and Luton are at the top of the Championship, with all the attendant economical benefits that will bring..........before those two disreputable no good Hollywood stars turned up...Wrexham were on their last legs at the bottom of the National League, and nearing bankruptcy?   Did you consider that?  Sorry to say it.........but you seem a very bitter shortsighted individual?

Edited May 3, 2023 by maxjak

[Open End Numb Legs]

1 minute ago, Kid in the Riot said:

You should try watching Welcome to Wrexham, which puts the people of Wrexham and everyone involved in the football club very much front and centre. 

The Wrexham story is going to keep running, so might as well get used to it.

FWIW I strongly suspect they'll be in the Championship within 2-3 years.

That's fine, my criticism is of the media representation, not the owners and club specifically.

[Kid in the Riot]

Just now, Open End Numb Legs said:

That's fine, my criticism is of the media representation, not the owners and club specifically.

They're already doing more "hits" than most Premier League clubs, let alone the likes of us. So the coverage is going to continue at a pace, I'm afraid! 

[firstdivision]

It's funny how you can take against a club. I've never liked Wrexham since they knocked us out of both cups in the 1977-78 season. They were two leagues below us. We played out an amazing 4-4 draw at home in the FA Cup. 2-0 up, 4-2 down, 4-4. Thumped in the replay.

I wonder what people will be thinking if/when they're beating us in the Championship in three years' time. See Luton. 

[phantom]

43 minutes ago, Super said:

In fairness Notts County spent a lot of money which is why both were miles ahead.

Very valid point, but haven't been paying league one wages etc

[Dastardly and Muttley]

I work with a born and bred Wrexham fan here in Slough. ST holder who’s been going for years.

He made a point that Ryan and Rob have bought normality in Wrexham. They’re both looking at owning houses in the area and are treated as locals when they’re in the town. Yes, everyone knows who they are, but what they’ve done for the community and the way they’ve integrated has been special.

I still wanted Notts County to beat though.

[Red-Robbo]

11 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

They're already doing more "hits" than most Premier League clubs, let alone the likes of us. So the coverage is going to continue at a pace, I'm afraid! 

 

That'll all change when Lansdown reveals the foreign investors he is in talks with are George Clooney, Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp...  

[cityexile]

I mean, its a show and its money, but don't mind it really. Less nauseating than the titles bought at the very top of the game. Owners at least having the appearance of buying in to the idea of it and not just all for show.

Taps in to some warmth about grass roots football and 'how football used to be' a bit. A media love in for sure, but at least its not Manchester, Liverpool, London for once. 

[2015]

Hopefully Notts County get their deserved promotion in the playoffs.

[Baba Yaga]

10 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Yep .......completely revitalising an economically downtrodden city, drawing attention worldwide to the National league, benefitting the resurgence of the Welsh language, increasing tourism to an area of Great Britain that has been neglected, and making thousands of people happy................I mean what is there to like?  Pheckin Hollywood?

Is Wrexham really that downtrodden and neglected? I think there are many places worse off in that area within say a one hours drive. The reason I say this is because I suspect this is a myth being exaggerated by the creators of the show to make the story more marketable to the american audience (and people believe it). I agree they have created a real buzz around the town and I suspect the bbc and others are pushing this story so much because they want to see how far it can go and if it can result in actual benefits to that area (but also the owners deserve a lot of credit here too), however a lot of this 'revitalising' is just hype at the moment and may not last for long/result in the gains hoped for in tourism/economy.

[jj77]

Do you think there is a Bristol City thread on the Wrexham site?

[Open End Numb Legs]

That 4-4 cup draw!!

Possibly the most dramatic game I ever saw at AG.

Grown men, strangers, hugging each other at the last goal. Not normally the behaviour you saw in the Enclosure!

[Sir Geoff]

42 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

You get these wise arses saying don't watch or listen then. The point being you can't NOT see it.    

Watching Breakfast BBC this morning yet another 10 minuet  item on them ! This is ****** non-league for gawds sake............... most of the time you'd have a hard job to know who got promoted from the Championship on BBC !

On / off button broken ?  No one made you watch it. And that's not being a wiseass.

[Club and Country]

I'm very much in the against modern football brigade etc.... however, and I don't know why, I don't mind this one at all

the owners seem good, genuine guy (and pretty funny) giving an awful amount of time to the local community and it's people not just the football club

fair play to them 

[pongo88]

Life’s not fair is it? Wrexham get a lot of publicity because they’ve got a couple of Hollywood chaps involved, but we had Stoney Garnet and Baldrick and  it didn’t make the national news at all 

[Enclosure Old Timer]

34 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

That 4-4 cup draw!!

Possibly the most dramatic game I ever saw at AG.

Grown men, strangers, hugging each other at the last goal. Not normally the behaviour you saw in the Enclosure!

Wished afterwards that the equaliser never happened, went to the replay and saw us get thumped!

[Mr Popodopolous]

1 hour ago, Mike Hunt-Hertz said:

They often got sub 2000 crowds in the 80s. 35000 watching their parade, apparently.

Tbh the 80s football had some issues, and attendances really did hit some low low points.

However without a doubt it will have sparked more interest than there otherwise would have been.

[slartibartfast]

48 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

On / off button broken ?  No one made you watch it. And that's not being a wiseass.

I think you'll find it is !

[ZumerZetSmithy]

i have enjoyed see it regardless of the money and hype.  Better than seeing a Man Shitty  one

[WarksRobin]

It will be interesting to see how they get on with FFP rules in the league. What is it, a limit of % of income can be spent on salaries?

[TMWANG50]

I was very cynical as the Beeb were giving them so much lovein but I actually watched a few of the series and you can see they are in it for a few good reasons as well as a vanity project. The fact they didn't quit after the first two failed years was a surprise to me as apparently they had 10 clubs under consideration before they picked Wrexham. Notts County have also spent well above their means (they've got away with it as Financial reporting doesn't have to be very sophisticated in the National League) so its not quite as black and white as some people like to make out in terms of player investment and thus why both were miles clear.

It must be spreading as a retired NFL player and his wife are now investing in Burnley (apparently a lovely place!!!) https://www.skysports.com/nfl/news/11095/12870907/burnley-fc-nfl-star-jj-watt-and-wife-kealia-announce-investment-in-the-clarets

[Hamdon Mart]

4 minutes ago, WarksRobin said:

It will be interesting to see how they get on with FFP rules in the league. What is it, a limit of % of income can be spent on salaries?

Take your point but the income from streams has rocketed this year (as has a lot of their sponsorship income tbf) and I'm sure that things will ramp up again next season, particularly if things go well on the pitch. 

[shelts]

I thoroughly enjoyed the series and it gave me a bit of interest in the National League , I watched a few games and was pleasantly surprised at how good the standard was . Deprived area and something for the locals to be happy about . Love a bit of joy !!

[DaveInSA]

2 hours ago, maxjak said:

Good................Possibly the fact that extremely questionable,  politically corrupt Nations like........... Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE are infiltrating the Premier League with their insidious billions ..is somehow of far more concern to me, than a couple of well meaning millionaires revitalising  a British city?

yep - I rate this is a bigger issue by far

[REDOXO]

2 hours ago, jj77 said:

Do you think there are two Bristol City threads on the Wrexham site?

Fixed that for you!

[REDOXO]

1 hour ago, shelts said:

I thoroughly enjoyed the series and it gave me a bit of interest in the National League , I watched a few games and was pleasantly surprised at how good the standard was . Deprived area and something for the locals to be happy about . Love a bit of joy !!

What the **** do you come here for then!?

[maxjak]

3 hours ago, Baba Yaga said:

Is Wrexham really that downtrodden and neglected? I think there are many places worse off in that area within say a one hours drive. The reason I say this is because I suspect this is a myth being exaggerated by the creators of the show to make the story more marketable to the american audience (and people believe it). I agree they have created a real buzz around the town and I suspect the bbc and others are pushing this story so much because they want to see how far it can go and if it can result in actual benefits to that area (but also the owners deserve a lot of credit here too), however a lot of this 'revitalising' is just hype at the moment and may not last for long/result in the gains hoped for in tourism/economy.

Yawn

[maxjak]

4 hours ago, DaveInSA said:

I find all the attention their getting a bit like vomit inducing. I can't remember who went up from the national league last year - there was literally zero publicity.

And now we have a Hollywood star owning a football club suddenly it's everywhere, Wrexham this, Wrexham that, Wrexham the other. It's a fairytale and aren't they great blah, blah, blah.

So is it good, bad or indifferent?

Discuss.

May i ask.....Re: your username....do u live in South Africa?

[Davefevs]

3 minutes ago, maxjak said:

May i ask.....Re: your username....do u live in South Africa?

St Annes from memory….I asked the same Q a few years back.

[maxjak]

Just now, Davefevs said:

St Annes from memory….I asked the same Q a few years back.

Thanks Dave.........whenever i see S A.................Spitting Image and a certain song springs to mind......ha!!

[Davefevs]

2 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Thanks Dave.........whenever i see S A.................Spitting Image and a certain song springs to mind......ha!!

That song is 90% true in my experience!

[maxjak]

3 hours ago, maxjak said:

But Coventry and Luton are at the top of the Championship, with all the attendant economical benefits that will bring..........before those two disreputable no good Hollywood stars turned up...Wrexham were on their last legs at the bottom of the National League, and nearing bankruptcy?   Did you consider that?  Sorry to say it.........but you seem a very bitter shortsighted individual?

 

Edited May 3, 2023 by maxjak

[Lorenzos Only Goal]

18 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Thanks Dave.........whenever i see S A.................Spitting Image and a certain song springs to mind......ha!!

 

15 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

That song is 90% true in my experience!

 

That is the best bit of this thread.

[Open End Numb Legs]

Here is the game that went 2-0, then 2-4, then 4-4.

The video is not great quality. Much like the defending!

 

[slartibartfast]

4 hours ago, Red Ferret said:

That's not quite the right analogy there. 

I think it is !

[East End Old Boy]

36 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Thanks Dave.........whenever i see S A.................Spitting Image and a certain song springs to mind......ha!!

“Every breath you take”?

I’ll be watching you………

[mozo]

4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

That'll all change when Lansdown reveals the foreign investors he is in talks with are George Clooney, Brad Pitt and Johnny Depp...  

Maybe not those individuals but we'd definitely be an interesting Championship project for a US celeb and their rich mates. We can see from the (irritating) Wrexham situation that the glamour of Hollywood really elevates the brand of a football club, which is (irritatingly) a big part of football nowadays. In a way it's exactly what we need.

[Red-Robbo]

5 minutes ago, mozo said:

Maybe not those individuals but we'd definitely be an interesting Championship project for a US celeb and their rich mates. We can see from the (irritating) Wrexham situation that the glamour of Hollywood really elevates the brand of a football club, which is (irritatingly) a big part of football nowadays. In a way it's exactly what we need.

 

It's clear the Hollywood touch gives you the sort of glamour that brings attention and more money. My post was a joke, but two of those actors have West Country homes and the other has one in the Cotswolds so - why not! 

(As long as they don't make one of their kids chairman)

[handsofclay]

One of the greatest Hollywood stars of all time used to watch us play.... Cary Grant. But we didn't make a song and dance about it like these other clubs.

Joe Jordan said that the reason he continued to live in Bristol is because when he is out people don't bother him, they acknowledge him but then leave him be. I like to think that's what makes us appeal to Hollywood stars and Bollywood ones for that matter. That they can come to Ashton Gate and enjoy the game and atmosphere in a relaxed fashion and not be bothered by the demands of fans. We can simply give them a nod and a smile of appreciation and concentrate on the match and not act any differently than if we were sat next to Joe Bloggs from Bemmy. *

*Obviously, though, if one of our players nears goal it's best not to shout 'shoot!' if Alec Baldwin is the star sitting next to one. 

 

Edited May 3, 2023 by handsofclay

[Kingswood Robin]

9 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

It's clear the Hollywood touch gives you the sort of glamour that brings attention and more money. My post was a joke, but two of those actors have West Country homes and the other has one in the Cotswolds so - why not! 

(As long as they don't make one of their kids chairman)

 

Would we be good if those actors came in and formed a holding company called Ocean's Eleven.   

I must say I'm looking forward to the One Show coverage when Boreham Wood go up via the play-offs !

[robinforlife2]

It's all well and good, but had they come over and bought us, pumped loads into the community and got us to the Premier League, we would be lapping it up big time, and if you say you wouldn't have, they I think you and I both know you're lying. Fair play to them I say. 

[maxjak]

1 hour ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Here is the game that went 2-0, then 2-4, then 4-4.

The video is not great quality. Much like the defending!

 

Then we got stuffed in the replay....Ha!

[Open End Numb Legs]

58 minutes ago, robinforlife2 said:

It's all well and good, but had they come over and bought us, pumped loads into the community and got us to the Premier League, we would be lapping it up big time, and if you say you wouldn't have, they I think you and I both know you're lying. Fair play to them I say. 

I think most on here have criticised the media, not the owners or the club or the fans.

Personally my pride would be greatest if a City side full of academy products could get us promoted, a golden generation if you like. Of course if AS goes in the summer that tells us where we stand in the big scheme of things but I genuinely would rather we didn't go up just due to a Hollywood type of connection. Rich arabs? Boom and bust? Not for me, I want strong foundations before celebrating. I don't want to see City do another 3 x division drop.

[Leveller]

1 hour ago, robinforlife2 said:

It's all well and good, but had they come over and bought us, pumped loads into the community and got us to the Premier League, we would be lapping it up big time, and if you say you wouldn't have, they I think you and I both know you're lying. Fair play to them I say. 

This. They haven’t tried to buy a glamour club, they’ve revived a good traditional club in a rather depressed city, and revitalised the whole area in the process. I accept it’s hard on Notts County etc, but frankly every league has richer and poorer clubs, which is something that will never change.

I think it’s a positive story all round.

[mozo]

3 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

It's clear the Hollywood touch gives you the sort of glamour that brings attention and more money. My post was a joke, but two of those actors have West Country homes and the other has one in the Cotswolds so - why not! 

(As long as they don't make one of their kids chairman)

Imagine Depp calling the shots. It would be chaos (but the team Christmas parties would be epic)

[1960maaan]

5 hours ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

Here is the game that went 2-0, then 2-4, then 4-4.

The video is not great quality. Much like the defending!

 

Bloody hell , don't think I've seen that before.
We were in the back of the East End, so excited with the comeback we were determined to go to the replay. Decided not to in the end, I'm glad to say, 3-0 I believe.