Another old picture

[sticks 1969]

[archie andrews]

brian williams ...bob carolgees.....spit the dog......

never been seen in the same room ever.........

[Midred]

Which year was that?

[archie andrews]

1 minute ago, Midred said:

Which year was that?

pre season 86/87 i rek...........

[Offside]

Looks like the temporary kit we had before the Hirerite one with the white stripe across the middle was introduced. 

[Red Army 75]

Decent side that was. Bobby Hutchinson what a player he was. Remember scoring a bullet header. Think against York City. 

[Ronnie Sinclair]

8 minutes ago, Offside said:

Looks like the temporary kit we had before the Hirerite one with the white stripe across the middle was introduced. 

Yes it was - just dug out another old team photo in said kit

 

[cider hoss rules]

45 minutes ago, Midred said:

Which year was that?

Presume 86/7 as the Wembley win against Bolton was May 86 and that is the trophy I think.

[Adge's Cider Mug]

40 minutes ago, Red Army 75 said:

Decent side that was. Bobby Hutchinson what a player he was. Remember scoring a bullet header. Think against York City. 

May have been York, but also scored another bullet header against Brentford (Carl Hutchings played for them). Met Bobby and Rob Newman in the Porthouse on Princes Street that night and said ‘great goal today Bobby’. His response was ‘it just hit me head, mate’. Agreed, great player and seemed to be a decent guy.

[Red Army 75]

17 minutes ago, Adge's Cider Mug said:

May have been York, but also scored another bullet header against Brentford (Carl Hutchings played for them). Met Bobby and Rob Newman in the Porthouse on Princes Street that night and said ‘great goal today Bobby’. His response was ‘it just hit me head, mate’. Agreed, great player and seemed to be a decent guy.

Carl Hutchings was playing in the 90s. Unless I got that wrong 

[Nogbad the Bad]

2 hours ago, sticks 1969 said:

Remember seeing Graham Underhill make what I think was his only City appearance at Wolves in Div.3. A disappointing City defeat at Molineux of course!

Gordon Moore was a young winger iirc, remember him making a sub. appearance at AG. He tried hard and got great encouragement from the Enclosure as he battled to try and get down the wing but was never seen again.

[Nogbad the Bad]

2 hours ago, Ronnie Sinclair said:

Yes it was - just dug out another old team photo in said kit

 

The player between Walsh and Bromage is not named for some reason.

Looks like Chris Honor?

[Oh Louie louie]

Yes it's, Chris, can recall seeing Nigel Hawkins score against reading, he made Blackpool's worst ever 11 I read on their forum, and if i remember rightly we had Aylesbury in the fa cup at home and mark coombs was in goal?

[SecretSam]

14 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said:

Yes it's, Chris, can recall seeing Nigel Hawkins score against reading, he made Blackpool's worst ever 11 I read on their forum, and if i remember rightly we had Aylesbury in the fa cup at home and mark coombs was in goal?

Yup, I was there, an absolute shocker of a game. Tony Caldwell got what was one of only a handful of goals for us. 

I actually met one of the Aylesbury players a few years back, chap called Cliff Hercules, who now runs football coaching schools for kids. Lovely guy, I mentioned that game, and how we were absolutely cr**ping it because of our keeper. He said that they never knew!!! "Had we known, we'd have taken a few more pot shots!".

 

[headhunter]

10 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

The player between Walsh and Bromage is not named for some reason.

Looks like Chris Honor?

It is

[cidered abroad]

12 hours ago, Adge's Cider Mug said:

May have been York, but also scored another bullet header against Brentford (Carl Hutchings played for them). Met Bobby and Rob Newman in the Porthouse on Princes Street that night and said ‘great goal today Bobby’. His response was ‘it just hit me head, mate’. Agreed, great player and seemed to be a decent guy.

If rumour was to be believed, Bobby H was a top scorer at all the clubs he played for!

[1960maaan]

Thought I'd share a few Pics I'd come across. Don't think I've shared them before.

Eastville open end 1976, ended 0-0.

I have no details about this one other than it is apparently 1982.

With some dodgy detective work I think it could be Oxford from March . 0-2 and one of Jan Moller's last games for us.

Last for today, Keith Fear Vs Leeds in the FA Cup. Fear lobbing David Harvey for City's goal in the 1-1.
I had a great view of this as I was in the open end for some reason. I guess it was the tickets my Dad got, we were right on the fence.

 

[GrahamC]

If anyone can name the 4 outfield players in the middle picture they are hardcore.

We were in a real mess then, this was just after going bust.

[1960maaan]

15 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

If anyone can name the 4 outfield players in the middle picture they are hardcore.

We were in a real mess then, this was just after going bust.

I knew 1/2 , had to check my books to check and still don't know the one on the right for sure.

If it is the game I think it is, the team was:

Moller
Stevens
Williams
Bray
McCaffery
Nicolls
Gooding
Carter
Chandler
Harford
Hay

I know most of that team but have no recollection of 2 of them;

*** L. Carter played 16 games for us and the only Gooding I can find played 3.

Edited June 30, 2023 by 1960maaan

[Nogbad the Bad]

What's your detective work that points to the Oxford game?

EE looks a bit too populated for March 82 to me.

 

[Super]

Recognise all the names apart from Mark Coombe? 

[22A]

"Eastville open end 1976, ended 0-0." That was Easter Monday 76 on our way to promotion. The previous season we won 4-1 at Eastville Dec 28 1974.

[hollydog]

2 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

I knew 1/2 , had to check my books to check and still don't know the one on the right for sure.

If it is the game I think it is, the team was:

Moller
Stevens
Williams
Bray
McCaffery
Nicolls
Gooding
Carter
Chandler
Harford
Hay

I know most of that team but have no recollection of 2 of them;

*** L. Carter played 16 games for us and the only Gooding I can find played 3.

Carter I think was a winger signed from

Palace. Gooding central midfielder (from Coventry?)

Neither would justify a footnote in our history. Moller and Harford aside we a dreadful team.

[1960maaan]

1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

What's your detective work that points to the Oxford game?

EE looks a bit too populated for March 82 to me.

 

The photo I found was listed as 1982.
Jan Moller left before the end of the season 1981-82 . 
Pretty sure that's Alan Nicholls in the background.
The games left are between Jan -  March 13  when Moller played his last game.
The games were Wimbledon, Huddersfield , Fulham , Portsmouth , Exeter , Oxford and Lincoln.
Of those I doubt Huddersfield , Fulham or Portsmouth would change kits.
I think it could be Keith Cassells challenging for the header, and to back that I found this photo.
The kit looks similar.

As for the crowd, if I am right , there were over 8,000 there.  

[GrahamC]

19 minutes ago, hollydog said:

Carter I think was a winger signed from

Palace. Gooding central midfielder (from Coventry?)

Neither would justify a footnote in our history. Moller and Harford aside we a dreadful team.

All true.

Gooding & McCaffery were 2 players we borrowed after going bust but the league then changed their mind on whether we could sign players on loan having done so, we were made to send them back.

We argued Carter wasn’t a loan but on a contract until the end of the season so he stayed. He (& Gooding) in particular were really poor players.

After this game & once we sold our only 2 assets in Harford & Moller we went on an 11 game run losing 9 & drawing 2.

Basically it was John Shaw & loads of kids, despite the nostalgia for that era it was grim as hell, crowds were 3 or 4 thousand by seasons end.

 

[hollydog]

27 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

All true.

Gooding & McCaffery were 2 players we borrowed after going bust but the league then changed their mind on whether we could sign players on loan having done so, we were made to send them back.

We argued Carter wasn’t a loan but on a contract until the end of the season so he stayed. He (& Gooding) in particular were really poor players.

After this game & once we sold our only 2 assets in Harford & Moller we went on an 11 game run losing 9 & drawing 2.

Basically it was John Shaw & loads of kids, despite the nostalgia for that era it was grim as hell, crowds were 3 or 4 thousand by seasons end.

 

Good knowledge! My God it was grim

[hollydog]

31 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

The photo I found was listed as 1982.
Jan Moller left before the end of the season 1981-82 . 
Pretty sure that's Alan Nicholls in the background.
The games left are between Jan -  March 13  when Moller played his last game.
The games were Wimbledon, Huddersfield , Fulham , Portsmouth , Exeter , Oxford and Lincoln.
Of those I doubt Huddersfield , Fulham or Portsmouth would change kits.
I think it could be Keith Cassells challenging for the header, and to back that I found this photo.
The kit looks similar.

As for the crowd, if I am right , there were over 8,000 there.  

Did we lose 2-0?

[Nogbad the Bad]

39 minutes ago, 1960maaan said:

The photo I found was listed as 1982.
Jan Moller left before the end of the season 1981-82 . 
Pretty sure that's Alan Nicholls in the background.
The games left are between Jan -  March 13  when Moller played his last game.
The games were Wimbledon, Huddersfield , Fulham , Portsmouth , Exeter , Oxford and Lincoln.
Of those I doubt Huddersfield , Fulham or Portsmouth would change kits.
I think it could be Keith Cassells challenging for the header, and to back that I found this photo.
The kit looks similar.

As for the crowd, if I am right , there were over 8,000 there.  

Good detective work, very persuasive.

Interestingly Cassell's left Oxford for Southampton in March 82 so if it is him it must have been one of his last game for Oxford, if not his last.

Definitely Nicholls (a big loss when he badly broke his leg) but I can't get over how much the player on the right looks like Aitken, which it can't be if it's March '82.

[1960maaan]

16 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Gooding & McCaffery were 2 players we borrowed after going bust but the league then changed their mind on whether we could sign players on loan having done so, we were made to send them back.

I have no memory of Gooding ( or Carter TBH ) . McCaffery I didn't like, not just for the obvious.

18 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Basically it was John Shaw & loads of kids, despite the nostalgia for that era it was grim as hell, crowds were 3 or 4 thousand by seasons end.

It was grim this season, it also got worse. Bottom of the League at one point the following year. 
The worse it got , the more I went and I think it is a little bit siege mentality, bit us against the World. But I know a few who would say these times were among their favourite following City. 
Though after coming back from an evening trip to Colchester (I think) , seeing one dribbled shot on target for us, I didn't think much of TC saying he was happy with the game 

[1960maaan]

10 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Good detective work, very persuasive.

Interestingly Cassell's left Oxford for Southampton in March 82 so if it is him it must have been one of his last game for Oxford, if not his last.

Definitely Nicholls (a big loss when he badly broke his leg) but I can't get over how much the player on the right looks like Aitken, which it can't be if it's March '82.

I think it might be Wayne Bray, though not 100%.

28 minutes ago, hollydog said:

Did we lose 2-0?

Yep.

[cidered abroad]

The Eastville one in '76. We were on our way up to Div One.

I was right at the back and a local ice cream van stopped on the hard shoulder of M32 to sell ice cream and cold drinks to the City fans within easy reach. After five minutes, Mr Plod car stopped and told him to move. He just drove around the block and arrived again a few minutes later. Same copper came back and moved him on. This happened about three more times until ice cream driver got their message.

Much better entertainment than a boring 0-0 against the carp of Eastville!

 

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Good detective work, very persuasive.

Interestingly Cassell's left Oxford for Southampton in March 82 so if it is him it must have been one of his last game for Oxford, if not his last.

Definitely Nicholls (a big loss when he badly broke his leg) but I can't get over how much the player on the right looks like Aitken, which it can't be if it's March '82.

 

1 hour ago, 1960maaan said:

I think it might be Wayne Bray, though not 100%.

Yep.

Definitely is Wayne Bray.

[Offside]

Fascinating photos and information again. 

Does anyone know why we wore black shorts in the early 80s? I remember reading somewhere it was to save money during those hard times because they were cheaper than white ones, but I have no idea if there’s any truth in this. 

[1960maaan]

21 minutes ago, Offside said:

Fascinating photos and information again. 

Does anyone know why we wore black shorts in the early 80s? I remember reading somewhere it was to save money during those hard times because they were cheaper than white ones, but I have no idea if there’s any truth in this. 

I don't know for sure, but those shorts have red/white stripes down the sides, I doubt they would be the cheapest option. I just thought it was a style choice at the time, though it may have meant we could use the same shorts for the home and away kit. 

[slartibartfast]

7 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

I knew 1/2 , had to check my books to check and still don't know the one on the right for sure.

If it is the game I think it is, the team was:

Moller
Stevens
Williams
Bray
McCaffery
Nicolls
Gooding
Carter
Chandler
Harford
Hay

I know most of that team but have no recollection of 2 of them;

*** L. Carter played 16 games for us and the only Gooding I can find played 3.

Les Carter ? One of our worst EVER players, on loan from Palace........ Gooding wasn't much better as I recall also on loan .

[Red-Robbo]

2 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Les Carter ? One of our worst EVER players, on loan from Palace........ Gooding wasn't much better as I recall also on loan .

 

Crap player perhaps but an unstoppable sex machine.

 

[1960maaan]

13 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Les Carter ? One of our worst EVER players, on loan from Palace........ Gooding wasn't much better as I recall also on loan .

Perhaps having no memory of them is a bonus then. 
We did get through some players around then TBF.

[GrahamC]

21 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Les Carter ? One of our worst EVER players, on loan from Palace........ Gooding wasn't much better as I recall also on loan .

Spot on, both were absolutely shite.

Gooding had vibes of John Burns who Pulis inexplicably signed from Forest when we sold Jim Brennan, you had no idea what he was even supposed to be good at, truly terrible players.

[archie andrews]

Is no 8 jon economou?.... 

[GrahamC]

6 minutes ago, archie andrews said:

Is no 8 jon economou?.... 

Nope, the aforementioned Les Carter.

[Norn Iron]

1 hour ago, Offside said:

Fascinating photos and information again. 

Does anyone know why we wore black shorts in the early 80s? I remember reading somewhere it was to save money during those hard times because they were cheaper than white ones, but I have no idea if there’s any truth in this. 

The kit manufacturer was Koffer Sports. I thought they deliberately chose black shorts purely for the fact Man U did occasionally and it looked good.

[Nogbad the Bad]

One surprise omission from that team is Russell Musker.

Or had he already broken his leg at Swindon by then?

[1960maaan]

17 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

One surprise omission from that team is Russell Musker.

Or had he already broken his leg at Swindon by then?

Had a quick look, he just seems to be in and out of the side. I can't see any mention of his broken leg , the Swindon away game was in the December of '81.  Could it have been the following year ?

EDIT:
Just Googled it and it was the League Cup tie at Swindon Town in August 1982. So it would have been the following year.

Edited June 30, 2023 by 1960maaan

[Nogbad the Bad]

1 minute ago, 1960maaan said:

Had a quick look, he just seems to be in and out of the side. I can't see any mention of his broken leg , the Swindon away game was in the December of '81.  Could it have been the following year ?

It could have been but I was there and December sounds about right.

The following season we played at Swindon in the League Cup in August and in the league on the last day of the season, so both likely in good weather.

Musker made his City debut in 1980 (Div.2 presumably) so if fit you'd think he'd be above the likes of Bray, let alone Carter and Gooding.

Btw, do you know the sub. v Oxford?

[1960maaan]

10 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

It could have been but I was there and December sounds about right.

The following season we played at Swindon in the League Cup in August and in the league on the last day of the season, so both likely in good weather.

Musker made his City debut in 1980 (Div.2 presumably) so if fit you'd think he'd be above the likes of Bray, let alone Carter and Gooding.

Btw, do you know the sub. v Oxford?

Unused as it's not listed

[slartibartfast]

2 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

Perhaps having no memory of them is a bonus then. 
We did get through some players around then TBF.

You're bloody lucky, then !

[slartibartfast]

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Spot on, both were absolutely shite.

Gooding had vibes of John Burns who Pulis inexplicably signed from Forest when we sold Jim Brennan, you had no idea what he was even supposed to be good at, truly terrible players.

It was strange with Carter, there was a player in there (used to watch him on The Big Match for Palace) and at the time we signed him I thought "he'll do" !

[slartibartfast]

1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

One surprise omission from that team is Russell Musker.

Or had he already broken his leg at Swindon by then?

Probably suffering from one of his rare "diseases"!

[BS3City]

It was watching City in those dire days that made it what it is for me. I was nine for my first game against West Ham in 76/77, and suffered relentlessly as we dropped in the years that followed, surrounded in school by bandwagon Liverpool and Man Ure fans. Siege mentality is correct, but it just made you love and fight for your team even more.

I vaguely remember a win against Bury (in division four I'm sure) where I think we won 1-0, thanks to an Alan Nicholas strike in torrential rain. The pure elation for me ranks alongside 4-2 at Trumpton and the Man Ure cup game. Tough times that made BCFC what it is for me...

COYR!!!

[Jim Davey]

13 hours ago, BS3City said:

It was watching City in those dire days that made it what it is for me. I was nine for my first game against West Ham in 76/77, and suffered relentlessly as we dropped in the years that followed, surrounded in school by bandwagon Liverpool and Man Ure fans. Siege mentality is correct, but it just made you love and fight for your team even more.

I vaguely remember a win against Bury (in division four I'm sure) where I think we won 1-0, thanks to an Alan Nicholas strike in torrential rain. The pure elation for me ranks alongside 4-2 at Trumpton and the Man Ure cup game. Tough times that made BCFC what it is for me...

COYR!!!

Beating York City 1. nil felt like winning the World cup .

[Oh Louie louie]

Il give Brian Williams his due, rough start, stood his ground, earned respect 

[Oh Louie louie]

On 30/06/2023 at 14:21, cidered abroad said:

The Eastville one in '76. We were on our way up to Div One.

I was right at the back and a local ice cream van stopped on the hard shoulder of M32 to sell ice cream and cold drinks to the City fans within easy reach. After five minutes, Mr Plod car stopped and told him to move. He just drove around the block and arrived again a few minutes later. Same copper came back and moved him on. This happened about three more times until ice cream driver got their message.

Much better entertainment than a boring 0-0 against the carp of Eastville!

 

Funny enough I saw armed police surrounding a ice cream van once, they heard he had possession of a magnum

[redkev]

4 hours ago, Jim Davey said:

Beating York City 1. nil felt like winning the World cup .

Was that the famous Ralph Milne slice ( chip ) last couple of minutes 

I remember running down the terracing jumping on to the fence ( lost my grip ) straight back into a puddle

i think nowadays I would run down the terracing and go straight through the fence

[Oh Louie louie]

Think there was another late win at York in the 90?

[Lanterne Rouge]

The Ralph Milne wonder goal at Bootham Crescent was on a BH Monday and was my birthday.

[1960maaan]

2 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

The Ralph Milne wonder goal at Bootham Crescent was on a BH Monday and was my birthday.

Absolute shocking pitch, freezing cold and slippery, brilliant day out. 

We went on the Special train, a load of my mates went on a pirate coach that broke down, we managed to get most of them on the train on one ticket passed around 

[City Rocker]

5 hours ago, Jim Davey said:

Beating York City 1. nil felt like winning the World cup .

 

1 hour ago, redkev said:

Was that the famous Ralph Milne slice ( chip ) last couple of minutes 

I remember running down the terracing jumping on to the fence ( lost my grip ) straight back into a puddle

i think nowadays I would run down the terracing and go straight through the fence

I suspect he probably means a few years earlier - 83/84? 

On the way back up from the depths of 1982 and IIRC I think this game sent us to top of div 4, with the first 10k+ crowd in a few years.

City are back, 'ello, ello! Let the (comparatively) good times roll. 

[GrahamC]

52 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

 

I suspect he probably means a few years earlier - 83/84? 

On the way back up from the depths of 1982 and IIRC I think this game sent us to top of div 4, with the first 10k+ crowd in a few years.

City are back, 'ello, ello! Let the (comparatively) good times roll. 

Paul Stevens got the winner in that one, I think.

Didn’t get many, a good player though & a South Bristol lad.

[Norn Iron]

1 hour ago, City Rocker said:

 

I suspect he probably means a few years earlier - 83/84? 

On the way back up from the depths of 1982 and IIRC I think this game sent us to top of div 4, with the first 10k+ crowd in a few years.

City are back, 'ello, ello! Let the (comparatively) good times roll. 

It was on a Friday night. I think we scored fairly early on? Then it was more of a 'making sure it stayed that way' type of match. Not a good game football wise but oh boy, the atmosphere at the final whistle....Ashton Gate went mental. BS3 had a football team and as Jim D said, it was like winning the World Cup.

[City Rocker]

49 minutes ago, Norn Iron said:

It was on a Friday night. I think we scored fairly early on? Then it was more of a 'making sure it stayed that way' type of match. Not a good game football wise but oh boy, the atmosphere at the final whistle....Ashton Gate went mental. BS3 had a football team and as Jim D said, it was like winning the World Cup.

Yep, we were in the middle of the east end that night and I remember a palpable connection between team and crowd. e.g. Glyn Riley whipping up the chanting at a corner (which I don't think players really used to do back then, as they do now).

It certainly seemed to me like the start of the resurrection. 

[archie andrews]

pretty certain it was a tuesday night.....

[southside]

On 01/07/2023 at 17:35, Lanterne Rouge said:

The Ralph Milne wonder goal at Bootham Crescent was on a BH Monday and was my birthday.

Was there that day, very wet, sat in that little stand though

[southside]

On 01/07/2023 at 17:39, 1960maaan said:

Absolute shocking pitch, freezing cold and slippery, brilliant day out. 

We went on the Special train, a load of my mates went on a pirate coach that broke down, we managed to get most of them on the train on one ticket passed around 

That was a different time,  84

[southside]

On 01/07/2023 at 17:49, City Rocker said:

 

I suspect he probably means a few years earlier - 83/84? 

On the way back up from the depths of 1982 and IIRC I think this game sent us to top of div 4, with the first 10k+ crowd in a few years.

City are back, 'ello, ello! Let the (comparatively) good times roll. 

Come on baby let the (comparatively) good times roll

[southside]

On 01/07/2023 at 17:35, Lanterne Rouge said:

The Ralph Milne wonder goal at Bootham Crescent was on a BH Monday and was my birthday.

1988

[1960maaan]

9 hours ago, southside said:

That was a different time,  84

I could be getting mixed up with the 1-1 draw, Trevor Morgan equaliser. Really thought the Special was the one we won.

9 hours ago, southside said:

1988

Yep , Ralphs late winner.

 

[Miah Dennehy]

On 30/06/2023 at 12:05, 22A said:

"Eastville open end 1976, ended 0-0." That was Easter Monday 76 on our way to promotion. The previous season we won 4-1 at Eastville Dec 28 1974.

I have absolutely no idea why I remember shit like this, but I'm pretty sure the game was Good Friday and not Easter Monday. I was at the game and I'm pretty sure at 26K it must be the biggest home crowd I have ever seen Rovers play in front of. The 4-1 you mention was actually my first ever derby, I think Gordon Fearnley put us 1 up in a strong wind and it was one way traffic in the second half.

Pedantic Gas

[22A]

50 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

I have absolutely no idea why I remember shit like this, but I'm pretty sure the game was Good Friday and not Easter Monday.

Correct!

[1960maaan]

1 hour ago, Miah Dennehy said:

I have absolutely no idea why I remember shit like this, but I'm pretty sure the game was Good Friday and not Easter Monday. I was at the game and I'm pretty sure at 26K it must be the biggest home crowd I have ever seen Rovers play in front of. The 4-1 you mention was actually my first ever derby, I think Gordon Fearnley put us 1 up in a strong wind and it was one way traffic in the second half.

Pedantic Gas

0-0 Friday 16th of April , I have no recollection of this game at all.
The 4-1 only a little better. We walked over from St. Werburghs , and I remember the noise from our lot as we got near that open end. Great away terrace that used to be and technically my first away game, though I'd been to the Glos Cup, we won on Pens I think.

[OneCity]

1 hour ago, Miah Dennehy said:

The 4-1 you mention was actually my first ever derby, I think Gordon Fearnley put us 1 up in a strong wind and it was one way traffic in the second half.

Pedantic Gas

Would be remiss of me not to drop in this little reminder...