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7 minutes ago, roddy-d said:

Why do some think Pring is off?? I’ve read nothing or seen anything indicating this. Is he signed till 2025 with another year option. 

2+2=5 basically. As you say there is nothing to suggest he is going anywhere.

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14 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

If he does, it would be about ££ and we would be better off leaving it plus he will probably get better money elsewhere. If he signs for us, happy days.

I don't get the impression that money is Joe's primary motivation but time will tell.

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7 minutes ago, roddy-d said:

Why do some think Pring is off?? I’ve read nothing or seen anything indicating this. Is he signed till 2025 with another year option. 

I haven’t either but, the lad can play and that will not have gone unnoticed.

I think he is a key part of the squad now but as always money talks and a good offer for him may, and I mean may, see him move on.

I don’t see it this summer but the same will apply next season to Conway if he keeps scoring and we don’t at least make the top 6 .

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9 minutes ago, ScottishRed said:

I haven’t either but, the lad can play and that will not have gone unnoticed.

I think he is a key part of the squad now but as always money talks and a good offer for him may, and I mean may, see him move on.

I don’t see it this summer but the same will apply next season to Conway if he keeps scoring and we don’t at least make the top 6 .

He’s certainly has came on loads since watching him play for Hereford. 
I for one can’t see him moving on in the summer. 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

So now you’re gonna believe us

So now you’re gonna believe us

So now you’re gonna beliiiiiiiieve ussssssss

Joe Bryan’s coming back

 

(well maybe)

In all seriousness, if this is true and the other rumoured clubs are true, I wouldn’t see him choosing the others over us.

 

Shock of the century that Cardiff is in for another of our former players

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

So now you’re gonna believe us

So now you’re gonna believe us

So now you’re gonna beliiiiiiiieve ussssssss

Joe Bryan’s coming back

 

(well maybe)

In all seriousness, if this is true and the other rumoured clubs are true, I wouldn’t see him choosing the others over us.

 

Bizarre part of that article is the contention in it that Pring could play CB is in any way a factor.

Can’t see that at all.

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11 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Bizarre part of that article is the contention in it that Pring could play CB is in any way a factor.

Can’t see that at all.

No, agree…as several of us have said I would expect Joe to play in front of Cam, some left midfield-type role.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

No, nor me.  Anything but imho.

I agree but hopefully we won’t use coming home as a chip with which to take the proverbial - it’s part of the conversation of course but won’t be the be all and end all.   Given who is in charge now I wouldn’t think that would be the case but historically that may well have happened. 

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16 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Bizarre part of that article is the contention in it that Pring could play CB is in any way a factor.

Can’t see that at all.

Agreed, unless it's a short term fix until Atkinson is fit.

Not ideal but I'm not having Naismith at CB who continues to be an accident waiting to happen. He can play in midfield with James. 

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I'd think that the first requisite for City this coming season if they want to make a serious attempt at reaching the playoffs is to have two players for every position, for every formation. So if whatever NP chooses, he has cover for every position and with another 50-55 games on the cards next season, that will be vital if there's to be no fall-off. Probably means Pring isn't going anywhere, I'd say.... JB as a LCDM might well work; after all, King & James can't play every week, that's for sure. 

Maybe as regards to Mehmeti, NP think he might try him on the right at some point. He's got Sykes and a few others  that can play there but IMO Weimann is better as a 10 and no one else has really grabbed the shirt when they've come in. And you only have to look back to last Saturday to see how dangerous a quality left footed player can be on the right flank. 

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26 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Agreed, unless it's a short term fix until Atkinson is fit.

Not ideal but I'm not having Naismith at CB who continues to be an accident waiting to happen. He can play in midfield with James. 

I would still expect our summer recruitment to address this, so us signing Joe Bryan (or not) won’t be a factor.

Atkinson said last week that his ACL injury was a “7 to 9 month” one, so realistically he’s not going to be back until November.

We therefore already know this, so adding Jake O’Brien & either bringing in another CB as well or offering Kalas reduced terms, plus of course having the ever available Vyner to call upon is how we address this, not by playing our best LB out of position for months.

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1 hour ago, BLRed said:

Can we have Webster and Kelly back please also? Along with brownhill, eliasson and Bobby 

We can all  dream lolz. I think the best thing we can hope for is they all get big money moves this summer. 

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2 hours ago, roddy-d said:

Why do some think Pring is off?? I’ve read nothing or seen anything indicating this. Is he signed till 2025 with another year option. 

Hope not! Although someone I know who knows his family said him and his agent were looking to leave in the Jan window when he was out of favour with Nige. 

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22 minutes ago, Kodjias Wrist said:

Hope not! Although someone I know who knows his family said him and his agent were looking to leave in the Jan window when he was out of favour with Nige. 

He said she said. Clearly the kick up the backside he needed as said Pring has come on loads from the player I watched at Hereford while on loan there. 

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People are talking about Pring as if it would be a case of ‘letting him go’. It wouldn’t be that. It would be a case of getting fairly big bids for him, which I definitely wouldn’t rule out happening as he’s been that good since January. 

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1 hour ago, petehinton said:

People are talking about Pring as if it would be a case of ‘letting him go’. It wouldn’t be that. It would be a case of getting fairly big bids for him, which I definitely wouldn’t rule out happening as he’s been that good since January. 

With a dominant ball winning CB, I’m more than happy to see him as a LCB in a 2 or 3.  He has been superb for us in 2023 but has performed  equally well in both positions.

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6 hours ago, marcofisher said:

I can’t see us signing Bryan and Currie. Unless this means that Pring is off. I think we would go for Currie over Bryan as cheaper wages and fits our general direction in terms of signings. 

I can. That will mean we are fully covered down the left hand side. 

Our general direction in terms of signings is either players that we can develop or players Nige has worked with before. Whilst Nige hasn't worked with Bryan before, I'm sure Tinnion would have. Nige clearly trusts Tinnions judgement. 

Our dressing room is going to lose some experience in the summer so that may need replacing.

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2 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I can. That will mean we are fully covered down the left hand side. 

Our general direction in terms of signings is either players that we can develop or players Nige has worked with before. Whilst Nige hasn't worked with Bryan before, I'm sure Tinnion would have. Nige clearly trusts Tinnions judgement. 

Our dressing room is going to lose some experience in the summer so that may need replacing.

For me it’s about improving the squad, either with better players or providing depth…or both.  We are gonna need more players who can play 30-35+ games with decreasing the team performance level.  This season we’ve struggled when the likes of Naismith AND James have been injured at the same time.  We’ve struggled when Atkinson joined Kalas in the injured list and Pring had to move away from LB.

You’re right re experience too.  Kalas and King likely to depart.

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29 minutes ago, Shuffle said:

With a dominant ball winning CB, I’m more than happy to see him as a LCB in a 2 or 3.  He has been superb for us in 2023 but has performed  equally well in both positions.

If we are going with a back four, which I suspect is Pearson's preferred defence, two dominant centre backs, both good in the air and enough pace on the ground to cope with quick attackers. Pring isn't tall enough for a permanent spell in the centre but he is very valuable to defending against wide attacks and massively important for his ability to create real goal scoring attacks down the left side. If we had a Joe Bryan type in wide left midfield, then a real added bonus.

On the right side, Tanner and Sykes are a pretty good pairing although an effective but different combination than the left two.

So defensivel cover, assuming Kalas doesn't stay, we need two centre backs plus Vyner / Atkinson and a right and left back.

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14 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

For me it’s about improving the squad, either with better players or providing depth…or both.  We are gonna need more players who can play 30-35+ games with decreasing the team performance level.  This season we’ve struggled when the likes of Naismith AND James have been injured at the same time.  We’ve struggled when Atkinson joined Kalas in the injured list and Pring had to move away from LB.

You’re right re experience too.  Kalas and King likely to depart.

For me replacing JD in the squad with Bryan is an improvement. Not many have spoken about Joe's set piece ability which would be a huge improvement on what we have got now. Also he adds goals to the team which Nige has spoken about a few times. For me it's an absolute no brainer if we can financially make it work. 

Down the left we will have Pring, Bryan, Mehmeti and Bell can play there too. 

Joe always came across as experienced beyond his years and now he brings back a wealth of experience to us. 

Usually im dead against signing former players but I think Joe will see the vast improvements the club has made since he left with the new training ground and the integration of the whole club at the training ground and the professional set up we now have under Nige. I think those things will excite him and give him the motivation to want to come back here and help take his club to the next level. 

13 minutes ago, cidered abroad said:

If we are going with a back four, which I suspect is Pearson's preferred defence, two dominant centre backs, both good in the air and enough pace on the ground to cope with quick attackers. Pring isn't tall enough for a permanent spell in the centre but he is very valuable to defending against wide attacks and massively important for his ability to create real goal scoring attacks down the left side. If we had a Joe Bryan type in wide left midfield, then a real added bonus.

On the right side, Tanner and Sykes are a pretty good pairing although an effective but different combination than the left two.

So defensivel cover, assuming Kalas doesn't stay, we need two centre backs plus Vyner / Atkinson and a right and left back.

I also think by signing Bryan for him to play left midfield then that gives us the possibility of maybe playing Mehmeti behind the strikers.

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Can’t remember who but someone in the Ross Mccorie thread said that JB was nailed on but after watching the pre match conference it seems very far away from that? 
 

Anyone have any idea if this is direct communication with joe & scout etc or just starting enquiries? 

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1 minute ago, George Rs said:

Can’t remember who but someone in the Ross Mccorie thread said that JB was nailed on but after watching the pre match conference it seems very far away from that? 
 

Anyone have any idea if this is direct communication with joe & scout etc or just starting enquiries? 

Think we’d need @Bcfcshags or @The hand of RO'D to comment.

2+2=5, but the fact that Nige even talked about Bryan, rather than batting away or “I won’t talk about individual players”, sounded to me like confirmation we are in for him…almost positioning with the fans - this is not a signing for sentimental reasons, he’s here to make us stronger and help us challenge for promotion.

I could of course be totally wrong.

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8 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Think we’d need @Bcfcshags or @The hand of RO'D to comment.

2+2=5, but the fact that Nige even talked about Bryan, rather than batting away or “I won’t talk about individual players”, sounded to me like confirmation we are in for him…almost positioning with the fans - this is not a signing for sentimental reasons, he’s here to make us stronger and help us challenge for promotion.

I could of course be totally wrong.

The fact Pearson has named him suggests this is quite far down the line to me.

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3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

The fact Pearson has named him suggests this is quite far down the line to me.

In fairness, Ed Hadwin name-checked him in the question to Nige, but Nige referred to him also.

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15 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Think we’d need @Bcfcshags or @The hand of RO'D to comment.

2+2=5, but the fact that Nige even talked about Bryan, rather than batting away or “I won’t talk about individual players”, sounded to me like confirmation we are in for him…almost positioning with the fans - this is not a signing for sentimental reasons, he’s here to make us stronger and help us challenge for promotion.

I could of course be totally wrong.

Good point, just went through it again and it seemed quite clear he was trying to send that message. And if so they are probably quite far down the line if he’s talking about why they are signing him instead of why they are looking at him. No point bringing up the sentimental part otherwise 

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With Nige there tends to be 3 categories of response that can be loosely interpreted as follows:

1. Flat out denial = genuinely nothing in it

2. "Won't talk about individuals" = we're interested but not at an advanced stage

3. Mentions player by name, expands a bit = very interested, deal at advanced stage. Not done but fairly confident.

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5 minutes ago, AshtonRobin21 said:

Sorry to be a pain, but does anyone know roughly what minute mark Pearson starts to talk about Bryan?

Don’t know about NPs minute mark, but we need at least another 10 pages on this thread before anything happens either way 

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Haven’t heard anything since last week. As a supporter having my own opinion on it, it makes complete sense, a player who can play 3 or so positions, which clearly Nige likes & has won promotion out of this league. Of course the figures have to be right but we’re much more attractive now we have a “proper manager” in charge as to when Joe left, I know LJ wasn’t Joe’s biggest fan. Also Nige spoke about this today, without shutting it down..

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32 minutes ago, George Rs said:

Might be a stupid question but forgive me, how do people get itk about these things? 
 

Knowing someone who works at the club? Hiding in the bins at the training ground? 

Stage one - 3 weeks stakeout at Avon Gorge Hotel

Stage two - subscribe to Plane Tracker and attend Lulsgate (Bristol International Airport to you young uns) twice within a transfer window

Stage three - use the ? emoji with conviction and have the post liked by Kid In The Riot / bcfcshags / hand of Rod

Stage four - hide in the bins at the training ground

???

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Think we’d need @Bcfcshags or @The hand of RO'D to comment.

2+2=5, but the fact that Nige even talked about Bryan, rather than batting away or “I won’t talk about individual players”, sounded to me like confirmation we are in for him…almost positioning with the fans - this is not a signing for sentimental reasons, he’s here to make us stronger and help us challenge for promotion.

I could of course be totally wrong.

Honestly no idea how far along this is! But I’d say if nige is openly talking about it, it’s a good sign. 
 

As for being ITK, I know someone who is high up in one of city’s main sponsors.

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36 minutes ago, Northern Red said:

With Nige there tends to be 3 categories of response that can be loosely interpreted as follows:

1. Flat out denial = genuinely nothing in it

2. "Won't talk about individuals" = we're interested but not at an advanced stage

3. Mentions player by name, expands a bit = very interested, deal at advanced stage. Not done but fairly confident.

He's also sending a message to Joe there as he'd be confident it would be heard by him.  

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7 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Stage one - 3 weeks stakeout at Avon Gorge Hotel

Stage two - subscribe to Plane Tracker and attend Lulsgate (Bristol International Airport to you young uns) twice within a transfer window

Stage three - use the ? emoji with conviction and have the post liked by Kid In The Riot / bcfcshags / hand of Rod

Stage four - hide in the bins at the training ground

???

Stage 5. Contact Bielsa and see what his spies found out.

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Stage one - 3 weeks stakeout at Avon Gorge Hotel

Stage two - subscribe to Plane Tracker and attend Lulsgate (Bristol International Airport to you young uns) twice within a transfer window

Stage three - use the ? emoji with conviction and have the post liked by Kid In The Riot / bcfcshags / hand of Rod

Stage four - hide in the bins at the training ground

???

 

55 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said:

Stage 5. Contact Bielsa and see what his spies found out.

Why not bypass all of this and just subscribe to Roy de Alien? 

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

Stage one - 3 weeks stakeout at Avon Gorge Hotel

Stage two - subscribe to Plane Tracker and attend Lulsgate (Bristol International Airport to you young uns) twice within a transfer window

Stage three - use the ? emoji with conviction and have the post liked by Kid In The Riot / bcfcshags / hand of Rod

Stage four - hide in the bins at the training ground

???

Ummm, there is a stage 5 :fear::fear::)

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I will go as far as to say that assuming we are interested there is no way that Joe Bryan is coming back to play in the Championship for anyone other than Bristol City. Just think about it.

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3 hours ago, The Bard said:

He's also sending a message to Joe there as he'd be confident it would be heard by him.  

Possibly a bit of that but what I know of Nige, he won't say nothing in public that he hasn't said in private! 

I'd suggest that negotiations at at such am advanced stage that conversations have already happened in person and his hunger level has been spoken about. 

I think this is more for the fans. It's Nige saying "we are bringing him back not for sentimental reasons but because he has the hunger and desire to play for us and to help us improve"

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31 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

I think Richard Forrester is a reasonable journalist - not a patch on the late Peter Godsiff, but....

Nevertheless, does he have a sub-editor?

I suspect not, if this paragraph from the article is anything to go by ☹️.

Given the competition for his signature and his current stature having featured 44 times as a Premier League player since leaving City, wages could prove an obstacle. The club have implemented a salary structure to ensure greater disparity across the group of players and Pearson suggested there is still plenty of work to conclude behind the scenes before a deal is secured.  

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1 hour ago, Cardy said:

I will go as far as to say that assuming we are interested there is no way that Joe Bryan is coming back to play in the Championship for anyone other than Bristol City. Just think about it.

I’m not sure, if a team with parachute payments can offer another 8-10k a week than we can and a chance to aim for playoffs, then I’m sure he will give it a thought. 
 

 

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9 hours ago, PHILINFRANCE said:

I think Richard Forrester is a reasonable journalist - not a patch on the late Peter Godsiff, but....

Nevertheless, does he have a sub-editor?

I suspect not, if this paragraph from the article is anything to go by ☹️.

Given the competition for his signature and his current stature having featured 44 times as a Premier League player since leaving City, wages could prove an obstacle. The club have implemented a salary structure to ensure greater disparity across the group of players and Pearson suggested there is still plenty of work to conclude behind the scenes before a deal is secured.  

I laughed at that as well. Many a true word …

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4 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Is there any reason why this cant be announced at any time if hes out if contract? Its clear to me that if this signing happens that this will be marketed as the return of the prodigal son and will be used to sweeten the fan base for when scott leaves!

Not out of contract til June 30th.

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9 hours ago, marcofisher said:

I’m not sure, if a team with parachute payments can offer another 8-10k a week than we can and a chance to aim for playoffs, then I’m sure he will give it a thought. 

And rightly so. Footballers are a long-time retired. 

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11 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

Not out of contract til June 30th.

Could have signed a pre-contract agreement from January, really - but players rarely do this as it's most often not in their interest to do this.

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6 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Yes but cant out of contract footballers sign pre contract agreements from 1 january of the year their contracts expire?

They can but they are creating a rod for their own back with the club they are with and their supporters, and you have to consider that things change quickly in football. Managers move, teams hit bad patches, etc, you would be wary of signing something that ties you into a situation that you don't want to be in.

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Interesting points above made on contracts.

I can maybe share some light on an example. A old school friend of mine used to play for Oxford United and was a regular first team player, but when he got to his final season of his contract, he was openly told in the October that he would not be having his contract renewed and if wanted to look for a move for the January, the club would not stand in his way, but also said they planned to keep him part of the first team. 

My friend was happy living in Witney, had a young family and was happy where he was. By March, he was actually playing every week, had scored a few goals and there was interest from other clubs contacting his agent, about his end of season availability. His agent had been given a provisional offer from a team in the same division, but it would have meant moving. My friend was deep down hoping for a contract extension, but he had categorically been advised it was not being renewed. 3 games before the end of the season, he was playing golf with a player from another club and he told him about the offer etc and that he was disappointed that he wasn't getting an extension despite playing all bar 7 games that season. Later than evening, he was rung by the manager of the club who his golfing partner played for, and asked him what the offer was from the other club interested and he told them, that manager there and then told him that his club would match that offer but he wanted a decision there and then. He agreed and gave his word he would join that club. He notified his agent, who in turn notified Oxford Utd. Oxford were fine about it, but asked that the new club did not announce since signing UNTIL they announced their retained list, which would say my friend had been released.

That summer he was announced the day after Oxfords retained list on a 3 year deal for a new club. Sadly for him, he broke his ankle pre season, and 6 months later agreed to rip up his contract having not played a single game for the club, and would still be out for another 12 months. He never played again professionally and now teaches PE at a secondary school! 

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1 hour ago, Tom said:

Could have signed a pre-contract agreement from January, really - but players rarely do this as it's most often not in their interest to do this.

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53 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Isn't that only with foreign teams?

Correct, Bryan can only start talking to clubs / sign a pre-contract (without Fulham’s permission) in January if the club is from a different FA.  Bryan cannot officially speak to City until 1st June (final month) as both Fulham and City are English FA clubs.  Unless of course he is granted permission by Fulham.

In practice, the issue of the retained list (3rd Sat in May) is seen the point of it being “fair game” to approach players.

 

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53 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

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Correct, Bryan can only start talking to clubs / sign a pre-contract (without Fulham’s permission) in January if the club is from a different FA.  Bryan cannot officially speak to City until 1st June (final month) as both Fulham and City are English FA clubs.  Unless of course he is granted permission by Fulham.

In practice, the issue of the retained list (3rd Sat in May) is seen the point of it being “fair game” to approach players.

 

Is he on loan at Nice ?

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17 hours ago, Davefevs said:

In fairness, Ed Hadwin name-checked him in the question to Nige, but Nige referred to him also.

I've now watched the interview. Now I could be doing a bit of 2+2=5 but it came across in the way that Nige answered the question that it could have been Joe that approached us.

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3 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I've now watched the interview. Now I could be doing a bit of 2+2=5 but it came across in the way that Nige answered the question that it could have been Joe that approached us.

It’s a bit immaterial really, we can’t chat to Joe w/o Fulham’s permission.  Either Joe asks Fulham if he can talk to us, or we ask Fulham if we can talk to Joe. 
 

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