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56 minutes ago, OldlandReddies said:

Very honest player but definitely not prem class. Struggled to look good in our side. Terrible in front of goal as well which doesn't help. We don't miss him at all. 

I tend to disagree.

He was the best technical player we had, Dasilva not far behind imo.

He's still only 21 and whilst it seemed he hadn't really progressed with us, I think that may be more to do with the style of the Championship than anything else. He's got time to get over his time here.

Going back to France was probably the best thing for him, certainly in the short term as it gave him visibility and maybe a bit of gravitas playing in the French Premier League as he's now playing for the France U21s - that wouldn't have happened with us.

Coming back into the EPL wouldn't surprise me at all.

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1 hour ago, OldlandReddies said:

Very honest player but definitely not prem class. Struggled to look good in our side. Terrible in front of goal as well which doesn't help. We don't miss him at all. 

Played in the right system I think he will do well. Technically gifted, just tried to hard to score a goal and don't forget he's only 21 so dont write him off his best years are probably still to come.

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6 hours ago, OldlandReddies said:

Very honest player but definitely not prem class. Struggled to look good in our side. Terrible in front of goal as well which doesn't help. We don't miss him at all. 

I wonder why Burnley are looking at him then?

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14 minutes ago, KegCity said:

I wonder why Burnley are looking at him then?

To be fair, there's no guarantee Company was there watching Massengo. There are 2 twitter links, one has 6 likes, the other 360 odd and 1 newspaper link (Bristol World so hardly reputable)

Could be journalists putting 2 and 2 and getting 5. Kompany could well have been looking at a PSG player for a potential loan next year (maybe someone like Renato Sanchez)

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14 hours ago, KegCity said:

I wonder why Burnley are looking at him then?

Amazing isn't it? All those scouts, coaches and Managers taking their time to evaluate a player, when all they had to do is ask the opinion of some bloke on the terraces. Still qualifies for an U21 team and yet written off by some on here, there's a long list of those isn't there? You would think some people would learn wouldn't you?

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19 hours ago, bcfc01 said:

I tend to disagree.

He was the best technical player we had, Dasilva not far behind imo.

He's still only 21 and whilst it seemed he hadn't really progressed with us, I think that may be more to do with the style of the Championship than anything else. He's got time to get over his time here.

Going back to France was probably the best thing for him, certainly in the short term as it gave him visibility and maybe a bit of gravitas playing in the French Premier League as he's now playing for the France U21s - that wouldn't have happened with us.

Coming back into the EPL wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Best technical player is Scott. Easily

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10 minutes ago, OldlandReddies said:

A million a year minimum wages is not risk free for someone with his ability.

No risk at just 1.5m compo to us - less than 400k pa amortised for a 4 year contract.

Cheap as chips for a player of his quality.

Kompany seems to like him, I think its likely that he must know a bit more than a bloke off a random internet forum.

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1 minute ago, bcfc01 said:

No risk at just 1.5m compo to us - less than 400k pa amortised for a 4 year contract.

Cheap as chips for a player of his quality.

Kompany seems to like him, I think its likely that he must know a bit more than a bloke off a random internet forum.

Are you calling this a random internet forum! ?

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12 hours ago, OldlandReddies said:

A million a year minimum wages is not risk free for someone with his ability.

For a u21 national for the French team, I would say that is pretty low risk when the potential upside is considered. If he doesn't hit the mark and goes on a few loans they could probably recoup most of the spend.

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That’s him finished at Auxerre. It’s been a good move for him but finishing with relegation on the last day would have disappointed him after they did so well to get out of the bottom 4.

I wonder what the most first team games a midfielder has played before scoring a goal is. It must be getting on his nerves by now. Hope it comes next season……..maybe in the Prem

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38 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said:

So after the great stories about homesickness and culture shocks, he's now going to Burnley .. you couldn't make this up,! 

He’s a professional footballer he’ll go where he can get the best deal financially and playing wise. If Burnley is that place then he’ll go there and get over ‘ homesickness and culture shocks’ , which , correct me if I’m wrong, he has never cited as a reason why he didn’t sign a new contract at City.

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18 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

He’s a professional footballer he’ll go where he can get the best deal financially and playing wise. If Burnley is that place then he’ll go there and get over ‘ homesickness and culture shocks’ , which , correct me if I’m wrong, he has never cited as a reason why he didn’t sign a new contract at City.

No but as others have explained it must have affected his time here, how do you think he will find Burnley culture wise, compared to Monaco?  Come on major be the first to give me a lecture how cosmopolitan Burnley is

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1 hour ago, Oh Louie louie said:

No but as others have explained it must have affected his time here, how do you think he will find Burnley culture wise, compared to Monaco?  Come on major be the first to give me a lecture how cosmopolitan Burnley is

They do like both kinds of music up there.

Country and Western.........................

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1 hour ago, Davefevs said:

”Burnley is a shithole” is an irrelevant argument.

 

Quite.  Footballers rarely live in the town's whose clubs they play for.  In the case of Burnley players they probably live in somewhere posh in the Ribble Valley or Fylde peninsula. Some nightlife-lovers might even live in Manchester. 

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1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Quite.  Footballers rarely live in the town's whose clubs they play for.  In the case of Burnley players they probably live in somewhere posh in the Ribble Valley or Fylde peninsula. Some nightlife-lovers might even live in Manchester. 

Ribble Valley? Do they have a, secondary career as a wedding planner? 

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The career aim for Han-Noah is the highest level of football….if there isn’t a yearning to return home, why wouldn’t he go to Burnley under Kompany.

”Burnley is a shithole” is an irrelevant argument.

Yes. Isn't it funny, there are all these 'shitholes' across the country that people freely travel to only to sing 'I wanna go home' once they've got there. 

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

The career aim for Han-Noah is the highest level of football….if there isn’t a yearning to return home, why wouldn’t he go to Burnley under Kompany.

”Burnley is a shithole” is an irrelevant argument.

Yep, agree Dave. 

We seem to have followed the familiar path on here of having gone from ‘wonder if the move to Bristol….’ to ‘it must have affected….’.

I’m not aware of any evidence that he found the move hard, felt homesick, wished he’d never come etc.

He might regret the fact that he came to a club that fairly quickly descended into turmoil…three managers, all with different ideas and none of them willing or able to play him consistently in a role that suited him.

I know that’s often the case in football, and he may view that as a valuable lesson too, but as you say if he’s given the chance of PL football, under an up and coming manager who’s got a clear vision for him that he can buy into, then he’ll jump at the chance. Whether it’s in London, Burnley or Wolverhampton. 

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On 03/06/2023 at 21:49, ralphindevon said:

That’s him finished at Auxerre. It’s been a good move for him but finishing with relegation on the last day would have disappointed him after they did so well to get out of the bottom 4.

I wonder what the most first team games a midfielder has played before scoring a goal is. It must be getting on his nerves by now. Hope it comes next season……..maybe in the Prem

Oh dear. His confidence wont be good after that. Not good to have a relegation on your CV. He probably needs to stay at somewhere like Auxerre as that's currently his level. Prove himself first before any thoughts of playing higher standard.

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5 minutes ago, OldlandReddies said:

Oh dear. His confidence wont be good after that. Not good to have a relegation on your CV. He probably needs to stay at somewhere like Auxerre as that's currently his level. Prove himself first before any thoughts of playing higher standard.

I don't think we can blame relegation on him. They were 2nd bottom when he arrived and went into the last game 5th from bottom. Any other year and 4th bottom is safe. 

Where he goes will be up to who wants him not just where he wants to go. 

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19 hours ago, italian dave said:

Yep, agree Dave. 

We seem to have followed the familiar path on here of having gone from ‘wonder if the move to Bristol….’ to ‘it must have affected….’.

I’m not aware of any evidence that he found the move hard, felt homesick, wished he’d never come etc.

He might regret the fact that he came to a club that fairly quickly descended into turmoil…three managers, all with different ideas and none of them willing or able to play him consistently in a role that suited him.

I know that’s often the case in football, and he may view that as a valuable lesson too, but as you say if he’s given the chance of PL football, under an up and coming manager who’s got a clear vision for him that he can buy into, then he’ll jump at the chance. Whether it’s in London, Burnley or Wolverhampton. 

Han loved living in Bristol, he did struggle a bit during Covid with little to do and unable to pop home for ages. But all in all he lioved it

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58 minutes ago, ralphindevon said:

I don't think we can blame relegation on him. They were 2nd bottom when he arrived and went into the last game 5th from bottom. Any other year and 4th bottom is safe. 

Where he goes will be up to who wants him not just where he wants to go. 

Also, I haven’t followed it week by week, but didn’t they have their poorest spell (when they got back into trouble) during a period when he didn’t play (injury, suspension?)??

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3 hours ago, italian dave said:

Also, I haven’t followed it week by week, but didn’t they have their poorest spell (when they got back into trouble) during a period when he didn’t play (injury, suspension?)??

Yes he was injured and they drew a few too many. 

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12 hours ago, Oh Louie louie said:

If not some debate some more analogys, these are great, they sound even better now, after the current quote speculation, anybody got any storys about living in Burnley?

You don't have to live in the city you work in........

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HNM on Instagram:

'After more than 3 years in England, the opportunity arose for me to return to France and the 1st league with AJA. My teammates and I had a clear mission to maintain. We gave ourselves the means to keep the hope of reaching our goal until the last day. And although it ended in failure, I am proud of the efforts made by the team and everyone involved in the club. I especially want to thank you, supporters, for your love and support.

My Auxerre adventure was short-lived, but I took great pleasure in playing Abbé-Deschamps and defending the colors of AJA.
I will cherish the moments and emotions that we were able to share you and me. Wish you all the best.'

 

I still feel there's a place for him in the team.

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3 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Yep, especially in the way it’s evolving.  Such a shame.

Sadly that ship has sailed. I never doubted his talent and I reckon things might have worked out if he had just joined us for the reason you give. Right player, wrong time.

I hope he thrives wherever he goes next.

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14 minutes ago, chinapig said:

Sadly that ship has sailed. I never doubted his talent and I reckon things might have worked out if he had just joined us for the reason you give. Right player, wrong time.

I hope he thrives wherever he goes next.

Im not sure, it was all very exciting signing a wonderkid from a famous club, but he had no love for us and it was a matter of winding his contract down to wait for something better to come along.. as a kante type player his work rate might allow him to do that role, but as a box to box midfielder he clearly contributed very little in terms of goals and assists, and then scott came along who is clearly far superior. Good luck to him, but hes one of the last of the mark ashton signings who we will have to give away and almost certainly will be at another loss?

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2 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Im not sure, it was all very exciting signing a wonderkid from a famous club, but he had no love for us and it was a matter of winding his contract down to wait for something better to come along.. as a kante type player his work rate might allow him to do that role, but as a box to box midfielder he clearly contributed very little in terms of goals and assists, and then scott came along who is clearly far superior. Good luck to him, but hes one of the last of the mark ashton signings who we will have to give away and almost certainly will be at another loss?

In a true central 3 I could see him fitting better than prior when NP wasn't confident in the 4-3-3, or when Holden and Johnson didn't 

However the ship has sailed unfortunately. No goals granted but his game wasn't really about that, assists yeah perhaps should have had more od these but to play in a 2 or a 3 with an unnatural 3rd player ie Palmer or whoever, can leave the 2nd true CM exposed and or unbalance the team a bit given the energy of Massengo. Way it is evolving now would have suited a number of the 2019 intake IMO. 

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8 hours ago, Simon bristol said:

Im not sure, it was all very exciting signing a wonderkid from a famous club, but he had no love for us and it was a matter of winding his contract down to wait for something better to come along.. as a kante type player his work rate might allow him to do that role, but as a box to box midfielder he clearly contributed very little in terms of goals and assists, and then scott came along who is clearly far superior. Good luck to him, but hes one of the last of the mark ashton signings who we will have to give away and almost certainly will be at another loss?

Saying he had no love for us is a bit harsh.

 He absolutely adored Bristol, he had and still does have a good relationship with Nige, he had and still does have a great relationship with a number of the players. He always gave 100% for us.

He signed a deal for 4 years and in the first 3 years at no point did he want to leave, in fact he was asked if he wanted to go on loan to another club during Holden’s reign but chose to stay and fight for his place, which he got when Nige arrived.

He was only open to a move before his contract was up once Nige had made it clear, quite rightly, that he wouldn’t feature in his plans if he wasn’t staying beyond his contract.

He felt 4 years was a good length of time at a club and wants a new challenge and I must say if I was lucky enough to be a professional footballer I think I’d be the same. Try new things, freshen things up, a new challenge. It doesn’t mean to say I’d have no love for the clubs I’d served. 

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On 06/06/2023 at 09:11, italian dave said:

Now there’s an idea……

Make players live in the place they play for! Prove they really do love the club whose badge they kiss!!

Wonder what the league would look like then?

Did you see Declan Rice kissing  badgeon  his shirt last night saying he loves the club turned down 200 grand a week eighteen months ago  what a load of bull shit by todays greedy players .

2 minutes ago, Cityboy1954 said:

badge on his shirt last night saying he loves thd club turned down 200 grand a week eighteen months ago  what a load of bull shit by todays greedy players .

 

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13 minutes ago, George Rs said:

Such a shame imo, can just see him slipping into low-mid table french league obscurity. Would have loved it to work out for him here.

Well, his move to Auxerre got him back in the French age group set up.

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3 hours ago, Cityboy1954 said:

Did you see Declan Rice kissing  badgeon  his shirt last night saying he loves the club turned down 200 grand a week eighteen months ago  what a load of bull shit by todays greedy players .

 

What?

He came through their youth team is their captain, but are west ham going to play in the champions league or challenge for a title? 

Some players believe it or not, want to test themselves in a different environment and actually want to win things ie the prem and the champions league

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3 hours ago, Cityboy1954 said:

Did you see Declan Rice kissing  badgeon  his shirt last night saying he loves the club turned down 200 grand a week eighteen months ago  what a load of bull shit by todays greedy players .

 

I've been a bit confused by this all day after hearing the original interview, surely he's done West Ham a massive favour by not taking that offer yet still stayed with them? 

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It was up to him to prove himself and unfortunately he let himself down , if he stays his attitude must change as with all our players, Luton showed these players it’s about sticking in attitude means a lot , players get one chance in football and if they don’t achieve ? every 90 mins , and let’s get it straight they got best pitches , training facilities, coaches , physios , these players today don’t know their born LUTON showed if you want it you galvanise and dig deep and get it , so back to player if he don’t want be Bristol City then **** off 

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12 hours ago, Monkeh said:

What?

He came through their youth team is their captain, but are west ham going to play in the champions league or challenge for a title? 

Some players believe it or not, want to test themselves in a different environment and actually want to win things ie the prem and the champions league

You couldave asked the same question to Man city years ago who knows whats round the corner ?

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29 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Romano is pretty much always correct. Burnley, Freiburg and Monaco looking at him…maybe he is good after all!

Course he's a good player, he's 21 but already played 100 games in the Championship and half a season in Ligue 1.

Yet his mind has been elsewhere for a long while. Shame but we move on!

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On 08/06/2023 at 18:41, Cityboy1954 said:

Did you see Declan Rice kissing  badgeon  his shirt last night saying he loves the club turned down 200 grand a week eighteen months ago  what a load of bull shit by todays greedy players .

 

Most Players are anymore greedy today than they were 60 years ago, they get paid the going rate! 

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On 08/06/2023 at 21:52, Monkeh said:

What?

He came through their youth team is their captain, but are west ham going to play in the champions league or challenge for a title? 

Some players believe it or not, want to test themselves in a different environment and actually want to win things ie the prem and the champions league

Well that latest cup win by the Hammers not a bad start was it 

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I don’t think anyone disputes he’s a good player, but worthy of even more money than he’s on now? Absolutely not. 
 

Id argue we haven’t missed him one bit since he’s been out the squad or disregarded tbh. Can’t really think of any games where I thought ‘would love to have HNM to bring on now’

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On 06/06/2023 at 09:11, italian dave said:

Now there’s an idea……

Make players live in the place they play for! Prove they really do love the club whose badge they kiss!!

Wonder what the league would look like then?

Some villages In Cheshire would be in the Champions League.

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