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Just now, Percy Pig said:

Because they've been charged with over 100 breaches of financial rules. 

That's not spending to win, that's cheating. 

They've made the top division significantly worse. Without Liverpool for 4 years and Arsenal this it would be a farmers league like Ligue 1

But have they not pushed Liverpool & Arsenal to be better? That would be the reason it’s not a farmers league!

If the same rules applied years ago, do you not think Man Utd would of got done for financial rules? The money they spent on Roy Keane was pretty obscene! They have made English football stronger, it’s a fact.

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Mr Popodopolous

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3 minutes ago, Percy Pig said:

Them, PSG, Newcastle and a few others are absolutely terrible for football. I hope they all crash and burn into oblivion. 

The ones I don't get are PSG.

Check their accounts last few years yet a fine and Business Plan only. A second offence too.

I have sympathy with this point but Newcastle to date seem to be complying with FFP- some of the ownership of top clubs across top divisions leaves a fair bit to be desired.

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11 minutes ago, David Brent said:

Well done Man City but It’s definitely not the fairytale that BT Sport will have you believe.

The real fairytale is Sheikh Mansour's luck! In only the second Man City game he has ever attended since buying them all those years ago - they won the Champions League! Incredible luck, just incredible.

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Fair play to Man City (can't say City as there's only one) it pains me to say they are the best team in Europe probably the world at the moment. Anyone who says different is jealous.

Not he best game or performance but they tore Real Madrid apart in the semi and ground it out tonight.

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It’s nice to see how many people are happy for them but this isn’t the beautiful story some are telling. 115 financial breaches - the repercussions would kill off a ‘non-elite’ club.

If I'm honest watching it I keep thinking money something feels wrong about it. 

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3 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

It’s nice to see how many people are happy for them but this isn’t the beautiful story some are telling. 115 financial breaches - the repercussions would kill off a ‘non-elite’ club.

Yeah it's certainly no Fairy Tale.

I mean I take my hat off- as well as the finances they are very well run, impeccably so- Pep is a top class coach, a productive academy certainly profitable on player sales but there is a large asterix too.

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Pleased for Man City fans, before the money come in they’d always have been considered a great fan base. Nothing more boring than the mocking of their support for lacking numbers, which isn’t true anyway.

Always seemed a good bunch whenever I’ve come across them on holiday etc. They’d almost always talk more about their days when they were shite than they will modern times. Will be a great night for them tonight. 

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25 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

It’s nice to see how many people are happy for them but this isn’t the beautiful story some are telling. 115 financial breaches - the repercussions would kill off a ‘non-elite’ club.

I think people might be pleased for the fans (long term ones ) and their team on the pitch but yes there will be that nagging feeling is it all fair ?

But then if it wasn’t  Man City  be someone else 

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8 minutes ago, Betty Swallocks said:

Pleased for Man City fans, before the money come in they’d always have been considered a great fan base. Nothing more boring than the mocking of their support for lacking numbers, which isn’t true anyway.

Always seemed a good bunch whenever I’ve come across them on holiday etc. They’d almost always talk more about their days when they were shite than they will modern times. Will be a great night for them tonight. 

Yup, that's my experience of them as well - pleased for them.

Would also say that Man City and Pep always respect their opposition and the competition they're in. We've played then three times and each time they've put out a strong side and been completely professional.

 

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3 minutes ago, Markthehorn said:

I think people might be pleased for the fans (long term ones ) and their team on the pitch but yes there will be that nagging feeling is it all fair ?

But then if it wasn’t  Man City  be someone else 

Yes somewhat conflicted on it. Great players, great team- Pep clearly a top top coach, some beautiful football and obviously very well run, academy and all.

115 charges however was it. That is quite the question even if a lot of them were perhaps on the way up rather than the present.

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2 minutes ago, Open End Numb Legs said:

For me I lost any sympathy for Inter during the game because of their injury fakes. I can't watch that, we saw similar in the World Cup from some players.

They need to tap into the spirit of this guy:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-65865904

 

Di Marco was the worst. Minimum of two 'falls'. Didn't think they were too bad with it however overall. Compare it to Roma v Sevilla e.g.

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W-S-M Seagull

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46 minutes ago, BCFCGav said:

It’s nice to see how many people are happy for them but this isn’t the beautiful story some are telling. 115 financial breaches - the repercussions would kill off a ‘non-elite’ club.

They've not been found guilty of those charges. 

Chelsea have proven that throwing money around doesn't guarantee success. What Man City have done in a footballing sense is truly incredible.

Man City don't even throw money around either so it can't be argued that they brought the league. Haaland - 50 million, Akanji - 30 million, Alverez - 15 million etc etc etc. 

What superstars have Man City brought? 

The elite just hate it that a real working class club (with some financial backing) have scaled to the very top of world football and are now immortal. 

Just let the proper Man City fans enjoy their success. We'd all be in dreamland too if it happened to our club.

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Well done Man City, good for an English Club to win again just a pity about the ownership/finance issues that sours it somewhat for me.

Thought Stones was a MoM candidate. Pep has transformed him from a liability into a more than capable performer on one of the World’s biggest football stages. That shows why he’s the world’s best manager. 

Thought Haaland was pretty anonymous though. Begin to wonder if top European defences might have sussed how to contain him. Also thought the Man City fans seemed pretty quiet for most of the night.

Will be interesting to see what penalties will be imposed on any breaches they’re found guilty on. 

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16 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

They've not been found guilty of those charges. 

Chelsea have proven that throwing money around doesn't guarantee success. What Man City have done in a footballing sense is truly incredible.

Man City don't even throw money around either so it can't be argued that they brought the league. Haaland - 50 million, Akanji - 30 million, Alverez - 15 million etc etc etc. 

What superstars have Man City brought? 

The elite just hate it that a real working class club (with some financial backing) have scaled to the very top of world football and are now immortal. 

Just let the proper Man City fans enjoy their success. We'd all be in dreamland too if it happened to our club.

Part of me does agree. Lot of long suffering fans, tended to be well supported even when in the doldrums etc- prior to 2008 surely the working class side of Manchester too.

Otoh the early days they posted some record losses. I know a business strategy etc can eat major losses to turn it into a profitable enterprise medium to long run but some big losses and fees thrown around certainly. Think they spent rather a lot in 2017-18 without doubt although that said PSG are undoubtedly worse.

Innocent until proven guilty but until verifiably proven innocent then that question will linger.

Ortega Free (Yes I know backup only), Alvarez and to some extent Akanji strong pickups pound for pound. Haaland well there was a huge signing on or agents fee tbh.

Yes fans have suffered a lot, but otoh the reaction if some of them to UEFA charges and now, petulant and arrogant in the extreme. Ludicrous claims about cabal etc.

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15 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

They've not been found guilty of those charges. 

Chelsea have proven that throwing money around doesn't guarantee success. What Man City have done in a footballing sense is truly incredible.

Man City don't even throw money around either so it can't be argued that they brought the league. Haaland - 50 million, Akanji - 30 million, Alverez - 15 million etc etc etc. 

What superstars have Man City brought? 

The elite just hate it that a real working class club (with some financial backing) have scaled to the very top of world football and are now immortal. 

Just let the proper Man City fans enjoy their success. We'd all be in dreamland too if it happened to our club.

I dunno man. When 115 charges are brought to your door something is clearly amiss! Factor in too it’s not all transfer fee. The Haaland deal for instance will come to a grand total of 160 million should he serve all 5 years. And he’s one of a few superstars they’ve bought. Ederson, Laporte, Dias… they may not have come from Europes elite clubs but their ability was well known and they weren’t cheap.

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22 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

They've not been found guilty of those charges. 

Chelsea have proven that throwing money around doesn't guarantee success. What Man City have done in a footballing sense is truly incredible.

Man City don't even throw money around either so it can't be argued that they brought the league. Haaland - 50 million, Akanji - 30 million, Alverez - 15 million etc etc etc. 

What superstars have Man City brought? 

The elite just hate it that a real working class club (with some financial backing) have scaled to the very top of world football and are now immortal. 

Just let the proper Man City fans enjoy their success. We'd all be in dreamland too if it happened to our club.

Don’t just look at the transfer fee mate,Haaland will earn quad what his transfer fee was at least through wages in a season 

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13 minutes ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

They've not been found guilty of those charges. 

Chelsea have proven that throwing money around doesn't guarantee success. What Man City have done in a footballing sense is truly incredible.

Man City don't even throw money around either so it can't be argued that they brought the league. Haaland - 50 million, Akanji - 30 million, Alverez - 15 million etc etc etc. 

What superstars have Man City brought? 

The elite just hate it that a real working class club (with some financial backing) have scaled to the very top of world football and are now immortal. 

Just let the proper Man City fans enjoy their success. We'd all be in dreamland too if it happened to our club.

I lean towards this side of the argument on the financial stuff. The FFP rules were put in place primarily to prevent newcomers from spending their way to the top. The rules are arbitrary and weren't even a thing 10-15 years ago so I don't take them too seriously. There is no asterix against their successes for me.

I haven't seen them play that poorly for a while and was more impressed with Inter on the night. Of course only the result matters so fair play to them and their supporters.

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Wages aren't usually included in the remuneration package however the fee plus agent or signing on fee seems quite fair to amortise.

Will restate my csse, 2008-2014, 2008-2015 very very suspect, 2015-present probably compliant certainly with PL regs. (£105m plus allowables in each 3 year period). Basically gap between possibly Inflated and real sponsorship still probably sees them comply with this rule.

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6 minutes ago, Baba Yaga said:

I lean towards this side of the argument on the financial stuff. The FFP rules were put in place primarily to prevent newcomers from spending their way to the top. The rules are arbitrary and weren't even a thing 10-15 years ago so I don't take them too seriously. There is no asterix against their successes for me.

I haven't seen them play that poorly for a while and was more impressed with Inter on the night. Of course only the result matters so fair play to them and their supporters.

Perfectly valid regulatory position although without FFP- and it is in some ways an artificial construct- what kind if squads could PSG and Man City hold and maintain.

Could e.g. Man City still have Zinchenko, Sterling, Jesus in addition. Depth insane.

PSG still retain last year Navas- depth again, Herrera, Wijnaldum, Gueye, Paredes, Di Maria, Icardi- post January Sarabia. Others too.

The numbers both could then rest for the League, to rotate with Team 1 and Team B.

What would the risk then be of Abu Dhabi v Qatar finals every year.

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1 hour ago, Percy Pig said:

Because they've been charged with over 100 breaches of financial rules. 

That's not spending to win, that's cheating. 

They've made the top division significantly worse. Without Liverpool for 4 years and Arsenal this it would be a farmers league like Ligue 1

Yeah lets bring Manu back to the top of the table with their small amount of money.

Hang on  thry might do it with some overseas investment. Can't wait.

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32 minutes ago, stephenkibby. said:

Yeah lets bring Manu back to the top of the table with their small amount of money.

Hang on  thry might do it with some overseas investment. Can't wait.

Which one? Sheikh Jassim is Qatari and I assume has access to said resources. Unless you mean Ratcliffe.

Man United are heavily loss making in recent years ironically, FFP?

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21 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Perfectly valid regulatory position although without FFP- and it is in some ways an artificial construct- what kind if squads could PSG and Man City hold and maintain.

Could e.g. Man City still have Zinchenko, Sterling, Jesus in addition. Depth insane.

PSG still retain last year Navas- depth again, Herrera, Wijnaldum, Gueye, Paredes, Di Maria, Icardi- post January Sarabia. Others too.

The numbers both could then rest for the League, to rotate with Team 1 and Team B.

What would the risk then be of Abu Dhabi v Qatar finals every year.

The situation you describe would definitely be bad for the game but I think the rules on squad numbers would prevent that to some degree. Clearly you need some rules to keep things competitive but I don't feel the ones in place on allowable losses etc are done with the best interest of the sport in mind, I think they were primarily for the big clubs to have barriers to entry for clubs like Man City, due to the timing of when they were brought in.

I remember when City had wages to turnover of 130% or something like that when Gary Johnson was manager but it wasn't a thing back then and nobody made the argument that we were cheating.

To be honest a lot of finals especially in England are billionaire A vs billionaire B these days.

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I nearly switched off before kick off . WTF has happened to football ?  The , frankly , over the top staged performance and pyrotechnics add nothing to the game. It’s becoming like the Super Bowl.  
The match was rubbish with only Rodri’s inch perfect shot to light up up a dull  spectacle of powder puff cheating tarts rolling around on the ground as if they’d been in the ring with Hulk Hogan. 
I hoped to see the amazing skills of Grealish, Haaland, Rodri etc but only Ederson, Silva,Ake and Stone stood out. 
A big disappointment as a match but a great day for money. 

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2 hours ago, Garland-sweden said:

Congrats Manchester City ! More then well done. Best team in the world.

Fair play to Inter, they gave them one hell of a game and didn’t give them any time on the ball 

I thought MC would roll them over fairly easily but they were a tough nut to crack

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11 hours ago, BCFCGav said:

It’s nice to see how many people are happy for them but this isn’t the beautiful story some are telling. 115 financial breaches - the repercussions would kill off a ‘non-elite’ club.

I agree with your sentiment but they are not the only ones. Everybody loves Barcelona but their financial affairs are far from pure same for Chelsea, Newcastle and PSG to name a few. Money has ruined the football dream that a club like us could win the premier league and compete in the UCL without state or foreign investment. 

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2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

I nearly switched off before kick off . WTF has happened to football ?  The , frankly , over the top staged performance and pyrotechnics add nothing to the game. It’s becoming like the Super Bowl.  
The match was rubbish with only Rodri’s inch perfect shot to light up up a dull  spectacle of powder puff cheating tarts rolling around on the ground as if they’d been in the ring with Hulk Hogan. 
I hoped to see the amazing skills of Grealish, Haaland, Rodri etc but only Ederson, Silva,Ake and Stone stood out. 
A big disappointment as a match but a great day for money. 

I actually enjoyed the game. Yes it wasn't exactly free flowing football but it was a real test for MC. I agree though with the pre match stuff.

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2 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

I nearly switched off before kick off . WTF has happened to football ?  The , frankly , over the top staged performance and pyrotechnics add nothing to the game. It’s becoming like the Super Bowl.  
The match was rubbish with only Rodri’s inch perfect shot to light up up a dull  spectacle of powder puff cheating tarts rolling around on the ground as if they’d been in the ring with Hulk Hogan. 
I hoped to see the amazing skills of Grealish, Haaland, Rodri etc but only Ederson, Silva,Ake and Stone stood out. 
A big disappointment as a match but a great day for money. 

You’re right about pre-match.

The fact you didn’t get to see what you wanted is credit to Inter. I didn’t see any difference between the behaviour of both sets of players.

I thought it was an enjoyable watch.

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3 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

It’s becoming like the Super Bowl.

Quite agree, Major. Clearly the model for world-class (read: broadcast all over the world, kerching!) events, UEFA has cottoned on to this aspect. I have no complaints when it is done well, but I fear the show overshadowing the actual game. In America it is par for the course.

Speaking of which, the CL Final was not as bad as the Conference Final with West Ham earlier - that really was a Dark Arts Special.  At least the CLF was fairly open and a gritty battle of different philosophies - as befits a Guardiola/Inzaghi confrontation - but there was certainly a underlying current of unpleasantness. As is mentioned, the 'skill' players were edged out by the 'ugly side of the game' types. Sometimes it happens.

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And another thing, what's with the reinvention of Manchester City as 'City'  I have heard two Bristolians call Man City ,'City' in the past week, I was genuinely confused when the first asked me if I was going to watch the City game in the pub. I'll allow Mancunians to refer to their teams as City and United, but if you ain't from there, and especially if you're from Bristol, you can **** right off!

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25 minutes ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Jesus, how hyped up were those commentators and pundits and what was all that bollocks before hand?

Turn the sound systems down, let the fans sing and let the players play.

Turned the TV on at 7.45, to watch the build up, thought exactly that and switched it off again until 7.59. 

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13 hours ago, Baba Yaga said:

The situation you describe would definitely be bad for the game but I think the rules on squad numbers would prevent that to some degree. Clearly you need some rules to keep things competitive but I don't feel the ones in place on allowable losses etc are done with the best interest of the sport in mind, I think they were primarily for the big clubs to have barriers to entry for clubs like Man City, due to the timing of when they were brought in.

I remember when City had wages to turnover of 130% or something like that when Gary Johnson was manager but it wasn't a thing back then and nobody made the argument that we were cheating.

To be honest a lot of finals especially in England are billionaire A vs billionaire B these days.

Tbh from a financial perspective, thought about it before and I'm sure a cash break even rule would be best in terms of stability. The question is as always how do you combine stability and solvency with competitive balance. Squad number would definitely help that's true.

Rules weren't in place then but do see your point for sure, fundamentally is spending more on wages than legitimate income cheating? Whole different thread tbh, quite what the perfect answer is who knows.

Yes it seems that way. Trying to think of some examples of it not bring the case- JPT maybe? Beyond that...billionaires, private equity, big money companies or state input the higher you go, here and across Europe to varying degrees.

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7 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

I nearly switched off before kick off . WTF has happened to football ?  The , frankly , over the top staged performance and pyrotechnics add nothing to the game. It’s becoming like the Super Bowl.  
The match was rubbish with only Rodri’s inch perfect shot to light up up a dull  spectacle of powder puff cheating tarts rolling around on the ground as if they’d been in the ring with Hulk Hogan. 
I hoped to see the amazing skills of Grealish, Haaland, Rodri etc but only Ederson, Silva,Ake and Stone stood out. 
A big disappointment as a match but a great day for money. 

See your point on one level, game itself but two teams on the pitch.

On that note, I must say yes we know Man City can blow anyone away but the way Inter were spoken of by the English media or a lot of it in the build-up as some sideshow, easy etc etc- well it was far from easy or a walkover. Bale tipped Man City to win 5-0 e.g. but in a final and vs a side very well coached, with 5 or 6 talented individuals that felt presumptuous.

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47 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

See your point on one level, game itself but two trams on the pitch.

On that note, I must say yes we know Man City can blow anyone away but the way Inter were spoken of by the English media or a lot of it in the build-up as some sideshow, easy etc etc- well it was far from easy or a walkover. Bale tipped Man City to win 5-0 e.g. but in a final and vs a side very well coached, with 5 or 6 talented individuals that felt presumptuous.

No wonder the game didn't get going - all a bit too crowded out there on the pitch.....

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7 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

I nearly switched off before kick off . WTF has happened to football ?  The , frankly , over the top staged performance and pyrotechnics add nothing to the game. It’s becoming like the Super Bowl.  
The match was rubbish with only Rodri’s inch perfect shot to light up up a dull  spectacle of powder puff cheating tarts rolling around on the ground as if they’d been in the ring with Hulk Hogan. 
I hoped to see the amazing skills of Grealish, Haaland, Rodri etc but only Ederson, Silva,Ake and Stone stood out. 
A big disappointment as a match but a great day for money. 

100% agree . Over hyped and totally commercial with the actual game itself being almost secondary . Man City have won the treble and I’m sure Man City fans will be pretty chuffed for a few days until their joy is eroded by the fact that they totally expected to win it anyway . Personally I watch football for the joy and disbelief that Hammers fans experienced last week . Not the box ticking excercise completed by Man City fans yesterday ! 

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I didn't even see the build up. Sounds like I didn't miss much in that respect.

Like you I missed it , but heard it on the radio. The Kick Off show has been sponsored by 'Big Cola' for several years, hence the completely OTT US sh1t show that took place.

We're just lucky that they haven't invented a Half Time show like the Superball yet.

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2 hours ago, Miah Dennehy said:

Jesus, how hyped up were those commentators and pundits and what was all that bollocks before hand?

Turn the sound systems down, let the fans sing and let the players play.

Must admit I couldn’t quite understand the    ridiculous praise given to Edison for his match winning miracle save ! ( Not the one that actually was a match winning miracle save . It was the one that bounced up off his knee that he knew xxxx all about !!) 

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17 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

They've not been found guilty of those charges. 

Chelsea have proven that throwing money around doesn't guarantee success. What Man City have done in a footballing sense is truly incredible.

Man City don't even throw money around either so it can't be argued that they brought the league. Haaland - 50 million, Akanji - 30 million, Alverez - 15 million etc etc etc. 

What superstars have Man City brought? 

The elite just hate it that a real working class club (with some financial backing) have scaled to the very top of world football and are now immortal. 

Just let the proper Man City fans enjoy their success. We'd all be in dreamland too if it happened to our club.

If you think that Chelsea have not been successful over the years

would love to know what a club has to win to have success in your eyes

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