Kalas - Signed for Schalke04

[Engvall’s Splinter]

2 hours ago, Shuffle said:

We have two recognised fit CBs & one of those is now suspended.  You  could move people but it’s ridiculous at this level to not have cover other than academy players. When fit Kalas was our best defender so for 12 months at reduced wages then I’d welcome him back. 

Concern with Kalas is that he won’t be match fit. He’s had a limited preseason I would assume, which with his injury record could spell further problems. Likely to pick up niggles if rushed back. 

[Better Red]

15 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

Tanner bombing on?

No chance

McCorie when ever he gets fit

[chinapig]

1 hour ago, Better Red said:

Would allow the full backs to bomb on something I have not seen yet.

Despite the fact that Nigel has made it clear that that's what he wants they seem unwilling or unable to do it.

He was critical of them after the Preston game and hinted at the same yesterday. Who'd be a football manager?

[Shauntaylor85]

Just now, chinapig said:

Despite the fact that Nigel has made it clear that that's what he wants they seem unwilling or unable to do it.

He was critical of them after the Preston game and hinted at the same yesterday. Who'd be a football manager?

Pring and Tanner have been so poor so far. Pring is a quality player but something is missing. Roberts deserves to start. I’d go with Sykes over Tanner or even a return to 3.5.2. 

[chinapig]

21 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Pring and Tanner have been so poor so far. Pring is a quality player but something is missing. Roberts deserves to start. I’d go with Sykes over Tanner or even a return to 3.5.2. 

The loss of McCrorie is a blow as I'm convinced he would be starting. He's a powerful runner who likes to get forward but there is no sign he is going to be available any time soon. Typical of our luck.

[Shuffle]

1 hour ago, Engvall’s Splinter said:

Concern with Kalas is that he won’t be match fit. He’s had a limited preseason I would assume, which with his injury record could spell further problems. Likely to pick up niggles if rushed back. 

If he comes back then you have to get through next 2 league games then look at playing after international break which is 16 September 

[Taylor10]

13 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I take it this was the story?

from our old friend - Robins Hub

Very surprised to hear he’s ‘resigned’

i thought his contract ran out

[Clevedon Red]

13 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I take it this was the story?

from our old friend - Robins Hub

Roy De Aliens alter ego?

[pongo88]

Pragmatism. Say no more

[Fuber]

2 hours ago, Better Red said:

If he would sign a 1 year contract it’s a no brainer.

No fee, no loan fee and reduced wages sounds perfect.

And we all know as long as stays fit would be a starter. 
 

Kalas and Dickie would be a pretty strong and experienced back 2.

Would allow the full backs to bomb on something I have not seen yet.

Not really Tanners game.

Think we're desperate for McCrorie to get fit.

[Sir Geoff]

We haven't been good enough with Kala's in the squad over the past few years. Why would it suddenly be different now, if he re signs ?

A step backwards imo.

[Better Red]

3 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Pring and Tanner have been so poor so far. Pring is a quality player but something is missing. Roberts deserves to start. I’d go with Sykes over Tanner or even a return to 3.5.2. 

Roberts barley got over the half way line when he came in and we were chasing the game.

No better or worse than Pring

[bcfc01]

Not that I believe he's signed/going to sign, but I'd be really glad to see a bit of quality injected into the squad.

Him and Dickie would be ideal imo.

[headhunter]

6 hours ago, Better Red said:

If he would sign a 1 year contract it’s a no brainer.

No fee, no loan fee and reduced wages sounds perfect.

And we all know as long as stays fit would be a starter. 
 

Kalas and Dickie would be a pretty strong and experienced back 2.

Would allow the full backs to bomb on something I have not seen yet.

No place for Vyner then or are you assuming he's off before the window shuts?

[Better Red]

6 minutes ago, headhunter said:

No place for Vyner then or are you assuming he's off before the window shuts?

No. Although not signed a contract.

3 decent CB’s at this level.

Maybe even go 3 at the back with Wingbacks - Mcorie and Pring/Roberts.

Also Vyner could play RB feel he would be better than Tanner.

[daored]

59 minutes ago, headhunter said:

No place for Vyner then or are you assuming he's off before the window shuts?

 

49 minutes ago, Better Red said:

No. Although not signed a contract.

3 decent CB’s at this level.

Maybe even go 3 at the back with Wingbacks - Mcorie and Pring/Roberts.

Also Vyner could play RB feel he would be better than Tanner.

Use the wage offered to Kalas to Vyner 

[headhunter]

10 minutes ago, daored said:

 

Use the wage offered to Kalas to Vyner 

That's probably less than what he's been offered.

[daored]

10 minutes ago, headhunter said:

That's probably less than what he's been offered.

You think ?

[scrumpy88]

Not sure why the doubts. 
 

If he’s 100% fit it’s a no brainer. He’s twice the player Dickie is who turns like he’s towing a caravan 

Vyner and a fit Kalas is a solid partnership 

[Supersonic Robin]

3 minutes ago, scrumpy88 said:

Not sure why the doubts. 
 

If he’s 100% fit it’s a no brainer. He’s twice the player Dickie is who turns like he’s towing a caravan 

Vyner and a fit Kalas is a solid partnership 

Personally think Dickie has looked excellent since coming in.

[marmite]

2 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Personally think Dickie has looked excellent since coming in.

Agree but Kalas resigning would be good imo .

[Merrick's Marvels]

3 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Personally think Dickie has looked excellent since coming in.

He has. But he also has the turning speed as described. 

[Better Red]

59 minutes ago, daored said:

 

Use the wage offered to Kalas to Vyner 

Get them both signed up

[Dredd]

Kalas can also cover right back which might be playing into it now we only have Tanner 

[Mr Hankey]

7 minutes ago, Dredd said:

Kalas can also cover right back which might be playing into it now we only have Tanner 

I honestly can’t recall a single game of his in a City shirt at right back.

[95red]

Hopefully  yes he signs  be useful  when one season wonder vyner buggers off .

[BCFC Rich]

41 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Personally think Dickie has looked excellent since coming in.

Yes, but you are forgetting that we lost yesterday - therefore he is actually terrible and has no chance of ever making at this level. 

[Loosey Boy]

Kalas has had months to sign. Whilst I accept that players have the right to see what else is available, I think it says a lot that we are nearly at the end of August and he still hasn’t signed.

Personally, I think that this ship has sailed and we should be looking elsewhere……not a signing I would make now..

[ScottishRed]

I think a 12month deal works for everybody

[scrumpy88]

33 minutes ago, BCFC Rich said:

Yes, but you are forgetting that we lost yesterday - therefore he is actually terrible and has no chance of ever making at this level. 

Did I say he has been bad? He’s been ok nothing spectacular. 
 

out of the 2 if both 100% fit Kalas is by far the better player. therefore I’m quite happy if he re-signs 

all about opinions 

[Davefevs]

24 minutes ago, scrumpy88 said:

Did I say he has been bad? He’s been ok nothing spectacular. 
 

out of the 2 if both 100% fit Kalas is by far the better player. therefore I’m quite happy if he re-signs 

all about opinions 

This is why I just sat in the fence.  I can’t decide whether his quality vs injury risk is worth it.  It was 50:50 in the summer, it’s not anymore, more 30 (signing):70(not signing)

I get the quality of Kalas, undoubted imho.  But if you want him back, you have to also go all-in on accepting he might get injured , end up being wasted wage.  If you’re happy to do that and then not moan if we get left short, then that’s cool.

If you’re going to go “I told you he might get injured” then you can’t say “I’m quite happy he re-signs”.

It sounds like you’re happy to risk circa £500k for a year of Kalas….yes?

[mozo]

43 minutes ago, scrumpy88 said:

out of the 2 if both 100% fit Kalas is by far the better player. therefore I’m quite happy if he re-signs 

all about opinions 

I just can't imagine us getting a 100% fit Kalas. 

[bcfc01]

1 hour ago, scrumpy88 said:

Did I say he has been bad? He’s been ok nothing spectacular. 
 

out of the 2 if both 100% fit Kalas is by far the better player. therefore I’m quite happy if he re-signs 

all about opinions 

I'd have a fit Kalas back 100%.

Him and Dickie would be a good quality CB pairing imo.

Vyner and Atkinson as the B team isn't too shabby either.

[Gratz260689]

Surely there is players out there available for loan from the prem that can cover RB and CB and don’t have a injury record as bad as kalas

[trickytimes]

46 minutes ago, Gratz260689 said:

Surely there is players out there available for loan from the prem that can cover RB and CB and don’t have a injury record as bad as kalas

There may well be prem players out there, but they will cost a lot more than the amount that we have offered Kalas to sign a new contract.

[Major Isewater]

16 hours ago, Better Red said:

Roberts barley got over the half way line when he came in and we were chasing the game.

No better or worse than Pring

It does grow quickly. 
 

[MrRedRobin]

If we had everyone fit (Which will probably never happen!) I would have a CB partnership of Kalas and Atkinson and Vyner and Dickie as backups.

[Selred]

2 hours ago, Gratz260689 said:

don’t have a injury record as bad as kalas

He has only had last season where he was out a lot, season before he played 35 games and 40 prior to that.

[Fontaineofallknowledge]

If he does sign I think it's a good move as it will clearly be on peanuts. Clearly the concern is availability (which is presumably why he hasn't found another club) but we would be getting experienced back-up at a good price 

[chalkeyred]

By the time he was signed, and match fit, we'd only need him for 7 months.....

[headhunter]

13 hours ago, Mr Hankey said:

I honestly can’t recall a single game of his in a City shirt at right back.

Not for us but when he was promoted whilst on loan at Boro & Fulham I think he played most of his games in that position.

I seem to remember at the time of his signing he stipulated a preference for playing in the centre. 

[Nogbad the Bad]

15 minutes ago, Selred said:

He has only had last season where he was out a lot, season before he played 35 games and 40 prior to that.

19/20, his first season after signing permanently, just 23 league appearances.

[Riaz]

One tweet.

It aint happening IMO

[Sir Geoff]

1 hour ago, headhunter said:

Not for us but when he was promoted whilst on loan at Boro & Fulham I think he played most of his games in that position.

I seem to remember at the time of his signing he stipulated a preference for playing in the centre. 

He was at Boro 7 years ago and Fulham 5. On your pod you are always talking about square pegs and round holes now you want a Centre back that hasn't played Full back for at least 5 years to come in as RB cover. Strange.

[italian dave]

1 hour ago, chalkeyred said:

By the time he was signed, and match fit, we'd only need him for 7 months.....

I’m tempted to suggest that (Vyner aside) that would be more game time than we get out of any defender in the course of a season generally! 

[GrahamC]

1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

19/20, his first season after signing permanently, just 23 league appearances.

Bloody facts, getting in the way again.

I’m still on the fence with this one but if it is going to happen surely it will be this week.

Also worth pointing out regarding the fitness bit that he’s been working with a PT all summer & Timm Klose came straight in after signing in January’22 having not had a club for longer & did fine.

[bcfc01]

10 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Bloody facts, getting in the way again.

I’m still on the fence with this one but if it is going to happen surely it will be this week.

Also worth pointing out regarding the fitness bit that he’s been working with a PT all summer & Timm Klose came straight in after signing in January’22 having not had a club for longer & did fine.

If it was a midfielder, the lack of pre-season would have a greater impact imo. As a CB, not so much.

I wouldn't have any worries about his fitness tbh, he's experienced enough to know what he has to do to be fit to play. And a game or two at the HPC would get him match fit.

[headhunter]

5 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said:

He was at Boro 7 years ago and Fulham 5. On your pod you are always talking about square pegs and round holes now you want a Centre back that hasn't played Full back for at least 5 years to come in as RB cover. Strange.

I don't recall that phrase passing through my lips but many times it has Ian's. 

With McCrorie out UFN, question marks around Tanner and in furtherance of getting your best players out on the pitch even if it isn't in THEIR preferred position then if he does come back I'd play him in that position.

[Sir Geoff]

1 minute ago, headhunter said:

I don't recall that phrase passing through my lips but many times it has Ian's. 

With McCrorie out UFN, question marks around Tanner and in furtherance of getting your best players out on the pitch even if it isn't in THEIR preferred position then if he does come back I'd play him in that position.

Rather play Sykes there, personally.

[bcfc01]

2 minutes ago, headhunter said:

I don't recall that phrase passing through my lips but many times it has Ian's. 

With McCrorie out UFN, question marks around Tanner and in furtherance of getting your best players out on the pitch even if it isn't in THEIR preferred position then if he does come back I'd play him in that position.

Whilst I agree that Kalas could play full back with no problem, I don't think there are any question marks around Tanner, just a bit of a loss of form (at home as it stands).

[Davefevs]

Has Tanner suddenly not become good enough?  He has some limitations going forward, although not as big as some would make out.  He was poor on Saturday, all-round.  Good in all aspects last week at Millwall though, and good defensively v Preston but poor with the ball.  So he’s had a right old mixed bag so far.  He’s still a steady RB in my eyes.

[nickolas]

4 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Has Tanner suddenly not become good enough?  He has some limitations going forward, although not as big as some would make out.  He was poor on Saturday, all-round.  Good in all aspects last week at Millwall though, and good defensively v Preston but poor with the ball.  So he’s had a right old mixed bag so far.  He’s still a steady RB in my eyes.

I dont get the hate on Tanner. 
I dont see him getting done defensively and yes, going forward hes limited, but lets face it hes had Cornick in front of him who offers sod all as a right winger!

We didnt seem to worry too much about RB when Bailey Wright was playing there so i dont think Tanner is playing badly at all to be honest. 
The team in general are poor. Lack of movement in midfield makes for a lot of the defences troubles for playing out as theyre looking at statues in midfield not showing for the ball. 

Edited August 21, 2023 by nickolas

[GrahamC]

Just now, nickolas said:

I dont get the hate on Tanner. 
I dont see him getting done defensively and yes, going forward hes limited, but lets face it hes had Cornick in front of him who offers sod all as a right winger!

We didnt seem to worry too much about RB when Bailey Wright was playing there so i dont think Tanner is playing badly at all to be honest. 
The team in general are poor. Lack of movement in midfield makes for a lot lf the defence troubles for playing out as theyre looking at statues in midfield not showing for the ball. 

For me I think he’s had 2 poor home games but suggesting we are looking to replace him based on this & with McCrorie presumably going to be fit at some point is fantasy stuff that would see us have a first team squad of 35.

We are short at CB, we need to add In midfield, there is certainly a question as to whether one senior goalkeeper is enough (probably not), but this knee jerk hysteria is embarrassing.

[Winterstoke toad]

6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Has Tanner suddenly not become good enough?  He has some limitations going forward, although not as big as some would make out.  He was poor on Saturday, all-round.  Good in all aspects last week at Millwall though, and good defensively v Preston but poor with the ball.  So he’s had a right old mixed bag so far.  He’s still a steady RB in my eyes.

I wasn’t at the Preston game but against Cheltenham pre season their left winger wiped the floor with him . He was constantly beaten by his man and couldn’t win header to save his life . I know it was only pre season but compared to his form at the end of last season I thought he was awful .

[Steve Watts]

On 20/08/2023 at 11:20, Better Red said:

Kalas and Dickie would be a pretty strong and experienced back 2.

Would allow the full backs to bomb on something I have not seen yet.

Dropping our best player of the last 12 months (who's still with us anyway) or shifting him out of position is absolute madness.

Either Naismith or Cam will drop into the centre for Friday.  If it's Naismith then I'd better start topping up my blood pressure meds now!  Am I getting confuddled in my old age or has Tins suggested that CB could well be Prings ultimate position? If so, then him, with Roberts slotting in at LB would make more sense from a defensive point of view.

[petehinton]

Not happening, no agreement reached 

[Dredd]

3 hours ago, Sir Geoff said:

He was at Boro 7 years ago and Fulham 5. On your pod you are always talking about square pegs and round holes now you want a Centre back that hasn't played Full back for at least 5 years to come in as RB cover. Strange.

Surely it's just sensible? With RM out for an unknown period of time having someone that could play RB as well as CB should Tanner get injured or suspended makes sense. Nobodies suggesting he's being signed as a RB option unless there's a problem. Much like Sykes Vyner or Bell (this now seems madness) playing there in a pinch. 
Ultimately he's a very good defender at this level and if anyone's looking at that position in the free agent market then he's probably near the top of the list. If he's willing to sign reduced terms and everyone's happy then what's the problem? Give me a Kalas who knows the club, manager, players etc anyway over a Marriapa or Klose

[Bris Red]

Couldn’t particularly give a F if he resigns or not, invest the money in area’s that actually need investment. 

[Riaz]

Bristol Live "understand" - he wont be coming back.

Amazing how 1 random tweet, can make a rumour gather so much pace

[luke_bristol]

A good servant but no longer worth the money. I suppose he’ll feel he can match his wage elsewhere in the championship.

[Davefevs]

1 hour ago, Riaz said:

Bristol Live "understand" - he wont be coming back.

Amazing how 1 random tweet, can make a rumour gather so much pace

Expect “Dobbins Dub” twitter page will have deleted their post from Saturday already. 

[Lanterne Rouge]

8 hours ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

19/20, his first season after signing permanently, just 23 league appearances.

Wasn`t a lot of that down to Marley Watkins breaking his jaw/cheekbone or have I got my seasons muddled up?

[Nogbad the Bad]

25 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Wasn`t a lot of that down to Marley Watkins breaking his jaw/cheekbone or have I got my seasons muddled up?

Almost certainly the season of the Watkins incident, but he must have missed matches due to other injuries too.

Pretty sure his jaw injury didn't rule him out for half the season.

[Lanterne Rouge]

1 minute ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Almost certainly the season of the Watkins incident, but he must have missed matches due to other injuries too.

Pretty sure his jaw injury didn't rule him out for half the season.

He would have missed a few because of it though I guess?

[Nogbad the Bad]

7 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

He would have missed a few because of it though I guess?

Definitely, probably accounted for at least half the number of games missed. I really can't remember.

 

[Son of Fred]

19 hours ago, Steve Watts said:

Dropping our best player of the last 12 months (who's still with us anyway) or shifting him out of position is absolute madness.

Either Naismith or Cam will drop into the centre for Friday.  If it's Naismith then I'd better start topping up my blood pressure meds now!  Am I getting confuddled in my old age or has Tins suggested that CB could well be Prings ultimate position? If so, then him, with Roberts slotting in at LB would make more sense from a defensive point of view.

Makes complete sense -

Naismith an accident waiting to happen at the back & is a far better option in midfield -

Roberts has looked excellent, so giving him a start at left back the correct move....

[Red-Robbo]

Personally, if one of my guys came to me and said "Boss, I'm going to leave. I can get more money elsewhere" then two months later came back and said "Can I have my old job back? No one wanted me" I'd not re-employ him. 

[Davefevs]

6 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Personally, if one of my guys came to me and said "Boss, I'm going to leave. I can get more money elsewhere" then two months later came back and said "Can I have my old job back? No one wanted me" I'd not re-employ him. 

I tend to an agree.  I guess football contracts are different to most employees contracts, ie fixed term, though.

[Red-Robbo]

Just now, Davefevs said:

I tend to an agree.  I guess football contracts are different to most employees contracts, ie fixed term, though.

Yeah, it's a different world. I'd not be best chuffed that this potential approach to be taken back on the books came 4 games into the season. At least in Andi's case, it was resolved fairly rapidly. Given the time, I'd suggest Kalas's agent was actively touting his man around whereas perhaps with Weimann it was more of a bargaining position that didn't pay dividends - or perhaps did, we aren't privy to his pay discussions. 

Dickie is back soon, we also have Atkinson to return and younger defenders who can plug the gap. Naismith is not ideal in that role, but we know both he and King have played there as a stop-gap.

[GrahamC]

11 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Yeah, it's a different world. I'd not be best chuffed that this potential approach to be taken back on the books came 4 games into the season. At least in Andi's case, it was resolved fairly rapidly. Given the time, I'd suggest Kalas's agent was actively touting his man around whereas perhaps with Weimann it was more of a bargaining position that didn't pay dividends - or perhaps did, we aren't privy to his pay discussions. 

Dickie is back soon, we also have Atkinson to return and younger defenders who can plug the gap. Naismith is not ideal in that role, but we know both he and King have played there as a stop-gap.

Re Weimann a fair few of us heard that Stoke offered him a two year deal (on broadly similar terms) & the fact that we were prepared to offer three years to a player coming back from long term injury was what made him stay.

Seeing as the following season was his 22 goal one that’s definitely one decision that worked out.