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30 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

Yeah, it's a different world. I'd not be best chuffed that this potential approach to be taken back on the books came 4 games into the season. At least in Andi's case, it was resolved fairly rapidly. Given the time, I'd suggest Kalas's agent was actively touting his man around whereas perhaps with Weimann it was more of a bargaining position that didn't pay dividends - or perhaps did, we aren't privy to his pay discussions. 

Dickie is back soon, we also have Atkinson to return and younger defenders who can plug the gap. Naismith is not ideal in that role, but we know both he and King have played there as a stop-gap.

At least Andi was sorted out before 30th June expiry (even Bakes was too).  This has dragged on too long.

Not so sure re Naismith.  He ended the season (last 3 games) playing LCB with ZV in a back 4 and was pretty good imho.  It also helped Pring go back to LB where we benefitted from his bursts forward.

On a completely “hindsight aside” (?) although Dickie has looked good at LCB2, could the his passing / positioning angles have slightly affected Pring?

I guess we might find out on Friday.

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6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

At least Andi was sorted out before 30th June expiry (even Bakes was too).  This has dragged on too long.

Not so sure re Naismith.  He ended the season (last 3 games) playing LCB with ZV in a back 4 and was pretty good imho.  It also helped Pring go back to LB where we benefitted from his bursts forward.

On a completely “hindsight aside” (?) although Dickie has looked good at LCB2, could the his passing / positioning angles have slightly affected Pring?

I guess we might find out on Friday.

 

Pring is a really good full-back when being given the space to go forward, but on the back foot for too long, there's a mistake or three in him.  With Naismith I prefer him as a DM, allowing Williams a bit more freedom to make his mark further up.

As you know I'd prefer a new advanced central midfielder altogether (as would you, I believe). 

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Davefevs

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9 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

Pring is a really good full-back when being given the space to go forward, but on the back foot for too long, there's a mistake or three in him.  With Naismith I prefer him as a DM, allowing Williams a bit more freedom to make his mark further up.

As you know I'd prefer a new advanced central midfielder altogether (as would you, I believe). 

Although not a no10, I’d probably use the term an attack-minded CM.

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4 hours ago, Red-Robbo said:

Personally, if one of my guys came to me and said "Boss, I'm going to leave. I can get more money elsewhere" then two months later came back and said "Can I have my old job back? No one wanted me" I'd not re-employ him. 

This seems particularly harsh! Surely it was more like,

”So, Tomas, do you want to stay, we’d like you to… “

”Great, yes please, I’m happy here”

”Fine, how does 50% of your current pay sound”

”Ah, well, perhaps I’d better check if that’s the best available first “

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18 minutes ago, Leveller said:

This seems particularly harsh! Surely it was more like,

”So, Tomas, do you want to stay, we’d like you to… “

”Great, yes please, I’m happy here”

”Fine, how does 50% of your current pay sound”

”Ah, well, perhaps I’d better check if that’s the best available first “

 

The fact that City are reducing their wage bill cannot be a surprise to Tomas.

No issue with anyone seeking better terms, but it would've helped his cause if he'd done that weeks ago, rather than coming back after the season has started and a replacement has been bought and saying "Sorry, it appears I can't earn what my agent said I could". 

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GrahamC

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29 minutes ago, Leveller said:

This seems particularly harsh! Surely it was more like,

”So, Tomas, do you want to stay, we’d like you to… “

”Great, yes please, I’m happy here”

”Fine, how does 50% of your current pay sound”

”Ah, well, perhaps I’d better check if that’s the best available first “

Completely reasonable response.

However his contract ran out on June 30th, his month’s pay in lieu of notice ran out on July 31st and next week it will be September.

He’s therefore had plenty of time to evaluate the market & we are within our rights to withdraw the offer (in reality we probably already had) & move on.

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44 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Completely reasonable response.

However his contract ran out on June 30th, his month’s pay in lieu of notice ran out on July 31st and next week it will be September.

He’s therefore had plenty of time to evaluate the market & we are within our rights to withdraw the offer (in reality we probably already had) & move on.

Sure, but it would also be completely reasonable if he came back now and accepted the offer. But I’m sure he will now move on and better our reduced offer.

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22 minutes ago, Leveller said:

Sure, but it would also be completely reasonable if he came back now and accepted the offer. But I’m sure he will now move on and better our reduced offer.

The offer made was likely made on the proviso that he signed before pre-season started so that he could be up to speed.  For, every day that passed after pre-season started would have theoretically reduced the offer on the table.

Bit of a shame in some respects, not in others.

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15 minutes ago, Club and Country said:

You really do have to wander what Kalas and HNM are up to at this point 

The HNM one is interesting - I don’t know the answer here but unlike Kalas we still have a financial “interest” as we should be compensated by his next club. So is it a case of that compensation reduces/is removed if he doesn’t get a club for x period?

@Davefevs?

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23 minutes ago, Club and Country said:

You really do have to wander what Kalas and HNM are up to at this point 

Waiting for clubs to get desperate after deadline day, I suspect.

More understandable in Kalas case, being older, where money is more important than career choice.

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52 minutes ago, Club and Country said:

You really do have to wander what Kalas and HNM are up to at this point 

Lots of rumours with HNM that his father (& I believe now his agent) is far too involved in his career & has been rejecting offers trying to get the highest wages, this doesn’t look so smart now every major European league has kicked off & he still doesn’t have a club.

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14 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Lots of rumours with HNM that his father (& I believe now his agent) is far too involved in his career & has been rejecting offers trying to get the highest wages, this doesn’t look so smart now every major European league has kicked off & he still doesn’t have a club.

I think it's a shame. 

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22 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Lots of rumours with HNM that his father (& I believe now his agent) is far too involved in his career & has been rejecting offers trying to get the highest wages, this doesn’t look so smart now every major European league has kicked off & he still doesn’t have a club.

Nearly, but a lot more selfish than trying to get HNM the highest wage 

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39 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

Interesting one. Schalke are crap at the moment, but presumably still paying well.

Very short Ryanair flight to Koln from Bristol too! 

I watched their game yesterday and they were indeed dreadful. Big club, big stadium, big support. Great move for Tomas, he can only make them better.

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2 hours ago, Ska Junkie said:

Hell yeah. Scheisse nul vier.

Poor Tomas, what a come down! :sad26:

BCFC and BvB. ?⚪️?⚫️

I've been to Gelsenkirchen and it’s not a place you'd want to spend much time in. The Ruhrgebeit is basically the Welsh Valleys. Slag heaps still present from the industrial era. 

But the same applies to Dortmund. 

Good luck to Tomas, I assume part of the appeal is a 1 hour drive to Koln Airport, 1hr 15m flight to Bristol, and 10m taxi to Long Ashton.  

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Merrick's Marvels

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1 hour ago, KegCity said:

a standard where he’ll continue to look a solid player.

Bundesliga 2!

I should bloody hope he will. 

He's basically gone to play for Derby or Pompey, a big club at a shit level, just because they've offered to pay him loads of money. 

So his Instagram was, after all, a  window to his soul - it's all about the money, the glamour, the expensive holidays, the cars. And the teeth. 

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9 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Bundesliga 2!

I should bloody hope he will. 

He's basically gone to play for Derby or Pompey, a big club at a shit level, just because they've offered to pay him loads of money. 

So his Instagram was, after all, a  window to his soul - it's all about the money, the glamour, the expensive holidays, the cars. And the teeth. 

Would argue its more like signing for Leeds than the clubs you mention, Schalke are a massive club and have far more significance than us historically. Can't knock Kalas for taking the opportunity over sitting on our bench on 50% of the wages

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18 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said:

Would argue its more like signing for Leeds than the clubs you mention, Schalke are a massive club and have far more significance than us historically. Can't knock Kalas for taking the opportunity over sitting on our bench on 50% of the wages

Yep, in terms of the number of members they are the second biggest club in Germany and their stadium capacity is over 60k. Why wouldn't he choose them over us?

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46 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I've been to Gelsenkirchen and it’s not a place you'd want to spend much time in. The Ruhrgebeit is basically the Welsh Valleys. Slag heaps still present from the industrial era. 

But the same applies to Dortmund. 

Good luck to Tomas, I assume part of the appeal is a 1 hour drive to Koln Airport, 1hr 15m flight to Bristol, and 10m taxi to Long Ashton.  

I expect their better paid players live somewhere nice.

Not an expert on that part of Germany but there will be somewhere.

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48 minutes ago, Dolman_Stand said:

Would argue its more like signing for Leeds than the clubs you mention, Schalke are a massive club and have far more significance than us historically. Can't knock Kalas for taking the opportunity over sitting on our bench on 50% of the wages

Yes. Let's not quibble about the choice of example club.

That's not the point I'm making. 

He'd rather go to a shit standard of football because of the money than play in the Championship. 

Fair enough. Thanks. 

Don't rush back. 

 

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55 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Bundesliga 2 is probably though I don't watch it that often, seen it a few times in the past, the closest equivalent to the Championship of the European 2nd tiers. Has a host of medium to big clubs too again a similarity.

Schalke have had crowds of 60,000+ for their first 2 home games of the season. Crazy. 

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Kalas was great pre injuries, especially in the loan season alongside Webster.

Two promotions two playoffs in 4 seasons at this level, prior to joining us and played very nicely v Man City..injury kinda wrecked him a bit here. International for a midranking European team too- if not for injuries etc.

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8 hours ago, petehinton said:

Schalke have had crowds of 60,000+ for their first 2 home games of the season. Crazy. 

SV Hamburg regularly have 50,000, too.

Germany is really the only country in Europe apart from England where aside from an occasional outlier (like Bordeaux) you get consistent huge attendances outside of the top flight.

Just had a look at the sides in it this season, apart from Hamburg & Schalke there’s the likes of Hertha Berlin, Fortuna Düsseldorf, Kaiserslautern, Hansa Rostock, St. Pauli & Hannover.

It’s a pretty decent league.

 

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10 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Bundesliga 2 is probably though I don't watch it that often, seen it a few times in the past, the closest equivalent to the Championship of the European 2nd tiers. Has a host of medium to big clubs too again a similarity.

According to globalfootballrankings.com, (I have no idea of their quality of assessment), for last season The Championship was ranked 11th globally, and Bundesliga 2 was ranked 14th. These were consecutively the highest ranked tier two leagues. League One was ranked 28th.

I doubt if there is very much difference in Tomas Kalas joining Schalke and a top half Championship side.

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14 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Bundesliga 2!

I should bloody hope he will. 

He's basically gone to play for Derby or Pompey, a big club at a shit level, just because they've offered to pay him loads of money. 

So his Instagram was, after all, a  window to his soul - it's all about the money, the glamour, the expensive holidays, the cars. And the teeth. 

My dentist mate reckons his dentist told him to move abroad so's he won't have his face rearranged by Marley Watkins again

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13 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Yes. Let's not quibble about the choice of example club.

That's not the point I'm making. 

He'd rather go to a shit standard of football because of the money than play in the Championship. 

Fair enough. Thanks. 

Don't rush back. 

 

What are you so wound up about? We offered him a contract, he didn't accept it, then went elsewhere.

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6 minutes ago, Bristol Oil Services said:

My dentist mate reckons his dentist told him to move abroad so's he won't have his face rearranged by Marley Watkins again

Sound advice, I reckon. 

 

2 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said:

What are you so wound up about? We offered him a contract, he didn't accept it, then went elsewhere.

Chill mate, just a little joshing.

He does have lovely teeth, though. 

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15 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said:

I've been to Gelsenkirchen and it’s not a place you'd want to spend much time in. The Ruhrgebeit is basically the Welsh Valleys. Slag heaps still present from the industrial era. 

But the same applies to Dortmund. 

Good luck to Tomas, I assume part of the appeal is a 1 hour drive to Koln Airport, 1hr 15m flight to Bristol, and 10m taxi to Long Ashton.  

I don't disagree, neither town / city is particularly appealing. Matchday in Dortmund is electric though.

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Personally disappointed in him , we made him our captain and stood by him through his injuries and he was our highest paid player , we also stopped his merry go round of loans . Unless his new deal was absolute peanuts ( which I doubt it was ) thought he could have given us another year at least . 
then if he stayed fit and backed his ability could then have gone back to the board and demanded more 

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2 minutes ago, redkev said:

Personally disappointed in him , we made him our captain and stood by him through his injuries and he was our highest paid player , we also stopped his merry go round of loans . Unless his new deal was absolute peanuts ( which I doubt it was ) thought he could have given us another year at least . 
then if he stayed fit and backed his ability could then have gone back to the board and demanded more 

On a relative scale I imagine was on KP Brand Honey Roasted nuts, and was offered Asda own brand salted.

I can’t comment on actuals but on here we’ve read he was on £25k p.w and got offered somewhere between £7.5-10k p.w.  No idea on term.

FWIW I’m not disappointed in him.  Timing of contract expiry versus downturn in wages we can offer is a lot to do with it.

 

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58 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

On a relative scale I imagine was on KP Brand Honey Roasted nuts, and was offered Asda own brand salted.

I can’t comment on actuals but on here we’ve read he was on £25k p.w and got offered somewhere between £7.5-10k p.w.  No idea on term.

FWIW I’m not disappointed in him.  Timing of contract expiry versus downturn in wages we can offer is a lot to do with it.

 

Being a bit old fashioned me Dave and lifelong city fan , I thought a bit of loyalty / thanks might have come into it - how silly of me 

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1 hour ago, redkev said:

Being a bit old fashioned me Dave and lifelong city fan , I thought a bit of loyalty / thanks might have come into it - how silly of me 

Unfortunately the fans are the only ones loyal.  I would have loved him to stay as a top defender for me.

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1 hour ago, redkev said:

Being a bit old fashioned me Dave and lifelong city fan , I thought a bit of loyalty / thanks might have come into it - how silly of me 

I guess the point I’m making is would you stay loyal for a wage half to a third (allegedly) from what you’ve been on?

There is a case on both or neither side???

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I guess the point I’m making is would you stay loyal for a wage half to a third (allegedly) from what you’ve been on?

There is a case on both or neither side???

Depends on what you can get elsewhere.

We’ll never know the figures exactly but if our offer was circa £10k a week (not unlikely) & Schalke have offered him 2 years (which they definitely have) on £12k a week then you can understand him.

If Schalke have gone above that figure then anyone with any sense would snap their hands off.

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1 minute ago, GrahamC said:

Depends on what you can get elsewhere.

We’ll never know the figures exactly but if our offer was circa £10k a week (not unlikely) & Schalke have offered him 2 years (which they definitely have) on £12k a week then you can understand him.

If Schalke have gone above that figure then anyone with any sense would snap their hands off.

I heard we’d offered him around £7k a week. If that’s true, I’m not surprised he didn’t rush to sign it. 

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52 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

I guess the point I’m making is would you stay loyal for a wage half to a third (allegedly) from what you’ve been on?

There is a case on both or neither side???

I know what your saying and tend to agree , but it might also depend what my employer had done for me whilst I was there and how much I needed the money 

1 hour ago, Clevedon Red said:

No such thing as loyalty these days on modern football.

Think we all know that ?

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1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

Depends on what you can get elsewhere.

We’ll never know the figures exactly but if our offer was circa £10k a week (not unlikely) & Schalke have offered him 2 years (which they definitely have) on £12k a week then you can understand him.

If Schalke have gone above that figure then anyone with any sense would snap their hands off.

Would Schalke have offered him £12k per week? We know they're a well supported club but they're also a club in decline so do we know where they stand financially? 

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