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1 hour ago, ralphindevon said:

My pre season optimism, 4 days ago, has taken a rapid dive not felt since the Coppell fiasco.

The difference is this time I’m confident it’ll climb again soon. Though If we lose tomorrow v Oxford and Pearson walks out it may tumble again 

Little doubt that this season is last chance saloon for Nigel. Never get the feeling SL has a lot of time for him, injuries are frustrating but all the optimism of one week ago has certainly been crushed. Pressure on Tinnion and Nige now, if we sell Scott we cannot also go to Christmas without our two best forward thinking players. Big decision to be made market wise. 

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56 minutes ago, Finley_Smith10 said:

Wells hasn’t scored a goal from open play since the Birmingham home game

This is a big problem for us. Tommy is the most obvious CF choice for us with his ability to hold the ball and link play, this is almost as bad as losing Scott. The good news is the window is still open, Nige may need to cut the stubborn approach to loans, we are missing a powerful forward, I’ve mentioned Joao already, surely worth exploring. Someone who can give us some pace and power up top. 

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1 hour ago, Silvio Dante said:

There’s a few things I don’t understand about people’s reactions here. Pole vaulting to conclusions that Dave Rennie is the antichrist is one. The other is that Tommys injury somehow necessitates a signing. 
 

As at right now, we have 5 fit strikers for 3 positions. Weimann is clearly borderline fit so that’s nearly 6 for 3. People may not rate one or more of the 5 fit strikers, but if they are part of our squad (and 3 got in ahead of TC on Saturday) then why would we need to make another signing?

Add into this, Scott is supposed to be fit for Saturday. Benarous on the way back. Weimann, as I said, was borderline Saturday. You’re then looking at 3 of the 7 back within 2-3 weeks. McCrorie we don’t know as yet, ditto Kal. But if you look at it reasonably, we have (confirmed) two players in Rob and Tommy who are out for a reasonable length. That doesn’t seem unusual in a squad of 26. Particularly when most injuries are different as opposed to, as stated, all hammies.

Or we could all panic and just burn the witch. Your call.

Time will tell won’t it. If during Conway’s absence all is well and the strikers we have prove themselves as adequate then we never needed a striker. If we miss a lot of chances and nobody is firing in the final third then we did need a striker. You are certainly more confident about Wells et al than I am. 

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10 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

Time will tell won’t it. If during Conway’s absence all is well and the strikers we have prove themselves as adequate then we never needed a striker. If we miss a lot of chances and nobody is firing in the final third then we did need a striker. You are certainly more confident about Wells et al than I am. 

Can’t help but think we may regret not going in for Yates at Blackpool. Loved his goal for Swansea at weekend, would have been a Vardy type for Nige. 

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5 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Can’t help but think we may regret not going in for Yates at Blackpool. Loved his goal for Swansea at weekend, would have been a Vardy type for Nige. 

I like Yates but would a move have been within our financial parameters?

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Don’t think he is out, maybe rested for tomorrows match but will be back in the squad Saturday. There got to be something more to Scott’s reply. I reckon someone’s started a rumour and Alex and Tommy are sat in they’re apartment bored and fancied a laugh.

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6 minutes ago, Aipearcey said:

Don’t think he is out, maybe rested for tomorrows match but will be back in the squad Saturday. There got to be something more to Scott’s reply. I reckon someone’s started a rumour and Alex and Tommy are sat in they’re apartment bored and fancied a laugh.

I want what you’ve been smoking 

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Trust Tommy recovers quickly, however, we have options, simply time for Wells and the other forwards to step up.

All sides get injuries, sadly it’s part of the game, it is how we deal with it that counts.

Lets not get too pessimistic too soon, you never know we might yet keep Alex Scott ?

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5 minutes ago, Grey Fox said:

Trust Tommy recovers quickly, however, we have options, simply time for Wells and the other forwards to step up.

All sides get injuries, sadly it’s part of the game, it is how we deal with it that counts.

Lets not get too pessimistic too soon, you never know we might yet keep Alex Scott ?

At this second and excluding youth players who played a bit in pre-season we have 14 fit outfield players.

That's worrying, let's hope a number of these clear up sharpish and yes that we can somehow keep Scott for a bit longer..24 days until the window now.

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2 hours ago, Cityboy1954 said:

Nige gave a,press conference said wages are nearly at the ceiling that was,accounted for although surely kallas wages must still be there.?

Ok, so referencing wages, not injuries then.  Ta.

1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

This is fair but the situation is suboptimal.

Fault of Rennie or something else?

Firstly, before casting aspersions about an individual, you need to compile some facts.  FWIW I never jumped on the Rolls “Dr Death” stuff because he’s a professional, and sometimes shit happens.  Covid, season postponement, season resumption, short pre-season, condensed next season was shit happening.  Orme, who was here at the time, said they got a few things a bit wrong in the pre-season training and that contributed.  There are also a few stories that have done the rounds that it was Holden rushing players back, because if the decline in results.

I don’t know, this is an area for the professionals.  Even having every injury under the sun, doesn’t qualify me! ???

You also need to look at injury type, where it occurred, e.g. match, training, etc.  I can only compile City and base it on info given by club, but here’s last season:

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But when Nige says they’ve improved training days by x % (70% I think) I tend to believe him.  I only collate matches missed.  I don’t have the detail, nor are we given full detail to know when a player is fit, but just not selected.

I’m not having a go at you Mr P, just a lot of excitement on this thread tonight, and a lot of panic too.  Hey m it’s OTIB.  I should know better.

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Just now, Davefevs said:

Ok, so referencing wages, not injuries then.  Ta.

Firstly, before casting aspersions about an individual, you need to compile some facts.  FWIW I never jumped on the Rolls “Dr Death” stuff because he’s a professional, and sometimes shit happens.  Covid, season postponement, season resumption, short pre-season, condensed next season was shit happening.  Orme, who was here at the time, said they got a few things a bit wrong in the pre-season training and that contributed.  There are also a few stories that have done the rounds that it was Holden rushing players back, because if the decline in results.

I don’t know, this is an area for the professionals.  Even having every injury under the sun, doesn’t qualify me! ???

You also need to look at injury type, where it occurred, e.g. match, training, etc.  I can only compile City and base it on info given by club, but here’s last season:

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But when Nige says they’ve improved training days by x % (70% I think) I tend to believe him.  I only collate matches missed.  I don’t have the detail, nor are we given full detail to know when a player is fit, but just not selected.

I’m not having a go at you Mr P, just a lot of excitement on this thread tonight, and a lot of panic too.  Hey m it’s OTIB.  I should know better.

That's good news and it has felt better than under Rolls, so many things came off the rails, the wheels didn't just fall off but rolled down a very steep hill in 2020-21!

Holden rushing back Williams especially I can believe but who can say.

Not attributing blame to Rennie as such, Dave I just wonder if there is anything in training we can do differently. Ball work up a bit, out of possession down a bit..do we work them hard enough or too hard? Unsure any side has the perfect system so it's nothing more than a constructive criticism.

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Really shit that TC is out, but we really do still have quite a few decent front 3 combinations we can put together.

Wells, Bell and Cornick can cover CF between them, with Mehmeti and Sykes to cover the wings too. Got Weimann as well. 

I don't think we'll get anyone else in to cover the spot as some others seem to.

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1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

That's good news and it has felt better than under Rolls, so many things came off the rails, the wheels didn't just fall off but rolled down a very steep hill in 2020-21!

Holden rushing back Williams especially I can believe but who can say.

Not attributing blame to Rennie as such, Dave I just wonder if there is anything in training we can do differently. Ball work up a bit, out of possession down a bit..do we work them hard enough or too hard? Unsure any side has the perfect system so it's nothing more than a constructive criticism.

I’ve no idea of root cause or remedy.

But I will say that Rennie is an expert in his field, and I’m happy to leave it to him and his team to do whatever is needed.

I’d much rather amateur-sleuth football / tactical stuff than try to guess medical stuff.  Mrs F is the medical expert in the Fevs household.  She’s never got a Doc Martin episode wrong….she normally solves it before Dr Ellingham does. ???

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14 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

That's good news and it has felt better than under Rolls, so many things came off the rails, the wheels didn't just fall off but rolled down a very steep hill in 2020-21!

Holden rushing back Williams especially I can believe but who can say.

Not attributing blame to Rennie as such, Dave I just wonder if there is anything in training we can do differently. Ball work up a bit, out of possession down a bit..do we work them hard enough or too hard? Unsure any side has the perfect system so it's nothing more than a constructive criticism.

This season will be a nightmare for sport science and medical with the added minutes, it’s about an extra km per game which equates to about 6 extra games over the season worth of distance 

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2 minutes ago, Lrrr said:

This season will be a nightmare for sport science and medical with the added minutes, it’s about an extra km per game which equates to about 6 extra games over the season worth of distance 

It will be interesting. Yes agree with your maths.

One simple partial solution is that players cut down on the theatrics, the time-wasting and the gamesmanship, this will certainly help- the coaches have a role to play.

Having a World Cup in-season in the cycle, the Covid break pushing the seasons around and the Euros forward, it is somewhat cumulative.

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4 hours ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

This is a big problem for us. Tommy is the most obvious CF choice for us with his ability to hold the ball and link play, this is almost as bad as losing Scott. The good news is the window is still open, Nige may need to cut the stubborn approach to loans, we are missing a powerful forward, I’ve mentioned Joao already, surely worth exploring. Someone who can give us some pace and power up top. 

Lucas joao has signed for a Chinese team but agree sort of striker we need 

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5 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It will be interesting. Yes agree with your maths.

One simple partial solution is that players cut down on the theatrics, the time-wasting and the gamesmanship, this will certainly help- the coaches have a role to play.

Having a World Cup in-season in the cycle, the Covid break pushing the seasons around and the Euros forward, it is somewhat cumulative.

As the extra minutes are supposed to be replacing that lost time, wouldn't that mean the same amount of work for the players, just condensed back into 90 minutes?  

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6 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

It will be interesting. Yes agree with your maths.

One simple partial solution is that players cut down on the theatrics, the time-wasting and the gamesmanship, this will certainly help- the coaches have a role to play.

Having a World Cup in-season in the cycle, the Covid break pushing the seasons around and the Euros forward, it is somewhat cumulative.

I don’t think it’s as simple as that, the headache will be the planning of how much and what intensity the players do in the week to prepare 

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11 hours ago, Olé said:

When you think about it it's really not that odd 

It's not even vaguely odd?   That the club would prevent individual players from announcing things prior to the official line would be  without doubt the oddest  ...Where there's a story.....there is always a conspiracy theorist?  

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21 minutes ago, Simon bristol said:

Just read the evening post article on this, they are reporting he did it in a sprint during the preston game and stayed on….. wtf has happened there?? He would have known after last season what he had done, he should have immediately been taken off to prevent any further danage! 

What with this and Weimann starting despite having a heal injury, I think there are certainly questions on how the squad is being managed at the moment. 

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7 hours ago, YGBjammy said:

Really shit that TC is out, but we really do still have quite a few decent front 3 combinations we can put together.

Wells, Bell and Cornick can cover CF between them, with Mehmeti and Sykes to cover the wings too. Got Weimann as well. 

I don't think we'll get anyone else in to cover the spot as some others seem to.

Where are the goals coming from? It was already a concern, since Antoine left we are not creating or scoring enough. We’ve need a striker to upgrade on Wells who can’t do it all anymore despite being a decent player at this level. Cornick for me is another Steve Jones, no doubt he did well for Luton, but it just hasn’t clicked with us, he doesn’t look a threat and was very poor v PNE IMO. We need to get a striker on loan, we won’t for sure and that will be a mistake. All it takes is for Nakhi to go down and we can kiss goodbye to any success. 

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8 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

There’s a few things I don’t understand about people’s reactions here. Pole vaulting to conclusions that Dave Rennie is the antichrist is one. The other is that Tommys injury somehow necessitates a signing. 
 

As at right now, we have 5 fit strikers for 3 positions. Weimann is clearly borderline fit so that’s nearly 6 for 3. People may not rate one or more of the 5 fit strikers, but if they are part of our squad (and 3 got in ahead of TC on Saturday) then why would we need to make another signing?

Add into this, Scott is supposed to be fit for Saturday. Benarous on the way back. Weimann, as I said, was borderline Saturday. You’re then looking at 3 of the 7 back within 2-3 weeks. McCrorie we don’t know as yet, ditto Kal. But if you look at it reasonably, we have (confirmed) two players in Rob and Tommy who are out for a reasonable length. That doesn’t seem unusual in a squad of 26. Particularly when most injuries are different as opposed to, as stated, all hammies.

Or we could all panic and just burn the witch. Your call.

We allocated squad numbers to 26 as you say but that includes 2 CBs who have not made their debuts yet& a 3rd keeper in Bajic. Rob & Tommy as you say are out, Benarous is returning after 2 ACL ruptures, Naismith struggling to stay fit & that’s not even mentioning those currently unavailable through hopefully short term injuries. All of a sudden that 26 man squad looks light & we’ve only had 1 game ! 
 

No panic but personally feel we are light at CB but all about opinions. 


 

 

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1 hour ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Where are the goals coming from? It was already a concern, since Antoine left we are not creating or scoring enough. We’ve need a striker to upgrade on Wells who can’t do it all anymore despite being a decent player at this level. Cornick for me is another Steve Jones, no doubt he did well for Luton, but it just hasn’t clicked with us, he doesn’t look a threat and was very poor v PNE IMO. We need to get a striker on loan, we won’t for sure and that will be a mistake. All it takes is for Nakhi to go down and we can kiss goodbye to any success. 

We could always try the Championship's third top goalscorer of only 15 months ago up front?

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5 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

We could always try the Championship's third top goalscorer of only 15 months ago up front?

Often the simplest solutions are the best! Seems like he’s hardly played up front since the WSM days and his prolific season. 

looking on the positive side , injuries happen, and it’s good at least that we have plenty of championship quality cover up top.

Any other injuries in centre midfield, CB or GK and we’d be really panicking!!  

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3 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

As the extra minutes are supposed to be replacing that lost time, wouldn't that mean the same amount of work for the players, just condensed back into 90 minutes?  

My thinking was along the lines of this new method of adding on stoppages discincentivising such antics thereby the problem will fall away in due course. Yeah physical fatigue sure but extra 10, 15 mins- you'll always get some stoppage time, mental and physical fatigue can be cumulative. 

2 hours ago, Lrrr said:

I don’t think it’s as simple as that, the headache will be the planning of how much and what intensity the players do in the week to prepare 

It's not the whole part of it granted. Talking game wide now but any specific club, if you as players and coaches know that these new rules will be in play it's an incentive to keep the gsme moving more which means less stoppages ie forced stoppages, less mental and physical strain from longer games.

Training and conditioning, how often does z typical processional club train a week? Someone told me twice, that can't be right surely. Over-working, under-working?

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44 minutes ago, The chief said:

Often the simplest solutions are the best! Seems like he’s hardly played up front since the WSM days and his prolific season. 

looking on the positive side , injuries happen, and it’s good at least that we have plenty of championship quality cover up top.

Any other injuries in centre midfield, CB or GK and we’d be really panicking!!  

Weimann didn't play up front, he played in the hole behind strikers who are not here anymore. Also, is he not injured?

 

Do think we are now light up top and wonder if we'll need to dip into the loan market now for the first time under Pearson.

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It all seemed to be going so well thrashing teams in friendlies, scoring goals for fun. Taking the 25million stance with Scott and clubs circling. Within a week it is crumbling. Drop two points at home, shock news on Conway plus injuries to countless others and no sign of Scott either playing or going. I don't know why my hopes are always dashed so quickly but should be used to it by now. I hope Pearson does some moves in the transfer market to shore up the squad. Maybe a striker on loan to start with. COYR.

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Always nice to know that the season is over by 9 August.

It's one injury.

12 weeks takes us to 1 November, so he misses 13 league games. Just 1/3 of the season. 

We have other players to cover that position, and in fact Conway didn't start in the first game.

It's not optimal, but it's not a disaster.

And...we were never going to finish top 6 anyway!

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5 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

Always nice to know that the season is over by 9 August.

It's one injury.

12 weeks takes us to 1 November, so he misses 13 league games. Just 1/3 of the season. 

We have other players to cover that position, and in fact Conway didn't start in the first game.

It's not optimal, but it's not a disaster.

And...we were never going to finish top 6 anyway!

And Conway was never going to finish top scorer.

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22 minutes ago, Redrascal2 said:

It all seemed to be going so well thrashing teams in friendlies, scoring goals for fun. Taking the 25million stance with Scott and clubs circling. Within a week it is crumbling. Drop two points at home, shock news on Conway plus injuries to countless others and no sign of Scott either playing or going. I don't know why my hopes are always dashed so quickly but should be used to it by now. I hope Pearson does some moves in the transfer market to shore up the squad. Maybe a striker on loan to start with. COYR.

Same happened last summer, positive signings early on, Austria trip, easy friendly schedule aside from Bournemouth away. Then same issues with injuries and a poor start. As I’ve said I’m a big Nige fan but I wonder if he would be better in the Tinnion role with a more progressive Head Coach. Let’s see what happens, if we don’t do something in this window now to add goals to the team and creativity there is not a chance we will go above 14th. 

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5 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said:

Same happened last summer, positive signings early on, Austria trip, easy friendly schedule aside from Bournemouth away. Then same issues with injuries and a poor start. As I’ve said I’m a big Nige fan but I wonder if he would be better in the Tinnion role with a more progressive Head Coach. Let’s see what happens, if we don’t do something in this window now to add goals to the team and creativity there is not a chance we will go above 14th. 

We were 3rd after 8 games last season.

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1 hour ago, MontagueRed said:

 Weimann starting when clearly no where near full fitness doesn’t make much sense to me. The game completely bypassed him, with all of NPs experience that is one decision I struggle to understand.

I must admit, from the way Weimann was moving, I suspected he was carrying a slight injury from the start. It was no surprise that he went off so early. Andi strikes me as the sort who loves to play and would likely play down any discomfort he was feeling in the run-up. A competitive game however will find you out, even if you've got through training OK.

If Tommy was injured during the game, it explains why he was so ineffective for much of his time on the pitch. 

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Are we really panicking after one game, remember the outlook in December compared to end of January.. 

Also what's not to say another academy player will come through and absolutely smash it. ..

Could be the Preston game was exactly the wake up call we needed ? 

Who knows? But I would wait to see what happens over the next few weeks

Accidentally put on wrong thread and can't move it so ignore 

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12 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

I must admit, from the way Weimann was moving, I suspected he was carrying a slight injury from the start. It was no surprise that he went off so early. Andi strikes me as the sort who loves to play and would likely play down any discomfort he was feeling in the run-up. A competitive game however will find you out, even if you've got through training OK.

If Tommy was injured during the game, it explains why he was so ineffective for much of his time on the pitch. 

Weimann had an injection, was deemed fit to play.  It didn’t pay off.  Hopefully it just needs a small amount of rest and he’ll be fine again.  I’m still on hols so couldn’t pick up anything on Robinstv apart from he was hardly involved. Someone said you could tell quite early on he was struggling.  As you say, you can do all manner of stuff in training, but a real game pushes you that bit further.

As for Conway, when in the game did he do it?  Before the 4th/5th subs were made or in injury time?

Hopefully Naismith and McCrorie aren’t far away.

I did jokingly say the other day that a managers best eleven is rarely / never their best eleven at the end of the season, and is rarely the case by September….by August 9th is going some!! ?

Sometimes though these little things work in your favour.  Nige will know he can’t flog Nahki on his own for 3 months so we might see some kind of tweak.  Might create a bit of a siege mentality.

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