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7 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

Nigel person said in a pre-match press conference that Alex Scott was injured, then we find whilst the game was being played last night he is a Bournemouth having a medical,as stated by SSN , was he lying to the fans, 

Does it actually matter?

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He just said he "had a knock in training" and would not be playing. That's almost certainly all true! everyone gets a "knock" in every training session..

The facts are the club was not willing to risk real injury with so much money on the line is also almost certainly true, but the club and NP probably cannot say that without "outrage" on here and elsewhere....

Note the difference to how NP reported AW's injury, lots of back ground and technical info on it....

 

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15 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

Nigel person said in a pre-match press conference that Alex Scott was injured, then we find whilst the game was being played last night he is a Bournemouth having a medical,as stated by SSN , was he lying to the fans, 

Does it matter? I think we all know this is what happens when transfers are in progress.

I don't think a single person expected to see Alex on the teamsheet Saturday, less so last night.

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10 minutes ago, Redandproud said:

Nigel person said in a pre-match press conference that Alex Scott was injured, then we find whilst the game was being played last night he is a Bournemouth having a medical,as stated by SSN , was he lying to the fans, 

Both can be true, he said that he had a knock and wasn't fit for last weekend, he's having a medical that certainly wouldn't fail him and he could always be fit now.  Just shit luck that a bit that meets our price has come in for him.

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I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt here. Knock in training made it touch & go for Saturday, so decided not to risk him and aggravate an slight injury, particularly if Bournemouth were making serious noises. Of course with a bid in and medical yesterday, situation changed and no way he can start for us. One thing I really like about Nige is he rarely treats the fans as fools.

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Doesn’t really matter. Probably just as well he didn’t play Saturday if a move was that close - last thing we needed was another Burnley performance from him!

And, as others have said, there’s a difference between ‘he picked up an knock in training’ and ‘he is injured and that’s the only reason he’s not been selected’.

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If the approach by Bournemouth was known at the time then there’s not much else he could say under the circumstances.

If Bournemouth hadn’t presented an acceptable offer at that time and Nigel was told not to risk Scott for the greater good of the clubs finances then there’s not much else he could say under the circumstances.

Or…he could’ve been injured.

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55 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

If the approach by Bournemouth was known at the time then there’s not much else he could say under the circumstances.

If Bournemouth hadn’t presented an acceptable offer at that time and Nigel was told not to risk Scott for the greater good of the clubs finances then there’s not much else he could say under the circumstances.

Or…he could’ve been injured.

I think the other factor - without wishing to cast any aspersions on Scott personally - is that a player with a knock might consider their availability slightly differently if they were on the cusp of a big move. In those circumstances, it could be that a player doesn't want to risk aggravating an injury if they know they are on the cusp on a transfer even if they would likely play through the same injury if that transfer were not on the horizon. 

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What Pearson could have said:

" We are in delicate final talks with Bournemouth and given that there isn't huge interest in Alex- the club needs to cash in because we need the funds and the risk of missing out/AS getting a major injury like Conway, Atkinson/Benarous is greater than the benefit of keeping him another few months. We have little choice to sell our best players and hopefully we will be empowered to make some signings with such a big price agreed and we also hope that no one will try to pull our pants down on any new signings"

Alternatively he could have just deflected, remained professional and just said" He's got a minor injury".

 

 

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17 minutes ago, Henry said:

You can have an injury and still pass a medical.

Medicals are a risk assessment, not a test.

And as we know from Semenyo and now being out with a shin problem that was evident here, Bournemouth’s medicals aren’t the most rigorous. In fact, Alex could probably have had his legs blown off on the way to Dorset and still pass.

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9 minutes ago, View from the Dolman said:

Yeah but that would get in the way of being outraged. 

 

2 minutes ago, TheReds said:

Sorry, that simply won't wash on here!!

Imagine if a player could only go for a pre-transfer medical if they were 100% fit. The entire transfer system would grind to a halt. 

Medicals are a disclosure exercise, same way you get a survey done before you buy a house, a defect in the guttering won't stop you buying it, but you know what you're getting into.

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2 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

 

Imagine if a player could only go for a pre-transfer medical if they were 100% fit. The entire transfer system would grind to a halt. 

Medicals are a disclosure exercise, same way you get a survey done before you buy a house, a defect in the guttering won't stop you buying it, but you know what you're getting into.

Rising damp or death watch beetle showing up in a player's medical might deter a few clubs though.

Then again we've signed a few who showed signs of rot before coming here, but it never put us of!

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What was he supposed to say the last week? Yeah just being honest fans.. he's off to Bournemouth so I can't play him today whilst the clubs are still coming to an agreement on a fee.

It doesn't happen that way. There is always a 'knock' ect stated by the manager and then they leave. Sometimes managers will say their head isn't in the right space (basically they've said they don't want to play and move on) its just a football white lie until its wrapped up.

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1 hour ago, Redandproud said:

Nigel person said in a pre-match press conference that Alex Scott was injured, then we find whilst the game was being played last night he is a Bournemouth having a medical,as stated by SSN , was he lying to the fans, 

Being economical with the truth. Just like you were about the stewards….. and your son and the female police officer, right?

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37 minutes ago, LondonBristolian said:

I think the other factor - without wishing to cast any aspersions on Scott personally - is that a player with a knock might consider their availability slightly differently if they were on the cusp of a big move. In circumstances, it could be that a player doesn't want to risk aggravating an injury if they know they are on the cusp on a transfer even if they would likely play through the same injury if that transfer were not on the horizon. 

Yep, agree.

Not something I’d thought of but that would make sense.

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1 hour ago, MarcusX said:

Does it matter? I think we all know this is what happens when transfers are in progress.

I don't think a single person expected to see Alex on the teamsheet Saturday, less so last night.

Indeed. Hardly the first time similar has happened, and won't be the last either. It's 'read between the lines' football.

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1 hour ago, Redandproud said:

Nigel person said in a pre-match press conference that Alex Scott was injured, then we find whilst the game was being played last night he is a Bournemouth having a medical,as stated by SSN , was he lying to the fans, 

I would guess he was saying as little as possible in the hope that we would all get the gist of what was really going on (on the basis it's only happened about 20,000 times previously). Unfortunately it seems beyond a few............in conclusion I reckon Nige's pants are on fire.

Imagine the outright rage of the hindsight experts on here if Alex did a "Conway" and Bournemouth put it out there that all terms were agreed but due to the injury being longer term they are pulling out of a £25m deal, not to mention we would have one mightily pissed off player on our hands.

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2 hours ago, Rossi the Robin said:

He was put in an awkward position

Probably not allowed to say the truth 

Not really bothered tbh 

Exactly this, especially as Nige was toeing the line “it’s £25m minimum”. He seems pretty pissed off that Scott’s being sold for less than that, and I don’t blame him. His sale make sense for the finances, but weakens the squad and now we’ve got three weeks to find at least one replacement. I don’t see how his sale strengthens us if we now have to panic buy. 

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8 minutes ago, tin said:

Exactly this, especially as Nige was toeing the line “it’s £25m minimum”. He seems pretty pissed off that Scott’s being sold for less than that, and I don’t blame him. His sale make sense for the finances, but weakens the squad and now we’ve got three weeks to find at least one replacement. I don’t see how his sale strengthens us if we now have to panic buy. 

Why would we be panic buying? It's not the last day of the window and it's hardly breaking news that the kid is leaving. If the club does not have a contingency plan in place and really does have to panic buy then it's total incompetence and lunacy on everyone's part. We all knew Scott was ******* off and the club will have had players in mind to replace him since the end of last season.

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2 hours ago, Redandproud said:

Nigel person said in a pre-match press conference that Alex Scott was injured, then we find whilst the game was being played last night he is a Bournemouth having a medical,as stated by SSN , was he lying to the fans, 

Possibly/probably. Does it matter? 

He will not come out and announce details of this nature to fans before the club are ready to but has to manage questions from the media before official responses can be given.  

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8 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

Why would we be panic buying? It's not the last day of the window and it's hardly breaking news that the kid is leaving. If the club does not have a contingency plan in place and really does have to panic buy then it's total incompetence and lunacy on everyone's part. We all knew Scott was ******* off and the club will have had players in mind to replace him since the end of last season.

Let’s hope you’re right. I don’t think Nige is a liar, so when he said he’s not sure what money - if any - he’ll get from this sale, I doubt we have any form of contingency plan in place unless it was  signing Knight and hoping Benarous returns to the level he was at when he got injured first time. 

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As others have said ,the truth around transfers is often fairly misty.

I think what will be more frustrating if it occurs is if the fee is undisclosed.Although selling once in a generation talent like Scott is possibly v short-sighted if we have any intentions of reaching the prem,I understand all the arguments that make it almost inevitable that we have to sell .However I suspect we accept it far better if he goes for the much talked about £25m ,when if fee is undisclosed it may be that the actual fee (with fabled add ons) could be as low as £12m or less ,Scott is no big name yet and with minimal interest,it may well be we settle at a much lower fee.

Thst could explain NP’s surliness on the subject.As his war chest will be considerably smaller than anticipated.

Unfortunately we will probably never know.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Redandproud said:

Nigel person said in a pre-match press conference that Alex Scott was injured, then we find whilst the game was being played last night he is a Bournemouth having a medical,as stated by SSN , was he lying to the fans, 

No, Scott had a knee injury last week that required a scan, it was only a knock, but was checked due to swelling.

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I get the feeling the Nige thought the longer it went on Alex would be here , hence being heavily involved in pre season games etc , we all sort of new it was inevitable but as kick off approached I think we all had a sneaky hope , Nige included .

if he is going get it done today please and we all move on 

as for the Harry Kane farce I’d be fuming if I was a Tottenham fan that has dragged on for nearly 15 months and they could be losing him 2 days before the season kicks off .

if you listened to talk sport this morning you would have thought the world had ended , absolutely embarrassing coverage Jim white is an absolute tool.

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20 minutes ago, redkev said:

I get the feeling the Nige thought the longer it went on Alex would be here , hence being heavily involved in pre season games etc , we all sort of new it was inevitable but as kick off approached I think we all had a sneaky hope , Nige included .

if he is going get it done today please and we all move on 

as for the Harry Kane farce I’d be fuming if I was a Tottenham fan that has dragged on for nearly 15 months and they could be losing him 2 days before the season kicks off .

if you listened to talk sport this morning you would have thought the world had ended , absolutely embarrassing coverage Jim white is an absolute tool.

Jim will be relieved then that "football starts again this weekend" ! ?

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39 minutes ago, Redtrojan said:

As others have said ,the truth around transfers is often fairly misty.

I think what will be more frustrating if it occurs is if the fee is undisclosed.Although selling once in a generation talent like Scott is possibly v short-sighted if we have any intentions of reaching the prem,I understand all the arguments that make it almost inevitable that we have to sell .However I suspect we accept it far better if he goes for the much talked about £25m ,when if fee is undisclosed it may be that the actual fee (with fabled add ons) could be as low as £12m or less ,Scott is no big name yet and with minimal interest,it may well be we settle at a much lower fee.

Thst could explain NP’s surliness on the subject.As his war chest will be considerably smaller than anticipated.

Unfortunately we will probably never know.

 

 

Prepare to be frustrated, because it will be undisclosed. I can't remember the last time one of ours wasn't.

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1 hour ago, tin said:

Let’s hope you’re right. I don’t think Nige is a liar, so when he said he’s not sure what money - if any - he’ll get from this sale, I doubt we have any form of contingency plan in place unless it was  signing Knight and hoping Benarous returns to the level he was at when he got injured first time. 

We WILL have a contingency plan in place. Doesn't guarantee it will come off mind!! Saturday showed that we still have the potential to struggle against the Preston's of this world - that's too many points to throw away. We could always ask every club to come down and play a nice open and slightly disorganised game for us instead!! I also reckon the CEO will know down to the last penny what Pearson will be able to spend.

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1 hour ago, Redtrojan said:

As others have said ,the truth around transfers is often fairly misty.

I think what will be more frustrating if it occurs is if the fee is undisclosed.Although selling once in a generation talent like Scott is possibly v short-sighted if we have any intentions of reaching the prem,I understand all the arguments that make it almost inevitable that we have to sell .However I suspect we accept it far better if he goes for the much talked about £25m ,when if fee is undisclosed it may be that the actual fee (with fabled add ons) could be as low as £12m or less ,Scott is no big name yet and with minimal interest,it may well be we settle at a much lower fee.

Thst could explain NP’s surliness on the subject.As his war chest will be considerably smaller than anticipated.

Unfortunately we will probably never know.

 

 

Totally agree., its very disappointing, if inevitable. We don't want to show our hands and let other clubs know exactly what we got for him as this will push up the fee of any potential new signings.  However, I'll be shocked if Scott stays a Bournemouth for very long. They are just a stepping stone for him and I sincerely hope we have a very large sell on clause, as I can see him being sold for £100MIL+ in 3-4 years time. 

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4 hours ago, Redandproud said:

Nigel person said in a pre-match press conference that Alex Scott was injured, then we find whilst the game was being played last night he is a Bournemouth having a medical,as stated by SSN , was he lying to the fans, 

Signing for Bournemouth and missing the first couple of games due to knee injury,

No he wasn't 

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5 minutes ago, DaveF said:

People are so desperate for their to be some sort of conspiracy or for Pearson to have lied, its pathetic.

TBF it`s not `people` it`s just one person who has decided to be outraged that NP didn`t announce to the world at large the details of the confidential dealings between BCFC and AFCB.

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36 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

We WILL have a contingency plan in place. Doesn't guarantee it will come off mind!! Saturday showed that we still have the potential to struggle against the Preston's of this world - that's too many points to throw away. We could always ask every club to come down and play a nice open and slightly disorganised game for us instead!! I also reckon the CEO will know down to the last penny what Pearson will be able to spend.

The balanxe od the midfield and this was linked to availability more than tactics was why we struggled v Preston or a reason anyway IMO but that's probably for another thread.

Hopefully we have a Plan A if Scott stayed and a Plan B with targets on a short and not so short list if he goes.

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