Merrick's Marvels Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 £4M is daft money. There has to be better value than that available. We're not going up or down this season so it might be prudent to wait until the summer rather than rush into a deal this month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidered abroad Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 8 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: £4M is daft money. There has to be better value than that available. We're not going up or down this season so it might be prudent to wait until the summer rather than rush into a deal this month. If the price is £4m, I agree that we should not spend that. However, I consider that we should recruit two or three now as the sixth spot in the final table appears to be wide open for one of about six or seven clubs. So well worth getting the additional squad members in now and giving it a good go for sixth. Even if we miss it by a couple of points, it will have brought real confidence and consistency to the squad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, DaveF said: Transfermkt is all just guess work isn't it? No idea pal. Says he's on £5k a week. I find that hard to believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 28 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: £4M is daft money. There has to be better value than that available. We're not going up or down this season so it might be prudent to wait until the summer rather than rush into a deal this month. Couldn’t agree more. This would be our 4th highest fee paid, at a time when making top six would be a real stretch. Far more logical to spend in the summer when you don’t get pressured by the madness of the January window. Also it is surely worth us looking outside the UK to get better value when we do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Couldn’t agree more. This would be our 4th highest fee paid, at a time when making top six would be a real stretch. Far more logical to spend in the summer when you don’t get pressured by the madness of the January window. Also it is surely worth us looking outside the UK to get better value when we do? What is our highest out of interest? Kalas, Diedhou, Massengo? All released for nada IIRC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: What is our highest out of interest? Kalas, Diedhou, Massengo? All released for nada IIRC. I think it was Kalas 8m, Fam 5m, Massengo 2m (we'll have got a few hundred thousand compo). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 22 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Couldn’t agree more. This would be our 4th highest fee paid, at a time when making top six would be a real stretch. Far more logical to spend in the summer when you don’t get pressured by the madness of the January window. Also it is surely worth us looking outside the UK to get better value when we do? Didn’t Nixon say he’d cost around 2 million? Imo he’d be worth that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: What is our highest out of interest? Kalas, Diedhou, Massengo? All released for nada IIRC. Kalas, Diedhiou, Wells. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 hours ago, Dan11 said: Twine is a player that I struggle to decipher if he's any good or not - as a top Championship player anyway. We've played against him 3 times (twice at MK and once for Hull) and other than the sharp intake of breath when he stepped up to take a free kick around the box, you've left the game not being able to pinpoint what he did. Manning did really seem to find a way of utilising him at MK and getting him shooting positions outside box, he scored some outrageous goals that season. L1/Championship have very different physical/intensity requirements though, which is where I would have question marks. I think Burnley had their pants pulled down at £4m. He hasn’t played against us 3 times?? Only once, for Hull. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 10 minutes ago, Harry said: He hasn’t played against us 3 times?? Only once, for Hull. Played both games this season, and once for Burnley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbytheriver Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 so in conclusion the general consensus of opnion is that Twine won't be pulling the strings for us in midfield anytime soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 32 minutes ago, GrahamC said: Kalas, Diedhiou, Wells. I'd forgotten about Nahki. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 minutes ago, Ska Junkie said: I'd forgotten about Nahki. I don’t think he was quite as much as portrayed, because of the Brownhill transfer. It suited both parties to reduce their fee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 19 minutes ago, Davefevs said: Played both games this season, and once for Burnley. Sorry. I meant for MK. Which the guy mentioned. Yeah, I actually forgot he played in the Hull game at the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 11 minutes ago, Harry said: Sorry. I meant for MK. Which the guy mentioned. Yeah, I actually forgot he played in the Hull game at the start of the season. I believe the guys an Ipswich fan which probably explains the confusion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 46 minutes ago, Harry said: He hasn’t played against us 3 times?? Only once, for Hull. He has, but twice for Hull & once for Burnley, not MK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 22 hours ago, Finley_Smith10 said: Tbf tho, if they don’t go up this season they have to replace most of their attacking players. Exactly this. I always feel that going loan-heavy is a pretty high risk strategy. We complain about losing our best few players at the end of the season for tens of millions of pounds. Hull will be losing their best few players at the end of the season for a grand total of £0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: I believe the guys an Ipswich fan which probably explains the confusion. Ah ok. That explains it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Supersonic Robin said: Exactly this. I always feel that going loan-heavy is a pretty high risk strategy. We complain about losing our best few players at the end of the season for tens of millions of pounds. Hull will be losing their best few players at the end of the season for a grand total of £0. Not necessarily. If it goes well some may see loans again at a higher level, or the option to buy in 1 or 2 cases if it pays off and Hull win the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Hull win the playoffs What chance would Hull ever have of winning a play off … 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) On 08/01/2024 at 22:23, petehinton said: Carvalho is an insane signing. But don’t worry, our squad is truly what a top 6 squad looks like. That's a bit like Eric Morcombes(for the oldies) saying "all the right notes but in the wrong order" Edited January 9 by bpexile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 10 hours ago, GrahamC said: Cue “stringing us along” pun at some point… "Knot" going to get caught up in these puns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, bpexile said: That's a bit like Eric Morcombes(for the oldies) saying "all the right notes but in the wrong order" Just to give it its full beauty: “I’m playing all the right notes… but not necessarily in the right order”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvey86 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 4 hours ago, Major Isewater said: What chance would Hull ever have of winning a play off … Too soon. It’s still too soon 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie BCFC Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 On 08/01/2024 at 17:59, The Bard said: Delap is massively overrated. Man City hoping he hits a patch and someone bungs them £10 million I reckon. Struggled on his loans last season but at Hull he’s been very good I think. Not sure he’ll make it at Man City but think he has the potential to be a Premier League player definitely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 9 hours ago, Charlie BCFC said: Struggled on his loans last season but at Hull he’s been very good I think. Not sure he’ll make it at Man City but think he has the potential to be a Premier League player definitely Am I bovered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 18 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Not necessarily. If it goes well some may see loans again at a higher level, or the option to buy in 1 or 2 cases if it pays off and Hull win the playoffs. In which case you have to pay a notable fee (be that a loan fee or a transfer fee) in order to simply retain the same squad as you had last season. Take us with Kalas, Dasilva, and Palmer as an example. We spent around £14m just to keep the same players that we'd had on loan (and had to sell our best player, Webster, to fund it). As we found out, going heavy on loans can be extremely expensive and make it very difficult to make sustainable progress (assuming you don't get over the line first time) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 13 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: In which case you have to pay a notable fee (be that a loan fee or a transfer fee) in order to simply retain the same squad as you had last season. Take us with Kalas, Dasilva, and Palmer as an example. We spent around £14m just to keep the same players that we'd had on loan (and had to sell our best player, Webster, to fund it). As we found out, going heavy on loans can be extremely expensive and make it very difficult to make sustainable progress (assuming you don't get over the line first time) The £100m in extra TV money plus £22m in extra FFP headroom less accumulated losses from the last tier can make it a bit of a risk worth taking. Hull win the playoffs, Liverpool may decide on continuity, PL Hull could be a good place. Ditto Delap. Twine not sure they'd go for at PL anyway..they would look to spend and tap the Turkish market too I imagine- owner is Turkish so might have his connections to steal a march. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distortia Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Out of the loop here - why is he (allegedly) leaving Hull early? Isn't his loan there until the summer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 11 minutes ago, Distortia said: Out of the loop here - why is he (allegedly) leaving Hull early? Isn't his loan there until the summer? If he isn't in Burnley's plans and they can cash in now, they'd probaly look to take the highest bidder. Maybe we could stretch to more fee wise than Hull as it stands. Nothing has changed though, then it can also come from to the nature of the loan agreement- recall clause or not that kinda thing. Karlan Grant lacks one for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westonred Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Tom Collomosse @TomCollomosse · 6m NEW: Bristol City keeping an eye on the situation of Scott Twine. Twine on loan at Hull from Burnley. He worked with Bristol City boss Liam Manning at MK Dons and it would be no surprise if the pair linked up again one day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 6 hours ago, Distortia said: Out of the loop here - why is he (allegedly) leaving Hull early? Isn't his loan there until the summer? So was Finn Azaz’s at Plymouth.. As has been stated if Burnley want to sell then can recall him & then sell him to us. Exactly what they did when Nahki Wells was at QPR 4 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 21 minutes ago, westonred said: Tom Collomosse @TomCollomosse · 6m NEW: Bristol City keeping an eye on the situation of Scott Twine. Twine on loan at Hull from Burnley. He worked with Bristol City boss Liam Manning at MK Dons and it would be no surprise if the pair linked up again one day. I’m really not fussed about this one either way. Think there are better deals out there personally. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 minutes ago, GrahamC said: So was Finn Azaz’s at Plymouth.. As has been stated if Burnley want to sell then can recall him & then sell him to us. Exactly what they did when Nahki Wells was at QPR 4 years ago. Where's Mark Ashton when you need him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finley_Smith10 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 44 minutes ago, Lew-T said: I’m really not fussed about this one either way. Think there are better deals out there personally. I think he’d be perfect for us. And a free kick taker which in my opinion we haven’t had a proper specialist since Paterson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 No ITK at all, but just have a real hunch that he‘ll join us this window. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRedRobin Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 minutes ago, petehinton said: No ITK at all, but just have a real hunch that he‘ll join us this window. Yeah, I'm thinking the same. I would really like this deal I can see the positives and negatives of it but I really think this would be a great deal to pull off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 I am just surmising here but the Tweet is a bit broad and vague isn't it. "One day"...could mean the summer, could mean two years hence, could even be at another club! Or it could mean tomorrow and here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Want this to happen, and can definitely see it happening. Means Knight can pay a bit deeper, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Lew-T said: I’m really not fussed about this one either way. Think there are better deals out there personally. Such as? What sort of fee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 According to FotMob, Twine has created 45 chances in the Championship this season, 20 more than the nearest City player Taylor Gardner Hickman on 25. Manager widely acknowledged that currently we lack creativity, the signing of the Burnley midfielder (who LM has worked with previously) could help improve that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-scott-twine-burnley-9026651 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC31 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) Looks like we are interested in twine but burnley want 5m, which I think is ridiculous for a player who has absolutely no future there. He has only really had his best season at leauge one level, if I was city I wouldn't go above 2.5m for him giving he is a good player clearly and only 24. Maybe one to revisit in the summer I'd imagine, I do really like our targets though, let's just hope we can speed things up and get the final peice to the puzzle sooner rather then later. Edited January 11 by BCFC31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 We are not signing him for 5 million. Not a chance. I’d rather not sign anyone than get ripped off completely. I’ve not much hope this window, so when inevitably it is a poor one, disappointment won’t be too high. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Glad we aren’t going all guns blazing on that, 5mil is way to steep imo. 3 and under and then there’s a conversation to be had but we could make two other quality signings with 5 million. Correct decision I think. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 23 minutes ago, petehinton said: https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-scott-twine-burnley-9026651 And there we are. Could/should have had him years ago before his profile risen. Next. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Would a loan with option to buy be possible? Either way, the price is currently to high for us surely. The only way i could see the price coming down a bit is if Burnley go down but then they might choose to keep him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC31 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Jose said: We are not signing him for 5 million. Not a chance. I’d rather not sign anyone than get ripped off completely. I’ve not much hope this window, so when inevitably it is a poor one, disappointment won’t be too high. I agree I'm desperate as much as anyone to get some business done but that's just greed from bunely the club can't just be ripped off sod that Edited January 11 by BCFC31 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James54De Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Certainly not at 5 million, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Why confused @GrahamC? It made sense to me but then i haven't long woken up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 16 minutes ago, Gazred said: Why confused @GrahamC? It made sense to me but then i haven't long woken up! 1. He’s already on loan somewhere else. Why would Burnley recall him? 2. How could it be “a loan to buy” as we think the £5m fee being reported is far too much & clearly won’t pay it? We would only bring him here in those circumstances if like TGH, there is an agreed fee, which if it was the case would suggest a permanent deal could be done now, so no need for a loan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I think he’d improve us but also think we can do better if patient. Not sure he’d get us top 6 this season. Basically not sure he’d be a star player which is what I think we need. I’d wait until the summer. Maybe can get Twine cheaper AND another big player. I would not push it right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 I‘m probably Twine’s biggest fan on here. And as much as I really like him and would love him here, there’s no way I pay £5m for him. Particularly as I’d have got him for nothing 3 years ago!! In fact, I would be utterly embarrassed for us if we now spend £5 on him!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, GrahamC said: 1. He’s already on loan somewhere else. Why would Burnley recall him? 2. How could it be “a loan to buy” as we think the £5m fee being reported is far too much & clearly won’t pay it? We would only bring him here in those circumstances if like TGH, there is an agreed fee, which if it was the case would suggest a permanent deal could be done now, so no need for a loan. 1. So they could sell him. As far as i know he is only on loan to Hull with no agreed price to buy in the summer. 2. Is it not possible to negotiate a better price then and have a TGH deal in place or is the press talk of £5m gospel and set in stone? By your logic of "if there is an agreed fee then we could buy him now, no need for a loan", then why didn't we do that with TGH in the summer? Perhaps we might have more cash available this summer when several of our senior players are out of contract than we do now. You might not agree but it's hardly confusing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 25 minutes ago, Harry said: I‘m probably Twine’s biggest fan on here. And as much as I really like him and would love him here, there’s no way I pay £5m for him. Particularly as I’d have got him for nothing 3 years ago!! In fact, I would be utterly embarrassed for us if we now spend £5 on him!! As embarrassed as Bournemouth were over Alex Scott? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRoss Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: As embarrassed as Bournemouth were over Alex Scott? Exactly, no need for ego in the business. All this should/could/would of talk. Every club misses talent right under their noses. That being said he's not worth 5 million. Half of that maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 30 minutes ago, RedRoss said: Exactly, no need for ego in the business. All this should/could/would of talk. Every club misses talent right under their noses. That being said he's not worth 5 million. Half of that maybe. Agree, people on here claiming we should of got him years ago play too much fm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 35 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: As embarrassed as Bournemouth were over Alex Scott? I think Scott was at Bournemouth when he was 13 or something. I think it’s a different kind of embarrassment when we’re talking about a 20/21 year old with a clear body of work in the professional adult game who is on a free but you then think about spending £5m 3 years later. Plus there’s the big difference of huge Premier League money swashing around at Bournemouth. So I think 2 very different levels on these examples. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, johnheadbcfc said: Agree, people on here claiming we should of got him years ago play too much fm Nonsense. I watched him live numerous times. Not on FM. You can scroll back to literally tens and tens of posts I made about him back when he was in league 2 and available for free. At a time when we were clearly looking at cutting costs and fees, so him being on a free and local was an ideal opportunity given our circumstances and needs. So no, I refute the FM allegation. I’ve seen him play about 25 times. 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gazred said: 1. So they could sell him. As far as i know he is only on loan to Hull with no agreed price to buy in the summer. 2. Is it not possible to negotiate a better price then and have a TGH deal in place or is the press talk of £5m gospel and set in stone? By your logic of "if there is an agreed fee then we could buy him now, no need for a loan", then why didn't we do that with TGH in the summer? Perhaps we might have more cash available this summer when several of our senior players are out of contract than we do now. You might not agree but it's hardly confusing. I think they would sell him, but at their price, not ours. If we don’t come up with it, he stays at Hull. I cannot see why they would cancel the loan if we won’t pay what they want & if we do he’s here permanently, surely? That’s my confusion with your point. My hunch with TGH was the board were keeping things very tight financially for Pearson so he got £700k for the loan but no guarantee of anything else. Maybe we also needed convincing that he was worth £2m? Seems that the narrative of the budget being used up is no longer strictly the case. Edited January 11 by GrahamC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, Harry said: Nonsense. I watched him live numerous times. Not on FM. You can scroll back to literally tens and tens of posts I made about him back when he was in league 2 and available for free. At a time when we were clearly looking at cutting costs and fees, so him being on a free and local was an ideal opportunity given our circumstances and needs. So no, I refute the FM allegation. I’ve seen him play about 25 times. Just think the pot of players that slip through the net is too vast to blame the club. Posters in here would have probably lost their shit at us signing non league players a few years back. Calm down Harry we all love abit of fm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Harry said: I think Scott was at Bournemouth when he was 13 or something. I think it’s a different kind of embarrassment when we’re talking about a 20/21 year old with a clear body of work in the professional adult game who is on a free but you then think about spending £5m 3 years later. Plus there’s the big difference of huge Premier League money swashing around at Bournemouth. So I think 2 very different levels on these examples. Yes I know Harry, it was a bit tongue in cheek. I can imagine it must be very frustrating for you after the time you spent on him. Do you think he would have suited our previous Managers as much as our current one? Just wondering if we would have had the patience for him to grow into his talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petehinton Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 4 minutes ago, Harry said: I think Scott was at Bournemouth when he was 13 or something. I think it’s a different kind of embarrassment when we’re talking about a 20/21 year old with a clear body of work in the professional adult game who is on a free but you then think about spending £5m 3 years later. Plus there’s the big difference of huge Premier League money swashing around at Bournemouth. So I think 2 very different levels on these examples. Think I said on here before, but a mate of mine (now at Bath, was at Chippenham with when he was….can probably connect the dots) and he (and others in the squad probably) literally couldn’t believe he was playing at that level & couldn’t get a club higher up, despite trying very hard for trials & peopke in the area knowing his quality. Stinks of the “we will only start being interested if someone else thinks he’s good first” mentality we have for most young local players 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, johnheadbcfc said: Just think the pot of players that slip through the net is too vast to blame the club. Posters in here would have probably lost their shit at us signing non league players a few years back. Calm down Harry we all love abit of fm True. Plenty are missed by plenty of clubs. But this one wasn’t ‘missed’ in the true sense of the word. He was ignored. That’s my beef. It wasn’t that we weren’t aware or were too late to the party. We knew all about him but purposely chose not to do it. To me that’s different to missing out. It’s a calculated decision. A decision that could end up costing us £5m 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnheadbcfc Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, Harry said: True. Plenty are missed by plenty of clubs. But this one wasn’t ‘missed’ in the true sense of the word. He was ignored. That’s my beef. It wasn’t that we weren’t aware or were too late to the party. We knew all about him but purposely chose not to do it. To me that’s different to missing out. It’s a calculated decision. A decision that could end up costing us £5m Yeah know what your saying atleast it wasn't 70mil on pogba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, johnheadbcfc said: Yeah know what your saying atleast it wasn't 70mil on pogba Ha ha, true. If he goes elsewhere for £5m I won’t particularly care. But if City sign him for £5m (via the same recruitment team in place) then I think it’s embarrassing. Saying all that though - I don’t actually think we do spend that on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 minute ago, johnheadbcfc said: Just think the pot of players that slip through the net is too vast to blame the club. Posters in here would have probably lost their shit at us signing non league players a few years back. Calm down Harry we all love abit of fm I think the issue is: what is the critical analysis undertaken by the City’s Recruitment team for: A) players recommended by whatever route, subsequently not taken up by City, who then subsequently prove themselves to be good, and now would cost you £x million to buy e.g. Twine, Rudoni B) players that you did buy, but turned out badly (for whatever reason) e.g. Walsh, Wilson I haven’t played FM for 10 years plus either. Twine was a “miss” by City. He was also a miss for 23 other Championship teams at £300k compensation. You’ll never get it spot-on, but we need to lessen the “misses”. Some on here saw Twine at Chippenham, I saw him at Newport. We were on him early from watching him. Rudoni likewise. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazred Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, GrahamC said: I think they would sell him, but at their price, not ours. If we don’t come up with it, he stays at Hull. I cannot see why they would cancel the loan if we won’t pay what they want & if we do he’s here permanently, surely? That’s my confusion with your point. My hunch with TGH as the board were keeping things very tight financially for Pearson so he got £700k for the loan but no guarantee of anything else. Maybe we needed convincing that he was worth £2m? Seems that the narrative of the budget being used up is no longer strictly the case. Thanks for clarifying and i agree in the main with your points. I suppose what i'm saying is, if they think they can get rid on a perm deal they will and that would be the reason for a recall and potentially sending him back out. I don't think anyone will pay £5m for him and that's the sticking point. Do we have a budget for a transfer like that today, i don't think we do. We have some more funds but not to that level. I do think we will be better placed to make a more costly signing(s) in the summer once wages have been freed up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Twine was on our door step & seems a shame that we didn’t respond to that fact coupled with recommendations. However, we always hear about the ones that got away but what about those that were also recommended whose careers bombed after the recommendation thus avoiding us wasting money. Twine seems on parallel with gamblers who only ever tell you about their wins. I’m genuinely interested in the % of players who were recommended & went on to flourish against the total pool of all recommendations as no idea personally? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 30 minutes ago, Harry said: Nonsense. I watched him live numerous times. Not on FM. You can scroll back to literally tens and tens of posts I made about him back when he was in league 2 and available for free. At a time when we were clearly looking at cutting costs and fees, so him being on a free and local was an ideal opportunity given our circumstances and needs. So no, I refute the FM allegation. I’ve seen him play about 25 times. The thing is we see a lot of people talk up players only for those players to go on to not do much, the whole "could have got him for less back when" discussion means nothing really because it's pure "what if" as he could have joined us back then and not developed for numerous reasons. Someone else could have got Alex Scott but maybe without our solid youth focus he may have not developed into the player he is today. I hate the whole "we should have got him back then" argument, too many factors and if it was obvious there was a real talent and that he was interested I think a lot more clubs would have got involved back then. I think our youth system has a good eye for when they can bring a player in and develop them and the earlier you bring in a player the more work you'll have to do, for all we know we looked at him and said "he's too raw, we don't have the time to invest" whereas the route he took they did have that time. All of that aside it's now and here that matters, we didn't sign him and if the price is £5m and the club feel that is too steep then that's the situation and we need to look elsewhere. I feel the club better knows it's financial limits than any of us fans do and are in a better place to make a decision on whether he's worth it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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