Street red Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 5 minutes ago, transfer reader said: Think that's poor writing from the post. I believe it's trying to say it's not the same as the TGH one which did have a loan to buy agreement. Thank you it wasn't me being dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 5 minutes ago, mozo said: Oh you're one of those separate forum for arguments betwetters are you?! Go on, justify that you woke, happy clapper! Not particularly, just sick of reading their petty shite on a thread supposedly about a new player. Love and kisses Karen ( the most non PC bedwetter ever). Edited January 15 by Ska Junkie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGBjammy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Can't wait for him to have an absolutely incredible loan spell, we sign him on a permanent deal for big bucks, and then his form goes to shit and everyone says he was a waste of money 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 43 minutes ago, Sir Geoff said: Do you expect all the clubs above us to not pick up any points and just allow us to leapfrog over them. I am delighted and disgusted with this signing. The board are hypocrites, and have now sanctioned the signing of a player who could get us into the playoffs. I for one won't be stepping inside Ashton Gate until the Lansdowns have gone, but can't wait to take my seat tomorrow night. 2 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Wow - this thread got mental. Am i allowed to be pleased he has joined? TBH i couldnt give a toss if it costs the club a few quid - just give me entertaining football and if this lad is the spark - bring it on 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shauntaylor85 Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, YGBjammy said: Can't wait for him to have an absolutely incredible loan spell, we sign him on a permanent deal for big bucks, and then his form goes to shit and everyone says he was a waste of money Lee Tomlin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 34 minutes ago, red panda said: Really pleased with this, but OTIB is excelling itself tonight. I think we've collectively forgotten what a loan means. I don't recall it being a problem that we didn't have an option on Tammy, or lots of other players we've had on loan in the past. And as for all the negative speculation about ulterior motives, desperation, etc - just get over yourselves. We've signed a good player. Even if we only have him for the rest of this seaons, it's a step forward. I’ve got no problem with the speculation behind the motives behind the loan. Depending on your view of previous decisions on management changes the hierarchy have made you can argue why the current owners need make their recruitment decision work and will move away from the academy pathway and essentially cover another club’s wage bill. I’m disappointed that there is not seemingly some sort of clause behind the scenes to at least provide an option at the end of the season, on pure loans, I’m more aligned with Pearson’s view about them in that all we are doing is developing another team’s youngster to the detriment of others we might have in the building. For all his coaching reputation our new head coach does not seem overly interested in our academy other than to fill the bench. On the other hand I’m also more than happy to be entertained and get a modicum of enjoyment from the rest of the season so perhaps our new man might be the catalyst for that. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, Shauntaylor85 said: Lee Tomlin I’ll raise you Tony Dinning… 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Ghost Rider said: I can't believe how unreasonable our fans are! They are completely overreacting to Twine's signing. He is a quality player for us, but they are throwing a tantrum about it. We complain about lack of progression, but then we complain when we sign players who will help us improve, just because we don't have an option to buy. I have never seen the fans make such a fuss about not having the option to buy before. It makes no sense. Maybe other options are not available, so we have gone with the best option to cover us until the summer? I am fed up with our supporters getting hysterical at every turn. It's like the Lansdowns have come into your house and taken your money for this signing. I am really sick of our whiny entitled supporters. We sound like spoiled kids who are angry because they didn't get a game with their PlayStation 5. It's not really progress if we're forced to give him back at the end of the season, is it? If Twine looks like a top Championship player over the next 6 months, we won't get to keep him. If Twine doesn't have an impact over the next 6 months, we won't want to keep him. So what position are we in come summer? The same position we're in now, minus whatever fees we've paid to take Twine on loan, and having invested a few months of development in someone else's player rather than one of our own players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 We have swapped Weimann, who isn't a fit for the way we want to play, for Twine, who is. Probably for around the same outlay in terms of loan fee/wages. It seems like Burnley want more than he's generally thought to be worth, so it doesn't seem that he was ever a sensible permanent signing if that is the case. What we have done is improve the squad for now. We can then focus on the market in the summer when we have much better chance of getting value. Welcome Scott. Mods: This is still a signing so shouldn't this be moved to the main forum? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinmans Love Child Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 More importantly what's his chant going to be? Red red Twine You've gone to my head Don't let me forget That I love you so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said: It's not really progress if we're forced to give him back at the end of the season, is it? If Twine looks like a top Championship player over the next 6 months, we won't get to keep him. If Twine doesn't have an impact over the next 6 months, we won't want to keep him. So what position are we in come summer? The same position we're in now, minus whatever fees we've paid to take Twine on loan, and having invested a few months of development in someone else's player rather than one of our own players. On a bizarre basis, the “best” result for us may be Twine not performing well for the rest of the season (my feeling is that how he performs won’t make a huge difference to if LM wants him permanently in the summer as he knows him well enough already). As noted, barring some bizarre turns, we aren’t going up or down so ST being “indifferent” probably doesn’t impact that. If he is, then it’s unlikely others will be interested and the price will remain depressed. So, the best long term result may be a solid but unspectacular loan spell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, Ghost Rider said: I am fed up with our supporters getting hysterical at every turn. It's like the Lansdowns have come into your house and taken your money for this signing. I am really sick of our whiny entitled supporters. We sound like spoiled kids who are angry because they didn't get a game with their PlayStation 5. Best you stay off the forum, it clearly won’t do your blood pressure any good. Thankfully this place is not a church with people singing off the same hymn sheet as that frankly would be very dull. Other than a bit of stirring from the usual accounts most of the debate on this thread has been reasoned even if you don’t agree with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 12 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Wow - this thread got mental. Am i allowed to be pleased he has joined? TBH i couldnt give a toss if it costs the club a few quid - just give me entertaining football and if this lad is the spark - bring it on There's a lot of fog on the Twine deal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexhill reds Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said: What happens if we make the Premier League? Having watched the Birmingham, Millwall and Preston games of late that level of optimism can only come from some decent class A.. I have whatever you’re having 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgy Red Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 14 minutes ago, TonyTonyTony said: Wow - this thread got mental. Am i allowed to be pleased he has joined? TBH i couldnt give a toss if it costs the club a few quid - just give me entertaining football and if this lad is the spark - bring it on Hallelujah Tony 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, johnheadbcfc said: The agreement does not include an option to buy, as was the case with Taylor Gardner-Hickman's loan from West Brom, but there is a confidence that if the 24-year-old proves a success a more long-term resolution can be reached, albeit with the security such a clause would provide. from bristol post, hopefully we have atleast a gentleman's agreement over price. I reckon that quote might magically change in the next few minutes! Mr Piercy missed 3 letters out. It will change the context! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said: On a bizarre basis, the “best” result for us may be Twine not performing well for the rest of the season (my feeling is that how he performs won’t make a huge difference to if LM wants him permanently in the summer as he knows him well enough already). As noted, barring some bizarre turns, we aren’t going up or down so ST being “indifferent” probably doesn’t impact that. If he is, then it’s unlikely others will be interested and the price will remain depressed. So, the best long term result may be a solid but unspectacular loan spell. I was thinking similar things actually. The best strategy from here is if Twine can use training sessions to show Manning he'll be world class for us, but then make a conscious effort to play absolutely f****** awfully for the rest of the season and drive his price as low as possible. We'll then pick him up permanently for £1m at the end of the season and Manning can tell him to start playing well again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Robin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, Ghost Rider said: “It's not really progress if we're forced to give him back at the end of the season, is it?” - What happens if we make the Premier League? Lots of ifs………… Sure, but those are some bloody big ifs for a team in 14th who haven't looked anywhere near being a promotion contender this season....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 i liked this bit on the bbc page. Twine said: "As a team I'd like to finish as high as possible in the table and personally I want to score and create as many goals as I can." as high as possible tins must have said 'whatever you do,dont mention top six' 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 57 minutes ago, bcfc01 said: But its his view as well. As you and others have said more than once, its a forum for views and opinions. Not everyone is able to articulate their views as well as some others (not that I'm saying the person in question is unable to do that). It’s not an opinion on the subject matter is it, really? It’s a dig at the posters. You’ve seen enough similar posts on this thread tonight, it doesn’t help does it? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagon Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 It’s extremely unlikely that when TGH was brought here on loan that making it permanent was dependent on Weimann going on loan to WBA in January. As it happens, this is what has accelerated the deal meaning we’ve gained a player permanently that was always here until at least end of season anyway but then lost a definite match day player, after TGH has done very well with us to earn it. So I’m thinking isn’t most of the Twine wage offset by Weimann at this stage? It was always likely we would be taking TGH and this would have been already factored in. But with Weimann going now we needed someone decent to come in, proven and match day ready at this level, at a similar position - Twine is that and hopefully better than what we’ve lost. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Street red Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 43 minutes ago, Sir Colby-Tit said: I am delighted and disgusted with this signing. The board are hypocrites, and have now sanctioned the signing of a player who could get us into the playoffs. I for one won't be stepping inside Ashton Gate until the Lansdowns have gone, but can't wait to take my seat tomorrow night. Your seat? On the sofa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumpylegs Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 This is a decent loan. Think Twine is the type of player we need to give Tommy the goal scoring opportunities he’s been starved of in recent games. This will help Tommy’s development and show us how far along he really is! Be interesting to see how the system is tweaked to accommodate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 54 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I think there are pros and cons to the deal. You can ask, but nobody on here is gonna share it. My gut feel (you can take it or leave it) is that it will be a sensible fee, but I’m trying to put 2+2 together and guessing so not saying “I know” because I don’t. I think if it was a stupid loan fee we wouldn’t have even done the loan. I can see the same logic with the transfer fee. Burnley want too much for us to commit, so we’ve said no. I have no problem with us saying “no”. I’d rather not return to MA days of being bullied (fooled) by Chelsea. Sensible. Posts don’t have to point score do they? @Davefevs to all questions that you don't know about City, just refer the posters to Ian Gay. I think he has an answer for just about anything to do with City at the moment on Social Media. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 How much did they pay him to say he liked the kit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Severn Beach Pigeon Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Lrrr said: How much did they pay him to say he liked the kit? Can he not have his own opinion? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityexile Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Genuine question. An ‘option to buy’ sounds great, and has the advantage of a price presumably agreed which I can see is a big plus. Equally, it must need parties such as the player to finally agree? I suppose the point is if any player has an absolute blinder other clubs could bid more or at least offer a lot more in wages. Is that how it works? If so are we over egging the value of an option to buy anyway a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuffle Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: @Davefevs to all questions that you don't know about City, just refer the posters to Ian Gay. I think he has an answer for just about anything to do with City at the moment on Social Media. I thought he had the job recently vacated by Dave Barton as knows everything going on it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sh1t_ref_again Posted January 15 Popular Post Share Posted January 15 What a weird thead, most fans of clubs would be excited they will be soon watching a player that has one of the highest assist rates and can score some great goals by the look of the video's. Some use the fact we have been poor in the last 3 games as evidence we cannot reach the playoffs, yet upset we have brought in a player that might be able to open up the teams we struggle against. Others wetting the bed over it being a loan, without any knowledge of reasoning behind it or agreements in place. It seems at times more just to be able to knock BT / JL than a problem with loans, don't remember the same massive issue when we loaned Tammy. As for cost we have taken off AW wage and replaced by Twine, plus any other fees, so negligible. Its been stated on here lots we need a creative midfielder, but because we have not bought then its so say a bad deal, would you rather sign no one, or someone lesser but permanent, but no doubt these options would also be wrong. Maybe Burnley want to see what division they will be in before selling, perhaps at a price we are comfortable with. On the subject of loans, NP said the culture was not right at the club to bring in loans initially, also the club have not wanted to block young players pathways, but we don't seem to have that player ready to step up. Yes would have been great if 2.5m permanent, but I am just pleased we have a good player coming in which can only be good to watch, shame others can not get excited rather than seeing how negative they can be. 20 1 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUSSEL85 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 hours ago, mason said: Rather have Brownhill back myself Yeah but not on bloody loan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 This thread is crazy. Some posters are over 50 posts for today. Probably time to get some I just don't have the words to express how much I like this post!’s. I would say work in the morning but with 50+ posts maybe not! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IAmNick Posted January 15 Popular Post Share Posted January 15 Christ, I log on here expecting to see excitement but a load of you are moany old bastards when you want to be (sorry). It's not the perfect deal or whatever, no, but can we just allow ourselves a little enjoyment sometimes? I'm excited so screw the lot of you: 1. We keep talking about how Manning wants to implement his system more effectively. Well here is a player he knows, who clearly works in his system and will implement and elevate his ideas, and that can only help him and therefor the team out there. 2. Having quality players around will improve our other players - Tommy will hopefully get more chances, score more, learn more, and increase his confidence. There will be better interplay for players like Sykes and Mehmeti. Dickie and Vyner will get more chances from set pieces... This can only be a good thing even if it is temporary. 3. I watch every home game at AG. I watch every away game on Robins TV. It has, for the most part, been bloody PAINFUL watching this team for a large portion of a fair few years now. If we now have one more young, skilful, exciting player to watch then thank god for that, even if it is only for 6 months. 26 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Everyone screaming out for a goal scoring attacking midfielder signing….. It happens… NOT LIKE THAT! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 hours ago, Numero Uno said: Someone make this make sense...................... Difficult to make any sense of it as a longer-term deal and perhaps I’m grasping at straws NU but this might just offer a bit of a positive perspective, although without anything in writing it will count for zilch….’Scott Twine, Vincent Kompany’s first Burnley signing, has returned from his season long loan at Hull City to sign a loan deal with Bristol City, although a potential permanent move had been speculated and reported to be in the region of £2.5 million.’ Best case scenario perhaps is there is something formally agreed re a permanent move which includes a NDA at this time. Just maybe (and this is all me speculating trying to make some sense of it) as it depends if Burnley are relegated. Straws and grasping I suspect. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, IAmNick said: Christ, I log on here expecting to see excitement but a load of you are moany old bastards when you want to be (sorry). It's not the perfect deal or whatever, no, but can we just allow ourselves a little enjoyment sometimes? I'm excited so screw the lot of you: 1. We keep talking about how Manning wants to implement his system more effectively. Well here is a player he knows, who clearly works in his system and will implement and elevate his ideas, and that can only help him and therefor the team out there. 2. Having quality players around will improve our other players - Tommy will hopefully get more chances, score more, learn more, and increase his confidence. There will be better interplay for players like Sykes and Mehmeti. Dickie and Vyner will get more chances from set pieces... This can only be a good thing even if it is temporary. 3. I watch every home game at AG. I watch every away game on Robins TV. It has, for the most part, been bloody PAINFUL watching this team for a large portion of a fair few years now. If we now have one more young, skilful, exciting player to watch then thank god for that, even if it is only for 6 months. Exactly. Plus tomorrow we are home to West Ham, who are there for the taking, full house - on TV. Whats not to like? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerseybean Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 https://www.uptheclarets.com/twine-signs-on-loan-at-bristol-city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Exiled Robin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Red, red Twine Stay close to me Don't let me be alone He’s tearing apart Their blue blue heart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UncleRed Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: What a weird thead, most fans of clubs would be excited they will be soon watching a player that has one of the highest assist rates and can score some great goals by the look of the video's. Some use the fact we have been poor in the last 3 games as evidence we cannot reach the playoffs, yet upset we have brought in a player that might be able to open up the teams we struggle against. Others wetting the bed over it being a loan, without any knowledge of reasoning behind it or agreements in place. It seems at times more just to be able to knock BT / JL than a problem with loans, don't remember the same massive issue when we loaned Tammy. As for cost we have taken off AW wage and replaced by Twine, plus any other fees, so negligible. Its been stated on here lots we need a creative midfielder, but because we have not bought then its so say a bad deal, would you rather sign no one, or someone lesser but permanent, but no doubt these options would also be wrong. Maybe Burnley want to see what division they will be in before selling, perhaps at a price we are comfortable with. On the subject of loans, NP said the culture was not right at the club to bring in loans initially, also the club have not wanted to block young players pathways, but we don't seem to have that player ready to step up. Yes would have been great if 2.5m permanent, but I am just pleased we have a good player coming in which can only be good to watch, shame others can not get excited rather than seeing how negative they can be. 8 minutes ago, IAmNick said: Christ, I log on here expecting to see excitement but a load of you are moany old bastards when you want to be (sorry). It's not the perfect deal or whatever, no, but can we just allow ourselves a little enjoyment sometimes? I'm excited so screw the lot of you: 1. We keep talking about how Manning wants to implement his system more effectively. Well here is a player he knows, who clearly works in his system and will implement and elevate his ideas, and that can only help him and therefor the team out there. 2. Having quality players around will improve our other players - Tommy will hopefully get more chances, score more, learn more, and increase his confidence. There will be better interplay for players like Sykes and Mehmeti. Dickie and Vyner will get more chances from set pieces... This can only be a good thing even if it is temporary. 3. I watch every home game at AG. I watch every away game on Robins TV. It has, for the most part, been bloody PAINFUL watching this team for a large portion of a fair few years now. If we now have one more young, skilful, exciting player to watch then thank god for that, even if it is only for 6 months. Two spot on posts in my opinion. Probably seems like you’re stating the obvious, but you have to on here most of the time . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fjmcity Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) Just got to look at the premier league. 800m spent last January, admittedly skewed slightly by Chelsea but barely 25m spent this time and we are half way through. Chickens are coming home to roost and player “trading” will be the norm for a while. That being considered, this calibre of player being “traded” in is great business. Very happy Edited January 15 by Fjmcity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Good player. Look forward to watching him play. Shame it's not permanent. Think that covers it. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Good player. Look forward to watching him play. Shame it's not permanent. Think that covers it. What tune is this sung to? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 To be fair, I don't think I've seen one person criticise the move because they don't think he's a good player or that he won't improve us or make us better to watch. I think everyone is pretty much agreed on that. But anyone who doesn't have at least some nagging questions about the strategy at play here must be very trusting of those in charge, and I would argue more trusting than they've shown they merit in recent months. 11 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Welcome Scott. Overall a good signing. Obviously shouldn't sign players for frivolous reasons but a youngish creative type, going hand in hand with the sensible call to make TGH permanent feels positive. Not just on the pitch but also positive morale and can give everyone a lift. Plus, not paying £5m, seems reasonable. That would feel a bit of a backward step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 23 minutes ago, NcnsBcfc said: @Davefevs to all questions that you don't know about City, just refer the posters to Ian Gay. I think he has an answer for just about anything to do with City at the moment on Social Media. He’s busy writing two answers, ready to delete one! 15 minutes ago, cityexile said: Genuine question. An ‘option to buy’ sounds great, and has the advantage of a price presumably agreed which I can see is a big plus. Equally, it must need parties such as the player to finally agree? I suppose the point is if any player has an absolute blinder other clubs could bid more or at least offer a lot more in wages. Is that how it works? If so are we over egging the value of an option to buy anyway a bit? What often happens is that club and player have pretty much decided they want it to happen. But as you know lots can happen in footie, manager sacked in season, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 4 minutes ago, Fjmcity said: Just got to look at the premier league. 800m spent last January, admittedly skewed slightly by Chelsea but barely 25m spent this time and we are half way through. Chickens are coming home to roost and player “trading” will be the norm for a while. That being considered, this calibre of player being “traded” in is great business. Very happy I wonder if AFCON and Asia Cup has delayed / stopped some business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Junkie Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 9 minutes ago, The Exiled Robin said: Red, red Twine Stay close to me Don't let me be alone He’s tearing apart Their blue blue heart To fog on the Tyne- Lindisfarne Scotty Twine is all mine all mine (until the summer) Scotty Twine is all mine (until the summer) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Sorry, have I missed the paragraph of the announcement that says "Twine will only be with us for 6 months. We have no chance of signing him beyond that & don't want to"..? I thought it was fairly unusual when TGH's loan was confirmed with an option to buy, rather than it being "the norm" I wouldn't expect all loans to come with that agreement & wouldn't expect that to mean there was no chance of it becoming more permanent, if it works out well for all involved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunningdalered Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Sorry if this was raised 40 pages ago, but why would Burnley recall Scott from a season long loan, where he and the team are doing pretty well, to immediately send him out on another loan to a club that are mid-table at best? The most obvious reason is the greater prospect of a permanent deal at the end of the loan period with us, although this seems to be being played down by both parties. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, Northern Red said: But anyone who doesn't have at least some nagging questions about the strategy at play here must be very trusting of those in charge, and I would argue more trusting than they've shown they merit in recent months. In regards to the “strategy” in play here - newsflash - we haven't had a clear one in years and so it continues. We know the bullshitters in charge are, well - bullshitters. Nobody believed the top 6 squad nonsense. It was a vehicle to get rid of Pearson and we all know this. All the crap we heard about the budget being maxed out and loans are not the way forward - clearly this is not true. So i say **** the board and enjoy this (potentially expensive) loanee. Id rather pay my wedge to watch this boy rip up the pitch. Im bored with the shite we witness pretty much every week. Entertain me FFS. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, sunningdalered said: Sorry if this was raised 40 pages ago, but why would Burnley recall Scott from a season long loan, where he and the team are doing pretty well, to immediately send him out on another loan to a club that are mid-table at best? The most obvious reason is the greater prospect of a permanent deal at the end of the loan period with us, although this seems to be being played down by both parties. Hull want to sign Benson and have signed Carvalho which would limit Twine game time I guess 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rs Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I still think this is good business, the only thing that annoys me a little is that Burnley seem almost guaranteed to come down. If Twine performs they way we are hoping him to I just can’t see a world in which Burnely would let him go! Either way whether it’s short or long hope his city career starts with a bang, haven’t seen us scored a free kick in donkeys years so fingers crossed! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednotblue Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Where does he fit in the system? At 10 and pushes Knight back in to the two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malago Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 14 minutes ago, George Rs said: I still think this is good business, the only thing that annoys me a little is that Burnley seem almost guaranteed to come down. If Twine performs they way we are hoping him to I just can’t see a world in which Burnely would let him go! Either way whether it’s short or long hope his city career starts with a bang, haven’t seen us scored a free kick in donkeys years so fingers 51 minutes ago, IAmNick said: Christ, I log on here expecting to see excitement but a load of you are moany old bastards when you want to be (sorry). It's not the perfect deal or whatever, no, but can we just allow ourselves a little enjoyment sometimes? I'm excited so screw the lot of you: 1. We keep talking about how Manning wants to implement his system more effectively. Well here is a player he knows, who clearly works in his system and will implement and elevate his ideas, and that can only help him and therefor the team out there. 2. Having quality players around will improve our other players - Tommy will hopefully get more chances, score more, learn more, and increase his confidence. There will be better interplay for players like Sykes and Mehmeti. Dickie and Vyner will get more chances from set pieces... This can only be a good thing even if it is temporary. 3. I watch every home game at AG. I watch every away game on Robins TV. It has, for the most part, been bloody PAINFUL watching this team for a large portion of a fair few years now. If we now have one more young, skilful, exciting player to watch then thank god for that, even if it is only for Edited January 15 by Malago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Skin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 48 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: I am just pleased we have a good player coming in which can only be good to watch 100%. It's getting really bizarre on here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Let’s just enjoy him whilst he’s here lads. Hopefully Burnley stay up somehow and we can get him perm in the summer if he does well here . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 53 minutes ago, Bar BS3 said: Sorry, have I missed the paragraph of the announcement that says "Twine will only be with us for 6 months. We have no chance of signing him beyond that & don't want to"..? I thought it was fairly unusual when TGH's loan was confirmed with an option to buy, rather than it being "the norm" I wouldn't expect all loans to come with that agreement & wouldn't expect that to mean there was no chance of it becoming more permanent, if it works out well for all involved. It isn’t common, but it was possibly a natural thing for City / Nige to want to do, bearing in mind what he said about loans. It is more common when a transfer is too late in a window to complete, so they go with the option or obligation to buy. I think City will have pushed for the option, but that requires both clubs to agree, and it appears as if they couldn’t. Personally I don’t think it makes any more or less likely to be done in the summer. I suspect Burnley will be driving a hard bargain then, especially if they go down and see Twine as a player to help them get back up. 41 minutes ago, sunningdalered said: Sorry if this was raised 40 pages ago, but why would Burnley recall Scott from a season long loan, where he and the team are doing pretty well, to immediately send him out on another loan to a club that are mid-table at best? The most obvious reason is the greater prospect of a permanent deal at the end of the loan period with us, although this seems to be being played down by both parties. They will have their reasons… 38 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Hull want to sign Benson and have signed Carvalho which would limit Twine game time I guess …and this might be one part of it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 hour ago, The Exiled Robin said: Red, red Twine Stay close to me Don't let me be alone He’s tearing apart Their blue blue heart UB40 lets do it, great song for Scotty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, Ghost Rider said: “It's not really progress if we're forced to give him back at the end of the season, is it?” - What happens if we make the Premier League? Lots of ifs………… I don't think thats really an "if" tbh. Edited January 15 by bcfc01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Reading the Burnley forums they are largely complementary about him. They say he lacks the pace or power to play wide and that 8 or 10 are his best positions. They say they have nobody in their team at present who can deliver a set piece like him. I see Manning playing him as a 10 with Knight playing a deeper role. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 I'm very much in the minority (possibly of one) but I remain sceptical about this signing of Twine, not being a fan of the loan system, particularly in January. I don't doubt he has abilities but I am concerned where he fits into the team, who he ousts to do so, and wonder about the long term strategy. As it currently stands this is not a loan to buy so what is his standing with Burnley and hence his mindset. He might feel he's playing for his future career, play wonderfully well, be the revelation we're waiting for and we do end up buying him, which is fine provided he doesn't morph into Tony Dinning. He could also have a devil may care attitude and be a major disappointment like so many before. Time will tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Perhaps we can already see murphy as the future in that role, but want someone here and now to allow him to settle in and train with, hence the loan. Seems a bit of a stretch to me, but who knows?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RollsRoyce Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Twine will offer the squad something different and is a great addition on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgrsimon Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 What about if he's the signing to stop us sleepwalking or even nosediving towards the relegation zone? The gap to the bottom 3/4 is a healthy one right now but last 3 league games have been poor and the next 5 are very tough. There's usually one team that sinks like a stone after Christmas. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoystonFoote'snephew Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, fgrsimon said: What about if he's the signing to stop us sleepwalking or even nosediving towards the relegation zone? The gap to the bottom 3/4 is a healthy one right now but last 3 league games have been poor and the next 5 are very tough. There's usually one team that sinks like a stone after Christmas. And often one who goes on an incredible run to the play offs. (well we can dream can't we) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Be good to hear Tinnions view on this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unan Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) 12 hours ago, Silvio Dante said: Nope, because if I’d have been there is no way we’d have done the deal. I believe Liam said that loans have their place if, for example, there is an academy player who may be ready shortly and you don’t want to block the pathway. Unless we have the next Scott Twine in six months this isn’t that. So, Liam, bearing in mind you know the player so don’t need a try before you buy, bearing in mind we need time for you to build so this can’t be a signing to get us over the line, can you explain how this loan fits in with any kind of logic? Looking at it from another angle, this loan could be a move to help the team adapt to Mannings vision. It's about mastering the play style he envisions, like how he want the wingers to overload, Conway's role in varying his positioning, the way he plans for the central midfielders to pivot etc etc, when Twine is playing as our CAM. This could give the team an extra half season to get comfortable and fluid in a system tailored to a specific style of play, better preparing us for when we bring in a similar player in the summer. I'm not saying this is the definitive reason, or even if it's the right approach, but it's an alternative perspective to consider. Edited January 16 by Marcus Aurelius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 8 hours ago, Davefevs said: I think City will have pushed for the option, but that requires both clubs to agree, and it appears as if they couldn’t. Personally I don’t think it makes any more or less likely to be done in the summer. I suspect Burnley will be driving a hard bargain then, especially if they go down and see Twine as a player to help them get back up. Yes, believe we wanted an option to buy, but Burnley wanted far too much. I think Burnley realise they have a pretty valuable asset at Championship level, and so we're never going to let him go "on the cheap" at a loss on the £4m they paid for him. After missing out on Azaz I think we felt we had to move on Twine, even if it wasn't our preferred type of deal. Otherwise we'd have been down to no's 3, 4....etc on the shopping list and my understanding is they were players that weren't proven at this level. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 5 hours ago, fgrsimon said: What about if he's the signing to stop us sleepwalking or even nosediving towards the relegation zone? The gap to the bottom 3/4 is a healthy one right now but last 3 league games have been poor and the next 5 are very tough. There's usually one team that sinks like a stone after Christmas. 46 points will be enough. 10 points from 19 games. Even the most pessimistic fan can’t think relegation is even remotely possible 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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